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Post by ilprincipe on Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:39 pm

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Hundreds Of Sell-Outs For 1st Day Of North American Advance Sales Of 'Michael Jackson's This Is It': Huge Global Demand, Too
By NIKKI FINKE | Category: Uncategorized | Monday September 28, 2009 @ 10:15am
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I don't know anyone who doesn't think that Sony Pictures and Sony Music were smart to purchase that rehearsal footage of Michael Jackson preparing for his concerts before his untimely death -- even if the pricetag started at $50M. Not only does the trailer clearly show this is an intriguing motion picture, but those who've seen the actual movie tell me it's riveting. (And they don't even like Michael Jackson or his music...) So it should come as no surprise that Sony is boasting this morning that sales around the world for the pic, which supposedly has a 2-week release (and which we all know will be extended) are humongous. "I've never seen anything like it in the 25 years I have been film buying," says a UK exhibitor quoted by Sony. Here's the press release:

CULVER CITY, Calif., September 28, 2009 – Sony Pictures Entertainment, in conjunction with Sony Music Entertainment, today announced that the first 24-hours of pre-sales activity for Michael Jackson’s This Is It has resulted in record-breaking sales throughout the world as fans secure the first tickets to the two-week, limited engagement of the highly-anticipated motion picture.

With reports still coming in from nations around the world, it is believed no movie in history has generated so many ticket sales so far in advance of its release.

In North America, online ticket sellers Fandango and MovieTickets.com report that there is extraordinary demand for the film with hundreds of showtimes already sold out after one day of pre-sales. Some 80% of all online ticketing service transactions were for the film, which will debut in some markets with special advance showings the evening of Tuesday, October 27 and will open worldwide on Wednesday, October 28. The film is directed by long-time Jackson collaborator Kenny Ortega.

Domestically, an unprecedented number of shows for the two-week engagement have sold out in the first 24 hours of ticket availability in locations from coast-to-coast, including such cities as Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Nashville and New York, among others. Internationally, exhibitors from London and Sydney to Bangkok and Tokyo have experienced the same epic demand.

In London, Vue Entertainment's Film Buying Director Stuart Boreman said Michael Jackson's This Is It sold more than 30,000 tickets in its first 24-hours, setting the biggest ever one-day sales record in the UK, eclipsing advance buying for films including Harry Potter and The Lord of the Rings. "I've never seen anything like it in the 25 years I have been film buying," Boreman said. "It's a true phenomenon and sales show no sign of slowing down."

In the United States, more than 500,000 fans performed searches for showtimes on the official www.thisisit-movie.com website. Online buzz for Michael Jackson’s This Is It was 60 percent higher Sunday than for any other upcoming film.

Commenting on the extraordinary results, Rory Bruer, President of Worldwide Theatrical Distribution for Sony Picture Releasing said, “Michael Jackson’s fans all over the globe have enormous interest in this film and we can assure they will not be disappointed. This film delivers on everything they hope and expect to see. I think the initial sales activity we are seeing in the United States and United Kingdom to countries such as Australia and Thailand underscores the unique nature of this film, which is a special celebration of Michael and his music.”

In Japan, more than $1 million in ticket sales were recorded within the first 24 hours of their release, setting an advanced-sales record unmatched by any movie in history.

Staggering advance sales were reported in Australia, where tickets for Michael Jackson's This Is It purchased through Village Cinemas exceeded the lifetime pre-sales of such blockbusters as Transformers, and X-Men Origins.

In Bangkok, Thailand, fans lined up at box office ticket counters throughout the city, and by the end of the first day, all tickets for the first showings across Bangkok were sold-out.

In Los Angeles, at Regal Cinema's LA LIVE Stadium 14, fans began lining up on Thursday night for tickets to some of the city's first public showings, and within hours of Sunday morning's starting bell for advance pre-sales, the exhibitor reported selling out of all 3,000 of their seats for shows on Tuesday night October 27th.

