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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:04 pm

Ok, so recently I have seen a lot of people believing that after the 1993 allegations, Michael Jackson decided to retire from public life - except for tours/performances - and let a very clever double live his life for him. This means that the double is the one who married Lisa-Marie presley, Debbie Rowe and fathered all three children.

Personally, I find this theory distasteful [although I respect other peoples' opinions] - it's insulting to both Michael and his children. Personal feelings aside however.

Anyhow, I did some digging and I found these courtesy of the Genius Michael Jackson site which IMO is a brilliant Tribute website where a lot of hard work and dedication has gone into it.
http://www.geniusmichaeljackson.com/en/facts.html
I found the pics on the Facts page below the '25 Facts you should know about Michael Jackson'. All credit goes to the webmistress for all her hard work. I expect she is following the same lines I am about Michael having so much plastic surgery that nobody really knows who he is anymore which is untrue.

Anyway, check out the pics below, I reposted them from my photobucket just to make it clearer. They are comparisons of MJ's face from recent years to pictures of him 10-20 years ago at various stages in his life.
It is still Michael Jackson and his face is still exactly the same bar age taking it's toll on him as it does with all of us.







I'm not here to spark an argument and out of respect I have kept silent on this but I think these pictures serve the purpose I want them to serve.
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Post by ishealive on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:08 pm

I couldn't agree with you more APOM, I don't believe in the double theory and I also mean this with alot of respect to those who do.
I've seen Navi and E'casanova and a few others and they resemble him but they do not look like MJ.
The pics above prove what i've always thought.
Thanks for posting APOM.
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Post by mjssoulmate on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:08 pm

I totally agree with you. It's always been Michael.
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Post by CaptainJaneway on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:11 pm

what i see is that he gained weight and loss weight over time. that does change your appearance alot especially in the face.

like pic three 1988 he does look fuller in the face. i would gather he put on some weight there not much but enough.

when he is at his skinniest his cheek bones are more define so is the cleft chin.
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Post by hungry on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:12 pm

I think it's been Michael all along as well. Smile
But this has been an ongoing issue for the past few weeks, and everyone has a different opinion so let's just all agree to disagree!
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Post by ilprincipe on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:13 pm

You are absolutely right APOM...
the only person I still can't recognize as MJ is
the person who made the tour announcement at the o2 arena in March Smile
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Post by MJJ1982 on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:17 pm

100% agree. I don't believe in the double theory either.
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Post by GirlInTheMirror1 on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:24 pm

Hey, good find.
I´m not sure about the theories.
But why I post is, because I still - I just don´t know - know if the O2-MJ is really MJ. I know there´s a special thread about it, and I know there are comparisons about his scars, hands and whatever. I just have a weird feeling about it, this is why i doubt. But of course it could be him. I just don´t know.
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Post by MJJ1982 on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:27 pm

GirlInTheMirror1 wrote:Hey, good find.
I´m not sure about the theories.
But why I post is, because I still - I just don´t know - know if the O2-MJ is really MJ. I know there´s a special thread about it, and I know there are comparisons about his scars, hands and whatever. I just have a weird feeling about it, this is why i doubt. But of course it could be him. I just don´t know.

Personally I'm convinced that o2 Michael is the real Michael.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:28 pm

I'm not concerned about O2 MJ he might be MJ, he might not be MJ. That's his deal. Personally I think that was the real MJ but that's my opinion and not related to this thread.

I'm more about MJ being MJ NOT some imposter/double who has been living his life, spending his money and raising children in his name for the past 15 years which is what the other theories are saying.
People can deny it and try to cover it up as much as they like but I say it as it is and what they are saying that MJ was too cowardly to live his life after the 1993 allegations that he hired someone else to life his life while he hid his face?
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Post by anotherpartofme on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:33 pm

totally agree with you guys.. It is always Michael- I never believed in the double theory.
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Post by Harleyblonde on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:44 pm

I agree, I think he just maybe used a double now and again maybe with a mask, sunglasses etc as a decoy maybe until he got safely from venues etc but as I said in another thread despite the surgery he will have aged....... its just the 02 Michael which is baffling me as he looked so young and fresh faced.
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Post by GirlInTheMirror1 on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:48 pm

Harleyblonde wrote:I agree, I think he just maybe used a double now and again maybe with a mask, sunglasses etc as a decoy maybe until he got safely from venues etc but as I said in another thread despite the surgery he will have aged....... its just the 02 Michael which is baffling me as he looked so young and fresh faced.
This is what I mean... (even the pics from march - o2 - and may look different..)
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Post by DreamsComeTrue on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:50 pm

I AGREE!

