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Post by Admin on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:01 pm

UPDATE: 1st update, to be
continued. I can’t believe this theory still stands. (but it’s also funny to
see that my Sexy Mike BAD-Girl topic has more replies, you are naughty girls!) I
have posted this theory a while ago without really believing in it, but as time
has passed, I’m starting to believe more and more that this could be it! I hope
I can update it again in a week or so, but I also will try to get sort of a
social life back upcoming week LOL.






So, here is my theory and the reason why I asked you guys about
non-postponed tickets for July (or even the rest of 2009).
It´s quite a long story, because I will also post all my
findings and extra comment to back/up my theory. English is not my first
language and I had to translate my notes from Dutch to English, so i I make any
mistakes, please don´t shoot me, but teach me . And if something isn't clear,
please ask.
First of all, I want to say that I'm still not sure there
is a hoax, I just like the thought of it and the story turnes out to be too
weird. He might be dead for real IMO, but in that case I think Arnold the
Terminator should fire the paramedics, the coroner's office employees and the
whole bunch of the LAPD for not doing their job right!

The theory:
I remember seeing an interview with Michael with Geraldo
saying he wanted to make a movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImqsGbaNOpE
. As we all know, MJ is a perfectionist and wouldn’t make just a normal movie,
he would make it the biggest ever. Reality soaps are hot, why not make an international
reality movie where everybody could play a role in? Look at us, we are already
inside this movie for 6 weeks! (BTW: you
should really watch the whole interview with Geraldo, I think it’s great!)

July 21, 2009 there was the following article:
Film producer Sony will be releasing a movie in
cooperation with AEG Live about the deceased pop star Michael Jackson: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=57288





Sony
Close to Michael Jackson Film Deal



Source: Variety


July 20, 2009





Sony Pictures is close to a deal to make a feature film on Michael Jackson
drawing on the 80 hours of rehearsal footage filmed for concerts Jackson was
preparing to perform in London, reports Variety.

The studio is expected to pay more than $50 million for worldwide rights to AEG
Entertainment, which owns the footage and showed it to studios last week.

The film will feature at least three videos, including an alternative version
of Jackson's "Thriller," which were shot to be interstitial
programming during the London concerts. The footage was meant to play in 3-D,
but it's unclear as yet whether the feature film will present it that way.

"High School Musical" director Kenny Ortega, who shot the rehearsal
footage, is expected to direct the feature, and sources said he's already
beginning to put together the footage so Sony can release the film before
year's end.

Sony Pictures' sibling company Sony Music Entertainment owns music publishing
rights to Jackson's songs.






The film about Michael is supposed to be in theaters by the end of this
year (we now know it's October 30) So movie? In theaters?
Sony (MJ was still having a contract with Sony)???
That's when I thought of my theory, and I think it would
explain everything and all the BS we’ve been reading in the media. Here is the
list I have so far with all the things that IMO don't add up. I know there is
more, but I deleted the things that could also be explained otherwise, or
things like: “he's killed by the Illuminati” or “He is with Elvis”, because I
really don't believe in that.

Prior to MJ's death:

January 2009: The Enquirer gives MJ 6 months to live.
This is where the movie starts. People need to think he's
ill and unfit. If he would die this year, people would have ‘seen it coming’
and nobody would look into it that much.

March 5th 2009:
MJ's press
conference at the O2 – London announcing the This is it – Tour for July.
Wasn't he supposed to be very ill? After 8 years MJ will
have a major comeback, why on stage? Why not release an album, and then arrange
a tour. He also was supposed to tour with the Jacksons, so the new tour didn't
make sense. This announcement was only to get him back in the spotlights, so
everyone would follow him on this, certainly since everybody thinks he's that
ill he could drop dead any minute. Otherwise the media would miss too many
details. Using a double makes sense, because people would think he's too ill to
come himself. That's why the O2 guy had such strange manners, we needed to
think he wasn't real. So IMO it could also be MJ himself, acting this strange
on purpose… (you're still following me?)

Instead of 10 concerts, there will be 50!!
WTF! He couldn't do 50 concerts?!! They already think he
couldn't do 10! And again, he's all over the news.

March 14, 2009: Examiner.com reports that MJ
recently recorded 100 songs his kids will inherit. They could only be released
after MJ died.
What a coincidence!! He is that ill that he is talking
about his inheritance already! How could the guy ever go on stage?

May 20, 2009: The auditions for the dancers of the
This is It tour are finished.
The tour was supposed to start on July 8/ July 13. 6 weeks
seems to be a bit short to prepare such a big show with that many dance steps.
Or do they have enough time? I have searched for people who had tickets for
July, haven’t found anyone yet, besides people who had tickets for the concert
that was postponed to March 2010… Maybe there weren't any tickets for July?
Maybe no tickets at all for 2009? Maybe there weren’t that much tickets sold,
maybe only some dates, the postponed ones and maybe one that will be refunded,
so it wouldn’t look fishy to someone. 1 concert is doable for refunding, these
are just production costs. Keep in mind that the tour would cost $27.000.000,00.