Sell-outs at theaters in France are also being reported; thousands of fans lined up at The Grand Rex in Paris and quickly bought out the film’s first screening there. Record-setting sales also were recorded in Germany; hundreds of fans lined up outside one theater in Munich at midnight to await the opening of the box office. As one German exhibitor noted, "Something like this never happened before in Germany."

Record sales and sell-outs are also being reported in Holland, Sweden, Belgium and New Zealand, among other countries.

Moviegoers worldwide can get information for the two-week limited engagement by visiting www.thisisit-movie.com. For fans wishing to discover the closest theater playing the film near their home in North America, please call (877) 488-4258.

Michael Jackson’s This Is It will offer Jackson fans and music lovers worldwide a rare, behind-the-scenes look at the performer as he developed, created and rehearsed for his sold-out concerts that would have taken place beginning this summer in London’s O2 Arena. Chronicling the months from March through June, 2009, the film is produced with the full support of the Estate of Michael Jackson and drawn from more than one hundred hours of behind-the-scenes footage, featuring Jackson rehearsing a number of his songs for the show. Audiences will be given a privileged and private look at Jackson as he has never been seen before. In raw and candid detail, Michael Jackson’s This Is It captures the singer, dancer, filmmaker, architect, creative genius, and great artist at work as he creates and perfects his final show. Kenny Ortega, who was both Michael Jackson's creative partner and the director of the stage show, is also directing the film, which is being produced by Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega and Paul Gongaware. Executive producers are John Branca and John McClain. The film will be distributed worldwide by Sony Pictures Releasing. For more information about the film please visit www.thisisit-movie.com.

Sony Music Entertainment's Columbia/Epic Label Group will release a two-disc album "This Is It" featuring music inspired by the motion picture. The album will be available internationally on October 26th and in North America on October 27th.
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Re: huge global demand on TTI tickets

Post by ishealive on Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:44 pm

Wow, MJ's movie will be the biggest hit ever and will no doubt go into the Guiness book of records just like Thriller!!! Wink
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Post by mommy on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:03 pm

... and 10 tickets are sold in Denmark (my town).... I think not!
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Post by The Little White Bird on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:11 pm

Commenting on the extraordinary results, Rory
Bruer, President of Worldwide Theatrical Distribution for Sony Picture
Releasing said, “Michael Jackson’s fans all over the globe have
enormous interest in this film and we can assure they will not be
disappointed. This film delivers on everything they hope and expect to
see
. I think the initial sales activity we are seeing in the United
States and United Kingdom to countries such as Australia and Thailand
underscores the unique nature of this film, which is a special
celebration of Michael and his music.”

I'll be extremely shocked if it delivers everthing the fans on this forum hope and expect to see!
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Post by ilprincipe on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:13 pm

That would be awesome, little white bird...
I have to wait 2 days and 4 weeks...that's a long time...
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Re: huge global demand on TTI tickets

Post by ishealive on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:14 pm

The Little White Bird wrote:Commenting on the extraordinary results, Rory
Bruer, President of Worldwide Theatrical Distribution for Sony Picture
Releasing said, “Michael Jackson’s fans all over the globe have
enormous interest in this film and we can assure they will not be
disappointed. This film delivers on everything they hope and expect to
see
. I think the initial sales activity we are seeing in the United
States and United Kingdom to countries such as Australia and Thailand
underscores the unique nature of this film, which is a special
celebration of Michael and his music.”

I'll be extremely shocked if it delivers everthing the fans on this forum hope and expect to see!


that part is funny but stranger things have hapened...
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Post by The Little White Bird on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:16 pm

That would be awesome, little white bird...
I have to wait 2 days and 4 weeks...that's a long time...

If anything, he'll gain another world record for 'most simultaneous women to faint in cinemas around the world'! lol
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Post by ilprincipe on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:27 pm

The Little White Bird wrote:
That would be awesome, little white bird...
I have to wait 2 days and 4 weeks...that's a long time...

