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Post by marsheliamorgan on Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:05 pm

ok, so after watching the dateline special regarding the tapes with the rabbi,i am seriously thinking that IF michael did hoax his death,he is NOT coming back to perform at all, it would be all about helping from behind the scenes,and we will probably,and possibly NOT even know it was really him,. just from what i gathered in that interview and off those tapes,that was the saddest stuff i have ever heard. whats your opinons on this?
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Post by Sweet1 on Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:14 pm

I resent Rabbi Smulley for coming out with those tapes of he and MJ's conversation to promote his book. Which incidently he has written 21 books and this book's proceeds are going to charity. Whatever, these tapes were private and needless to say they were from 9 yrs ago. I am all too certain MJ has changed since 9 yrs ago. I just resent ppl trying to make money off MJ. I do think MJ will comeback in his own time and shock the helotes out of the world. He will have the last say when it's all said and done. Keep the Faith!
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Post by marsheliamorgan on Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:18 pm

i SURE hope your right,but,from all going on sweet1,i have to admit,i am sure having some MAJOR doubts,i just read the fitting the pieces together thread and now,i am TOTAlly confused,and losing hope and faith fast,and it sure didnt help to see it after the dateline show.oh,this just really bites you know?i am SO disappointed and down now
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Post by MauraMissesMichael on Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:21 pm

Sweet1 wrote:I resent Rabbi Smulley for coming out with those tapes of he and MJ's conversation to promote his book. Which incidently he has written 21 books and this book's proceeds are going to charity. Whatever, these tapes were private and needless to say they were from 9 yrs ago. I am all too certain MJ has changed since 9 yrs ago. I just resent ppl trying to make money off MJ. I do think MJ will comeback in his own time and shock the helotes out of the world. He will have the last say when it's all said and done. Keep the Faith!

Michael did these interviews knowing tha the Rabbi was doing these books. Im sorry but this what people NEED to here. This isnt someone cashing in on Michaels death, this is someone bringing light to who he REALLY was and what he REALLY Went through..
People need to understand Michael in order to understand why or if he did this hoax death.. Glorifying him as being this happy holy person all the time will never bring answers to you. Michael suffered, he was hurt and angry and I think is only will for life were his CHILDREN.
He loves his fans yes, but the entertainer is only a SMALL fragment of what he truly he is... I love him even more now. For being human.

I totally applaud what this rabbi is doing.. Yeah and today is 3 months.. hmmm.. Wonder who was behind this info being leaked really? Think about it.. Don't judge.. Try to understand.. IT will all makse sense to you
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Post by WanaBstartnSthn on Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:24 pm

All I know is, I am growing impatient quickly with this whole thing. How much longer will we have to wait?? I seriously don't even know what to believe anymore. Its like everytime we think we're on to something, some tape comes out or some picture surfaces or some new report is released and or someone sheds a tear or looks sad and then we're left wondering how should we feel and think. It's so annoying because our feelings are constantly being jerked around and it's not healthy for any of us emotionally or mentally..... Is Michael alive or is he dead? If he's alive does he ever plan to come back? Does he want us to figure this out? Does he know how much we love and miss him and how much we're suffering? If he's dead, how could all these people betray him and crap on his name the way they have been doing? And why does his family act like they lost a family pet and not MICHAEL JACKSON, their beloved son, brother, father, uncle, cousin?

On another note, @ marsh, why are you so disappointed? I didnt watch it cuz I was too lazy to get up and change the channel. What did you see?
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:29 pm

Sweet1 wrote:I resent Rabbi Smulley for coming out with those tapes of he and MJ's conversation to promote his book. Which incidently he has written 21 books and this book's proceeds are going to charity. Whatever, these tapes were private and needless to say they were from 9 yrs ago. I am all too certain MJ has changed since 9 yrs ago. I just resent ppl trying to make money off MJ. I do think MJ will comeback in his own time and shock the helotes out of the world. He will have the last say when it's all said and done. Keep the Faith!

