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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by ziffes on Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:48 am

i dont see anyone behind the curtain?? im sure it is the real MJ
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by WanaBstartnSthn on Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:01 am

Harleyblonde wrote:Just a thought but could it be possible to make it so that a double of a person has exactly the same scars as the real one? Just a thought-it shouldn't be too hard to cut someone so that they have a very similar scar and MJ would have been well aware of his scars. If you are going to use doubles and stage a hoax you do everything to the very last detail, scars,teeth fixed etc etc. He was a perfectionist with everything. Maybe am being silly but we have to think of every probability. You can change anything physically but is the mannerisms plus the fact that his skin looked so much younger/fresher than before. He positivly glowed and as much as we love him he hasn't seemed like this for a long time.

i agree. Michael would have to have known that eventually there would be ppl scrutinizing every little detail from the O2 conference. And many ppl didn't take offense to wandulka calling us crazy but I did. If my beliefs are different from yours, then I don't have the right to call u names because of that. As much as we are all big, loyal fans of Michael's, we have to face the fact that we don't know him personally. Some may say Michael isn't capable of doing this or that or he wouldn't dare do this or he wouldn't think of acting like that, the truth of the matter is this; we don't know what he is capable of. I read somewhere from the Rabbi Schmuley tapes that MJ called sister Janet a "fat cow" when she gained all that weight a few years back. Now, I never in my wildest dreams would think Michael could say that especially to his own sister. We may not know the REAL Michael Jackson. In my opinion, everything is just speculation. No one can say for sure whether or not that was the real MJ at the O2. The only way to end all the arguing and speculation over it is to just have Michael tell us himself. That's my opinion.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Ivonne on Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:14 am

Excuse my English


If it really was MJ, I'm still not convinced, then please explain to me
his behavior. I do not understand his behavior.

When I saw the video for the first time I thought, as MJ walked up the stairs, oh my God,
that he is. But when he started making these strange movements on the
stage and then has spoken, I thought what is that?

Nothing fits in this scene to MJ, absolutely nothing. And I do not believe that he
has taken a bit (drugs) before going on stage. Not for this 2-minute appearance.

This announcement confuses me again and again and again and again
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by jade jackson on Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:15 am

annieisnotokey wrote:
Harleyblonde wrote:Am still undecided. Is this another one of the great mysteries of the world? How did they build the pyramids? Is there a Loch Ness monster? Was Marilyn munroe murdered? etc etc and now is was it MJ at O2?


Annie...you make me laugh laugh laugh. Thanks for the always great graphics!

This is definitely a case for the X Files.

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by city.gal1 on Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:34 am

Lay"sMjBad wrote:well plz tell me if this is mj at conference http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/584/2009xj.jpg who is this behind the curtain?!?http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2000/85601042.jpg i think itz the real mj behind the curtain anyone else agree pm me if you see this 2

see this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1159645/Trembling-gaunt-100million-debt-Michael-Jackson-makes-final-entrance.html


in part it says:

Every twitch of the scarlet silk curtain behind the stage brought a tribal scream from the masses, but repeatedly no superstar.
At one stage I watched a dozen teeny faces contort into near hysteria as they clustered around a tall, black-suited figure sporting sunglasses and leather gloves.
Crikey! Had Jacko given his security guards the slip to pop out and mingle among the crowd?

No, actually. It was 'Navi', a 36-year- old Jackson lookalike from Ilford, Essex, who had
joined the throng to see his hero.

...

Perhaps this answers the question of who was behind the curtain, IDN.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Makea on Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:00 pm

DreamsComeTrue wrote:I just want to add more photos to demonstrate that Wandulka is right!

If you don't see the scars I encourage you to copy the photos and zoom them! Sorry for not putting the photos together to be easier to compare, but I don't know how to do it!
I'll try to bring more evidence taken from photos in order to demonstrate that Michael was with us since he was 5 years old! And he never abandon us!

1. SCARS























Thank you for all these pic´s to convince (not only) me. Maybe you are right.
I´m suddenly losing my last doubts. It was really Michael at the O²..... (???)

But why did he act that strange way he did? His behavior was not like I allways knew him.
I think, some of you will say that, too. I don´t know what I should think now....
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Makea on Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:03 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
Harleyblonde wrote:Am still undecided. Is this another one of the great mysteries of the world? How did they build the pyramids? Is there a Loch Ness monster? Was Marilyn munroe murdered? etc etc and now is was it MJ at O2?


