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Post by Truth_or_Dare on Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:43 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091002/ap_en_mu/us_michael_jackson_autopsy

Jackson autopsy could pose problems for his doctor

By THOMAS WATKINS, Associated Press Writer Thomas Watkins, Associated Press Writer – 39 mins ago

LOS
ANGELES – Michael Jackson's autopsy report was surprising as much for
what it didn't contain as for what it did: The singer was in relatively
good health for a man his age and no illegal drugs were detected in his
system.

Jackson's physical condition, detailed in his autopsy
report obtained by The Associated Press, could be a useful tool for
prosecutors as they weigh charges against his personal physician, Dr.
Conrad Murray, who told police he administered a powerful anesthetic to
the singer shortly before he died.

The coroner has ruled
Jackson's death at age 50 a homicide with his death caused by acute
intoxication of the anesthetic propofol with other sedatives a
contributing factor. The coroner found the propofol was administered
without any medical need and that recommended resuscitation equipment
was missing.

The autopsy findings block a potential defense for
Murray — that Jackson hid serious pre-existing conditions that
increased the risk of death from the drugs he willingly took.

"It
clearly establishes that Michael Jackson was a healthy person whose
death appears to have been directly caused by the administration of
some very powerful sedatives," said criminal defense attorney and
former federal prosecutor Mark Werksman. "This autopsy report seems to
clear the path for a prosecution that his death was caused by an
overdose."

The Los Angeles County coroner's report shows
Jackson's weight of 136 pounds was in the acceptable range for a
5-foot-9 man. His heart was strong with no sign of plaque buildup. His
kidneys and most other major organs were normal.

Still, the
singer did have health issues, many of them age related, including
arthritis in the lower spine and some fingers, and mild plaque buildup
in his leg arteries. Most serious was the condition of his lungs, which
the autopsy report said were chronically inflamed and had reduced
capacity that might have left him short of breath.

But the report noted the condition of his lungs would not have been a direct or contributing cause of death.

Murray's
attorney, Edward Chernoff, said he was anxious to see the full autopsy
results and would not comment until he had done so. He added that he
stood by his original statement that Murray did not administer anything
that "should have" killed Jackson.

Except for a brief video
posted to YouTube, Murray has not spoken publicly since Jackson's
death. In the video, Murray said: "I told the truth and I have faith
the truth will prevail."

Michael G. Dave, a Los Angeles lawyer
specializing in civil litigation, said the autopsy report would be
valuable for the Jackson family in the event they file a wrongful death
civil suit. Such suits have a lower burden of proof than criminal
prosecutions.

"That report, at face value, is dynamite for both
the prosecutors and the heirs of Michael Jackson," said Michael G.
Dave, a Los Angeles lawyer specializing in civil litigation. "It will
go a long way to enable the heirs to win any wrongful death suit."

Stan
Goldman, criminal law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles,
said the autopsy findings would likely bolster a possible prosecution.

"The
question for me is not if the prosecution has a stellar case for
involuntary manslaughter but if they are going to try to go for some
kind of murder," Goldman said.

Records
state Murray told police he administered 25 milligrams of propofol to
Jackson. But that's a very small dose that would not have kept the star
under for long, raising questions about whether Murray misspoke or
police misinterpreted what he told them.
(What??)

The report provided details about Jackson's state from head to toes.

He
had a 3/4-inch scar behind his left ear and another apparent scar
behind his right ear. He had a scar beside each of his nostrils and
another, 4-inch scar on his right shoulder. He had a pair of additional
scars about 3-inches long at the base of his neck and smaller scars on
his arms and wrist. He also had a small scar near his navel and a
2-inch scar on the right-hand side of his abdomen.

He was going
bald at the front of his head, with his remaining hair described as
short and tightly curled. The bald part of his scalp was darkened with
what appeared to be a tattoo stretching across the top of his head from
ear to ear.

The coroner found depigmentation of his skin around
his chest, abdomen, face and arms. The report also said he was actively
producing sperm.
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:37 am

You know this is interesting because you all remember the "ear debate" right? The pics that were posted INCLUDING the ear of the person in the ambulance pic. We've all seen the pics of the mangled left ear and wondered if it was MJ who had the messed up ear or his double. Well if it WAS MJ then when they mention the scars behind his ears, they never mention his ear being messed up...SO that means MJ's left ear was fine....that means the person in the ambie was NOT MJ and he DID have a double with funky left ear!!! HA!!!!
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Post by ziffes on Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:43 am

ERM... what does "The report also said he was actively
producing sperm."
have to do with find the reason for his dead??? just wondering Suspect
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:50 am

@Ziffes.....as mentioned yesterday on another thread...someone asked how a supposedly dead body could actively produce anything!! Also, another person said that this sperm part was added in on purpose as a message from MJ to Mark Lester (who claimed he provided the sperm for MJ's kids), basically saying "Dude, I can produce my own kids, f**k you very much!"


