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Post by Banessa on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:02 pm

Okay this is all Kristy's work! She is having a bit of a problem posting so she asked that I do it for her!

While watching the VMA’s I noticed something weird throughout the show. I thought there weren’t any clues at all! Until…

I started to remember everything that happened during the show! Don’t know if maybe is something but I certainly think is worth a look. During Madonna’ s speech don’t know why but she didn’t seem sadden at all. Her speech was more to make Michael look and seem more human just like the rest of us.

Second the TII dancers performing the following choice of songs odd maybe then again maybe not but here they are:

Thriller (resurrection) Possible
Bad (Michael’s behavior at this moment)
Smooth Criminal (Again MJ’s behavior and the fact he is pulling the biggest event ever under our very own eyes)
Scream (Mega B* slap at the media for all the crap they made him go through)

Third Possible clue:

Janet’s anger at the end of her performance this has already been mentioned but what if she was really mad to see how much hypocrisy filled the auditorium. Somehow the same people that once turned their back on MJ were now in the same place celebrating him!!! Where were they when MJ needed their support? This IMHO could represent Janet’s anger.

Fourth and one of the biggest clues there again IMHO the picture at the end of Janet’s performance… The one were only MJ’s face is left to be seen…Did anyone noticed this picture did not have a “RIP Michael Jackson 1958-2009”… However, when DJ AM was mentioned and his picture was put up for everyone to see…There you see it 1973-2009??? Again maybe is nothing but it’s sure worth to ponder about it.

The show was supposed to have been a tribute to Michael and his legacy yet he was only talked about the first 10 minutes or so…Not one celebrity made mention of him or dedicated his/her award to MJ, like in most cases, a lot of them do… Why couldn’t they acknowledge MJ? Why when he is the King of Pop?

Again these are just a few of the clues I think I may have found…Please let me know what you all think…I would hate to think I missed out on some clues…
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Post by Rach on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:06 pm

Wow Kristy great post! Thanks for sharing with us via Banessa Smile

I never noticed the DJ AM thing, but I was watching online and the feed was crappy and kept cutting out on me so thanks for that! I have to say that is odd. Maybe MTV couldn't bring themselves to lie?

I also thought it odd that no-one dedicated their awards to Michael. It was supposed to be HIS night and after the Madonna and Janet tribute no-one else seemed to care. I also noticed that until the end of the night the camera didn't seem to center on Joe or Jermaine at all (not that I am complaining!!)
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Post by Give.In.To.Me on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:13 pm

Hmm. very interesting. I had not noticed the DJ AM picture with the dates(must have blinked.lol) but once I rewatched I did notice the missing RIP date on MJs picture. I agree that the whole evening of "MJ tribute" was crammed into the first 10 minutes and then drifted off into another direction...especially after the whole Kanya West incident..maybe a good way to distract us from what we just saw?

Madges speech made even me feel bad..and I've loved MJ as long as I can remember. She let everyone know just exactly what they did to MJ by walking away from him, and Janet with the look of pure hatred...she was aiming that at someone or someones for sure!
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Post by Rach on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:14 pm

@ GITM

I personally felt Madonna's speech was more about HER than Michael.
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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:45 pm

Rach wrote:@ GITM

I personally felt Madonna's speech was more about HER than Michael.


Madonna has to be one of the most selfish people on earth. I just wanna puke whenever I hear her talk, its all about her.

Sorry I had to let it out.
Damn that felt good.

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Post by EarthAngel90 on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:55 pm

Joe & Jermaine had no right to be there - Janet did the perfomance well .... & Madonna's Speech was actually good & felt real sincere about her feelings towards him ... & I didn't see DJ A.M. thing ... I need the performance again .... I didn't watch as much because I was cleaning something at the time .....
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Post by Banessa on Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:00 pm

Okay! Kristy I know I posted this for you...but here are my thoughts!
You did and awesome job with these clues. I think I was too absorbed looking for clues that I missed some of the most important ones! Smile

Thanks so much for sharing these clues with all of us Smile I specially like how you made the comparison between DJ Adam's picture and the years he lived and not one MJ pics. they showed had that! Very good eye! Smile I recorded the show so I was able to make the comparisons and the DJ Adam pic is right after Eminem's award acceptance! Thanks Kristy Smile
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Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:35 pm

Okay. I will just say it: I watched the show w/ someone who does NOT feel Michael is alive, yet we BOTH came to the same conclusion about the VMA's.

We both felt it was scripted!

It's difficult for me to explain (or how it would even be done!) but we both got that same feeling.