It's Michael everywhere!
It's just, sometimes people get confused about the changing appareance...especially because of the hair style!!!
But he's a superstar...and he oftenly changes his look...hairstyle, make-up...
And since we analize photos to determinate if that's Michael or not, in a photo there are several factors that must been taken under consideration...like angle, light, position, quality...

Anyway, I haven't seen a pic of him to make me believe it's a double...

Thanks APOM for this! More proof, better!
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Post by Bidoska on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:51 pm

I have only one thing to say. We only see what you want to see.
Sometimes little clues are big clues. But instead of making things simple, people like to go around and make them difficult.
Even if you make a lot of plastic surgeries you CAN NOT change your bone structure.
Remember the major blind is the one who doesn't want to see.
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Post by ballongiraf on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:00 pm

i have to say i dont get what MJ would achieve by letting a double live his life? What would the point be? If MJ wanted to get away from the spotlight after the 1993 case, he would've just retired. He was a virtual recluse from the 2005 aquittal - 2007 or so, meaning if he wants to stay unnoticed, he can. Also, if you want to divert attention away from you, then why hire a double to go out in public and create attention?
Makes no sense.

Also, when you compare a 1993 pic to a 2009 pic, of course there'll be differences - it's called aging.
Also, one has to take his weight into consideration. Being so tiny and slim like MJ is, adding just a few pounds will change your appearance dramatically, especially in the face.
MJ also has lupus, and some of the medicine he has to take to counter that illness has site-effects that affects your face and your hands. Have you noticed how MJ's hands sometimes seem swollen? That's because of lupus medicine.
Then we have the MJ and make up story. He wears a lot of make up, but when he doesnt, it'll also make him look different than usual.
If you havent slept enough, you'll look different.
What im trying to say is that there are many factors as to why a person can look different in 2 pics. I look different from my wedding pic (which was taken in 2004) - does that mean i have hired a double to live my life? No, that means that i've given birth to 3 kids and have gained some weight = i look different.

So no, i dont believe in the double theory either (although i do respect other peoples' opinion Smile )


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Post by IWSICS on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:02 pm

100% agree, it's always been MJ. He wouldn't let someone else be him! nice work:)
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by Guest on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:10 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Ok, so recently I have seen a lot of people believing that after the 1993 allegations, Michael Jackson decided to retire from public life - except for tours/performances - and let a very clever double live his life for him. This means that the double is the one who married Lisa-Marie presley, Debbie Rowe and fathered all three children.

Personally, I find this theory distasteful [although I respect other peoples' opinions] - it's insulting to both Michael and his children. Personal feelings aside however.

Anyhow, I did some digging and I found these courtesy of the Genius Michael Jackson site which IMO is a brilliant Tribute website where a lot of hard work and dedication has gone into it.
http://www.geniusmichaeljackson.com/en/facts.html
I found the pics on the Facts page below the '25 Facts you should know about Michael Jackson'. All credit goes to the webmistress for all her hard work. I expect she is following the same lines I am about Michael having so much plastic surgery that nobody really knows who he is anymore which is untrue.

Anyway, check out the pics below, I reposted them from my photobucket just to make it clearer. They are comparisons of MJ's face from recent years to pictures of him 10-20 years ago at various stages in his life.
It is still Michael Jackson and his face is still exactly the same bar age taking it's toll on him as it does with all of us.







I'm not here to spark an argument and out of respect I have kept silent on this but I think these pictures serve the purpose I want them to serve.

Its Mike in all of these pictures

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Post by annieisnotokey on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:13 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
I'm more about MJ being MJ NOT some imposter/double who has been living his life, spending his money and raising children in his name for the past 15 years which is what the other theories are saying.

I agree 100% with this. It's taking the double theory way too far to state that somebody else has been living his life since 1993.

However, my theory (DA TROOT) is based on the use of a decoy (that appeared in his life in the past couple of years) and I still believe that can be a strong possibility.