I think its hilarious!!
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Post by ziffes on Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:02 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:@Ziffes.....as mentioned yesterday on another thread...someone asked how a supposedly dead body could actively produce anything!! Also, another person said that this sperm part was added in on purpose as a message from MJ to Mark Lester (who claimed he provided the sperm for MJ's kids), basically saying "Dude, I can produce my own kids, f**k you very much!"


I think its hilarious!!

*LOL*

ahhh ok that way... cool. cheers
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Post by 4evermichael71 on Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:10 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:@Ziffes.....as mentioned yesterday on another thread...someone asked how a supposedly dead body could actively produce anything!! Also, another person said that this sperm part was added in on purpose as a message from MJ to Mark Lester (who claimed he provided the sperm for MJ's kids), basically saying "Dude, I can produce my own kids, f**k you very much!"


I think its hilarious!!

I agree with you totally! And about the ear thing too! A mangled ear would have been reported.
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:19 am

Yes, Mangled ear WOULD HAVE BEEN reported. But yet the mangled ear was present on whoever it was in the ambulance!!! So..............
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Post by 4evermichael71 on Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:24 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Yes, Mangled ear WOULD HAVE BEEN reported. But yet the mangled ear was present on whoever it was in the ambulance!!! So..............

True..I think I need more coffee
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Post by 2000 Watts on Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:36 am

Ok. When did they do the autopsy. According to this report by the Austin Legal, Arpil 2009, when a mother wanted her dead son's sperm for grandkids, the article sakd:"The documents said that the sperm must be collected within 24 hours of Evans’ death for it to remain viable or that his body must be cooled to no more than 4 degrees centigrade. Evans agreed to donate her son’s organs, which required him to be on life support until 9 p.m. Monday, documents said.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/courts/entries/2009/04/07/dead_mans_sperm_to_be_taken_by.html

So, unless they did the autopsy within 24 hours how would they know the sperm was actively producing. An odd thing to look for wouldn't you think since they are more worried about cardiac conditions or possible murder? Yes, MJ put that in. Ha to Mark Lester and all the unbelieving.
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Post by BJ on Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:38 am

Can anyone explain the ear-thing?
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:57 am

BJ...there is whole thread on the ear thing. Im trying to find it for you....
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:03 am

http://mjkit.forumotion.net/breaking-news-f3/michaels-left-ear-t344.htm#6591


This proves the ambie pic is NOT mj!! If you need more explaining let me know cus I know thigns can get confusing.
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Post by BJ on Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:06 am

Thank you, Jacksonologist.
I mean that guy about they speak in the autopsy was not MJ ?
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Post by MJFOREVER on Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:08 am

what i think is strange is this:
LOS ANGELES – Michael Jackson's autopsy report was surprising as much for
what it didn't contain as for what it did: The singer was in relatively
good health for a man his age and no illegal drugs were detected in his
system.

The police want to arrest murray for murdering mj for giving him illegal drugs(thats what the gossip F...... want us to believe, and the propofol is illegal when its not used in hospitals etc(for the newbies haha)

But how can the arrest and charge a man for killing somebody when there were no illegal drugs detected in his
system.
Question
i think its strange

my english is not my main language so if i read the article wrong please say it
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:12 am

Illegal drugs mean cocaine, marijuana, herion...things like that. MJ had LEGAL drugs in his system.
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Post by jpresley on Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:18 am

MJFOREVER wrote:what i think is strange is this:
LOS ANGELES – Michael Jackson's autopsy report was surprising as much for
what it didn't contain as for what it did: The singer was in relatively
good health for a man his age and no illegal drugs were detected in his
system.

The police want to arrest murray for murdering mj for giving him illegal drugs(thats what the gossip F...... want us to believe, and the propofol is illegal when its not used in hospitals etc(for the newbies haha)

But how can the arrest and charge a man for killing somebody when there were no illegal drugs detected in his
system.

i think its strange

my english is not my main language so if i read the article wrong please say it

It's not that the drugs were illegal, it's that (1) Murray shouldn't have been giving MJ any controlled substances since he doesn't have a license to do so in California and (2) Propofol should NEVER be given outside of a controlled environment (ie, a hospital) and w/o monitoring devices. Further, Conrad Murray admits to leaving the room after administering propofol to Michael, well, that in and of itself is a big no-no. You just don't give someone an anesthetic that affects respiratory and leave the room.

Did that answer your question?
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:28 am

You answered it way better then i did!! LOL
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Post by Truth_or_Dare on Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:55 am

2000 Watts wrote:Ok. When did they do the autopsy. According to this report by the Austin Legal, Arpil 2009, when a mother wanted her dead son's sperm for grandkids, the article sakd:"The documents said that the sperm must be collected within 24 hours of Evans’ death for it to remain viable or that his body must be cooled to no more than 4 degrees centigrade. Evans agreed to donate her son’s organs, which required him to be on life support until 9 p.m. Monday, documents said.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/courts/entries/2009/04/07/dead_mans_sperm_to_be_taken_by.html

So, unless they did the autopsy within 24 hours how would they know the sperm was actively producing. An odd thing to look for wouldn't you think since they are more worried about cardiac conditions or possible murder? Yes, MJ put that in. Ha to Mark Lester and all the unbelieving.

