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Post by Rach on Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:34 pm

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I was just doing some research on Murray, and when I put his name into Wikipedia it brought up a page called "Death of Michael Jackson" and I noted this paragraph which I thought was interesting.


Paramedics performed CPR for 42 minutes at the house.[19] Murray said he was in contact with doctors at UCLA, who instructed the rescuers to inject epinephrine (adrenaline) directly into Jackson's heart. Murray stated that Jackson continued to have a pulse when he was taken out of the house and put in the ambulance for the trip to the hospital.[11] An LAFD official gave a different account. He said that paramedics found Jackson in "full cardiac arrest", and that they did not observe a change in Jackson's status en route to the hospital.[20]


LAFD transported Jackson to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, a couple miles from the house.[17] The ambulance arrived at the hospital at approximately 1:14 p.m. A team of medical personnel attempted to resuscitate Jackson for more than one hour. They were unsuccessful and he was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m. (21:26 UTC).[21][22][23]

Now what I noted odd was that there are different accounts on the state that Michael was in when the ambulance arrived. Murray states he still had a pulse while a LAFD official said the was in full cardiac arrest when they arrived and transported him to he hospital. I also borrowed this excert from Wikipedia about what happens following a cardiac arrest and what a patients chances of coming out of it are:


Early recognition - If possible, recognition of illness before the patient develops a cardiac arrest will allow the rescuer to prevent its occurrence. Early recognition that a cardiac arrest has occurred is key to survival - for every minute a patient is in cardiac arrest, their chances of survival drop by roughly 10% [11]


The above indicates to me that Michael was probably most likely "dead" before the paramedics arrived, however reports on how long it took to call an aumbulance differ so it's hard to tell.

However it then goes on to say that at the hospital they continued to do CPR for a further hour. Why would they need to do this if it was apparent that Michael was "dead"? You can also see that it states that the paramedics said there was no change in Michael's status en route to the hospital and that they had administered CPR for 42 minutes at the house.

Now to my reckoning this means that a total of just under an hour was spent trying to resuscitate Michael BEFORE he got to the hospital. Why the need for a further hour once they arrived?

I'm sorry if I am asking an obvious question but I don't understand the logic behind it!

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:41 pm

Rach..becasue its all crap mate!!! thats why!!!!

Their not God mate!! You cant just suddenly bring someone to life whos been
so called dead for how long!!! The media etc etc are palying with us mate!!


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Post by Rach on Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:49 pm

I know they're not God and it most likely is all BS.

I just thought it was odd that Murray is supposed to be a cardiologist and he didn't know all of this. I mean this is what he has spent years of his life training for and didn't know that a patients chances of recovering decreases by 10% each minute they are in cardiac arrest.

I also don't understand why paramedics, who are also trained to know this, spent 42 minutes at the house when they knew there would be virtually no chance they could bring someone back to life.

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Post by mjssoulmate on Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:56 pm

Don't forget that they also worked on him in the ambulance. And the fire chief said that Emts try to stabilize the victim before transport to hospital. So they worked on him for 42 minutes, Murray had already worked on him for over an hour and another hour in the ER. Yep, right!!!

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:59 pm

Ever think our Dr Murray is NOT what he appears Rach? to begin with

as for the paramedics!! GREAT actors mate!!! they need a OSCAR!!!!

Dr Murry needs a GOLDEN GLOBE AWARD!!!!!!! BIG TIME!!!!!


Their good thats all i will say!!!!

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Post by annieisnotokey on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:06 pm

Pinkshots wrote:Ever think our Dr Murray is NOT what he appears Rach? to begin with

as for the paramedics!! GREAT actors mate!!! they need a OSCAR!!!!

Dr Murry needs a GOLDEN GLOBE AWARD!!!!!!! BIG TIME!!!!!


Their good thats all i will say!!!!

Do you know something that you are not sharing?

Sorry to ask & I hope I don't offend you, but you seem so sure about things today it makes me wonder.

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Post by Rach on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:10 pm

mjssoulmate wrote:Don't forget that they also worked on him in the ambulance. And the fire chief said that Emts try to stabilize the victim before transport to hospital. So they worked on him for 42 minutes, Murray had already worked on him for over an hour and another hour in the ER. Yep, right!!!

Exactly my point! If the statement about a persons chances of surviving decreases by 10% each minute that they are unreponsive is correct, then that would mean that within 10 minutes they would be clinically dead. So why the need to perform CPR for a further 2 hours if medical professionals would know this?

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Post by Rach on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:18 pm

Pinkshots wrote:Ever think our Dr Murray is NOT what he appears Rach? to begin with

as for the paramedics!! GREAT actors mate!!! they need a OSCAR!!!!

Dr Murry needs a GOLDEN GLOBE AWARD!!!!!!! BIG TIME!!!!!


Their good thats all i will say!!!!

Ok so let me see if we are on the same page. The paramedics and Murray are not medical professionals and they have been hired by Michael to play their parts in this?

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:37 pm

Annie... I know as much as you mate!! Ive had time to re think about this
whole charrade and Ive seen a dvd on another persons ideas and its in
12 parts!!! too big to post here and its amazing!!!

The coroner vid i now belive is very real!!!!

We have not seen MJ in a long time!!! The real MJ I mean!!!!!

So there fore Im saying either MJ and his children are safley tucked
away never to be seen and living the life MJ always wanted

or.....MJ has infact died but not on June 25th and the public
will never know the real identity of his children!!! becasue their being protected
by MJs family!!! Your seeing the other children!!!

Or The last option is that MJ met with foul play!!!
MJ says in this DVD HE never want to tour again and that he HATES
touring!!!! and he wants to dissapear which we all ready knew

The ambulace scene is totally fake also..

If this is a plan on MJs part then he planned it a long time ago
with GOOD reason! and time will tell.

Just maybe he had no choice in his decision Annie!!

This is only my thoughts!! I could be way off here but Im not so sure!!

How does a child born with very blonde hair and blue eyes
suddenly change to brown hair!!! Illussions going on Annie!!

As you say!! and Ive said THINK OUT SIDE THAT BOX!!!!

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:39 pm

Rach wrote:
Pinkshots wrote:Ever think our Dr Murray is NOT what he appears Rach? to begin with

as for the paramedics!! GREAT actors mate!!! they need a OSCAR!!!!

Dr Murry needs a GOLDEN GLOBE AWARD!!!!!!! BIG TIME!!!!!


Their good thats all i will say!!!!

Ok so let me see if we are on the same page. The paramedics and Murray are not medical professionals and they have been hired by Michael to play their parts in this?


Rach...Yes!!! 100% right!

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Post by Rach on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:45 pm

Interesting thought. I toyed with the idea at the beginning of the hoax that Murray wasn't real and he was a figment of our imaginations, but then I decided against that.

However, I don't think the idea of him been an actor is so far fetched. I have said on numerous occasions I think he has been paid to be the fall guy in all of this - and I guess that isn't much different to the fact that he is an actor. Shocked

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Post by annieisnotokey on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:49 pm

Rach wrote:However, I don't think the idea of him been an actor is so far fetched. I have said on numerous occasions I think he has been paid to be the fall guy in all of this - and I guess that isn't much different to the fact that he is an actor.

He might also be an incompetent Dr. that has been paid handsomely to take the fall.

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Post by Rach on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:51 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:He might also be an incompetent Dr. that has been paid handsomely to take the fall.

True true Mrs Mesereau!

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Post by annieisnotokey on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:56 pm

Rach wrote:True true Mrs Mesereau!


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