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It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:36 pm

Hey guys, this is something I would like to share with you. I never really had a doubt that it was indeed the "real" Michael at the 02 conference...and all the "That's not him, that's a double!" is just crazy..

1) The scars


2)Same smile, same teeth



3)The hands


4)And most importantly, the EYES!
I picked a few photos from the 02 event and lightened them up,
so now you're able to see his eyes.


Well, I hope this is enough proof.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Rach on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:41 pm

Ok I take offence to your "crazy" comment. I don't believe it was Michael at the O2 and neither do a lot of people but I don't feel we should be labeled in that manner.

I see you're a new member so I will just advise you as to the forum rules. Everyone is free to post as they see fit, but all we ask for is a bit of respect and if you don't agree with a certain topic simply move on.

If you have any problems with this or need to discuss further please PM me.

Rachel.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by emo_pinkt on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:41 pm

Of course it was Michael at the o2...I think that he was acting starnge on purpose..Some ppl will never believe that it was him...Oh well :)The o2 Character was Michael Jackson himself.


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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:45 pm

I didn't mean to offend anyone..
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by ishealive on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:46 pm

Well I personally like to see both sides, @wandulka thanks for posting this.
It does look like the real MJ and I never believed a double could look so like him and again this is just my opinion. I believe he had doubles that wore masks but they could never look like him no one has anyone that looks 100% like them.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by ishealive on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:47 pm

wandulka wrote:I didn't mean to offend anyone..


You didn't offend me Smile
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:48 pm

Thanks
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by MiaPaparazzi on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:51 pm

I don't mean this in a bad way, but the teeth look totally different to me. Just my 2 cents...
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:53 pm

I guess it depends on the way you smile
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by ishealive on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:57 pm

I don't think we'll all ever agree one way or the other!!!!
I think it's better just to agree to disagree on this one, maybe when MJ gets his a** back here we can ask him Wink
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by nlb on Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:59 pm

Rach wrote:Ok I take offence to your "crazy" comment. I don't believe it was Michael at the O2 and neither do a lot of people but I don't feel we should be labeled in that manner.

Thank you for this Rach!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Harleyblonde on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:14 pm

Wow wandulka, well done. You have really got me thinking, you have certainly looked into this deeply and you have got me rethinking. I have studied closely and the only difference that I notice at this time is in the 2nd lot of photo's his nostrils look different but maybe is wishful thinking that we want lots of mysteries as we want Michael to be alive. There is just something I cannot quite put my finger on with the difference though........ Very well done and well thought out.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by hungry on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:19 pm

I'm leaning toward the fact that it was a double at the O2 press conference to be completely honest. Although I think he looked the same as he always did, his mannerisms (and his voice) seemed off in my opinion.
Maybe it's because I haven't seen him in a while, who knows?
I watched a few videos of him dating back to June 10th (I think) from hollywoodtv on youtube, and I can assure you that his voice was not like that.
Just my opinion. Smile
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by neverlandprincess on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:27 pm

Yes it got me thinking too-when I first saw it something about it threw me-I just dont like looking at the film-liked the outfit-and the hair even if it wasnt real but something just looks off-maybe its the partial makeup tan. But thakns for the teeth comparison-and the lighting of the eyes! Couldnt see his eyes before and thats what bugged me. His smile looks differant but I think it is because earlier pics his lips are thinner-for whatever reason I dont care. He could be acting strange just because-hey man it had been 8 years!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Harleyblonde on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:33 pm

Am still undecided. Is this another one of the great mysteries of the world? How did they build the pyramids? Is there a Loch Ness monster? Was Marilyn munroe murdered? etc etc and now is was it MJ at O2?

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by annieisnotokey on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:35 pm

Harleyblonde wrote:Am still undecided. Is this another one of the great mysteries of the world? How did they build the pyramids? Is there a Loch Ness monster? Was Marilyn munroe murdered? etc etc and now is was it MJ at O2?


This is definitely a case for the X Files. lol!

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by J.J_loves_MJ on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:39 pm

wandulka wrote:Hey guys, this is something I would like to share with you. I never really had a doubt that it was indeed the "real" Michael at the 02 conference...and all the "That's not him, that's a double!" is just crazy..

1) The scars


2)Same smile, same teeth



3)The hands


4)And most importantly, the EYES!
I picked a few photos from the 02 event and lightened them up,
so now you're able to see his eyes.


Well, I hope this is enough proof.