Just my 2 cents. Not looking to start an argument. cheers
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:25 pm

@ Annie and Harley -
Decoy yes to get out of situations or make safe exits - a whole other person living his life for him - NO WAY. Anyone who will believe that is ... well not as intelligent as they would like to think they are.
Besides - I truly believe that you cannot call yourself a fan of someone if you are so ready and willing to deny them their fair dues, deny their children their parentage. It's just insulting.

Remember the major blind is the one who doesn't want to see.
@bidoska - Your statement works both ways. Fair enough if you think I'm making people see 'what I want them to see' but in your theory people see 'what you want them to see' - how is my thread any different from your theory except for the fact that I don't choose to insult my idol and deny his children their parentage?
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I'm not starting up a fight, I have no intention of arguing with anyone. Believe me I am doing far better and more important work and I don't even post here anymore. What I am doing is showing those who are openminded enough to see it that Michael Jackson has always been and will always be Michael jackson not some double he paid to live his life and have children in his name.
Theory is one thing, but theory stops being theory when it starts insulting someone out based on twisted perceptions and lies.
Are you going to ban me and lock my topic because you don't like what I'm saying?
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by ishealive on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:37 pm

I for one am very happy you posted this APOM, i've felt the past few weeks people on here have become extremely down and believing alot of nonsense.
I was actually starting to believe I was one in very few who believed MJ was MJ his whole life.
I don't believe the double story at all, the media and throlls put these ideas into peoples heads and unfortunatley people start to believe them.
Michael was eccentric and different and in my opinon that's a good thing he stood out from the crowd because of his big heart and I also think it's insulting to think he'd be that weird to hire a double to live his life the past 16 years and deceive his fans the ones who stuck by him through thick and thin. I believe he had decoys the ones who wore masks and covered their face up but then again so do alot of celebrities.

I don't mean this in any nasty or disrespectful way it's just my opinion so please don't attack.
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Post by yaya on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:37 pm

great post, APOM! i agree completely!
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by mjj29081958 on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:46 pm

A.P.O.M, I just want to say Thank You Very Much! Really good job!

Although I always though in that way, these pics can show it clearly (just my opinion).

I'm saying this with all due respect that deserve the theories posted here, and beliefs of other members.

Peace.
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by nlb on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:13 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:@ Annie and Harley -
Decoy yes to get out of situations or make safe exits - a whole other person living his life for him - NO WAY. Anyone who will believe that is ... well not as intelligent as they would like to think they are.
Besides - I truly believe that you cannot call yourself a fan of someone if you are so ready and willing to deny them their fair dues, deny their children their parentage. It's just insulting.

Remember the major blind is the one who doesn't want to see.
@bidoska - Your statement works both ways. Fair enough if you think I'm making people see 'what I want them to see' but in your theory people see 'what you want them to see' - how is my thread any different from your theory except for the fact that I don't choose to insult my idol and deny his children their parentage?
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I'm not starting up a fight, I have no intention of arguing with anyone. Believe me I am doing far better and more important work and I don't even post here anymore. What I am doing is showing those who are openminded enough to see it that Michael Jackson has always been and will always be Michael jackson not some double he paid to live his life and have children in his name.
Theory is one thing, but theory stops being theory when it starts insulting someone out based on twisted perceptions and lies.
Are you going to ban me and lock my topic because you don't like what I'm saying?

Honestly when I read the theory, I didn't apply it the kids at all, nor was that something that came to my mind. My take on it was that he would do this for public appearances and maybe an occassional outing. My first thought was, he could have done this so he didn't have to deal with the hatred that he received because of the accusations. I didn't think of it as running away either, more of a way of trying to cope and come to grips with the sudden backlash of the media and fans. I can't imagine what he must have been feeling or going through at this time.
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by kdkennedy74 on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:19 pm

I don't think MJ had a double living his life but I do think that he had decoys so that he could try to do some things without being so mobbed but still IMO I don't think O2 guy is the real MJ.
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by annieisnotokey on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:21 pm

I think the controversy started with that informant giving a member of MJHD info on "Jonathan" the double who lived MJ's life since 1991. This idea was a wee bit insane then and remains that way.
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/michael-jackson-hoax-death-theories-f2/updated-informant-makes-2nd-contact-provides-more-clues-on-jonathan-t1066.htm

But that is a very different thing than saying that MJ sometimes used decoys/doubles/stand-ins/impersonators (some will say very often since the 90s and some will say very rarely or never). This is something I personally & strongly believe he did.

For the record, this is what I said then and I still say today.