This is definitely a case for the X Files.


Agreed
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by mommy on Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:13 pm

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Ivonne on Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:15 pm



You're right. In this picture, I see no scars. On the lower lip is nothing to see.

Now I'm completely confused, even worse than before.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by SeeingClues on Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:47 pm

imagine how mortified Michael would be if he knew how closely people are analyzing his scars.. Embarassed
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by WanaBstartnSthn on Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:52 pm

SeeingClues wrote:imagine how mortified Michael would be if he knew how closely people are analyzing his scars..

I know but Michael we love you if you are reading this! We love you from head to toe you are a beautiful man! We all have insecurities, Michael, but I just wish you knew how we look at you! We aren't doin this to hurt you, you only want to find the truth because we are desperate to have you back. We miss you Michael !!!!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Ivonne on Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:54 pm

SeeingClues wrote:imagine how mortified Michael would be if he knew how closely people are analyzing his scars..

Sorry,
but to get closer to the truth, we must analyze. And we do not only
analyze his scars. We really only compare the pictures. And the scars
are an indication. Just my personal opinion.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Makea on Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:20 pm

Maybe it was often the same impersonator or these pix are all photoshoped.
Who wants scars on his pic? hmm.
I have my doubts back again......
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:11 pm


I think it's because of the different lightening, that's all..he's also smiling in this picture, so the scars are not that visible :/
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Guest on Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:15 pm

Makeup can cover any scar.

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:25 pm

Anyway, I edited the picture a bit...you can see the scars now...
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:01 am

Another contribution of mine..

His neck..
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:08 am

wandulka wrote:Another contribution of mine..

His neck..

Good job, sweetie! You rock!
He's Michael...everywhere!



Look at the teeth!!! The last photo and this one! He has big teeth...as you can see!

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:10 am

Thank you...yeah, it's him...
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by ishealive on Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:24 am

I've always known it was MJ but he did behave out of character for a reason! We're all still debating 4 months later if it was him or not...
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:38 am

ishealive wrote:I've always known it was MJ but he did behave out of character for a reason! We're all still debating 4 months later if it was him or not...

He did that so people would think he really had drug addiction! So the story can match....but he didn't had....we all can see how he rocked the stage on the reherseals...
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by speechlessornot on Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:48 am

OMG ! I was 100% sure that the guy at O2 conference wasn't Mike. I still am but only 60%. I agree with you regarding that strange hand...definitely it looks as covered with a fine plastic ...and...look at that guy...in spite of all proofs he is not Michael Jacson...not the face form, the wig, smile, mouth, teeth, chin cleft . I am sure I am going crazy...or I need glasses. And his voice...he looks like Mikael at the end only when he said "i love you...etc


spider monkey wrote:hello, thank you for letting me in. i'm just as confused about the O2 MJ. could be the wig that's different, but i compared an arena pic to one taken the day after when he watched Oliver, and i really don't think they look the same. MJ has softer features, i think. the one who watched Oliver looks to me to be the same man in the set of pics taken june 3 walking with his children and Kenny outside the dance studio here:

http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/studio/010.jpg



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i also noticed that in one of the pics, it looked like he was wearing a glove, which accidentally unfurled. studying the pic some more, i think i was mistaken, could have been a shadow cast on his hand, but i wondered what cast the shadow, and why it was so sharp and so straight that his arm actually looked dark above the wrist.

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the large-size pic is here:
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/011.jpg

and then i look at the palm some more, and it does look like it's gloved. the wrinkles on the fingertips could be caused by a glove not tight enough. these are comparison pics from both events.

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i don't know if i'm seeing too much in nothing.

i used these pics because they were taken one day apart. it's hard to compare the O2 pic to pics from earlier years because there were slight changes from time to time. if the O2 guy looked exactly the same as a pic taken at an earlier year, it's possible that both pics are of the same guy, a double for MJ.

just my two cents. and, having said that, i'm still not sure cos i might just be seeing things.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by April-R on Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:12 am

Sorry I have to bring this topic back.. but compare those pictures:

In the first picture everybody knows it's michael it's obvious..
And his handlines are going from top to the bottom of his hand..
As you can see the pictures from O2 shows the exact same hand and this hand's lines are running from the bottom to the top of his hand...
So if that is Michael, I'm can't put into words how sorry I am. But to me it's odd that the lines of the hand would change?
Please tell me what you think about that?
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by CantStopLovingU on Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:28 am

I have always been able to spot Michael just by looking at his THUMBS. He has very distinctive thrumbs, fat at the base and then almost pointy at the top.