Who is feeling offended? U gave proves to the non believers. The truth is never offensive. I never doubted that the 02 guy was Michael. With all his impersonators, Michael remains an unique person.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:40 pm

Wooow...Thanks Wandulka! I believe it's Michael at O2 as well! I actually have so many pictures to comapare and demostrate that the O2 guy is indeed Michael! (unfotunately I'm not very good to put pictures together )

I hope I don't offend anyone with my beliefs...I just feel guilty to think that Michael is the impersonator...You all should think that O2 guy might be Michael, and think how would he feel when he sees that his fans don't recognize him...poor soul...

I've seen and compared so many photos, and I promise I'll learn how to put them together to demosntrate that it's the same Michael since he was born untill the TII footage! Including the O2 guy!

The photos wandulka put on here are very good! I always look at the 3 scars on the right side of his face! And I find that scars from when he was little (here he just had the cheek scar) untill today when he has 3 scars!

And those scars appear in most of the pics that have been discussed here!

Please, who believe that Michael is the O2 guy, bring more proofs, so we can end with this mistery! And who don't, to proof the other way!

I don't want to offend anyone, once I also believed that O2 guy was a double or impersonator, but I did some research to be sure in what believe, and now I'm convinced he was Michael!

Remember we all have in common that we love Michael, we believe he's alive and we want him back!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by mjssoulmate on Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:48 pm

Thanks Wandulka,
I always thought it was Michael. Thanks for doing all this work. Great Job!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Baby on Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:01 pm

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:21 pm

I just want to add more photos to demonstrate that Wandulka is right!

If you don't see the scars I encourage you to copy the photos and zoom them! Sorry for not putting the photos together to be easier to compare, but I don't know how to do it!
I'll try to bring more evidence taken from photos in order to demonstrate that Michael was with us since he was 5 years old! And he never abandon us!

1. SCARS





















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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:23 pm

Baby wrote:
DreamsComeTrue wrote:
I hope I don't offend anyone with my beliefs...I just feel guilty to think that Michael is the impersonator...You all should think that O2 guy might be Michael, and think how would he feel when he sees that his fans don't recognize him...poor soul...


Well said DreamsComeTrue

This is my link of Proof
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/mj-little-finger-t1232.htm



Woow, thanks for the link! I saw this before and I was looking for it! Very good demonstration!
You just save me from searching the link!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by mjssoulmate on Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:25 pm

Yup, it's Michael alright. Always has been, always will be.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Baby on Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:55 pm

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Human_nature on Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:57 pm

Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day."


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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Harleyblonde on Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:57 pm

Just a thought but could it be possible to make it so that a double of a person has exactly the same scars as the real one? Just a thought-it shouldn't be too hard to cut someone so that they have a very similar scar and MJ would have been well aware of his scars. If you are going to use doubles and stage a hoax you do everything to the very last detail, scars,teeth fixed etc etc. He was a perfectionist with everything. Maybe am being silly but we have to think of every probability. You can change anything physically but is the mannerisms plus the fact that his skin looked so much younger/fresher than before. He positivly glowed and as much as we love him he hasn't seemed like this for a long time.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:05 pm

Human_nature wrote:Thank you very much and you're so right

I worked on a timeline picture , but here, we can see it's always Michael Wink

Maybe I will continue to do a timeline anyway, but this post is very very good Smile

And I didn't feel offended Wink

You should do the timeline! More proof, better! I just want to say I gathered so many photos, and I'm working right now at hands...position, mannerism,...(I'll dream only hands this night )

You must do the timeline, I'll help you to demonstrate That Michael is in most photos (98%)! I so wish to demonstrate this that I'm able to post all my 3000 photos in here! I'll do it if I must!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Human_nature on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:09 pm

Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day."


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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:18 pm

Harleyblonde wrote:Just a thought but could it be possible to make it so that a double of a person has exactly the same scars as the real one? Just a thought-it shouldn't be too hard to cut someone so that they have a very similar scar and MJ would have been well aware of his scars. If you are going to use doubles and stage a hoax you do everything to the very last detail, scars,teeth fixed etc etc. He was a perfectionist with everything. Maybe am being silly but we have to think of every probability. You can change anything physically but is the mannerisms plus the fact that his skin looked so much younger/fresher than before. He positivly glowed and as much as we love him he hasn't seemed like this for a long time.

Isn't easier to just believe that's Michael?