June 3, 2009: Michael Jackson says he didn't know
he had to do 50 concerts instead of 10. He says he's not fit enough for it. How
the hell is it possible that the whole world knows about the 50 gigs, and he
himself didn't? Of course he knew, the guy is a genius, nor a moron! It's just
feeding the theory that he is unable to perform and not even able to decide for
himself. Again! MJ in the news.

The day MJ 'died'?:
June 25, 2009: In the early morning there is a close-down
at LAX. Mystery man leaves with mystery plane. Airport employees are being told
to ignore the plane: http://www.flightstats.com/go/Airport/delays.do?airportCode=LAX&airportQueryDate=2009-06-25


Around midday Dr. Murray finds MJ in bed/ sees MJ collapse in bedroom/
in living room with/without Prince I. However, he tries to resuscitate him ON
THE BED, every doctor (and almost everyone else on this planet earth) knows you
have to do CPR on a flat and hard surface. Finally he waits 45 minutes before
calling 911, because he didn't know the address??? He came there by car,
driving himself, multiple times a week for a while, and he didn’t know the
address? Total time for MJ without oxygen: 30 minutes in the house, 5 minutes
before the ambulance arrived, 30 minutes in the house with the paramedics, 5
minutes on the way to the hospital and 1 hour in the hospital. A total of about
2 to 2.5 hours. Then they finally pronounce him dead…. When having a cardiac
arrest the chances of the patient will reduce by 10% every minute…. What were
they trying to bring back to life? A vegetable?

The 911-call: MJ's bodyguard “Tippy” Alverez is our
911-caller. He talked to the police 1 time and vanished into thin air. His wife
doesn't know when he will be coming back. Why did the 911-guy answering the
phone hang up before the paramedics arrived? That's not standard procedure.
I bet Alvarez's with MJ, after all, he is his bodyguard
and if MJ's really alive and kicking, he would need his bodyguard.

Is the 911-call real? It could be a fake. Who tells us the
audio really came from the 911? Maybe they have recorded it themselves. If you
compare the 911-call with other (real) 911-call, you hear that in this call the
caller sounds very clear, while the 911-guy sounds a bit blurry. With real
calls it’s the other way around, so IMO it’s fake.
But then why isn't someone from 911 speaking out it was a
fake? I think because they knew. They know about the project and that's why
they keep their mouth shut. Maybe people have been paid, but I don't think so.
If you could be a part of this big thing, would you talk? I wouldn't! They don’t
have to lie, just stay silent.

The Ambulance: Why leaving the property backwards?
Why not make a turn on the roundabout in front of the house? He had 30 minutes
to turn it. I know why! Otherwise people would have asked why they were driving
so slow, with MJ in the back without a heartbeat? Now they could drive slowly
(who would think about the roundabout if you don't know how the house looked
like?) so the guy had time enough to make his famous picture.
Rumor has it that MJ was dead before they got him into the
ambulance. That would make sense because of the time he was out of oxygen and
heartbeat already. But when you look at the (1 and only (or was it 2 ?)
ambulance picture, MJ looks quite alive. He's frowning, his vain on his
forehead is popping up (seems difficult to me when the heart isn't pumping your
blood anymore), he has a good color (if he was really out of oxygen for almost
an hour, he certainly would have turned grey/blue). He also looks too young
(around mid-30's). This picture could have been an old one (MJ had stunts in
the past with an ambulance) and it could be a wax doll. Anyway, IMO: it's not Michael
Jackson-2009. BUT we need to believe it's him, that's why there IS a picture.
The guy making it was a good friend of MJ, maybe he made the picture before,
with the red car in the window reflecting on purpose. They could have planted
the red car on the 25th, so the picture would look real. They can say now “of
course the picture is real, look at the red car in the reflection! If you look
at our video, that we also made, you can clearly see the red car. (We haven't
filmed it very steady of course, otherwise you guys would have seen that the
ambulance turned the other way, so the car wasn't anywhere near the window!)”
And the paramedic, WTF is he doing??? CPR on his collarbone?
Another thing someone mentioned in the chat is also a good point: where is the
police? Police should respond to that 911-call too and they are nowhere near
the mansion… I think they are all actors and the ambulance is MJ's. I remember
him having one. And who were following in the black SUV's? Bodyguards of course,
to stand around the body when it's taken out of the ambulance at the hospital,
so CNN couldn’t make a photo. Otherwise maybe we would have seen it wasn't MJ.

The hospital: We don't know much about the
hospital. We haven't seen any doctors speaking about it, why are they trying to
bring back a guy that has been dead for about 30 minutes minimum? Nobody of UCLA
talked to the press, not a word. Why not? Because they haven't seen anything.
The dept. was closed before he arrived, only a few people were allowed to get
in. Why? Because only few people knew about the project. Look at a part of the
transcript from Larry King’s interview with Frank Dileo:


DILEO: I don't know. I said to
Randy, geez, I think he's alive. We have

a shot here he'll be OK. When the nurse came out and I
looked at her
and she looked at me, I almost fainted.
KING: Because she said —



DILEO: She just looked at me and
said he's not going to make it. He's

gone. But we'll keep working on him until his
mother gets here.