You are in my Brain & speaking the same words I thinking ....
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Post by WanaBstartnSthn on Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:32 pm

BTW, it absolutely broke my heart when Michael said he would chose death if it weren't for children and he felt extremely lonely to the point where he had to have mannequins in his home to keep him company. It made me just want to run to him and hug him and tell him "I will be your friend, not because you're Michael Jackson, but because you need a real friend." Michael deserved to have loyal, honest, devoted people in his life and it's so unfair that he never got to experience real friendship (except maybe with Liz).
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by marsheliamorgan on Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:45 pm

luvmjalways, i am just disappointed because i thought SOMEWHERE in this there mite be some slip of or clue or whatever,i dont know,i just didnt think it would leave me feeling like THIS,i know how lonely he must have felt,and how devastated that his help and love of a child would be used against him, its like the saying in the movie, the green mile, THEY USED THEIR OWN LOVE TO DESTROY THEM.they killed them with their love for each other,thats what happened to mj, the media and other users used his love for children AGAINST him, they destroyed his will to live with that.i dont know, dont take offense i am just feeling down tonite
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by annieisnotokey on Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:57 pm

marsheliamorgan wrote:ok, so after watching the dateline special regarding the tapes with the rabbi,i am seriously thinking that IF michael did hoax his death,he is NOT coming back to perform at all, it would be all about helping from behind the scenes,and we will probably,and possibly NOT even know it was really him,. just from what i gathered in that interview and off those tapes,that was the saddest stuff i have ever heard. whats your opinons on this?

My opinion is that MJ not making a comeback is NOT the saddest thing ever. The saddest thing ever is MJ being dead.

If Michael decided to live the rest of his life out the spotlight and he's content about this decision, I'm happy for him.

If he was so hurt and upset that he decided not to lead a public life anymore, aren't we being a little selfish by demanding a comeback?

If we love him as much as we claim we do, shouldn't we be happy he carried out his plan (and not ours)?
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by lovelidae on Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:03 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
marsheliamorgan wrote:ok, so after watching the dateline special regarding the tapes with the rabbi,i am seriously thinking that IF michael did hoax his death,he is NOT coming back to perform at all, it would be all about helping from behind the scenes,and we will probably,and possibly NOT even know it was really him,. just from what i gathered in that interview and off those tapes,that was the saddest stuff i have ever heard. whats your opinons on this?

My opinion is that MJ not making a comeback is NOT the saddest thing ever. The saddest thing ever is MJ being dead.

If Michael decided to live the rest of his life out the spotlight and he's content about this decision, I'm happy for him.

If he was so hurt and upset that he decided not to lead a public life anymore, aren't we being a little selfish by demanding a comeback?

If we love him as much as we claim we do, shouldn't we be happy he carried out his plan (and not ours)?

I couldn't agree more Annie. Most of us just said that we wanted to know that he was alive in the beginning of this, comeback or no comeback.

Personally, I can live with youtube videos and dvd boxed sets for an MJ performance. I just want to know that he is alive and well. Which I believe he is.
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Post by neverlandprincess on Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:13 pm

marsheliamorgan wrote:luvmjalways, i am just disappointed because i thought SOMEWHERE in this there mite be some slip of or clue or whatever,i dont know,i just didnt think it would leave me feeling like THIS,i know how lonely he must have felt,and how devastated that his help and love of a child would be used against him, its like the saying in the movie, the green mile, THEY USED THEIR OWN LOVE TO DESTROY THEM.they killed them with their love for each other,thats what happened to mj, the media and other users used his love for children AGAINST him, they destroyed his will to live with that.i dont know, dont take offense i am just feeling down tonite

I know Marshelia -I am really mixed in my emotions right now. I applauded the rabbi this morning...but I think maybe he should have waited on this. You and I both know that ,just as Meredith was asking manipulative questions, the media is going to twist what little they heard by tomorrow morning. Like when it was represented that MJ had a narcissistic Messiah complex...I didnt feel that. He told the truth-what he said about Madonna not having women feinting and men screaming-that is the truth. What he said about being the first black artist with all races of women screaming-that was true. The power to heal? Love heals-and I believe he loved truly. Also I take into consideration that this was 9 years ago-and I believe after the second trial he had a interview with tv guide where he supposedly said if it had not been for HIS children he would have commited suicide. The new spiritual advisor (thome thome tapes) said he was not attemting to turn around his life-he WAS turning around his life. Everyone says that he seemed to have bounced back...so I do not believe he chose to "die". Not while he had TII,the doc about foster children,The Opus etc. I don't think he was wishing himself dead. "Disapearing"...maybe differant. Maybe to do his humanitarian thing in peace whitout being judged..I dont know where but it might could be done. Again, if he died-I don't believe he died the way we are hearing. It was so sad to hear his sadness...I son't think I will be able to buy it. It really does hurt-but it is the same that we heard in some of his lonliest songs-just like the happiest he looked in concerts or sounded in songs,were the ones having to do with reaching out to children and when children were on stage. I did love hearing him talk about Brooke though (and now we know what the real reason LMP didnt work out).
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by jade jackson on Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:24 pm