All the hype about it...Buzz Aldrin to me was a clue (NASA's "secret" PAN mission). AND the rerunning it the following day! The comment by Venus Williams regarding "stepping over the line."
Lady Gaga's song "Paparazzi." .........

When they were showing "entertainers" arriving, they mentioned "There's a 'bedazzled wheelchair going in. I wonder who that's for?"
(We all know it was for Lady Gaga's "act.")

And ds brought up the figure above the door. It's posted in another thread. At two points before Janet comes on stage, I think between the 3:00 and 5:00 mark. I'd have to check where to be exact, but there is definitely someone (black sillouette) above the doorway.

.........(gotta get .... will post more observances if I can think of 'em...)

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Post by MiaPaparazzi on Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:41 pm

Kristy, GREAT observations! I do think a lot of what we saw were distractions, I mean it was a REALLY strange show, even for the VMAs. And I am sorry, but when you are supposed to be honoring the life of The King Of Pop, you would THINK he WOULD be mentioned for more than the first 10 minutes. And to be honest, I thought they would have done something a little bit more spectacular for him, don't get me wrong, it was really good but I just think he deserves more I guess. Just how I feel.. We definitely need to look into the VMAs more...

My opinion on Madonna's speech... and don't throw anything at me, please... ... I personally have liked Madonna since I was little (she, MJ, and Elton John were my favorite artists from about 4yrs to well... today actually lol...) and she has had her moments, don't get me wrong, I remember the "cone" years VERY well ha ha - ok anyway, I thought that although she did do alot of comparisons between herself and MJ, I don't think she was trying to make it about her, but that is just kind of how she is. She came across, to me, as heartfelt, sincere and I think she was trying to stress that on a lot of levels, she related to him and KNEW firsthand a lot of what he has gone through and was trying to let us see him from her eyes if that makes sense? Her speech was very emotional, touching and I remember watching her stop talking a few times to gather herself. She would close her eyes and take a breath and then it was like she was forcing herself to just keep going cuz she was on the verge of losing it... she brought tears to my eyes and my hubby later told me he even had a lump in his throat (this coming from a man who I have seen cry 3 times in 10 years )...

Again, just my opinion, but I FELT MORE EMOTION coming from her in the few minutes she was speaking than I have EVER felt watching the entire Jackson family "greive the loss of their son/brother/father" for nearly 3 months now... I just don't get how on earth they are so emotionless... its almost not human... just my 2 cents.
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Post by Peace on Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:47 pm

My first post here! Hi everyone! I have been posting on MJHD all this time.
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Post by MiaPaparazzi on Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:50 pm

Peace wrote:My first post here! Hi everyone! I have been posting on MJHD all this time.

welcome, peace!
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Post by Red Velvet on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:26 am

Very observant and enjoyable post! Interesting... very interesting.

Rach wrote:@ GITM

I personally felt Madonna's speech was more about HER than Michael.
I kind of got that feeling too. Actually I went back and forth trying to determine that very thing. OK, what/who is this really about..

I concluded it was too revealing and not very respectful. There she was talking about how much MJ needed a friend then exposed everything he did. I can only feel like NO WONDER HE HOAXED HIS DEATH ... more so-called "friends" than the law should allow any one person to have ... her speech made me hurt for him even more than ever.

imo all those details should have been kept private. I felt there were other things she could have recounted for the audience and simply stated, "we were friends and unfortunately lost touch" or something, and left it at that.

I hate to think the time it took for her to memorize that garbage.

Thanks "Madge", now we know he was a HUMAN friggin BEING

again though, Kristy, thanks for giving us some "food for thought" about the VMAs! Wink

Peace, Welcome!!
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Post by nlb on Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:12 am

Great post Kristy. I didn't notice that the dates hadn't been put up when the picture faded to just Michael. To be honest, I was still a little teary eyed from when Madonna spoke. I cried like a baby, mostly when she said about everyone turning their backs on him.

I felt that Janet was pissed at something and now thinking about that, it could be about the sudden rush of people to jump on the MJ bandwagon. I also now wonder if she was upset because IMHO MTV hyped up her performance and made it seem the entire VMAs were going to be in honor of Michael and that clearly was not the case. I think Janet and the pretense of a bigger tribute was used to lure in all the MJ fans and spike ratings.
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Post by ilprincipe on Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:18 am

Hello Banessa and Kristy!
Thanks for posting your observations. Because of the time difference and because I was at my parents that time, I didn't watch the VMAs.
I was hoping for clues. When I read a kind of summary here and on MJHD I was really
disappointed....I expected much more.
I just watched some "highlights" from the show and not the whole show.