Question: since when are nurses allowed to make
statements like that? I thought that only doctors

could. Nurses shouldn't say anything. And WTF,
work on a dead body until his mother arrives? hmmmmm

KING: Who finally told you he was
dead?



DILEO: That nurse did.
Again, big thing for A NURSE to say, where is
the doctor in this story??



(if you want to read the whole
transcript: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/transcripts-of-frank-dileo-at-larry-king-live&value=sf%25members%252%25user452&search=1&ret=all
)




Then there is the ride/flight to the morgue. By
helicopter, why that? Because it isn’t weird for a helicopter to fly with open
doors. A coroners van with the doors open should be looking a lot stranger,
don't you think? They wanted us to see the body. Otherwise CNN wouldn't film
and they would have missed a big part of the movie.
The 'moving' body didn't move itself, it was lifted to get
it on a small plank to get it out of the helicopter. It looks like it's lifted
by one guy with one hand. MJ isn't very heavy, but I think it’s quite hard to
lift a dead body that weighs almost 60 kilo's. When they get it out of the
helicopter into the van, they are lifting it again with one hand by the neck,
and drop it on the floor. That's not very professional? No, because they're not
professionals! They are actors and haven't got a clue how to handle a dead
body! One of the guys didn't even wear gloves. That's a bit strange if you are
a professional, because you would know that there is a risk of leaking fluids
from the body.


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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Admin on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:01 pm

The autopsy/toxic's rapport and Death certificate: 1st autopsy:
no result back yet, just rumors spread by the media. 2nd autopsy: same story.
Toxic's rapport: another mystery. Death certificate: not valid, a copy and not
signed, says MJ graduated from high school which he didn’t and had the home
address of his mother on it, not the place he was actually living. Everyone
could have made it. Ed Winter is the only one that made a statement from the
coroner's office. I think they were informed about the project, same with the
LAPD. If you keep delaying and keep saying “I cannot comment on that”, there's
also nothing to lie about. Just a few words for one of the biggest movies ever
made. We're investigating the death of Mr. Jackson could also mean: “We're
investigating if Mr. Jackson actually did die.” As long as you keep delaying,
the focus will be on the case and the story can continue. Ed also seems to gain
all the medical records from MJ himself, and loses them! I am very curious what
will be the next thing that will disappear. What I just don't understand is that they did 2
autopsies right after his death, but it lasts a WHOLE MONTH to let them
questioning the time of death. I don't get that. Can't they tell by the body-/
liver temperature when a person actually died? If they pronounced him dead at
2.26 and he really would have dies before 9.30, wouldn't his body temp be a few
degrees lower? So why work on him for an hour?

The LAPD: didn't seal the scene directly, but
waited 4 days. In the meanwhile, everybody could get stuff in and out of the
house. Also when it would become a “murder investigation”, there will be no
case against the doctor, because the evidence is unreliable, it could have been
planted. Also they had not made an official statement on the case: http://www.showbiz411.com/lapd-michael-jackson-true-not?e1296740
Look at the 1st phrase: “All the reports we’ve read and heard
about Michael Jackson’s death, so far: untrue.” If you search the website of
the LAPD for Michael Jackson, you get this: http://www.lapd.com/search/, just
articles.

The Memorial: Wow what a circus. No tears, no close
friends (maybe they are with him, as we know that Liz was packing at the moment
she heard the news), a lot of acting, clues as we already discussed in other
topics, kids bored, everyone on stage looking up to a point at the other side
of the centre (Michael's directing room?), a closed casket because MJ's face
would have been too damaged from the CPR, while Jermaine said that Michael
looked like Michael in the hospital after he died. And then there is (IMO) a
live performance of our beloved King of Pop at the end of Will you be there.
WITH a small mistake in the text, so the real MJ-fans would notice. Because
that's what they want obviously. Why was this website online that fast? The
first 2 days I really thought he was dead. Now there is this site where MJ-fans
can talk to each other, figuring out the clues that we were given. Keeping the
movie running together with the media. It's almost 2 months since he died, and
still he hasn't been buried. Why not? Because they want us to keep talking
about it! Look at all the clues in the memorial: Barry Gordy and others talking
about the “King of entertainment” (look at PT Barnum information later in the
post), the new recording of the spoken text of “Will you be there”, the lyrics “No
more crying when we are going to see the king” and No more dying pain we are
going to see the king by the gospel choir, Jermaine’s oops in Smile: Light up
your face with sadness, hide every trace of gladness and Michael’s last picture
on the screen as the director in Liberian Girl with the text: I’m alive and I
am here forever. It’s a wrap! Also there is footage of LaToya speaking after
the memorial: “I just wanted you all to know that, you have been very, very supportive.
And as you well know, Michael loved his fans more than anybody else. He has
always said that his family is first and his fans are second. And I know that
he is so happy that you’re here supporting him and he’s watching every last one
of you. I just want to thank you all for being here for him, he loves you very very
much, thank you.”