If anything, he'll gain another world record for 'most simultaneous women to faint in cinemas around the world'! lol

No..I won't faint...
1. ) I'm prepared
and 2.) I never was a diehard fan...I was and I'm still just curious....I realized that weird things were going on..
and since then, I wanted to know the truth.....

-investigation modus still activated- Smile
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Re: huge global demand on TTI tickets

Post by EarthAngel90 on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:31 pm

I wish I had the money for the tickets - I would kill for them .... (JK) .. but I will be asking anyone on the forum , if they seen it - I will ask questions !
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Post by whateverhappens on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:35 pm

@ earthangel90

Please give me bank account, i will send you the money for your ticket
I would be so glad to make you happy
yours ,
whateverhappens
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Post by whateverhappens on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:40 pm

hi,
I must contradict-in my
city the demand for tickets is not that strong- I'm wondering about that
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Post by yaya on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:54 pm

whateverhappens wrote:@ earthangel90

Please give me bank account, i will send you the money for your ticket
I would be so glad to make you happy
yours ,
whateverhappens

that's so nice of you! but it's risky for people to hand over their bank account info. maybe you could try paypal instead. it's quicker and easier. just a suggestion!
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Re: huge global demand on TTI tickets

Post by Rach on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:56 pm

Guys please DO NOT give your bank details to anyone on this forum.

You don't know who people are, and as much we love to trust it's far too risky.
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Post by Ivonne on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:00 pm

Here, perhaps, 100 tickets were sold. In my town in Germany
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Post by emanviam on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:01 pm

Rach wrote:Guys please DO NOT give your bank details to anyone on this forum.

You don't know who people are, and as much we love to trust it's far too risky.

I agree!!!! WTF?
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Post by whateverhappens on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:02 pm

@EARTHANGEL90
IF YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT FOR PAYPAL IT WOULD BE NO PROBLEM TO DO IT THAT WAY
PLAEYSE SEND ME A PM
YOURS;
WHATEVERHAPPENS
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Post by mjssoulmate on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:06 pm

Way to go Michael!!!

Can't wait to see it.
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Post by whateverhappens on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:07 pm

@ RACH
I' M NO TROLL
I ONLY WANTED TO HELP BECAUSE EARTHANGEL90 IS VERY YOUNG AND MIGHT NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR EVEN A MOVIETICKET
I AM A BIT OLDER ( 54) AND MONEY IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT IN MY LIFE SO I AM ABLE TO HELP THIS MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY

YOURS
WHATEVERHAPPENS
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Post by Rach on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:10 pm

whateverhappens wrote:@ RACH
I' M NO TROLL
I ONLY WANTED TO HELP BECAUSE EARTHANGEL90 IS VERY YOUNG AND MIGHT NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR EVEN A MOVIETICKET
I AM A BIT OLDER ( 54) AND MONEY IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT IN MY LIFE SO I AM ABLE TO HELP THIS MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY

YOURS
WHATEVERHAPPENS

I didn't say you were a troll, I just asked people not to give out their personal banking information on the forum.

I understand your intentions were there and it's great you want to help but we also need to stay safe at the same time.
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Post by emanviam on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:18 pm

whateverhappens wrote:@ RACH
I' M NO TROLL
I ONLY WANTED TO HELP BECAUSE EARTHANGEL90 IS VERY YOUNG AND MIGHT NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR EVEN A MOVIETICKET
I AM A BIT OLDER ( 54) AND MONEY IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT IN MY LIFE SO I AM ABLE TO HELP THIS MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY

YOURS
WHATEVERHAPPENS

Nobody called you a Troll!! nowadays EVERYONE knows that you should not give your information at all...not even PAYPAL to strangers.

Furthermore, it is VERY easy to buy the tickets at fandango.com, muvico.com and other pages!

For G'd sakes, EarthAngel...don't give your info away!!