MauraMissesMichael wrote:
Sweet1 wrote:I resent Rabbi Smulley for coming out with those tapes of he and MJ's conversation to promote his book. Which incidently he has written 21 books and this book's proceeds are going to charity. Whatever, these tapes were private and needless to say they were from 9 yrs ago. I am all too certain MJ has changed since 9 yrs ago. I just resent ppl trying to make money off MJ. I do think MJ will comeback in his own time and shock the helotes out of the world. He will have the last say when it's all said and done. Keep the Faith!

Michael did these interviews knowing tha the Rabbi was doing these books. Im sorry but this what people NEED to here. This isnt someone cashing in on Michaels death, this is someone bringing light to who he REALLY was and what he REALLY Went through..
People need to understand Michael in order to understand why or if he did this hoax death.. Glorifying him as being this happy holy person all the time will never bring answers to you. Michael suffered, he was hurt and angry and I think is only will for life were his CHILDREN.
He loves his fans yes, but the entertainer is only a SMALL fragment of what he truly he is... I love him even more now. For being human.

I totally applaud what this rabbi is doing.. Yeah and today is 3 months.. hmmm.. Wonder who was behind this info being leaked really? Think about it.. Don't judge.. Try to understand.. IT will all makse sense to you

Two completely points of view...both of them valid. I don't condemn the Rabbi for publishing this material. How could he not? From what I understand, Michael did know the tapes were to be part of, and the subject of, a book. I feel sad, but not angry. I would surely rather read this book than that Taborelli (sp?) book. There is at least some genuine compassion here. I agree...if the hoax is real, then there is a reason these tapes are out there now. They don't harm Michael's image, they only make it easier to sympathize with him...to feel his pain. I don't agree with everything the Rabbi said...but the tapes speak for themselves. This is all getting very real. The part that made me the saddest was when Michael talked about getting old...his fear of it...and his desire not to be visible. All too human and I totally understand it. Still 50 is so young really. Look at Mick Jagger at 60. I feel so sad for Michael. If he is alive, I hope he reads our posts and knows how much he is loved....for himself.
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Post by Willa on Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:33 pm

I just finished watching the Dateline program about Michael’s
interviews with the Rabbi. I feel a
strong sense of sadness about how lonely he could be even though there were so
many people in the world who loved him so much.
His loneliness stemmed from the shyness which was the result of the
devastating abuse he suffered as a child.
Sadly, the world was not aware of the shyness or the trauma that existed
in his life. Michael if you are still on
this earth I hope you know that we do care and if you reach out in friendship
you will find friends.
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by Sweet1 on Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:47 pm

EarthAngel90 wrote:
Sweet1 wrote:I resent Rabbi Smulley for coming out with those tapes of he and MJ's conversation to promote his book. Which incidently he has written 21 books and this book's proceeds are going to charity. Whatever, these tapes were private and needless to say they were from 9 yrs ago. I am all too certain MJ has changed since 9 yrs ago. I just resent ppl trying to make money off MJ. I do think MJ will comeback in his own time and shock the helotes out of the world. He will have the last say when it's all said and done. Keep the Faith!

You are in my Brain & speaking the same words I thinking ....

Thank you EarthAngel90,
I am thankful we think alike. Keep the Faith!
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by Red Velvet on Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:43 pm

WOW I just had to modify and noticed someone else sees this similiarly to me! Laughing Yep, I believe Michael knew Schmuley was going to do this (at some point MJ probably tried to get the tapes back from Schmuley because people change and grow and this was possibly cathartic for MJJ to get this stuff out of him).

I think MJ knew this was going to come out along with all the other garbage people would continue to do and say - and that MJ wanted to 'purge' from the past and public opinion.

Hope that made sense. In other words, I believe MJ is alive and is allowing everything he ever did on tape etc. to come to the surface simply because he felt he had no private life anyway but is going to have one now, for the first time ever.