The body: Is still missing! It's a 6 weeks since he
died, but no burial yet! The media says he was full of needle marks on the autopsy
table, bald, missing his nose! Come on, what a BS! Statement of the coroner's
office: nothing of that info is from this office. No, they don't have a body,
so also no info. Again: no lies, just not telling the whole story.
People close to MJ say he didn't use drugs, then suddenly
they say he was. Again: keeping the story alive. His family claims they don't
know where the body is. I think they are telling the truth, because MJ is
hiding until he can come back. Last news I heard was that his brains were
returned to the family, in a carton box (FedEx or UPS?)

The Family: La Toya is bitchy as ever, Jermaine has
experience with making a movie, he already made one about Michael's early days,
this would be a great sequel. Joe can only talk about his new label. He wants
to release the MJ Blu-rays. All the brothers and sisters and the parents tell
different stories. Sure, that's to feed us. We are a part of the movie, we are
the investigators. Michael wants his fans to play a role too, cause he leaves
clues everywhere.

The kids: Were introduced about a week prior to
MJ's death, why?? He wanted them to wear masks for 13 years? Why now expose
them to the press? Because if he didn't show them first, maybe we wouldn't
believe they were really his kids. And where are the kids going? To grandma? To
Debbie? To Arnold? To Janet? To Jermaine? No, not a good idea, they are all in
the spotlights. Let's think: Yeah! Rebbie of course! I didn't even knew she existed,
so that's a perfect place for the kids NOT to be (IMO: they are with Michael).
The custody case was delayed, then Debbie made a deal with Katherine? Why?
Because when she was going to get annoying, they had to tell her that there was
nothing to worry about, because Michael would still raise them himself, they
had to tell her about the project. The hearing on August 3 was a cracker. We
just watched boring and fat reporters outside the courthouse but never saw 1
picture from the inside or even from someone leaving the courthouse. We heard
nothing new there. Want to read our thoughts at that moment, look at the tread:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/live-michael-jackson-estate-court-case&value=sf%25members%252%25user452&search=1&ret=all.
See how Harvey is so kind to wait for me before continuing the crap. At this
point 2 dogs are fighting for the bone: Arnold Klein and Mark Lester both think
they are father of MJ’s kid(s). How convenient! A new story to keep us busy.

Dr. Conrad Murray: Is the prime suspect of the
murder investigation, and yet can leave state? The police will wait 4 weeks
before they raid his clinic, Google dr. Murray and you'll find him twice, but
sometimes he is born in 1953, sometimes in 1958. They screwed up while they
created him. If you search for pictures of him, you'll only find 1. Sometimes a
close-up from the head, sometimes the whole guy, but always the same picture.
How is it possible that TMZ.com has all the news, stalks everyone that has
something to do with it, are having a live broadcast from the raid, but haven't
been able to get the guy on camera?? That's quite strange IMO! I think Dr.
Murray is a non-existing person. The photo could have been created (look at the
furniture, looks a little cheap for a well-paid doctor), maybe it's even MJ in
one of his disguises. How nice of TMZ to give us a few more pictures. 4 of them
from the lawyer’s office, definitely staged and a photo shopped one with some
exotic girls and cocktails. Up to this moment Murray has been accused and
convicted already my the media, but there are no charges against this man so
far, according to the LAPD. I also found this: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/dr-conrad-murray-or-dr-rawle-andrews-jr&value=sf%25members%252%25user452&search=1&ret=all


The Media: TMZ.com seems to know everything first.
Why? I think they are using TMZ as The Brickman (see PT Barnum info below).
Maybe LaToya or one of the others is leaking information to them. I would
believe them too, if I were TMZ, because it would be first-hand info. Maybe MJ
wants his revenge on the gossip-site, letting them made a fool of themselves.
Or they are being paid to release info about MJ and there
in on this.
Why isn't the media questioning his death? Why would they
if the family is telling them MJ's dead? Why make a fool of yourself? That's
why CNN or any other reliable newssite isn't questioning it. They also don't
get the info that TMZ gets, so they could think TMZ is making everything up,
like they mostly do. So no risk there. Everything I have read in the media was
coming from unknown sources and pictures are fake.


AEG Live/footage: They claim to have over 100 hours
of HD footage. Now I know that someone was filming the Jackson family too in
2009, a sort of a reality-soap, was that AEG too? Probably you will see the preparations
on this hoax on that footage. They say they will release a movie about Michael
Jackson, not just the rehearsals, so what else? I think we will know on the
30th of October.

Keep in mind:
There is no law-breaking yet, he's not officially dead and
there s no insurance money claimed.
The news about Elvis' Death possibly being a hoax was on
June 25, 1979, exactly 30 years prior to the 'Death' of MJ. Do your research on
the death/hoax of Elvis and compare…..
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Guest on Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:15 pm

I agree with your theory. Too many conflicting stories and no police officials are talking about the case such as Anna Nicole and Heath Ledger (they had the toxicology reports back quite early.