I was only interested in the MJ things...I don't like Lady Gaga or Mr. Gaga...not really sure if she is female or shemale....like music from Beyonce, but not that much that it would be worth for me to watch the VMAs...
and to be honest....the current vids cannot be compared with MJ vids...this is a higher league.

Ok...your observation made me really happy.
The dance to the MJ songs was performed by the TTI dancers? I wasn't sure about it, because someone on MJHD posted he/she hadn't seen any of the TTI dancers at the VMA.
I saw the performance, but didn't recognize that it was performed by them.
I absolutely agree with the choice of the songs...very interesting.
BUt for a performance you need catchy tunes and not ballads....ok they could have chosen
"Billy Jean" or Black or White"....but they didn't . They had their reasons I suppose Smile
Madonnas speech seemed genuine...maybe she feels really sorry for not staying in touch with him over the last decades.
I'm still wondering about Janets anger...but your answer to this could be possible.

I didn't watch the whole show, so I didn't know about the DJ AM pic...and the dates...
maybe nothing..but who knows Wink

If the show was intended to be MJ tribute...then I have to say "failed"....
it was a 10 min. MJ show....then most of the time he wasn't mentioned at all..and at
the end the TTI trailer.
Most attention went to Kanye West....even Obama commented that.
That was for me more than weird...of course it was BEFORE his CNBC interview..and
it was not intended to be published...
But why comment a dissing from a c-list rapper one day after it happened...
and the death of one of the greatest entertainer/singer/performer who ever lived
in the USA is not worth a comment. Days after MJ's "passing" a poor statement
from a spokesman.
I'm grateful about Kanyes outburst, because I know now the priorities of Obama....
poor USA....nothing more to add.
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Post by mj's badest B!-tch on Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:28 am

Hello everyone....I just want to say big ups to the young lady for her observations and to everybody who had more to contribute to the clues...now with that said I've looked back on the event and there's one thing that every body seemed to have over look....and that's when "Madge" said at the end of her speech and that's something along the lines of " Michael where ever you are I know your watching" something like that, I thought that was very very curious...don't you think.
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Post by sapatito on Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:38 am

sometimes we notice the most important details days after,when our mind is mire clear.we were all so focus in finding clues that we missec them all that day.i watched the show and i didn't saw dj am pic with the date.
Great post Smile
Btw i'm remenbering some things that maybe aren't clues but maybe they are:
-pink arived in a firetruck and use circus in the performance(don't remenber the name of that thing in english,sorry)
Other thing is,why eminem didn't used that oppurtunity to apologise for the videos where he made fun of Mj?

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Post by MJFOREVER on Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:43 am

The playing the VMA's again and madonna has spoken just a minut ago and i dont know abou tyou gys but even though im not very in to madonna music Razz i though here speech was GREAT and not for here own or talking about here self i had tears in my eas a few times and janet's performing well evenb though it wasnt perfect she rocks the show Razz

But im still missing michael in it Crying or Very sad
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Post by just_friend on Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:47 am

Brilliant! Thanx for sharing!
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Post by neverlandprincess on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:07 pm

BECAUSE EMINEM DOESNT APOLAGIZE FOR ANYTHING HE IS A JERK JUST LIKE KANYE.
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Post by neverlandprincess on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:10 pm

Nice post Banessa-I did love Madonnas speech and I really really really have always had love/hate issues with her. She did humanize him well-and I did think that janet may have been mad at the hypocrisy-and "scream' was a good way to combat it for all it did. I do know I have not heard one good thing about the whole show except for the minute tribute.
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Post by MJFOREVER on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:13 pm

neverlandprincess wrote:BECAUSE EMINEM DOESNT APOLAGIZE FOR ANYTHING HE IS A JERK JUST LIKE KANYE.

What are you talking about??
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Post by neverlandprincess on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:16 pm

Other thing is,why eminem didn't used that oppurtunity to apologise for the videos where he made fun of Mj?
I was just responding the above question-sorry I really dont like Eminem.
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Post by neverlandprincess on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:16 pm

I had a moment of rage
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Post by MJFOREVER on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:17 pm

ahah oke Razz
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Post by lovelidae on Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:42 pm

Rach wrote:@ GITM

I personally felt Madonna's speech was more about HER than Michael.

