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Post by applesaucers on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:31 pm

Mmm... seems like solid proof to me in this video...



AND the kids' names are not the same as the ones on their birth certificates.

Another vid on the Will:

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Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:51 pm

applesaucers....... applauding your work here!
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Re: So the Will was a fake all along...

Post by applesaucers on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:58 pm

=)

But real credit goes to the makers of the videos. I just fished them out from the dark corners of YouTube. lol.
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Post by ~StarLight~UK~ on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:05 pm

@applesaucers ~ this is a great find ~ fab work!

And the hoax is on.......
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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:10 pm

That is kinda scary

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Post by hungry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:22 pm

Seriously, I don't how people can be 100% sure that Michael is dead if his will is so... questionable.
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Post by applesaucers on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:29 pm

hungry wrote:Seriously, I don't how people can be 100% sure that Michael is dead if his will is so... questionable.

This is my same thought.
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Post by ~StarLight~UK~ on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:34 pm

Everything is questionable....I don't know what to believe anymore.
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Post by annieisnotokey on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:55 pm

~StarLight~UK~ wrote:Everything is questionable....I don't know what to believe anymore.

My thoughts exactly.
Every where we look at, there's something questionable. Suspect
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Re: So the Will was a fake all along...

Post by ~StarLight~UK~ on Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:05 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
~StarLight~UK~ wrote:Everything is questionable....I don't know what to believe anymore.

My thoughts exactly.
Every where we look at, there's something questionable.

Sometimes I wish I had a crystal ball........
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:11 pm

Whoa ... his will is fake ..... amazing you can do that nowdays ....
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Post by neverlandprincess on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:22 pm

O Gosh-this was an awesome find! I could live on youtube and I have not found thses! The second one makes me mad-that about that spider bite-the pics from AEG...why why why!
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Re: So the Will was a fake all along...

Post by GirlSaturday on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:33 pm

Ummm Did Michael Jackson really exist or was he just a 3D figment of my imagination all of these years?
I'm hearing the theme music to the Outer Limits and Twilight Zone right about now.

annieisnotokey wrote:
~StarLight~UK~ wrote:Everything is questionable....I don't know what to believe anymore.

My thoughts exactly.
Every where we look at, there's something questionable.
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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:54 pm

applesaucers..well done,,and if the will is fake..what is that telling us all?

And The Plot Thickens!!!!

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Post by hungry on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:02 pm

Pinkshots wrote:applesaucers..well done,,and if the will is fake..what is that telling us all?
And what about the Michael Joe/Joseph issue on the death certificate? Smile
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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:10 pm

hungry..thats only the tip of the ice berg!!!!!! but yes you are right!!

Come on guys use your imagination on this???

Why do you think this is a fake will???

Maybe we JUST may find another clue if we all put our ideas down.

Why would someone like MJ do this???


The winner gets a GOLD STAR!!!!! lol lol lol

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Post by annieisnotokey on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:22 pm

Pinkshots wrote:hungry..thats only the tip of the ice berg!!!!!! but yes you are right!!

Come on guys use your imagination on this???

Why do you think this is a fake will???

Maybe we JUST may find another clue if we all put our ideas down.

Why would someone like MJ do this???


The winner gets a GOLD STAR!!!!! lol lol lol

Two ideas come to mind:
* The will was faked by the estate administrators to get their greedy little fingers on MJ's money.
* The will was faked by MJ himself to be able to revert the estate procedures when he comes back.
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Re: So the Will was a fake all along...

Post by Guest on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:30 pm

Annie....a silver star

Come on guys!!!! You can do this!!!!

Theres more to it than just that!!!!!

I have to leave for work soon,,and when I return tommorow
I want to see heaps of answers to this very question!!!!!

Think Outside The square!!!!!!!!!

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Post by GirlSaturday on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:30 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
Pinkshots wrote:hungry..thats only the tip of the ice berg!!!!!! but yes you are right!!

Come on guys use your imagination on this???

Why do you think this is a fake will???

Maybe we JUST may find another clue if we all put our ideas down.

= my state of mind when discussing the will.

Okay I won't win the goldstar because the faked will by MJ makes no sense to me.
*If MJ signed the will, how is it actually considered "fake"?
*If a person "dies" and later returns, why wouldn't the will automatically be considered null and void since a will is executed on the condition that a person died?

Help. Anyboby, anybody?

Why would someone like MJ do this???


The winner gets a GOLD STAR!!!!! lol lol lol

Two ideas come to mind:
* The will was faked by the estate administrators to get their greedy little fingers on MJ's money.
* The will was faked by MJ himself to be able to revert the estate procedures when he comes back.
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Post by annieisnotokey on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:36 pm

Pinkshots wrote:Annie....a silver star

Come on guys!!!! You can do this!!!!