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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by EarthAngel90 on Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:56 am

I agree with Topper1912 ...
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Post by flory24 on Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:25 am

i agree with topper1912 too
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:30 am

Its all BS. They have an intricate timeline on when and how to release info to the media. When they saw us asking questions on MJHD, they figured they'd better release that piece of info so as to not look suspicious. Well, they already do....
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by MJbeliever on Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:12 am

i really hope this turns out to be true and he's still alive. Sad
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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:52 pm

I do feel that all of this is part of the movie so all I can do is keep the faith and go by instincts.

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Post by ballongiraf on Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:10 pm

there's too many inconsistencies and BS going on for me to believe that he indeed died.....
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by endlessfire on Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:17 pm

sorry, but i'm a little slow sometimes...what movie theory?
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by DawneVee on Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:07 pm

endlessfire wrote:sorry, but i'm a little slow sometimes...what movie theory?


The one Admin posted at the top. Very Happy

I've been throwing the movie theory around in my mind the past few days. I will say...it will be an awesome movie if it does happen! cherry
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by endlessfire on Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:11 pm

ummm...see i told you i was slow!!! Embarassed
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by doonbuggy on Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:31 am

I know this is far fetched.. but I have to suggest it anyways.

Even though lil miss nurse introduced the drug diprovan
what is it esentially

PROPafyl...

PROP????
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by kdkennedy74 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:21 pm

This is all so interesting and I have been trying to find a link between Elvis and Michael since this started especially after I heard Lisa Marie's statement that "he was afraid he was going to end up like him" referring to her father. Something just seemed off with that when you take into consideration the way that she has bashed Michael over the past years since they divorced. Also, when I look at Priscilla's reasons for divorcing Elvis they seem to state the same as LM's in terms of having tried to help him but couldn't take it anymore.

This is all so confusing!!! I agree with everything you have said. I have one question and that is where did you find your information regarding Elvis and June 25, 1979? My gut keeps telling me that there is a connection between the two here.

I remember in an interview somewhere, someone said that Michael liked to take pieces from his idols and make them his own, i.e. James Brown, Fred Astair, Charlie Chaplan, PT Barnum, etc. Could this be the piece he has taken from Elvis...faking his death?

Am I completely losing it? Question
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:37 pm

(what I found re Elvis, June 25th, but the year was 1977):

Presley’s last live performance was on June 25, 1977, in Indianapolis. He was reportedly horrified at the impending publication of Elvis: What Happened?, the tell-all written by three of his e-bodyguards and Memphis Mafiosi that was the first printed account of his drug abuse and obsession with firearms, to name just two headline-grabbing revelations. The book came out on August 12. On August 16, 1977--the day before his next scheduled concert--Presley was discovered by girlfriend Ginger Alden dead in his bathroom at Graceland. Although his death was at first attributed to congestive heart failure (an autopsy also revealed advance arteriosclerosis and an enlarged liver), later investigation revealed evidence that drug abuse may have been at least part of the cause of death. Because the family was allowed to keep the official autopsy report private, additional speculation regarding contributing factors in Presley’s death has run wild. Through the years, several insiders have insisted that he was suffering from bone cancer, to name just one........
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Souza81 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:44 pm

MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs wrote:(what I found re Elvis, June 25th, but the year was 1977):

Presley’s last live performance was on June 25, 1977, in Indianapolis. He was reportedly horrified at the impending publication of Elvis: What Happened?, the tell-all written by three of his e-bodyguards and Memphis Mafiosi that was the first printed account of his drug abuse and obsession with firearms, to name just two headline-grabbing revelations. The book came out on August 12. On August 16, 1977--the day before his next scheduled concert--Presley was discovered by girlfriend Ginger Alden dead in his bathroom at Graceland. Although his death was at first attributed to congestive heart failure (an autopsy also revealed advance arteriosclerosis and an enlarged liver), later investigation revealed evidence that drug abuse may have been at least part of the cause of death. Because the family was allowed to keep the official autopsy report private, additional speculation regarding contributing factors in Presley’s death has run wild. Through the years, several insiders have insisted that he was suffering from bone cancer, to name just one........

Then there's another June 25 on Elvis....
The guy that claimed that Elvis could have hoaxed his death, did that on June 25, 1979. I''ll try to find it...

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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by kdkennedy74 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:52 pm

Hmmmm...apparently Michael and Elvis both had their last "performance" on the same date.

Looks like Michael really does do his homework!!!!!
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by CaptainJaneway on Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:13 am

If anyone here gets TVone or the tv guide network in the states they had a show on calle dthe tale of two kings or something to that effect.