OMG Rachel, thank you for saying that because that is exactly what I thought. I wish she would have spoken more about MJ and all of the wonderful things he's done to make the world a better place, and less time comparing herself to Michael.
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Post by GirlSaturday on Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:06 pm

In my opinion, the weirdest thing was Janet's performance...or lack of performance. We were led to believe that she was rehearsing 15 hours a day and that there would not be a dry eye in the place once she finished. Sorry but I didn't witness a performance worthy of tears or see that she had reheased even 15 minutes on that day of the show. Okay okay., Janet hasn't performed live in ages so she may have just been a bit rusty. The dancers dominated the so-called Janet Jackson tribute for Michael. Janet's performance seemed to be some sort of after-thought. I still believe that Janet's performance was supposed to be more than what we saw. Somehow I get a feeling that it was supposed to be longer and was to show MJ's full body of musical work instead of the small snippet of songs that we saw. Janet looked pissed off at the end. If they cut her performance short, she may have gone onstage and gave a half-a**ed performance just to spite MTV
Banessa wrote:Okay this is all Kristy's work! She is having a bit of a problem posting so she asked that I do it for her!

While watching the VMA’s I noticed something weird throughout the show. I thought there weren’t any clues at all! Until…

I started to remember everything that happened during the show! Don’t know if maybe is something but I certainly think is worth a look. During Madonna’ s speech don’t know why but she didn’t seem sadden at all. Her speech was more to make Michael look and seem more human just like the rest of us.

Second the TII dancers performing the following choice of songs odd maybe then again maybe not but here they are:

Thriller (resurrection) Possible
Bad (Michael’s behavior at this moment)
Smooth Criminal (Again MJ’s behavior and the fact he is pulling the biggest event ever under our very own eyes)
Scream (Mega B* slap at the media for all the crap they made him go through)

Third Possible clue:

Janet’s anger at the end of her performance this has already been mentioned but what if she was really mad to see how much hypocrisy filled the auditorium. Somehow the same people that once turned their back on MJ were now in the same place celebrating him!!! Where were they when MJ needed their support? This IMHO could represent Janet’s anger.

Fourth and one of the biggest clues there again IMHO the picture at the end of Janet’s performance… The one were only MJ’s face is left to be seen…Did anyone noticed this picture did not have a “RIP Michael Jackson 1958-2009”… However, when DJ AM was mentioned and his picture was put up for everyone to see…There you see it 1973-2009??? Again maybe is nothing but it’s sure worth to ponder about it.

The show was supposed to have been a tribute to Michael and his legacy yet he was only talked about the first 10 minutes or so…Not one celebrity made mention of him or dedicated his/her award to MJ, like in most cases, a lot of them do… Why couldn’t they acknowledge MJ? Why when he is the King of Pop?

Again these are just a few of the clues I think I may have found…Please let me know what you all think…I would hate to think I missed out on some clues…
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Post by GirlSaturday on Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:13 pm

Plus...Madonna's speech even had more punch to it that the performance by Janet. I expected MORE!

Hmmm...I wonder if Madonna's speech was planned all along or if it was sprung on Janet at the last minute and perhaps that was what cut into her time?!? .

GirlSaturday wrote:In my opinion, the weirdest thing was Janet's performance...or lack of performance. We were led to believe that she was rehearsing 15 hours a day and that there would not be a dry eye in the place once she finished. Sorry but I didn't witness a performance worthy of tears or see that she had reheased even 15 minutes on that day of the show. Okay okay., Janet hasn't performed live in ages so she may have just been a bit rusty. The dancers dominated the so-called Janet Jackson tribute for Michael. Janet's performance seemed to be some sort of after-thought. I still believe that Janet's performance was supposed to be more than what we saw. Somehow I get a feeling that it was supposed to be longer and was to show MJ's full body of musical work instead of the small snippet of songs that we saw. Janet looked pissed off at the end. If they cut her performance short, she may have gone onstage and gave a half-a**ed performance just to spite MTV
Banessa wrote:Okay this is all Kristy's work! She is having a bit of a problem posting so she asked that I do it for her!

While watching the VMA’s I noticed something weird throughout the show. I thought there weren’t any clues at all! Until…

I started to remember everything that happened during the show! Don’t know if maybe is something but I certainly think is worth a look. During Madonna’ s speech don’t know why but she didn’t seem sadden at all. Her speech was more to make Michael look and seem more human just like the rest of us.

Second the TII dancers performing the following choice of songs odd maybe then again maybe not but here they are:

Thriller (resurrection) Possible
Bad (Michael’s behavior at this moment)
Smooth Criminal (Again MJ’s behavior and the fact he is pulling the biggest event ever under our very own eyes)
Scream (Mega B* slap at the media for all the crap they made him go through)

Third Possible clue:

Janet’s anger at the end of her performance this has already been mentioned but what if she was really mad to see how much hypocrisy filled the auditorium. Somehow the same people that once turned their back on MJ were now in the same place celebrating him!!! Where were they when MJ needed their support? This IMHO could represent Janet’s anger.