At first I though so too! 8 weeks ago, I read a thread abot the O2 guy and I was so excited to look out for proof...and I started to analize pics...and I was very sad when I realized that indeed he was Michael (back then I though that if is Michael at O2, the he's dead, and there is no hoax...but I don't believe that anymore)

I actually talked and analized photos with my BF and I asked him the same questions back then!

His skin is not that young, if you zoom his O2 photos you'll see that the scars from his nose are the same as in some other photos, plus that wig it's just terrible, the make up also, the light make up confuse...
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:22 pm

Human_nature wrote:@DreamsComesTrue

yes I will..and I wish I can post all my pictures too (ALOT) lol !
But well...I will try to do something clear, but without 3000 pics ROTF !


LMAO!!! With tears...

By the way, I like your favorite emoticon...always
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by CantStopLovingU on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:24 pm

The scars can be replicated, but the thumb, the thickness of the thumbs, and how they curve out cant be replicated. The O2 Michael had rather young looking hands and our Michael did not.

It is well known that people can have plastic surgery to make their faces look younger but the hands are always a give away.

Also, there is another picture of Michael from the same day that looks nothing like the O2 guy. The other MJ is much thinner, has a very skinny veined neck (and he isnt straining to do anything) so I still do not believe that the O2 guy was Michael.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by CantStopLovingU on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:27 pm

Please look carefully at the thumbs - you can clearly see how different they are in the pictures that were posted.

I have read other hand analysis on the web (i'll look for link but I think the link is on the home page of MJHD) that show the lines on the inside of the hands were no Michaels.

Michael had his hands imprinted in plaster I think, so that is what they used to do the analysis.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Harleyblonde on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm

Yes CantStopLovingU you are so right about the age of the hands being a givaway- we have to look into this more. Is a pity there is no expert amonst us, like someone in the police profession who can analyse expertly.
Apart from all this something tells me is not him, can't quite explain and of course even if it is him and we are wrong then all the better as it proves he was fit and healthy so would not rule out the hoax and would not prove him dead or otherwise. Michael has been very graceful and not sauntering at all ever so why change your manner of moving. Everyone is the same with their movement and it stays with them-I can tell who is moving in my house before I can even see them, some bound around clumsily and some glide very quietly which is how MJ was, we all have our manner and it doesn't change.
This whole thing is quite torturing, its like having a good book and the last few pages are missing.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by aamj07 on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:52 pm

Interesting photo comparisons with the scars, I had seen pics comparing his teeth, eyes, and hands but never the scars on his face...thank you for posting!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:53 pm

More proof....

2. HANDS

Sorry, but as young you see the face, his hands are not! Bye the way, look at this link: http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/mj-little-finger-t1232.htm Here Baby shows how Michael's little finger is the same in all photos, including the O2 photos!



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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by GirlSaturday on Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:25 pm

Is O2 guy MJ? I dunno. I am still mixed up whether he is or not.

The hand photos drew me in the most. First they look old and worn. Michael is 51 yet these hands look as if they belong to a much older man. Plus they look worn as if they are used for work.

I doubt that MJ washed dishes, worked in the yard doing any gardening or any other manual labor. A man like MJ cared about his looks and probably received manicures.

Something about the hands do not look right to me.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by mjthelegendlives on Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:11 pm

Wandulka thanks for posting.

Dreams come true..good job also!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by hasil on Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:46 pm

wow after seing this im losing hope super fast
i heard what his english body guard said about that day and now it looks really bad
whoever did the photos great job
( kinda like my ears post) a while back but i dont know how to paste pics together so yay you!!
thanks but its really sad...
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Human_nature on Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:57 pm

Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day."


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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:08 pm

Human_nature wrote:
hasil wrote:wow after seing this im losing hope super fast
i heard what his english body guard said about that day and now it looks really bad
whoever did the photos great job
( kinda like my ears post) a while back but i dont know how to paste pics together so yay you!!
thanks but its really sad...
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I don't understand why you think it's sad ?

Because he really look in good shape there ! And just acting probably Wink

he's a great actor you know Wink

That's what I've thought! I believe he acted that way just to create a illusion of sick Michael!
So people would say he will not be able to do that...and after the first concert (TII Movie), people will have their jaws on the floor when they will see how great he is and how good he moves...
It's just a contrast:

Sick Michael (acting)------TII------King of Pop, Best Enterteiner

As lower is the expectation....BIGGER THE SURPRISE!!!

You know Michael said: ¨I will let you see what I want you to see and when I want¨ (or something like that).