I really did not pay too much attention because they kept harping on the drugs and crap and i was annoyed with it. If i still have it on tivo i will try to see if i can upload it to you tube in the coming week.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by bibi on Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:27 am

I know everybody's been talking about the number 7...but also look at this:

Birth August 29, 1958 8+2+9+1+9+5+8=42 and 4+2=6
Death June 25, 2009 6+2+5+2+0+0+9=24 and 2+4 =6
This is it Movie Oct 30, 2009 1+0+3+0+2+0+0+9= 15 and 1+5=6
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by bec on Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:08 am

bibi wrote:I know everybody's been talking about the number 7...but also look at this:

Birth August 29, 1958 8+2+9+1+9+5+8=42 and 4+2=6
Death June 25, 2009 6+2+5+2+0+0+9=24 and 2+4 =6
This is it Movie Oct 30, 2009 1+0+3+0+2+0+0+9= 15 and 1+5=6

Ok, you just blew my mind.

666??

Ought to make this it's own post bibi.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by DawneVee on Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:20 am

bec wrote:
bibi wrote:I know everybody's been talking about the number 7...but also look at this:

Birth August 29, 1958 8+2+9+1+9+5+8=42 and 4+2=6
Death June 25, 2009 6+2+5+2+0+0+9=24 and 2+4 =6
This is it Movie Oct 30, 2009 1+0+3+0+2+0+0+9= 15 and 1+5=6

Ok, you just blew my mind.

666??

Ought to make this it's own post bibi.

Bec...are you saying Michael is satan? LOL. geek
bibi...that's interesting about the numbers... but I do think the 7's outnumber the 6's. Smile
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Human_nature on Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:31 am

Michael is not satan..but Tommy Mottola is the devil Twisted Evil

Just my 2 cents lol geek
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by bibi on Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:43 am

that is not what I meant... No don't get me wrong...I was just bored so I started doing some math in my head trying to find some consistency, and that's what I came up with...I don't know what it means though Very Happy
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by bec on Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:52 am

Doesn't matter, the coincidense should not be ignored.

Remember the end of Threatened, refers to a monster.

The rap portion in Unbreakable, ends with reference to a demon, after refering to disappearing acts and David Coperfield, "after I die" etc.

Thriller... nuf said.

In the movie Ghosts, MJs character gets pretty creepy and scary, but in the end it's always all in good fun.

MJ has no problem taking you to the dark side... have no fear, he makes sure you have a good time while you're there, and he always brings you back safely in the end.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Silence on Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:12 pm

after watching this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB-zZF7Q8qI

I cannot stop thinking of this as the biggest casting show movie ever
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Give.In.To.Me on Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:19 pm

"congratulations, your cast"...interesting choice of words.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Souza81 on Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:21 pm

MJ's 7's:
– Michael Jackson signed his will on 7/7/02.
– Michael Jackson's memorial was on 7/7/09 … exactly 7
years after the will was signed.
– Michael Jackson's two biggest hits — “Black & White”
and “Billie Jean” — were each #1 for 7
weeks.
– Michael Jackson's three biggest albums — “Thriller,”
“Bad” and “Dangerous” — each produced 7

top 40 hits.
– Michael Jackson was the 7th pregnancy of Katherine.
– Michael Jackson was born in 1958 … 19 + 58 = 77
– Michael Jackson died on the 25th … 2 + 5 = 7
– Michael Jackson has 7 letters in his first and last
name.
– his last tour with the Jacksons started on 7/7
– Look at the date of the letter of MJ's Doc (staged IMO) they
had found in MJ's house: July 21, 2002.

July=7, 2+1+2+0+0+2=7. So
another 7/7, coincidence? You tell me. Also weird the had the article a few days
after the 7’s article, clue here? http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/jackson-doc-offers-potent-narcotic-solution/

Michael has planned this perfectly, like he wants everything to be: perfect.
I think that he has planned this for years now.

Michael spend his 'last' months a lot of time with David
Blaine who is famous for his major stunts.
I haven´t found people that had tickets for July, or 2009,
that weren´t postponed till 2010. I also haven’t heard yet that people got
their money back for the tickets and nobody have received the special
lenticular tickets yet. Why not= Maybe because the tickets they will receive
are tickets for his Resurrection Tour in 2010..

So what’s up with PT Barnum? Read up a little on this man first:
http://www.ptbarnum.org/humbugs.html#PICTURES
http://www.ptbarnum.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._T._Barnum
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0705.html

Barnum was known for his hoaxes and was The Prince of entertainment
(remember the memorial?).

Michael was a great admirer of him, look at the Dangerous cover, PT
Barnum all over. The Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Circus in town when the memorial
is held, TMZ being the Brick Men, the staged Deathbed
photo with Barnum clues, and then there is dr. Thome Thome, who’s called Thome
Thome? Looks a bit like Tom Thumb to me…. I can’t explain all of it on this thread,
not enough space, but read into it. Here are the threads already posted before
on this:

PT Barnum is part of the key?:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/your-theories-about-michael-jacksons-death/pt-barnum-is-part-of-the-key&value=barnum%251&search=2&ret=all

TMZ and P.T. Barnum “The Brick Man”:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/tmz-and-pt-barnum-the-brick-man&value=barnum%251&search=1&ret=all