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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by CantStopLovingU on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:24 pm

In all the theories that have been posted, I dont believe that any of them that talked about the use of a "double" ever said that this double TOOK over Michaels life entirely, spent his money, fathered his children ect.

What I have read was that starting in the mid 90's a double we presented to the world along with Michael. Both of them.

The pictures posted at the beginning of the thread are almost all from the 90's compared to today so that cant be used to debunk the double theory.

Personally, after looking at hundreds of pictures of Michael and only analyzing the space between his eyes which is far apart and very unique to him, I feel that it has been Michael all along, but I just want to point out that as far as the double theory goes remember that a double is not the same thing as an impersonator, something we have said over and over again, and I just dont recall anyone claiming that a double took over Michaels life.
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:27 pm

Ditto everything Annie said above - that is what I am trying to get at the whole time in this thread.
I know MJ used doubles/decoys all his life, Navi, E'Cas [?] etc have all admitted to it and shown us footage - but I find it insulting and as Annie put above - extremely disrespectful to him and his family to say that someone else has lived his life, reaped his rewards, spent his money, married his wives and raised his children.

I'm not debunking the decoys and impersonators, I'm glad he had them although I don't buy that Ed Hardy clip for one minute because MJ and his kids were reflected in a mirror - you could see all of them in it so unless the double had a double of each kids that one is out IMO.
I'm just showing that MJ is MJ not some person paid to live his life since 1993.
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Post by MJJ Love on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:39 pm

Good Thread A.P.O.M and Wow, I did not know MJ created invented the Show bend thing so you can lean forward beyonfd past the center of gravity.

Whose Site is that.? http://www.geniusmichaeljackson.com It's wonderful and I have only read the one page so far. Thanks for posting.
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by DreamsComeTrue on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:41 pm

Just one thing about that INFORMANT!

I don't remember wich member posted on MJHD (maybe GetItRight, or something like that) but she/he claimed that was contacted by this informant and told her the story!
Before to post what she/he was told, she/he posted some proofs given by the informant to her/him to proove he was a friend of the family or someone close! This prooves were some photos with the french fan Joanna Thomae!
So the MJHD members agreed that she/he should post the information about ¨Jonathan¨, because they were convinced that those photos are private and never seen before...
Except on Joana Thomae's MySpace Page and Facebook!
This were the proofs of that INFORMANT guy to demonstrate he was a friend of the family...well...you wanna might think twice about that dude and his information...wich lead us to so much controversy about Michael's doubles, twin brother....

Sorry about this, I just had to say it...I don't believe that dude,...not a minute!

Once again, great post APOM! We wouldn't even question if that's our idol or not! This is just making us to step back from the investigation...just my thought...

Sorry for those who believe in the double theory! I meant no disespect!

Peace
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:47 pm

@MJJ_Love - yup Michael in collaboration with a couple of other people invented the Smooth Criminal anti-gravity boots/shoes and patented them - he is the only artist in history to have a patended dance move. How's that for awesome?

If you watch very closely when he's doing Smooth Criminal in concert, or the other day at the VMAs when the TII fancers were doing the Lean, you notice their feet slot in and out of the notches in the floor. It's a blink and you'll miss it thing but the VMAs are more obvious than an MJ concert.

Genius Michael Jackson is a kick-ass site isn't it and a great Tribute site. I came across it and thought it was brilliant, and when I saw those pics I just had to repost them.
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Post by GirlSaturday on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:49 pm

Perhaps it is just a matter of semantics. The use of the word "retirement" within these post-1993 theories is causing me some confusion. When a person retires, he or she is retiring from their job so that they can move forward and live life as a non-working person. Some believe after 1993 that MJ retired from public life but continued to perform onstage and recorded music. That is not retirement if the person is still working. If he retired, what was the purpose if he would continue to perform and record? Wouldn't that be the same as a teacher retiring yet each morning she goes back to the school and teaches a class?

Also, I do not fully understand why it is suggested that Michael would retire... but only from public life. What does that mean exactly? He is a public figure because of his work onstage, as a recording artist etc. Once retired, he reverts back to private citizen. As MJ, he could have chosen to hide out, disappear. re-locate to an island whenever he wanted to. He always had the resources to vanish if he wanted and leave the public eye.

Once I understand other people's definitions of retirement and public life, then maybe I can better understand the discussion about doubles used after 1993.

