Hey Guys,

So last night in my state of insomnia I got to thinking about all of the above and how it fits in with the hoax and here are my thoughts on this.

The Chidren's Birth Certificates:

If you haven't already done so I would suggest reading the following thread which was submitted by Bec via mjkit.

http://mjkit.forumotion.net/michael-jackson-hoax-death-theories-f2/i-know-why-the-kids-ids-were-revealed-just-weeks-before-6-25-t294.htm

It explains how the children were revealed to us weeks bfore June 25th because Michael was protecting them. I 100% agree with this theory but I wanted to look at it a little bit more indepth. If Michael was going to hoax his death, he would have needed to know that his children were well looked after and that no crazies would be able to go to court and question the parentage. However, he would need further documents to back this up.

As we all know Michael is a notoriously private person because he gets so little of it from fans and the media. Now it struck me as odd that in a hoax he would allow the children's BC's to be leaked, given how much he adores and protects them. Then it hit me - they are fake. There is no way that Michael would allow the real ones to be leaked, however he needed them in order to back up that the children were his, when they were born and that no-one could question the parentage. Check out the BC's below and see what stands out to you.





Now the copies aren't the greatest but you should be able to see that Debbie's middle name is spelt differently on both Prince's and Paris' BCs. On Prince's BC it is spelt "Jeanne" and on Paris' it is spelt "Jean". I looked up Debbie on Wikipedia and the correct spelling is Jeanne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Rowe

Now I remember when my sister had her baby and she toook her to get registered she had to take her own BC with her as proof of who she was (which states her full LEGAL name), so there should be no reason why Debbie's name is seplt incorrectly. A birth certificate is a legal documents as well as an I.D and all names need to spelt correctly for such reasons. There is no way an official would make a mistake like that. However, if it was a mock up it doesn't matter. Perhaps if it was done in haste this is the reason for that? Also make a note of Michael's name becuae I will be coming to that next.

Michael's will and Joe -vs- Joseph.

Ok now here is where things get fun! Have a look at the copy of the 2002 will I found online and make a note of Michael's name.



It states Michael's middle name as Joseph, the same as the BC's. Now have a look at the following pictures that have recently been leaked. They are Michael's old passport photos.



Now the same as a BC, a passport is a legal document and ID. I'm not sure what happens in the US but when you apply for a passport in the UK for the first time, you need to provide your BC as proof of who you are and where you were born and your personal details are taken from that. Now Michael's BC MUST have stated Joe if it was on his passport. I have looked high and low for Michael's BC but cannot find it anywhere. Yet his childrens were leaked? Please!

As we already know Michael's will would be invalid if the incorrect name is on there. However, what if it was never intended to be real but a mock up to fool us and the press? DreamsComeTrue advised me that there was an article in a magazine which stated that the will was NOT signed in the presence of a notary which is a must for it to be valid. There were also comments from TMZ in a live feed which stated that michael did indeed have a 2009 Will, but this was never followed up? Why not? That would invalidate a 2002 Will. If Michael really was dead this would need to be investigated.

Now have a look at the death certificate.



Once again it states that Michael's middle name is Joseph. However, if we go on the basis of the passport photos we can come to the conclusion that Michael's real middle name is Joe. See what I'm getting at? Michael Joseph may be dead but Michael Joe isn't and no crime has been commited. Either the DC is either a fake or a person called Michael Joseph Jackson really did die.

The Pepsi Footage.

Now I have been thinking about this one for a long time and have come up with the following conclusion. This footage was NEVER meant to be seen. Michael was deeply embarrased about it and that's why he went to great lengths to buy all the copies and make sure that for 25 years it wasn't revealed to anyone. Now almost as soon as Michael "died" reports started to surface that Michael died of a drugf overdoe. This was even before an autopsy was done and results released to us.

Now Michael knew this was going to happen but he was unable to stop it, so he played the best hand available to him. He HAD to release that footage in order to save his image. Before that was released how many people do you think called him a "junkie" and a "drug abuser". I know a lot of people who did. However, after that was shown their perceptions of Michael changed. Many people felt sorry for him and they could see why he was "on drugs". Now Michael never wanted people to think he was a drug user, but he couldn't change what was been said. IMO releasing that tape had the desired effect that he wanted it to.

Anyway, I have rambled for far too long and I hope I haven't bored you!

Let me know what you think

Rach xoxo

What do you mean by "leaked". Birthcertificate are public. You can look them up.

And the passports are the confusing part, because they are considered official ID and should have his complete name, not Joe. His middle name is Joseph.

Since MJ's supposed death, the children's identity were exposed through the media numerously. Deep in my heart, I don't think that they are his children because MJ has been concealing their identity from the day they were born to keep them safe. So, why in the world would he in any instance let the world in, especially the media, when in the first place he is trying to expose how the media works badly.

So, I feel good now that the birth certificates are being talked about and speculated.

Didn't mean to offend! Just wondered what you meant.

I agree about the passports. It's just very confusing, because every time there is a clip of Michael being asked what his full name he says Michael Joseph Jackson.

Great theory Rachel, thanks!

About Joe/Joseph,

In a video posted by The Jacksonologist, it's the 2007 deposition! Here, the lawyer says MJ's full name...Michael JOE Jackson at 0:13 (please don't watch the rest, it's BS) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35vOt2znla8&feature=related

The name Michael JOE Jackson was also used on the 2005 trial!

I don't know about you guys, but I think JOE is his real middle name, and JOSEPH is just a ¨stage name¨...maybe? And I this confusion with the names will save Michael from legal issues when he comes back!
Personally, I rather believe The BCs of the children are false (I don't think Michel would reveal that to the public), The will is fake and the passaports are the real ones!

And I think the JOE/JOSEPH middle name (one is false) was made up by Michael to create confusion...

Think about! How many times, in the past 3 months we where confused by something? From the O2 Michael's behaviour to the, to the false statments and ambulance photo and video...and now his middle name? This is like a SF movie, not reality!

What do we know so far? Are we sure about something related to the ¨death¨? We all are confused...by Michael (Joe) Jackson...

I think this middle name is another trick of Michael...and we know how he likes to play...

Just a thought...

About children's name...

I always knew that the children's name are:
1. Prince Michael Jackson I
2. Paris Katherine Michael Jackson
3. Prince Michael Jackson II (Blanket)
This is what I read before 25th of June! Only this names...but after 25th...all started to be...again...CONFUSING!

About the Pespsi footage (and the van video and Doc Murray's speech video)...all were leaked by Michael! For a HUGE purpose!

DreamsComeTrue - We are so on the same page with this because I agree with everything you said!

I said in my op there is NO WAY Michael would allow the real BC's to be shown so mock ups were created. Also the real ones wouldn't have a spelling mistake on them.

~never mind~

It was already mentioned above..sorry.

SOO his real name is Michael JOE Jackson!!
Thanks Rachel!
this really helped

I think the pic are real. I mean look at the signature, that's the real one.

Would this explain Prince the second???

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/prince-michael-malachi-jet-jackson-mjs-24-year-old-son

<BLOCKQUOTE class=np-quote-detail cite=http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/michael-jackson-son-prince-michael-malachi-jet-jackson-biological/>
A birth certificate was submitted with the claim -- one which lists a "Michael Joseph Jackson" of Indiana as the father and Zerline LaVette Dixon as the mother.

According to the claim, MJ's family pressured Prince Michael Malachi's family to keep quiet.



Yeah I know.... </BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I know...tmz ....LOL

Does someone have opinions on the father/son name (which I mentioned above)?

I just want to ask this: is a person's social security number listed in US passports? In my country they are in fact listed right next to the other identification information...