In the tape MJ said, "please don't write that" and look what we have here, sol, nuff said.

MJ is the smartest man I have ever known of. I know that much. I don't believe he orphaned his kids, layed down and let someone put him to eternal sleep or any of that.

I say it because there are just too many reasons for MJ to have protected himself from the very thing he feared the most, over the longest period of time, plus not leaving his kids and if he didn't want to be a Jehovah Witness, why would he want his kids to be? and as we know we could go on and on ..

I think this (stupid) tape is great because I feel its going according to MJ's prediction (and plan). MJ found out he couldn't trust the Rabbit so he probably said, "let it be".
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by Red Velvet on Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:44 pm

My opinion is that MJ not making a comeback is NOT the saddest thing ever. The saddest thing ever is MJ being dead.

If Michael decided to live the rest of his life out the spotlight and he's content about this decision, I'm happy for him.

If
he was so hurt and upset that he decided not to lead a public life
anymore, aren't we being a little selfish by demanding a comeback?

If we love him as much as we claim we do, shouldn't we be happy he carried out his plan (and not ours)?
God bless you!! Its da trooot!
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Post by Red Velvet on Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:51 pm

Laughing well I have to point out the only part I agree with is that Michael did this knowing the Rabbit would publish it but I have no doubt that he didn't want it done this way.

We have to be committed to reading between the lines. There are a number of ways Rabid Schmuley could have done this without writing a "tell all" book

and I say it because of the way he is going about it. He is making jack-assess out of people who don't see it imo, if we are watching Michael tell him don't publish what he's publishing HELLO??
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Post by Red Velvet on Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:53 pm

OOOOOPS

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Re: after the dateline special

Post by BillieJean on Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:09 pm

I just finished reading the book. It is very sympathetic towards Michael. The Rabbi says a million times that he thought the child molestation stuff was all bogus, that Michael was straight and attracted to women, that Michael was a loving, responsible parent.

The theme he kept returning to in this book was that there were two Michael Jacksons---the sweet, caring boy-genius and the egotistical superstar who craved attention at any cost. The Rabbi felt that the decent, kind, authentic MJ was so filled with loneliness and torment that the "King Of Pop" version kind of took over, with the help of prescription drugs.

It really is a good book. I don't know much about the Rabbi, other than Michael didn't like him later on, but his intentions in helping Michael 9 years ago seem honest.

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Post by Red Velvet on Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:38 pm

My question is what are his intentions with releasing this book now that MJ is "gone" vs. when MJ was here?

I'm guessing that MJ may have changed his mind, considering the fact that Schmuley proved himself untrustworthy during the allegations.

That's why I said MJ may have asked him for the tapes back, and I say that because clearly on the tape MJ says to him, "please don't write that", obviously because he didn't want the world to know it - and there we were, listening to that very thing. MJ realized too late that he couldn't trust Schmuley. He had to have a reason. I just think its a good thing that MJ is probably alive and well and watching all this unfold, just as I'm guessing he probably predicted. I'm sure a lot of people will enjoy the book.

Schmuley has a way of coming off as 'sincere', amid his, imo, insideous underhandedness.
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Post by GirlSaturday on Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:52 pm

Like most, I hope for happy endings. Unfortunately not everyone agrees on what a happy ending should be. Mine is not his. Hers is not yours. Hopefully Michael found HIS happy ending and did so in his own way.

annieisnotokey wrote:
marsheliamorgan wrote:ok, so after watching the dateline special regarding the tapes with the rabbi,i am seriously thinking that IF michael did hoax his death,he is NOT coming back to perform at all, it would be all about helping from behind the scenes,and we will probably,and possibly NOT even know it was really him,. just from what i gathered in that interview and off those tapes,that was the saddest stuff i have ever heard. whats your opinons on this?

My opinion is that MJ not making a comeback is NOT the saddest thing ever. The saddest thing ever is MJ being dead.

If Michael decided to live the rest of his life out the spotlight and he's content about this decision, I'm happy for him.

If he was so hurt and upset that he decided not to lead a public life anymore, aren't we being a little selfish by demanding a comeback?