Fourth and one of the biggest clues there again IMHO the picture at the end of Janet’s performance… The one were only MJ’s face is left to be seen…Did anyone noticed this picture did not have a “RIP Michael Jackson 1958-2009”… However, when DJ AM was mentioned and his picture was put up for everyone to see…There you see it 1973-2009??? Again maybe is nothing but it’s sure worth to ponder about it.

The show was supposed to have been a tribute to Michael and his legacy yet he was only talked about the first 10 minutes or so…Not one celebrity made mention of him or dedicated his/her award to MJ, like in most cases, a lot of them do… Why couldn’t they acknowledge MJ? Why when he is the King of Pop?

Again these are just a few of the clues I think I may have found…Please let me know what you all think…I would hate to think I missed out on some clues…
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Post by ballongiraf on Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:23 pm

the thing about the VMA's that stood out the most for me was:
if you didnt know that MJ had "died", you'd think this year's VMA speech and performance was an introduction to a special award, or something.

DJ AM is a lot less known (i have no idea who he was) - yet i knew that that evening's performance/remarks/etc were meant as a tribute to a deceased person because of the 1973-2009 thing on the screen.
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Post by beachgirl on Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:13 pm

Great post Kristy
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Post by ishealive on Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:35 pm

MiaPaparazzi wrote:Kristy, GREAT observations! I do think a lot of what we saw were distractions, I mean it was a REALLY strange show, even for the VMAs. And I am sorry, but when you are supposed to be honoring the life of The King Of Pop, you would THINK he WOULD be mentioned for more than the first 10 minutes. And to be honest, I thought they would have done something a little bit more spectacular for him, don't get me wrong, it was really good but I just think he deserves more I guess. Just how I feel.. We definitely need to look into the VMAs more...

My opinion on Madonna's speech... and don't throw anything at me, please... ... I personally have liked Madonna since I was little (she, MJ, and Elton John were my favorite artists from about 4yrs to well... today actually lol...) and she has had her moments, don't get me wrong, I remember the "cone" years VERY well ha ha - ok anyway, I thought that although she did do alot of comparisons between herself and MJ, I don't think she was trying to make it about her, but that is just kind of how she is. She came across, to me, as heartfelt, sincere and I think she was trying to stress that on a lot of levels, she related to him and KNEW firsthand a lot of what he has gone through and was trying to let us see him from her eyes if that makes sense? Her speech was very emotional, touching and I remember watching her stop talking a few times to gather herself. She would close her eyes and take a breath and then it was like she was forcing herself to just keep going cuz she was on the verge of losing it... she brought tears to my eyes and my hubby later told me he even had a lump in his throat (this coming from a man who I have seen cry 3 times in 10 years )...

Again, just my opinion, but I FELT MORE EMOTION coming from her in the few minutes she was speaking than I have EVER felt watching the entire Jackson family "greive the loss of their son/brother/father" for nearly 3 months now... I just don't get how on earth they are so emotionless... its almost not human... just my 2 cents.


I agree with you Mia on all of the above.
I also have been a fan of Madonna since I was 6 years old. I respected her so much for saying she abandoned him. All his piers did, it makes me sick that they are all loving him now. Where were they the past 15 years. I was delighted Madonna said that at least she was being honest. I loved how she said he was a king but he was also a human being and this coming from the Queen of Pop. In my opinion she also humanised herself with this speech.

MTV could have done alot more to celebrate MJ's life and I think the whole Kanye West thing kind of ruined it but then again in my opinion he likes the attention. Sorry if i've offended any Kanye fans but he lost my respect Sunday night.
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Post by ~~Kristy~~ on Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:38 pm

Hello Everyone!!!! Finally I can post.Thank you for all the comments it took alot of work and I am very proud of the work Oh and Thank you Banessa for posting for me Smile
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Post by Banessa on Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:01 pm

~~Kristy~~ wrote:Hello Everyone!!!! Finally I can post.Thank you for all the comments it took alot of work and I am very proud of the work Oh and Thank you Banessa for posting for me

It was my pleasure! No need to thank me Hon! Thank you, for paying attention while I was too busy crying and looking somewhere else for clues! Smile
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Post by ~~Kristy~~ on Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:08 pm

Awww anytime Banessa Smile
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