Feel free to share any ideas that may help me out.
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by Harleyblonde on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:52 pm

nlb wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:@ Annie and Harley -
Decoy yes to get out of situations or make safe exits - a whole other person living his life for him - NO WAY. Anyone who will believe that is ... well not as intelligent as they would like to think they are.
Besides - I truly believe that you cannot call yourself a fan of someone if you are so ready and willing to deny them their fair dues, deny their children their parentage. It's just insulting.

Remember the major blind is the one who doesn't want to see.
@bidoska - Your statement works both ways. Fair enough if you think I'm making people see 'what I want them to see' but in your theory people see 'what you want them to see' - how is my thread any different from your theory except for the fact that I don't choose to insult my idol and deny his children their parentage?
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I'm not starting up a fight, I have no intention of arguing with anyone. Believe me I am doing far better and more important work and I don't even post here anymore. What I am doing is showing those who are openminded enough to see it that Michael Jackson has always been and will always be Michael jackson not some double he paid to live his life and have children in his name.
Theory is one thing, but theory stops being theory when it starts insulting someone out based on twisted perceptions and lies.
Are you going to ban me and lock my topic because you don't like what I'm saying?

Honestly when I read the theory, I didn't apply it the kids at all, nor was that something that came to my mind. My take on it was that he would do this for public appearances and maybe an occassional outing. My first thought was, he could have done this so he didn't have to deal with the hatred that he received because of the accusations. I didn't think of it as running away either, more of a way of trying to cope and come to grips with the sudden backlash of the media and fans. I can't imagine what he must have been feeling or going through at this time.

Wooaa, hang on there, I was not being disrespectful in any way about MJ, all I was pointing out was he admitted to using doubles/decoys etc on many occasions. I was not suggesting otherwise. As for the parentage-that has nothing to do with MJ using doubles, parentage is a very private matter and should not be discussed. Why do some people get defensive and angry? we are all missing Michael and are trying in our own little ways to get to the bottom of this terrible enigma and we should all try to work together and be nice. Thats all I have to say. PS- dont wanna anger you any more but the 02 MJ was dodgy!!!!
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by Human_nature on Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:09 pm

@APOM you already know I agree 100% with yo. Great post
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by nlb on Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:14 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:I think the controversy started with that informant giving a member of MJHD info on "Jonathan" the double who lived MJ's life since 1991. This idea was a wee bit insane then and remains that way.
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/michael-jackson-hoax-death-theories-f2/updated-informant-makes-2nd-contact-provides-more-clues-on-jonathan-t1066.htm

But that is a very different thing than saying that MJ sometimes used decoys/doubles/stand-ins/impersonators (some will say very often since the 90s and some will say very rarely or never). This is something I personally & strongly believe he did.

I agree with you Annie about the Jonathan thing. When I first heard about this it reminded me of your theory, then it took on a life of it's own. Making all kinds of claims that just didn't set right.

Like a few other have stated, the theories that presented doubles didn't state that the double married his wives, fathered his children, lived his life, ect. It was more about doubles being used in appearances, public things like that. I also agree with Annie on the use of doubles and I agree with those that stated the theories of doubles.
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by wandulka on Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:50 pm

Thank you for this. Yeah, it's always been him..
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by Banessa on Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:59 pm

nlb wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:I think the controversy started with that informant giving a member of MJHD info on "Jonathan" the double who lived MJ's life since 1991. This idea was a wee bit insane then and remains that way.
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/michael-jackson-hoax-death-theories-f2/updated-informant-makes-2nd-contact-provides-more-clues-on-jonathan-t1066.htm

But that is a very different thing than saying that MJ sometimes used decoys/doubles/stand-ins/impersonators (some will say very often since the 90s and some will say very rarely or never). This is something I personally & strongly believe he did.

I agree with you Annie about the Jonathan thing. When I first heard about this it reminded me of your theory, then it took on a life of it's own. Making all kinds of claims that just didn't set right.

Like a few other have stated, the theories that presented doubles didn't state that the double married his wives, fathered his children, lived his life, ect. It was more about doubles being used in appearances, public things like that. I also agree with Annie on the use of doubles and I agree with those that stated the theories of doubles.