I think the death scene is a clue from Michael (PT Barnum):
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/your-theories-about-michael-jacksons-death/i-think-the-death-scene-is-a-clue-from-michael-pt-barnum&value=barnum%251&search=1&ret=all

About The Barnum And Bailey Theory (I Have Something To Add):
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/your-theories-about-michael-jacksons-death/about-the-barnum-and-bailey-theory-i-have-something-to-add&value=barnum%251&search=1&ret=all

Dr Murray is PT Barnum’s ‘Humbug quack doctor’:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/dr-murray-is-pt-barnums-humbug-quack-doctor&value=barnum%251&search=1&ret=all

And the Why-part of this is posted earlier today by someone with the exact same idea about it:

THE BIG ONE IS YET TO COME!
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/your-theories-about-michael-jacksons-death/the-big-one-is-yet-to-come

Again: I don´t know what is going on and he might
be dead, but I think this is really something he could create. He wants to do
big things, to be able to exceed the success of Thriller means you have to
something BIG!! Also he would have known his albums would sell again, and
that´s how he convinced the State, assuming that the 100 million tax dept is
true. If could promise to pay back by doing this, Arnold would have told the
LAPD and the Coroner´s office to cooperate.

BTW, for the legal matters: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/the-movie-theory-vs-the-legal-matters-1&value=sf%25members%252%25user452&search=1&ret=all

If my theory turns out to be wrong on the 30th of October,
I really think he's dead. BUT: if my theory is right, I will laugh my brains
out. That would be the biggest thing ever, and it would demonstrate how much of
a genius he is.

Do not underestimate the KING OF ENTERTAINMENT!

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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:00 am

[b][i]GREAT POST!

Many of the things you mention are things I've also thought.

If we stay to one side of the arguement -- hoax -- we come to the conclusion that Michael IS a GENIUS!

I've been listening to a lot of MJ's music.....and have been getting the feeling that he HAS been planning this death hoax for YEARS -- just listening to the lyrics of songs.

There are just too many clues spewed out daily for this NOT to be a hoax.

(......I don't even entertain the thought that it's not....)

EXCITING................
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by EarthAngel90 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:33 am

I read that 3 weeks ago .... Merle Haggard said " Elvis's Death is a Hoax to him" on June 25,1979 .... and Now - 30 years later - June 25 ,2009 - M.J. is Gone ... Strange .. Michael died same day , same month , different year ... Too Much of a Conicdence to me ... Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy !!!!!!!!
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by CaptainJaneway on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:07 am

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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:18 am

CaptainJaneway wrote:Elvis died on 8/16/1977

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000062/

yes , right.
But I think what's EarthAngel90 wanna say it's almost 1 year after Elvis death, hoax specualtions began, on june 25 1978.

But not in 1979..
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by CaptainJaneway on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:28 am

ah okay i see. i think i was about 5 when he died so i have no real knowledge ofwhat went on then. I was born in 1972.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by DawneVee on Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:18 am

MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs wrote:[b][i]GREAT POST!

Many of the things you mention are things I've also thought.

If we stay to one side of the arguement -- hoax -- we come to the conclusion that Michael IS a GENIUS!

I've been listening to a lot of MJ's music.....and have been getting the feeling that he HAS been planning this death hoax for YEARS -- just listening to the lyrics of songs.

There are just too many clues spewed out daily for this NOT to be a hoax.

(......I don't even entertain the thought that it's not....)

EXCITING................

I too have been listening to MJ's tunes nonstop, esp. from the Invincible and HIStory albums (the newer songs), about his anger with the lies of the media has done to him and I can't help when I hear those songs to smile and think that he is going to come back and whoop the media's @SS!!! cheers
Just got to be patient and see what transpires.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Souza81 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:04 pm

Silence wrote:after watching this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB-zZF7Q8qI

I cannot stop thinking of this as the biggest casting show movie ever

Yeah, looks like a movie trailer to me LOL
It was pretty quick online too....

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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:19 pm

CaptainJaneway wrote:ah okay i see. i think i was about 5 when he died so i have no real knowledge ofwhat went on then. I was born in 1972.

I was 2 when he died Wink but I read alot about Elvis Wink
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by ishealive on Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:32 pm

Lol it is like a movie trailor and the dancers are "cast" is that a normal term used when artists gets new dancers??
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Give.In.To.Me on Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:55 pm

ishealive wrote:Lol it is like a movie trailor and the dancers are "cast" is that a normal term used when artists gets new dancers??
I thought the use of the words "you've been cast" was odd as well but then my nephew who is in hip/hop dance says that is the term they use when you've been selected to perform. Still, seems strange considering...
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by SeeingClues on Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:01 pm

I'm thinking that if he's dead, then the movie would not be inspiring but rather eerie and sad. You see dancers thinking that their dream will come into fruition...you see MJ performing for his comeback knowing that in days he will be dead. I think it would leave people sad when they left the theater.