If we love him as much as we claim we do, shouldn't we be happy he carried out his plan (and not ours)?
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by spider monkey on Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:35 am

i don't believe that this should have been published without Michael listening to the tapes all over again, and deciding if he still feels the same way after 9 years, or if he would really want to talk about such things publicly.

i think Schmuley has been very judgmental of MJ in the past, and when i read above that he is now saying that he believed the molestation charges were bogus, then he's clearly lying. i have quoted some of his judgmental statements in another thread. clearly, there was no support for Michael there.
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Post by Red Velvet on Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:55 am

he is now saying that he believed the
molestation charges were bogus, then he's clearly lying. i have quoted
some of his judgmental statements in another thread. clearly, there was
no support for Michael there.
Clearly IMO he is marketing to MJ FANS! WE ARE A TARGET MARKET. The more FANS who say they like this book the more successful Schmuley is with the #1 form of advertising on the face of the earth - word of mouth.

He used the #2 most effective form of advertising - TELEVISION during PRIME TIME and even had the nerve to play the tape of Michael saying, "please don't write that".

They are out to make a KILLING on MJ - just like they tried to do in other ways - with him fully alive...and by "they" I mean all of those who have proven that they will do anything for money.

Are we to believe Schmuley would come across as anything BUT sincere?

Please. He is afterall, a so-called "Rabbi".

*leaves suddenly to go and throw up*
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Post by spider monkey on Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:16 am

had the nerve to play the tape of Michael saying, "please don't write that".

^ let's throw up together
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Post by Red Velvet on Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:23 am


*bends over dual toilet with spidermonkey*







"I feel better do you?"
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Post by spider monkey on Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:46 am

LOL i do, too...he is nauseating

i'm all for presenting the other side of Michael Jackson, the human. it helps to form a realistic picture of the superstar we idolize. in fact, some of the interviews coming out now seem to be pointing to that. good or bad, they just show that he's human just like the next person. even the little comments he was making about his family on tape. we accept without judgment, and try to understand where he's coming from.

not like this rabbi
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Post by Harleyblonde on Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:06 am

Just a thought but has it occured to anyone that MJ could be NOW pushing the Rabbi to disclose these things? I think as a very charitable man and the fact that he is not getting any financial gain from all this puts him in a different category to many of MJs friends and even possibly family. Is it possible MJ want him to do this and is instructing him to do it now? Wishful thinking maybe or could it be possible?
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by marsheliamorgan on Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:13 am

My opinion is that MJ not making a comeback is NOT the saddest thing ever. The saddest thing ever is MJ being dead.


annienotthekey: I DIDNT MEAN saddest thing referring to him not coming back,or performing, I MEANT all his feelings and lonliness on the tapes THATS the saddest things i have ever heard. for someone to have to feel like that,its beyond my understanding,i cant imagine being that sad and hurt, and I know i am sure it goes on everyday,lets face it,there are neglectful parents,and children whom are beaten,and tortured etc. it just makes me so mad and angry that this type of injustice and wrong goes on and yet,obviously,whatever we are doing as punishment WHEN they have killed the child,ITS NOT working as if IT WERE we wouldnt have the same type cases and if punishment were working IT WOULDNT CONTINUE thats all i am saying,the harsh realites of life sometimes really do shock me and i cant stand to think someone has all that pain thats what i was saying as for michael coming back to perform ,i dont care, either way,it would be lovely,but,i think he needs to be happy and live his own life.
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Post by MJFoReVeRandAlways on Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:21 am

annieisnotokey wrote:
marsheliamorgan wrote:ok, so after watching the dateline special regarding the tapes with the rabbi,i am seriously thinking that IF michael did hoax his death,he is NOT coming back to perform at all, it would be all about helping from behind the scenes,and we will probably,and possibly NOT even know it was really him,. just from what i gathered in that interview and off those tapes,that was the saddest stuff i have ever heard. whats your opinons on this?

My opinion is that MJ not making a comeback is NOT the saddest thing ever. The saddest thing ever is MJ being dead.

If Michael decided to live the rest of his life out the spotlight and he's content about this decision, I'm happy for him.

If he was so hurt and upset that he decided not to lead a public life anymore, aren't we being a little selfish by demanding a comeback?

If we love him as much as we claim we do, shouldn't we be happy he carried out his plan (and not ours)?