I agree with you Nicole and Annie as well as APOM! You are all right! APOM I do agree and find it disrespectful as well to say that Michael didn't live his life after the 90's and had someone else do it for him. However, I think that idea came from the "Informant" whoever that person is who claimed that some guy Jonathan was the one who was hired by MJ and the family was well aware of him in taking over MJ's life the last few years. (Not what I believe) BTW the informant contacted someone on MJHD not here. And like always whenever there is someone claiming to be a "Close friend" or "in the know" it always brings trouble. We should already be use to these trolls antics/ Smile

Nicole and Annie I also agree that the theories presented recently never argued or suggested that MJ used a double for the purposes which I already stated above. The theories were simply making note that MJ used a couple of doubles for some of his presentations and to trick the paparazzi, something which he himself stated on several occasions. You have to wonder how much can Michael take from being chased around all the time not only by the pap's but by overzealous fans everywhere. He couldn't go out to the store w/out being harassed or chased. Which is why he claimed to have the need for decoys/doubles. We will never know what is like to be in Michael's shoes! We will never know what is like to have to use decoys in order to feel a little normalcy in ones life.

I think that if anything this "informant" IMHO is a planted troll whose sole purpose was to start a war between people who Believe Michael to be alive and by doing so dividing everyone and causing chaos and ultimately people giving up their belief of MJ being ALIVE!!! Resulting in them winning!!!

In other words both theories are right! MJ was MJ all the time He and only he fathered the children as well as married the LMP and Debbie but MJ also used decoys/doubles in some performances and to Escape the paparazzi and the fans at time! Smile I don't hope to start anything by this as it is only my honest opinion and I do respect what others here believe as well! Love ya all even when we don't always agree!!! Smile
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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:01 pm

Human_nature wrote:@APOM you already know I agree 100% with yo. Great post


Im gonna loose my stiletto shoe somehow, when Michael is back, on his tour.
Mabye Im lucky he will put it on my foot aswell.. Oh my, I would so feel like Cinderella



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Post by annieisnotokey on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:11 pm

Banessa wrote:
I think that if anything this "informant" IMHO is a planted troll whose sole purpose was to start a war between people who Believe Michael to be alive and by doing so dividing everyone and causing chaos and ultimately people giving up their belief of MJ being ALIVE!!! Resulting in them winning!!!

Thank you, Banessa! cheers

When I tried to warn people about this at the beginning of September, I got several threats like this one via pm at the MJHD Forum.

(I blacked out the parts that can identify the sender because I don't want to start another war)

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Post by GirlSaturday on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:20 pm

Good grief. Is this stuff that damn critical?

I call bullies like this "keyboard commandos who only possess keyboard courage". They talk a lot of trash because it is the internet. If you were to meet face-to-face, they would probably be scared little wimps.

annieisnotokey wrote:
Banessa wrote:
I think that if anything this "informant" IMHO is a planted troll whose sole purpose was to start a war between people who Believe Michael to be alive and by doing so dividing everyone and causing chaos and ultimately people giving up their belief of MJ being ALIVE!!! Resulting in them winning!!!

Thank you, Banessa!

When I tried to warn people about this at the beginning of September, I got several threats like this one via pm at the MJHD Forum.

(I blacked out the parts that can identify the sender because I don't want to start another war)

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Post by annieisnotokey on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:23 pm

GirlSaturday wrote:Good grief. Is this stuff that damn critical?

I call bullies like this "keyboard commandos who only possess keyboard courage". They talk a lot of trash because it is the internet. If you were to meet face-to-face, they would probably be scared little wimps.

For sure.

Some people feel oh-so-important behind a PC screen. Rolling Eyes
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by Banessa on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:30 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
Banessa wrote:
I think that if anything this "informant" IMHO is a planted troll whose sole purpose was to start a war between people who Believe Michael to be alive and by doing so dividing everyone and causing chaos and ultimately people giving up their belief of MJ being ALIVE!!! Resulting in them winning!!!

Thank you, Banessa! cheers

When I tried to warn people about this at the beginning of September, I got several threats like this one via pm at the MJHD Forum.

(I blacked out the parts that can identify the sender because I don't want to start another war)


Wow! Annie sorry you had to get that nasty PM! I agree with GirlSaturday behind a screen and a Keyboard people do acquire super powers Lol But don't let a group of people stand against them and question them because they go running in hiding! lol

People don't realize that there a lot of trolls out there and they come in all shapes and sizes. They don't care about our feelings or how we believe the Michael is alive! They already made up their mind about Michael being "gone" so now all they have left is to go around pretending to be who they are not in order to divide and conquer IMO. We need to watch each others back and keep our eyes open for anything and everything!