Theres more to it than just that!!!!!

I have to leave for work soon,,and when I return tommorow
I want to see heaps of answers to this very question!!!!!

Think Outside The square!!!!!!!!!

I'm happy with my silver star.



I'm gonna sit this one out for a while and see what others have to say.
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Post by Sweet1 on Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:23 pm

EarthAngel90 wrote:Whoa ... his will is fake ..... amazing you can do that nowdays ....

Honey, I don't know if you recall this but we already addressed his will being fake back in July. I don't recall the thread. It was from MJHD and it was laid out and explained in detail. Now that someone else has caught onto it I think it's better. I agree with what Annie said. Keep the Faith!
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Post by See on Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:30 pm

Were are the video´s..........
Please give a link so I can watch wenn I´m back from school LOL
gotto go now but really wanne SEE.....thankssss
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Re: So the Will was a fake all along...

Post by kdkennedy74 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:29 pm

I'm starting to wonder if there is any legal document out there that can't be faked?!? I have all along wondered why if Michael updated his will every 5 years there was not one dated in 2007. I guess that is the real one that will not come out in all of this. However, if there is a newer one than this "fake" one, I hope he only leaves everything to his children because his whole family is greedy. I am to the point that I think his mother is money hungry too and I had always liked her but I just think she is getting greedier by the day.
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Re: So the Will was a fake all along...

Post by PepaBCN on Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:59 pm

applesaucers wrote:=)

But real credit goes to the makers of the videos. I just fished them out from the dark corners of YouTube. lol.

You told it! You fished them! And when a fisher fishes some fish (it sounds messing...), is the credit going to that fish or to the fisher?
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Re: So the Will was a fake all along...

Post by Harleyblonde on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:01 pm

Maybe I am missing the plot but I have always believed that a will has to be left in the hands of a lawyer, mine is and I was advised to do this and I am not rich!!!
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Re: So the Will was a fake all along...

Post by applesaucers on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:11 pm

Now that I look deeper into this, I'm thinking that it could be one of those personal signature stamps... but on a will? I also realized the description of the signature says "signature of 2002 will" but I do remember seeing the signature on wikipedia waaaaay before the will became public:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Michael_Jackson_signature.svg

But, if MJ renews his will every 5 years, where's the 2007 one? Doesn't one his many lawyers have it? Remember the whole back and forth news about the search for it? One day they found it, then lost it and found it again?

I continue to believe the 2002 will is fake/void solely based on the kids' and Debbie's names. And MJ's name is questionable, too.
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Post by hungry on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:18 pm

applesaucers wrote:Now that I look deeper into this, I'm thinking that it could be one of those personal signature stamps... but on a will?
We know that Michael isn't stupid, so hopefully it rules out the signature stamps. Why on earth would be stamp his signature on his WILL?
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Post by Sweet1 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:23 pm

hungry wrote:
applesaucers wrote:Now that I look deeper into this, I'm thinking that it could be one of those personal signature stamps... but on a will?
We know that Michael isn't stupid, so hopefully it rules out the signature stamps. Why on earth would be stamp his signature on his WILL?


Personal signature stamps aren't valid for Wills. Wills must be signed with original signature. If the Will was stamped that makes it invalid. I know this from experience. I don't know how many times during my former military career I had to update my Will. Keep the Faith!
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Post by PepaBCN on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:26 pm

Does anyone know if the MJ autograph signature is the same that the one used for legal docs? I think he should have these two ones to avoid (or at least, make it difficult) fake ones...
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Post by hungry on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:30 pm

Sweet1 wrote:
hungry wrote:
applesaucers wrote:Now that I look deeper into this, I'm thinking that it could be one of those personal signature stamps... but on a will?
We know that Michael isn't stupid, so hopefully it rules out the signature stamps. Why on earth would be stamp his signature on his WILL?