Nothing else to add. Right on what I´m thinking. This has been my opinion since day 1. I only wish he is alive and well, and everything else is just second.
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by WanaBstartnSthn on Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:41 am

@Harley, I agree with you I think Michael told Rabbi to release the tapes. Just like with the Pepsi accident
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by GirlSaturday on Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:43 am

There are few times in a person's life when he (or she) can gain the spotlight and earn huge sums of money. Unfortunately this is one of those times for many who knew Michael or those who want the public to believe that they knew him. As noted before, I am just overwhelmed that Michael could not talk on the phone or conduct a one-on-one conversation without someone pressing the "record" button.

This period wll go down in history. Sadly, we ain't seen nothing yet. The show has only started to reveal all of the leeches and bloodsuckers. Hold on kiddies...the ride is about to get real bumpy.

Red Velvet wrote:
he is now saying that he believed the
molestation charges were bogus, then he's clearly lying. i have quoted
some of his judgmental statements in another thread. clearly, there was
no support for Michael there.
Clearly IMO he is marketing to MJ FANS! WE ARE A TARGET MARKET. The more FANS who say they like this book the more successful Schmuley is with the #1 form of advertising on the face of the earth - word of mouth.

He used the #2 most effective form of advertising - TELEVISION during PRIME TIME and even had the nerve to play the tape of Michael saying, "please don't write that".

They are out to make a KILLING on MJ - just like they tried to do in other ways - with him fully alive...and by "they" I mean all of those who have proven that they will do anything for money.

Are we to believe Schmuley would come across as anything BUT sincere?

Please. He is afterall, a so-called "Rabbi".

*leaves suddenly to go and throw up*
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by marsheliamorgan on Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:54 am

could this have been one reason for liza's comment about ALL HELL BREAKING LOOSE?just a thought,look at all the people that have come out of the woodwork with taped conversations and such things as that,could this type of thing possibly be what she was referring to,AND how to know if possibly michael told him to release these tapes and write the book,in interview he ALSO says,"there was michael jackson the boy from indianna and then there was the KING OF POP," perhaps,as someone on a different thread commented about the burial,the crown from the children being placed on the casket WAS A GOODBYE TO THE KING OF POP,not michael jackson?
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by GirlSaturday on Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:28 pm

I am inclined to believe that Michael Jackson would like to leave behind one or more of his past persona's.

marsheliamorgan wrote:could this have been one reason for liza's comment about ALL HELL BREAKING LOOSE?just a thought,look at all the people that have come out of the woodwork with taped conversations and such things as that,could this type of thing possibly be what she was referring to,AND how to know if possibly michael told him to release these tapes and write the book,in interview he ALSO says,"there was michael jackson the boy from indianna and then there was the KING OF POP," perhaps,as someone on a different thread commented about the burial,the crown from the children being placed on the casket WAS A GOODBYE TO THE KING OF POP,not michael jackson?
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:31 pm

"could this have been one reason for liza's comment about ALL HELL BREAKING LOOSE?"

YES...!

:~ MICHAEL = L.O.V.E. ~:
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by GirlSaturday on Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:25 pm

Unless all proceeds from book sales go to charity, the Rabbi is receiving financial gains.

According to the Rabbi, the release of the book is according to Michael's wishes. We just have to hope that statement is true.

Harleyblonde wrote:Just a thought but has it occured to anyone that MJ could be NOW pushing the Rabbi to disclose these things? I think as a very charitable man and the fact that he is not getting any financial gain from all this puts him in a different category to many of MJs friends and even possibly family. Is it possible MJ want him to do this and is instructing him to do it now? Wishful thinking maybe or could it be possible?
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by amber on Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:49 pm

harley i agree with you, i wondered if its just poss that this is mj's wishes
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by Confused on Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:07 pm

I'm not sure about this guy. Why didn't he write the book and make the tapes public when he was still alive if he had permission? Probably because Michael didn't want them released. As soon as he dies this guys comes with the tapes. Michael had a real reason to distrust people around him and this guy is just another reason. I feel so bad for Michael that he always had to find out the hard way. And just because this guy doesn't sound like Joe Jackson doesn't mean he is to be trusted. This is probably why Michael fel for it in the beginning. He sounded sincere. Reading some of the things this Rabbi said before he comes across like a backstabber just like the rest of them.
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by Red Velvet on Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:01 pm

GirlSaturday wrote:Unless all proceeds from book sales go to charity, the Rabbi is receiving financial gains.

According to the Rabbi, the release of the book is according to Michael's wishes. We just have to hope that statement is true.