HOWEVER..if he reveals he's alive beforehand, and then positions the movie to not only show how he faked his death, but also as a way for everyone in the WORLD to see him perform..not just the folks in London, it would be an exciting and inspiring movie. Just a thought.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by endlessfire on Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:51 pm

i hope the part where he faked his death, people's reactions, and clips from where everyone was 'slipping up' giving clues is all in the movies. and then at the end he comes waving saying 'THIS IS IT, THE GREATEST COMEBACK EVER'. it would be awesome.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Silence on Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:13 pm

I just post this here summed up again while I calculated it over there:

( http://mjkit.forumotion.net/news-and-odd-things-f8/tmz-reports-lloyds-will-not-pay-off-insurance-to-aeg-t161.htm )

Sony needs to sell

30 million DVDs to break even on the costs for the DVD (assumed 30 mio)
AND
sell 286 Million tickets at the box offices (to make the other 30 mio)

Until then sony will not earn one single cent.



they won't achieve it with a simple documentary.
I mean how long will that movie be ? maybe 2 hours or so I guess.
they HAVE to release something really really great. an hour of casting documentary and another hour of mj on that rehearsal stage definitely won't do

The MJ rehearsals alone won't let them sell that many tickets / DVDs while the footage will be all over the net from day one on.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by SeeingClues on Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:31 pm

and you won't sell millions of MJ dolls and kids toys from just that movie...it's not like the movie is geared towards kids.

Makes you think there's gotta be more to the story.

How will they even do the movie trailer? We know the "end" so it speak...unless the movie unravels the mystery of "how he did it" if it's a hoax.

I can't wait to see the rehearsal footage but you know the whole time you watch it you'll be saying to yourself..I can't believe he died two days later! So it will be strange to watch if he really is dead.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by bec on Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:34 pm

Silence wrote:I just post this here summed up again while I calculated it over there:

( http://mjkit.forumotion.net/news-and-odd-things-f8/tmz-reports-lloyds-will-not-pay-off-insurance-to-aeg-t161.htm )

Sony needs to sell

30 million DVDs to break even on the costs for the DVD (assumed 30 mio)
AND
sell 286 Million tickets at the box offices (to make the other 30 mio)

Until then sony will not earn one single cent.



they won't achieve it with a simple documentary.
I mean how long will that movie be ? maybe 2 hours or so I guess.
they HAVE to release something really really great. an hour of casting documentary and another hour of mj on that rehearsal stage definitely won't do

The MJ rehearsals alone won't let them sell that many tickets / DVDs while the footage will be all over the net from day one on.

Interesting. Very. Because I just don't see an hour and a half of dancers rehersing selling a whole lot of tickets at the box office.
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by Silence on Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:35 pm

SeeingClues wrote:and you won't sell millions of MJ dolls and kids toys from just that movie...it's not like the movie is geared towards kids.

Makes you think there's gotta be more to the story.

How will they even do the movie trailer? We know the "end" so it speak...unless the movie unravels the mystery of "how he did it" if it's a hoax.

I can't wait to see the rehearsal footage but you know the whole time you watch it you'll be saying to yourself..I can't believe he died two days later! So it will be strange to watch if he really is dead.


hmm, maybe they will do a triology ?


like

part 1 - the casting
part 2 - the rehearsal
part three - ?????????
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by rellababy on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:18 am

If this is a movie then I speak for a lot of people when I say am not entertained !!!!
Honestly I don't see how this can be a movie. There is something serious going on . IMO there are on 3 possibilities
1. MJ is dead
2. MJ is in protective custody for some reason (if this is the case then maybe we might see him again Very Happy . I say might because this could also transition to no 3)
3. He hoaxed his death to get away from it all
As we all know, a lot of stuff dont add up but still the movie theory is just not realistic. In as much as we want MJ to be alive we have to be objective, Is he going to come out later and say ha ha it was just a movie? I for one will not be amused because I havent been funtioning very well since 25th June.
I think MJ is better than that! he will not make us (his beloved fans) go through all this for his own gain. Not my MJ
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by carpenoctem on Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:03 am

OMG....hahaha....Tat Audition took place on my birthday. LOL Sorry just had to throw that in there. Sorry
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Re: The Movie-Theory

Post by susiecat on Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:53 pm

I still think that he really pissed some ppl off, Matolla and the like, he worked to get some big time dirt on these types, the hollywood scene, the entire thing. He has been hidden away until he testifies. This would be the only way he would have left his kids. He has been working with officials to talk about all he knows, would have took him some time to get evidence to turn over, and we all know how long it takes for a proper investigation and arrests to be made. This is why there are so many things that don't add up, he had to have been getting death threats, the ppl he was turning in found out. They had to move him fast.... thats why all the unanswered questions, there simply was not enough time to tie up all the loose ends. Witness protection type thing.
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Post by stardust on Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:43 pm

"This film is a gift to Michael's fans," says Kenny Ortega.

"I have never been partners with a more creative, innovative or groundbreaking entertainer than Michael Jackson," says producer Randy Phillips.

Our film will provide a historic event for Michael's fans to see for themselves the genius that he was."

No doubt about that, I will NOT MISS this for the world, I think the world are going to be in for a shock when this is released
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