When I looked at the pictures that were posted above of the entire hand at the O2 - come on now! I think that because of the fact that Michael had VERY DISTINCTIVE hands they would have HAD TO USE some sort of prosthetic glove or else many people would be able to see that it wasn't Michael.

The finger pads look all wrinkly and the wrist section - It looks just like some sort of glove. I dont care if you keep your hands in water for hours (like being in the swimming pool for example) your finger pads are not going to look like that!

Not only the finger pads but the wrist! What is going on with that? It's creepy because it looks like a glove.

Also I have always said that the O2 Michael's lips do not match Michaels. The top lip is totally different.

I know this has been hard going back and forth about is the O2 guy Michael or not - I have struggled with it for months, but it just doesn't feel right to me.

The other thing that has always bothered me is that Michael skin color has always been white white - like a piece of paper. The O2 guy has regular caucasion skin tone not the paper white in the pictures of him going to see Oliver.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by April-R on Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:40 am

I'm totally with you CantStopLovingU
He doesn't feel right to me, really...
His whole appearance is kind of odd.. and I paused the first time I saw him at the O2 pressconference. And what stuck out the most to me was his hair and his lips, don't know why.
You know what would be interessting?
Comparing his hands year after year and some different months in a year, so it may could be figured out when he used a double and when he didn't Smile
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by mjgirl86 on Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:53 am

Yeah, you guys..... and it looks like his hands changed a lot, and I don't mean the lines in them... I know the shape of Michael's hands, or so I thought I did... something is definitely off...

His hands were always kind of feminine, and pretty, in a good way, and age wont change the entire shape, of that.. I know Michael's hands..

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by miss j on Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:57 am

April-R wrote:Sorry I have to bring this topic back.. but compare those pictures:

In the first picture everybody knows it's michael it's obvious..
And his handlines are going from top to the bottom of his hand..
As you can see the pictures from O2 shows the exact same hand and this hand's lines are running from the bottom to the top of his hand...
So if that is Michael, I'm can't put into words how sorry I am. But to me it's odd that the lines of the hand would change?
Please tell me what you think about that?

i'm sorry but i think there are no differences on the handlines. still the same handlines to me...look carefully. the handlines are the same. the handline you outlined on the O2 guy is not it. and i believe aging caused extra lines in his palm....it's what i see.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:04 am

miss j wrote:
April-R wrote:Sorry I have to bring this topic back.. but compare those pictures:

In the first picture everybody knows it's michael it's obvious..
And his handlines are going from top to the bottom of his hand..
As you can see the pictures from O2 shows the exact same hand and this hand's lines are running from the bottom to the top of his hand...
So if that is Michael, I'm can't put into words how sorry I am. But to me it's odd that the lines of the hand would change?
Please tell me what you think about that?

i'm sorry but i think there are no differences on the handlines. still the same handlines to me...look carefully. the handlines are the same. the handline you outlined on the O2 guy is not it. and i believe aging caused extra lines in his palm....it's what i see.

I agree with you! For me...are the same hands!

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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:23 am



Talking about hands, this was Michael's right hand from his History tour in Munich 1997.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Butterfly J on Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:10 am

I still don´t believe that is was Michael.

O2 guy is too dark. Make up? Then we shouldn´t see the scars. And we also know he can not tan.

Hands are not the same either.

And smile is very different.

And the way he acted - this was veeery different. All the poses...not Michael at all.


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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by April-R on Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:29 am

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:

Talking about hands, this was Michael's right hand from his History tour in Munich 1997.

Just wanted to add: I always compared the left ones with each other. Smile
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by badloving on Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:56 am

I'm not conveinced either.....
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:34 pm

Is it just the angle of the shot, or does his index finger seem about a half inch shorter compared to the pic from the 80's. Shocked I'm not really into the double theory, but that is weird! He was soooo ridiculously cute back then.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by miss j on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:36 pm

Butterfly J wrote:I still don´t believe that is was Michael.