Eman - The moralist.
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Post by whateverhappens on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:18 pm

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ;SAFETY FIRST- IT WAS A VERY SPONTANIOUS REACTION FROM MY SIDE
I HOPE I CAN HELP EARTHANGEL NEVERTHELESS
YOURS;
WHATEVERHAPPENS
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Post by ilprincipe on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:21 pm

@whateverhappens:
you can also pm the users you wanna support...
that's another option..

I think you are experienced enough that you don't need any advises because of safety Smile
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Post by whateverhappens on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:23 pm

HAVE YOU GOT A " SAFE" IDEA TO SEND EARTHANGEL90 THE MONEY FOR A TICKET FROM GERMANY WITHOUT KNOWING A BANK ACCOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT
PLEASE LET ME KNOW
YOURS
WHATEVERHAPPENS
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Post by whateverhappens on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:24 pm

@ilprincipe
thanks very much for your advise
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Post by emanviam on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:26 pm

whateverhappens wrote:HAVE YOU GOT A " SAFE" IDEA TO SEND EARTHANGEL90 THE MONEY FOR A TICKET FROM GERMANY WITHOUT KNOWING A BANK ACCOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT
PLEASE LET ME KNOW
YOURS
WHATEVERHAPPENS

You can just buy the ticket for her, based on her location, and send her the ticket electronically through her e-mail. That's the way my husband did it, and I printed the tickets and voila!

I hope this could help you!
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Post by yaya on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:28 pm

nevermind.


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Post by ilprincipe on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:28 pm

keine Ursache, whateverhappens Smile

@emanviam: that's an awesome idea
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Post by whateverhappens on Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:44 pm

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ADVISE EMANVIAM-
SO I ONLY HAVE GOT TO KNOW WHERE EARTANGLE90'S LOCATION IS

PLEASE EARTHANGEL90
SEND ME THE NEEDED INFO
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Post by whateverhappens on Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:09 pm

EMANVIAM:
I READ YOUR TWTTER AND I' MSHOCKED ABOUT YOU:
MAYBE I' M MUCH OLDER THAN YOU AND I WAS NOT AWARE ABOUT SOME CONSEQUENCES OF MY REQUEST IN ORDER TO HELP SOMEONE ; BUT
I DONT THINK IT IS RIGHT TO JOKE ABOUT THAT
I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED - YOU HAVE TWO FACES-
I DO NOT LIKE SUCH KIND OF PEOPLE
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Post by emanviam on Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:52 pm

whateverhappens wrote:EMANVIAM:
I READ YOUR TWTTER AND I' MSHOCKED ABOUT YOU:
MAYBE I' M MUCH OLDER THAN YOU AND I WAS NOT AWARE ABOUT SOME CONSEQUENCES OF MY REQUEST IN ORDER TO HELP SOMEONE ; BUT
I DONT THINK IT IS RIGHT TO JOKE ABOUT THAT
I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED - YOU HAVE TWO FACES-
I DO NOT LIKE SUCH KIND OF PEOPLE

Ok, don't bite me then.

Would you like my bank account, though?
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Post by emanviam on Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:00 pm

whateverhappens wrote:EMANVIAM:
I READ YOUR TWTTER AND I' MSHOCKED ABOUT YOU:
MAYBE I' M MUCH OLDER THAN YOU AND I WAS NOT AWARE ABOUT SOME CONSEQUENCES OF MY REQUEST IN ORDER TO HELP SOMEONE ; BUT
I DONT THINK IT IS RIGHT TO JOKE ABOUT THAT
I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED - YOU HAVE TWO FACES-
I DO NOT LIKE SUCH KIND OF PEOPLE

I actually think is disgusting that you are offering something to a 19 years old person and also wanted to know were she is!! Ewww...leave HER alone!!!

Everyone here knows I am very correct when it comes to a situation like this.

Go and sell tickets to a grown person like you and leave her alone. Do you understand me?

Thanks!
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Post by yaya on Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:08 pm

guys, don't you think it's silly that 2 adults are bickering over something like this? please, let's not turn this into the downfall of MJHD: part 2
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