Harleyblonde wrote:Just a thought but has it occured to anyone that MJ could be NOW pushing the Rabbi to disclose these things? I think as a very charitable man and the fact that he is not getting any financial gain from all this puts him in a different category to many of MJs friends and even possibly family. Is it possible MJ want him to do this and is instructing him to do it now? Wishful thinking maybe or could it be possible?
What was Schmuley's statement? When/How did he say the book is according to Michael's wishes?
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by spider monkey on Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:29 pm

i would suppose that these taped convos happened when the Rabbi still had MJ's trust, before the fall-out. i think the situation has changed drastically since then. i also think it would have been prudent of the Rabbi to edit his presentation, so that for instance, the comment about Madonna could be left out, which is, IMO, totally unnecessary and could taint Madonna's memory of MJ. it's sensationalism. "Please don't write that" and yet putting it out there for all to hear is a breach of confidence, for me, and speaks of a lack of respect for MJ. so i really doubt his motives.

from the perspective that MJ is alive, we could also consider the fact that a week or so before this book is advertised, Dieter Weisner came out with MJ's list, where the Rabbi is included, along with Uri. as i mentioned in another thread, this could be MJ's way of telling us not to patronize this book. just my 2 cents
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by hungry on Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:42 pm

spider monkey wrote:i would suppose that these taped convos happened when the Rabbi still had MJ's trust, before the fall-out
There was a fall-out? Who? What? Where? When? Why? How?
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by neverlandprincess on Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:30 pm

spider monkey wrote:i don't believe that this should have been published without Michael listening to the tapes all over again, and deciding if he still feels the same way after 9 years, or if he would really want to talk about such things publicly.

i think Schmuley has been very judgmental of MJ in the past, and when i read above that he is now saying that he believed the molestation charges were bogus, then he's clearly lying. i have quoted some of his judgmental statements in another thread. clearly, there was no support for Michael there.

Sorry whats the other thread? I also was concerned after thinking over the special-that after 9 years these counseling sessions were not reflective of the most recent MJ. I know that the statement made will be twisted(we all do)Meredith was already doing it. I would want to believe that he is doing if for the right reason,and he may think that he is...but this was not the way to redeem Michael,at least not now.
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by spider monkey on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:03 pm

he was MJ's spiritual adviser and they did have a fall-out sometime after the taped convos. he was 'deleted' from MJ's inner circle, and its accompanying privileges, and he had been sullying MJ's reputation since then. in one MJ docu, he was actually there talking about telling Michael not to bleach his skin anymore, and how MJ just turned away without saying anything. this man is so self-righteous and put MJ down for not following his advice. he didn't believe MJ had vitiligo, and just gave unsolicited advice without knowing the facts first - either that, or he actually didn't believe MJ when he admitted to having vitiligo.

during the trial, schmuley shared part of the tapes with media. it was a good part about MJ's unconditional love for children, which schmuley said was inspiring. in the same breath, he said that although he believed MJ would be acquitted of this one case, he didn't know if MJ was a child molester in general. so his motive for sharing the tape was self-advertising.

MJ did agree to being taped - supposedly, it was for a book on parenting. but there were speculations that some of the convos were taped secretly by schmuley. i suppose these are the parts that have nothing to do with parenting. and maybe that is why he could not release them at any time before june 25 09 - because he knew there was invasion of privacy, and he could be sued.

here is another old article, about what happened to Heal the Kids, which MJ started with schmuley. apparently, the donations went to schmuley's pockets. scroll down a bit for the article.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,49808,00.html

and yet through all this, MJ didn't speak bad about schmuley. it was always schmuley saying something negative about MJ. except now, when we saw his black list, which originated from Germany's (Germany is the key LOL) Dieter Wiesner.
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by neverlandprincess on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:10 pm

OMG....I am tearing up right now-I think I know who this guy is now-I'm gonna go look on the HTW site-I wondered when I heard "rabbi" but I was not sure.

"he didn't believe MJ had vitiligo, and just gave unsolicited advice without knowing the facts first - either that, or he actually didn't believe MJ when he admitted to having vitiligo".