The MAN is a GENIUS!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by anotherpartofme on Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:36 pm

you're so right!!! good job... I can see now- it is Michael- in all photos
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by ziffes on Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:18 pm

im sure it was MJ at O2... just very skinny... Crying or Very sad
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Red Velvet on Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:30 am

wandulka wrote:Hey guys, this is something I would like to share with you. I never really had a doubt that it was indeed the "real" Michael at the 02 conference...and all the "That's not him, that's a double!" is just crazy..

1) The scars


2)Same smile, same teeth



3)The hands


4)And most importantly, the EYES!
I picked a few photos from the 02 event and lightened them up,
so now you're able to see his eyes.


Well, I hope this is enough proof.
thanks for these more than words can say!! I have been going back and forth on this since day 1 (surely u can understand y so I'm not offended) and I had concluded that Michael may have been on 1 of his many re-makes of himself, or in other words, re-defining himself

because remember how he went from 1978 to about 1985-6 being 'sweet' and only 'sweet' funloving MJ - then in about 1987 - 1992, he became a more "street-wise", "informed", "hot" MJ - then 1995 to about 2001 he became a more "refined", "intellectual", "expansive", "business-savvy" MJ, then about 2003 to 2005 we know he had some "defining moments", so when we saw him again in 2006 to 2008, he became a more "current", "reserved", "homebody", "conservative" MJ, and so I'm thinking that in 2009, maybe he set out to become a little more "rough-neck", "bass-in-his-voice", "take charge" MJ.

The only thing is, watching the This It It full-length trailer, he maintains a kind of 'sweetness' that is visible throughout all of his "re-definitions" of himself, that sort of seemed to be missing from the '02 press conference .... but I also think its possible that when he said, "this is it because ..." and the fans interrupted with the pandemonium, he may have been about to give us a clue.


? well, what do ya think? any thoughts?
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Guest on Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:40 am

yeah I think it is MJ. In all of the hand pictures, it is kinda wrinkly/saggy over the joint where the finger bends and I for some odd reason find that kinda cute (lol) so I paid attention to that specifically in each of the pics, so yeah I think 02 guy is MJ.

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by spider monkey on Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:49 am

hello, thank you for letting me in. i'm just as confused about the O2 MJ. could be the wig that's different, but i compared an arena pic to one taken the day after when he watched Oliver, and i really don't think they look the same. MJ has softer features, i think. the one who watched Oliver looks to me to be the same man in the set of pics taken june 3 walking with his children and Kenny outside the dance studio here:

http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/studio/010.jpg



[img][img:89ee]http://i32.tinypic.com/9103ro.jpg[/img]
i also noticed that in one of the pics, it looked like he was wearing a glove, which accidentally unfurled. studying the pic some more, i think i was mistaken, could have been a shadow cast on his hand, but i wondered what cast the shadow, and why it was so sharp and so straight that his arm actually looked dark above the wrist.

[img][img:89ee]http://i29.tinypic.com/104rwip.png[/img]


the large-size pic is here:
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/011.jpg

and then i look at the palm some more, and it does look like it's gloved. the wrinkles on the fingertips could be caused by a glove not tight enough. these are comparison pics from both events.

[img][img:89ee]http://i31.tinypic.com/2hehx78.png[/img]


i don't know if i'm seeing too much in nothing.

i used these pics because they were taken one day apart. it's hard to compare the O2 pic to pics from earlier years because there were slight changes from time to time. if the O2 guy looked exactly the same as a pic taken at an earlier year, it's possible that both pics are of the same guy, a double for MJ.

just my two cents. and, having said that, i'm still not sure cos i might just be seeing things.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by ziffes on Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:03 am

Shocked well since you are pointing this out... it really looks odd. but i still think it is MJ.

i have noticed that he has big hands in contrast to his face and body... but maybe it is just me
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:16 am

i have noticed that he has big hands in contrast to his face and body... but maybe it is just me
You're right. He's always had big hands, but it became more visible after his weight loss and vitiligo.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by ziffes on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:20 am

year he really lost A LOT of weight... way to much if you ask me... look at his left arm compared to her hand
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:29 am

Yeah, poor Mike.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Lay"sMjBad on Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:45 am

well plz tell me if this is mj at conference https://redcdn.net/ihimizer/img12/584/2009xj.jpg who is this behind the curtain?!?https://redcdn.net/ihimizer/img2/2000/85601042.jpg i think itz the real mj behind the curtain anyone else agree pm me if you see this 2
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