O2 guy is too dark. Make up? Then we shouldn´t see the scars. And we also know he can tan.

Hands are not the same either.

And smile is very different.

And the way he acted - this was veeery different. All the poses...not Michael at all.

well, maybe the foundation applied too thick. but his acts were strange though....
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by YveLoVesMJ on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:41 pm

Just when I was convinced that it was Michael after seeing the scars, now I'm not so sure after I saw the hands pale
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Butterfly J on Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:14 am

miss j wrote:
Butterfly J wrote:I still don´t believe that is was Michael.

O2 guy is too dark. Make up? Then we shouldn´t see the scars. And we also know he can tan.

Hands are not the same either.

And smile is very different.

And the way he acted - this was veeery different. All the poses...not Michael at all.

well, maybe the foundation applied too thick. but his acts were strange though....

If he had thick make up then how can we see the scars? In my opinion - they are photoshopped or ... doubles have made same operations as Michael, of course they have same scars. As someone said Michael IS perfectionist so the double has to be perfect - otherwise we wouldn´t arque about it right now.
Sorry - my mistake - he can NOT tan
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by speechlessornot on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:02 am

I cannot believe that it was Michael at O2. I'm really not able to see how that guy could be the same with MJ. Skin colour, face shape, hair, lips, teeth, hands ...everything is different...even the coat he was wearing...i don't belive that MJ would wear it...it is an old coat and we all know that Mike is very careful with what he wear.
This is my opinion so...don't shoot me now !!!!
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by EarthAngel90 on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:16 am

I kinda had that feeling in me .... that was the real Michael ... handlines don't lie ...
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by NYMoonwalker on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:22 am

I'm not sure if that was Michael at the O2 but I think the differences in the hands might be because of aging and arthritis Neutral
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:25 am

April-R wrote:
iMISSYOUMJ wrote:

Talking about hands, this was Michael's right hand from his History tour in Munich 1997.

Just wanted to add: I always compared the left ones with each other.

I'm sorry I posted the wrong hand-LOL. I just wanted to post that hand because I thought it look like the hand of the 02 guy although is not the same hand but it does look like it was abit swollen too (I could be wrong, maybe it's not even swollen.)
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:31 am

Everyone has an opinion, but it is just too obvious that it was and always has been Michael.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Christiana on Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:30 pm

wandulka wrote:Everyone has an opinion, but it is just too obvious that it was and always has been Michael.

Off topic, I know..but I love pictures where he's biting his lip. Smile And yeah, I think it's him at the O2...IMO.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by wandulka on Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:49 pm

Christiana wrote:
wandulka wrote:Everyone has an opinion, but it is just too obvious that it was and always has been Michael.

Off topic, I know..but I love pictures where he's biting his lip. And yeah, I think it's him at the O2...IMO.

Hehe, it's OK I get it Anyway, he looks the same in the first and in the second pic..
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by neverlandprincess on Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:00 pm

I was convinced it was not him until the hoax video from our member where he raises his eyebrows when he says "ok"-and he had that irittated tone like he was onto something..then I was like AH-its him. i know what u were saying about the hands though-I was saying the same thing about the hands.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by emo_pinkt on Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:37 pm

Yes it was hi at the o2.....We could debate this for years and ultimately people will still have their own opinions no matter what. Unless Michael Jackson comes and say for himself that he was there some people just would not believe and even then people will still have their own opinions. After going back and forth i think that it IS him, the bone structure on the hands are the same. I think that he was acting that way on purpose
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:49 am

How about this one? Is this Michael or 02 guy? Look at the hand.
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Harleyblonde on Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:22 am

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:How about this one? Is this Michael or 02 guy? Look at the hand.

This MJ to me has the same look as the 02 Michael, I cannot say exactly why but the face looks the same.....
there is something I cannot put my finger on......
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:24 am

@Harleyblonde, it's the same person to me too, but how about the hand? Is that the same one?
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by miss j on Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:25 am

i think it is......
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Re: It was Michael at the 02 conference...

Post by Makea on Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:28 am

Harleyblonde wrote:
iMISSYOUMJ wrote:How about this one? Is this Michael or 02 guy? Look at the hand.

This MJ to me has the same look as the 02 Michael, I cannot say exactly why but the face looks the same.....
there is something I cannot put my finger on......

That is the O2 Guy, not Michael IMO. scratch
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