Personal signature stamps aren't valid for Wills. Wills must be signed with original signature. If the Will was stamped that makes it invalid. I know this from experience. I don't know how many times during my former military career I had to update my Will. Keep the Faith!
LOL Why did I think it was? It wouldn't have made sense!
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Post by ezzramj on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:48 pm

[img][/img]i have this pic with his signature
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Post by ezzramj on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:49 pm

how do i upload a pic???
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Michael Joe vs Michael Joseph

Post by jade jackson on Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:00 pm

hungry wrote:
Pinkshots wrote:applesaucers..well done,,and if the will is fake..what is that telling us all?
And what about the Michael Joe/Joseph issue on the death certificate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW_rTHWUL3s

Michael's name is Michael Joseph Jackson. I just posted this on the original Joe/Joseph thread as well. Another deposition (the one where they question him about drugs) was on CNN like 20 times in the past week, and on that one he actually spells all three names Michael Joseph Jackson. So I am absolutely positively postive that Michael Joseph Jackson is Michael's legal name. If documents from court cases etc. state otherwise, then my head starts spinning again...something is wrong with those documents.
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:03 pm

jade jackson wrote:
hungry wrote:
Pinkshots wrote:applesaucers..well done,,and if the will is fake..what is that telling us all?
And what about the Michael Joe/Joseph issue on the death certificate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW_rTHWUL3s

Michael's name is Michael Joseph Jackson. I just posted this on the original Joe/Joseph thread as well. Another deposition (the one where they question him about drugs) was on CNN like 20 times in the past week, and on that one he actually spells all three names Michael Joseph Jackson. So I am absolutely positively postive that Michael Joseph Jackson is Michael's legal name. If documents from court cases etc. state otherwise, then my head starts spinning again...something is wrong with those documents.

I know exactly what you mean. I get confused because when we see the actual court papers it states Michael Joe, and there is an interview somewhere that shows Katherine saying his name is Michael Joe but then you have Michael saying Michael Joseph. I give up, we may never know the truth unless someone can get into a database and get a copy of his BC.
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Re: So the Will was a fake all along...

Post by jade jackson on Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:07 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
Pinkshots wrote:hungry..thats only the tip of the ice berg!!!!!! but yes you are right!!

Come on guys use your imagination on this???

Why do you think this is a fake will???

Maybe we JUST may find another clue if we all put our ideas down.

Why would someone like MJ do this???


The winner gets a GOLD STAR!!!!! lol lol lol

Two ideas come to mind:
* The will was faked by the estate administrators to get their greedy little fingers on MJ's money.
* The will was faked by MJ himself to be able to revert the estate procedures when he comes back.


Idea 3. The will is fake/phony. Ie, what we are looking at on YouTube is not the real will, but something put up there by a prankster. Seems to me that no matter what Michael's state of mind, he would not sign a will that mis-stated his own children's names, nor would his lawyers have drafted such a will. Seems to me also that the estate administrators would have been sure to get the basic facts, such as children's and wive's names, straight. I don't think Branca would do up a will with wrong names for the children.

Idea 4. The will is purposefully incorrect because it is only meant to be a prop in a death hoax.

Just ideas...don't shoot me
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Post by annieisnotokey on Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:11 pm

jade jackson wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:

Two ideas come to mind:
* The will was faked by the estate administrators to get their greedy little fingers on MJ's money.
* The will was faked by MJ himself to be able to revert the estate procedures when he comes back.


Idea 3. The will is fake/phony. Ie, what we are looking at on YouTube is not the real will, but something put up there by a prankster. Seems to me that no matter what Michael's state of mind, he would not sign a will that mis-stated his own children's names, nor would his lawyers have drafted such a will. Seems to me also that the estate administrators would have been sure to get the basic facts, such as children's and wive's names, straight. I don't think Branca would do up a will with wrong names for the children.

Idea 4. The will is purposefully incorrect because it is only meant to be a prop in a death hoax.

Just ideas...don't shoot me

Agree with you.
My 2nd idea is related to your Idea 4.
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Re: So the Will was a fake all along...

Post by applesaucers on Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:22 pm

jade jackson wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:
Pinkshots wrote:hungry..thats only the tip of the ice berg!!!!!! but yes you are right!!

Come on guys use your imagination on this???

Why do you think this is a fake will???

Maybe we JUST may find another clue if we all put our ideas down.

Why would someone like MJ do this???


The winner gets a GOLD STAR!!!!! lol lol lol

Two ideas come to mind:
* The will was faked by the estate administrators to get their greedy little fingers on MJ's money.
* The will was faked by MJ himself to be able to revert the estate procedures when he comes back.


Idea 3. The will is fake/phony. Ie, what we are looking at on YouTube is not the real will, but something put up there by a prankster. Seems to me that no matter what Michael's state of mind, he would not sign a will that mis-stated his own children's names, nor would his lawyers have drafted such a will. Seems to me also that the estate administrators would have been sure to get the basic facts, such as children's and wive's names, straight. I don't think Branca would do up a will with wrong names for the children.

Idea 4. The will is purposefully incorrect because it is only meant to be a prop in a death hoax.

Just ideas...don't shoot me

I am leaning towards the 4th idea... like it was only used to get the public talking. What other will had become public and caused that much of a stir?
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