Why? Why
was this so hard to believe? I also noted in the interview he said he told him to stop having plastic surgery....but this was 9 years ago -MJ didnt look that differant at the time and this guy was his advisor for two years-are we supposed to believe that while he was soooo depressed he was in the hospital having something fixed all the time...mmmm.
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by Sweet1 on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:18 pm

I must say that if the Rabbi was such a wonderful friend of MJ's whether or not they had a fall out he would have published this book long before now with MJ's yeah/nay of what could be published. Does anyone out there have any sense of loyality anymore? Even if MJ told him to release the tapes the Rabbi had the opportunity to decline. Just my opinion! Keep the Faith!


GirlSaturday wrote:There are few times in a person's life when he (or she) can gain the spotlight and earn huge sums of money. Unfortunately this is one of those times for many who knew Michael or those who want the public to believe that they knew him. As noted before, I am just overwhelmed that Michael could not talk on the phone or conduct a one-on-one conversation without someone pressing the "record" button.

This period wll go down in history. Sadly, we ain't seen nothing yet. The show has only started to reveal all of the leeches and bloodsuckers. Hold on kiddies...the ride is about to get real bumpy.

Red Velvet wrote:
he is now saying that he believed the
molestation charges were bogus, then he's clearly lying. i have quoted
some of his judgmental statements in another thread. clearly, there was
no support for Michael there.
Clearly IMO he is marketing to MJ FANS! WE ARE A TARGET MARKET. The more FANS who say they like this book the more successful Schmuley is with the #1 form of advertising on the face of the earth - word of mouth.

He used the #2 most effective form of advertising - TELEVISION during PRIME TIME and even had the nerve to play the tape of Michael saying, "please don't write that".

They are out to make a KILLING on MJ - just like they tried to do in other ways - with him fully alive...and by "they" I mean all of those who have proven that they will do anything for money.

Are we to believe Schmuley would come across as anything BUT sincere?

Please. He is afterall, a so-called "Rabbi".

*leaves suddenly to go and throw up*
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Post by neverlandprincess on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:28 pm

Yep...Melisa Johnson God bless her and keep her as she tries to save HTW


QUESTION: Ok, so some asked why does the charity not have www.healtheworld.org? instead it has www.healtheworld.us and htwf.org?
ANSWER: Good question, first, because Rabbi Boteach was more concerned about his 'book deals' in 2001, than taking care of the one single initiative he was given by Mr. Jackson at the time.
He was also entrusted with control of the three precious domain names of the charity. www.healtheworld.com, net and org.
He let all three expire and although I tried to save the names, they were squatted and bought by another charity trying to exploit Mr. Jackson's brand.
However, tell the fans that HTWF owns nearly every other HTWF extension there is, nearly two thousand charity names, for all the initiatives that we have been collecting and preserving since 2001.
Names like htwf.org, healtheworldfoundation.org, healtheworld.us etc.
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Re: after the dateline special

Post by spider monkey on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:35 pm

neverlandprincess wrote:
Sorry whats the other thread? I also was concerned after thinking over the special-that after 9 years these counseling sessions were not reflective of the most recent MJ. I know that the statement made will be twisted(we all do)Meredith was already doing it. I would want to believe that he is doing if for the right reason,and he may think that he is...but this was not the way to redeem Michael,at least not now.

hi neverlandprincess, here are some quotes

http://mjkit.forumotion.net/news-and-odd-things-f8/rabbi-schmuley-on-mj-s-enemy-list-t1717.htm
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Post by Red Velvet on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:42 pm

Does anyone have any clarity on when it was that Michael told him to release the tapes/book?
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Post by neverlandprincess on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:46 pm

Red Velvet wrote:Does anyone have any clarity on when it was that Michael told him to release the tapes/book?

No thats what I am starting to wonder,,,,at first I thought the rabbi said the intention was for his fans to understand him-then he said the intention was for a book for parents on how to appreciate their children. I think he said they were supposed to be released but because of the trial they were not-HOWEVER he left Mike,was it,right AFTER that trial-or DURING....right when he needed him. I don't think he would have wanted them out there after the falling out-not in Schmulleys hands anyway.
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Post by ksrbw on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:57 pm

what i find fascinating about this is that it contradicts what Madonna siad at the VMA's, like someone didn't want us to think that Michael and her was close. Just a thought.
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Post by neverlandprincess on Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:04 pm

Mmmm-well Madonna did not say they were close-her whole speech was like an ode to "what could have been close". I felt like she may feel guilty -just as LMP put out her blog,which was good,but it was more about her feeling guilty for not being there or "saving" him (probably for feeding the press more fodder) then it was about him.
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