Good point
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Post by mjthelegendlives on Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:59 am

I wonder what Diane Dimond has to say about this article. Smile
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:01 am

I believe and I could be wrong here. They check EVERYTHING during an autopsy. But the fact they mentioned producing sperm has absolutley nothing to do with what killed MJ, tells me this was released by MJ and someone else stated it was sort of a "screw you" gesture from MJ to MArk Lester.
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:26 am

I have a question, why are they supposedly going after all of these doctors and pharmacies if they can't find any wrong doing, other than the propofol, in the autopsy results? Wouldn't they need him to be highly medicated in order to make any charges of wrongly prescribing stick?
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Post by Guest on Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:10 am

kdkennedy74 wrote:I have a question, why are they supposedly going after all of these doctors and pharmacies if they can't find any wrong doing, other than the propofol, in the autopsy results? Wouldn't they need him to be highly medicated in order to make any charges of wrongly prescribing stick?


You are so right. But I gotta tell you this, NOTHING surprises me anymore. They keep running around like mad people to do anything, to keep Michael in the media..

The big queastion for me is "Have we seen nothing yet"?

I doubt it

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Post by Grace on Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:27 pm

We tend to be reading the report AS IF it was talking about MJ as a DEAD person. We are checking out and discussing the wordings AS IF he died.

I suggest, we read the report AS IF we are talking about MJ as an ALIVE person to fully understand it.

This report is clearing out all the lies about Mike, putting everything in proper order again and impregnating our minds that everything was ok with Mike.

He lets other "speech-porters" testify for him that
- his physical condition is fine
- he does not have any illegal drugs in his system
- he does not have serious pre-existing conditions that increased any risk of death from the drugs
- he does not suffer from any shortweight but that his weight is in the acceptable range for a 5-foot-9 man
- his heart is strong with no sign of plaque buildup
- his kidneys and most other major organs are normal
- his "normal" health issues are mainly age related, including arthritis in the lower spine and some fingers, and mild plaque buildup in his leg arteries
- he's having a serious condition of his lungs, which are said to be chronically inflamed and have reduced capacity that might have leave him short of breath but this would not kill him
- he has 3/4-inch scar behind his left ear and another apparent scar
behind his right ear
- he has a scar beside each of his nostrils and another, 4-inch scar on his right shoulder
- he has a pair of additional scars about 3-inches long at the base of his neck and smaller scars on his arms and wrist
- he also has a small scar near his navel and a 2-inch scar on the right-hand side of his abdomen
- he is going bald at the front of his head, with his remaining hair described as short and tightly curled
- the bald part of his scalp is darkened with what appeares to be a tattoo stretching across the top of his head from ear to ear
- he is having depigmentation of his skin around his chest, abdomen, face and arms
- he is actively producing sperm

Very clever.
If nobody believed Mike when he was alive in real, let him die and write testimonies from professionals such as physicians that would be believed.

I just wonder if someone would really drop his pants and stand this naked in front of everybody - voluntarily - and all of this only in order to re-establish a perception that is positive about him.

And this makes me think that either the report is false if Mike is alive or that the report is true and describing some dead person that could be Mike.
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Post by mjssoulmate on Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:21 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:I have a question, why are they supposedly going after all of these doctors and pharmacies if they can't find any wrong doing, other than the propofol, in the autopsy results? Wouldn't they need him to be highly medicated in order to make any charges of wrongly prescribing stick?

It's all part of the sting!
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Post by Grace on Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:55 am

After all I came to the conclusion that the report should be false and fake since the person described as being Mike is not dead and as Mike wouldn't care too much whether the world was told how many scars he had.

Basically the content of the report was about "everything is fine" - is this then important? Why are media not following WHY Murray is still not fixed?
Why would AP fall for such unimportant "news" of how many scars and where - usually they are reliable?
Are AP getting in the path of TMZ? LOL
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Post by 4evermichael71 on Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:00 am

@Grace-I agree with your interpretation of the "autopsy" report.
Also, if there was a "death" and Murray copped to what he did he should have been charged long ago. We're at day 100 and nothing. Why? Because in my heart MICHAEL IS ALIVE!
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Post by ksrbw on Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:02 pm

Ok I don't post much but, I do have a bit of a medical background, and sperm will die within hours, and we do body checks all the time what i see is like a person who is being brought in alive and they are making a list of areas to the body, it's kinda like covering you butt so to speak in case something should happen to a person while they stay with you, at whatever kind of facility. I hope this makes sense
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