Trolls know just how much we want to hear news from MJ and to know that he is alive but really if you feel it in your heart ( I know I do) you don't need anyone else telling you that he is alive because you already know!!! Smile
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Post by annieisnotokey on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:34 pm

Banessa wrote:
People don't realize that there a lot of trolls out there and they come in all shapes and sizes. They don't care about our feelings or how we believe the Michael is alive! They already made up their mind about Michael being "gone" so now all they have left is to go around pretending to be who they are not in order to divide and conquer IMO. We need to watch each others back and keep our eyes open for anything and everything!

Trolls know just how much we want to hear news from MJ and to know that he is alive but really if you feel it in your heart ( I know I do) you don't need anyone else telling you that he is alive because you already know!!! Smile

Maybe trolls come in here (or other hoax forums) and throw crazy theories just to poke fun at us. lol!

Anyway, I agree with you 100% that -at the end of the day- all that matters is what I (we) feel in my (our) heart(s).

I know I feel MJ is alive. If I'm wrong, so be it. I'm not harming anybody!


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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by nlb on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:35 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
Banessa wrote:
I think that if anything this "informant" IMHO is a planted troll whose sole purpose was to start a war between people who Believe Michael to be alive and by doing so dividing everyone and causing chaos and ultimately people giving up their belief of MJ being ALIVE!!! Resulting in them winning!!!

Thank you, Banessa!

When I tried to warn people about this at the beginning of September, I got several threats like this one via pm at the MJHD Forum.

(I blacked out the parts that can identify the sender because I don't want to start another war)


Wow that is craziness. There is no need for that.

IMHO, someone did take what you said in your theory and twisted it into this Jonathan thing. From there it just grew on it own. It just kept getting bigger and bigger and that is where the theory of someone else living MJ's life started. IMO, this Jonathan thing gets confused with the theories on doubles.
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by annieisnotokey on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:41 pm

nlb wrote:
IMHO, someone did take what you said in your theory and twisted it into this Jonathan thing. From there it just grew on it own. It just kept getting bigger and bigger and that is where the theory of someone else living MJ's life started. IMO, this Jonathan thing gets confused with the theories on doubles.

100% correct.

The bad thing is that now, when somebody explores the idea of double use, he/she gets classed as crazy and disrespectful. Rolling Eyes

We are all thrown in the same bag. Rolling Eyes


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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by nlb on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:48 pm

[quote="annieisnotokey"]
nlb wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:
IMHO, someone did take what you said in your theory and twisted it into this Jonathan thing. From there it just grew on it own. It just kept getting bigger and bigger and that is where the theory of someone else living MJ's life started. IMO, this Jonathan thing gets confused with the theories on doubles.

100% correct.

The bad thing is that now, when somebody explores the idea of double use, he/she gets classed as crazy and disrespectful.

We are all thrown in the same bag.

I agree with you and it is not fair to throw us all into the same bag. There is a BIG difference between the two and the theories that were presented did not included any of that in them nor was it imply at least IMHO.
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Re: MJ=MJ=MJ - No imposter double living his life after 1993

Post by Banessa on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:58 pm

[quote="nlb"]
annieisnotokey wrote:
nlb wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:
IMHO, someone did take what you said in your theory and twisted it into this Jonathan thing. From there it just grew on it own. It just kept getting bigger and bigger and that is where the theory of someone else living MJ's life started. IMO, this Jonathan thing gets confused with the theories on doubles.

100% correct.

The bad thing is that now, when somebody explores the idea of double use, he/she gets classed as crazy and disrespectful.

We are all thrown in the same bag.

I agree with you and it is not fair to throw us all into the same bag. There is a BIG difference between the two and the theories that were presented did not included any of that in them nor was it imply at least IMHO.

Nicole and Annie cheers cheers cheers you are both aweZome (yes intentionally w/Z lol) I agree w/ you 100% it's not fair to get classified as being crazy or disrespectful for exploring one possibility out of so many out there. When the one IMO who should be getting lynched doesn't even post here!lol!
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Post by mjthelegendlives on Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:25 pm

A.P.O.M. - thanks for posting this.
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:14 am

Never was imposter to begin with in the first place ... I don't know how that got in the mix ... of finding michael ...
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Post by amy on Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:09 am

hey it is michael not an imposter its michael michael michael not any imposter
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