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Post by Rach on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:26 pm

Hey Guys

I have just been watching the 6.30pm news in the UK and at the very end they had a small segment that was deidcated to "This Is It" (the song that is!)

Now they questioned whether the song was old or new, and as it turns out it is an old song that was supposed to have been on the "Dangerous" album. They also had a music critic on who very strangely said "it wasn't good enough at the time for the "Dangerous" album". Now I found this odd for a number of reasons. The first been, if it wasn't good enough 18 years ago, when Michael was at his peak, why is it good enough now? This movie has been billed the musicial must see of the year and over the next few weeks I am sure it will get more press attention. This lead me to think that "This Is It" the movie has been a rush job and they couldn't/didn't have the time to record a new song, so they plucked an old one out of thin air and hoped it would fly with the fans. I know for most of us this has been the case.

There was also a quote from someone else (I forget who!) and she said that "Death is indeed a ploy to make more money". That struck me as odd as well. Then there was a clip of Paris speaking at the memorial and the news reader said, "with the Jackson kids set to inherit 90% of all the TII profits, we are sure more hidden Jackson jems will be made more public soon". Does anyone else think that's an odd thing to say?

Thoughts? Smile

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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by Red Velvet on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:38 pm

Rach wrote:Hey Guys

I have just been watching the 6.30pm news in the UK and at the very end they had a small segment that was deidcated to "This Is It" (the song that is!)

Now they questioned whether the song was old or new, and as it turns out it is an old song that was supposed to have been on the "Dangerous" album. They also had a music critic on who very strangely said "it wasn't good enough at the time for the "Dangerous" album". Now I found this odd for a number of reasons. The first been, if it wasn't good enough 18 years ago, when Michael was at his peak, why is it good enough now? This movie has been billed the musicial must see of the year and over the next few weeks I am sure it will get more press attention. This lead me to think that "This Is It" the movie has been a rush job and they couldn't/didn't have the time to record a new song, so they plucked an old one out of thin air and hoped it would fly with the fans. I know for most of us this has been the case.

There was also a quote from someone else (I forget who!) and she said that "Death is indeed a ploy to make more money". That struck me as odd as well. Then there was a clip of Paris speaking at the memorial and the news reader said, "with the Jackson kids set to inherit 90% of all the TII profits, we are sure more hidden Jackson jems will be made more public soon". Does anyone else think that's an odd thing to say?

Thoughts?

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VERY. Especially the bolded part. That means we're not the only one who smells a "rat" (Ben?)



Thanks for posting this!!! I never would have been on the listen for any news reports. Now I will keep my ears open!
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by city.gal1 on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:39 pm

When I first heard it I definitely thought it was an earlier MJ work, not current.



Here is an excerpt from an NY Times article re: TII song....


If “This Is It” is any guide, the provenance of leftover Jackson songs might be difficult to establish. It is not clear when the song was written or recorded, Mr. Stringer said, and Sony originally believed that the tape was made around the time of Mr. Jackson’s 1991 album “Dangerous.” But it could have been much earlier, perhaps even as early as the album “Off the Wall,” from 1979.
“We just found the song,” Mr. Stringer said. “It was titled ‘This Is It.’ It was in a box, and we listened to it.”
This Is It” was also to have been the title of Mr. Jackson’s 50-concert run in London, although the synergy is unclear; Mr. Stringer and others with knowledge of the production say the song was not part of it. It will, however, be included in the soundtrack for the film, along with a poem titled “Planet Earth,” standard versions of 14 of Mr. Jackson’s hits and a few 1980s demos. The album goes on sale Oct. 27, and the film is due out the next day, but the newly released song will not be sold separately as a single.


here is the link for the full article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/arts/music/12michael.html?_r=1&sq=this is it song&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=print
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by Rach on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:43 pm

Hmmm, so the title of the song came BEFORE the movie title? Interesting.

I often wondered if "This Is It" had any hidden meanings, besides the obvious goodbyes.

Another stumper me thinks!
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by MJFOREVER on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:44 pm

I should be ashamed of myself Embarassed
I havent even heard the whole song i was very busy but thats no excuse im gonna listen to it right about!



























NOW:P
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by Harleyblonde on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:54 pm

I too am intrigued and will be very surprised if the "this is it" song is indeed an old one. I am thinking back to the 02 announcement and the times MJ kept saying "this is it". So he just by sheer coincodence he happens to keep using that phrase (or instigatied his double to say this as lots think it wasn't him but if not him he was still behind it all) "this is it" and it just happens to be the title of a film that we are supposed to believe was at that stage not planned and that the first single released after his "death" happens to be an old one that he had done 18-20 years ago. If they think I believe that then they should think I believe in father Christmas and the tooth fairy!!
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by See on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:55 pm

Rach wrote:Hmmm, so the title of the song came BEFORE the movie title? Interesting.

I often wondered if "This Is It" had any hidden meanings, besides the obvious goodbyes.

Another stumper me thinks!

In the book Moonwalker, there was this thing with the Jackson 5's last concert.
Michael wanted to call it This is it or Final curtain call...but the brother's that it would sound like somebody had died and didn't go throu with it...does anybody remember?????
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by Truth_or_Dare on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:57 pm

I actually don't find it that odd...it's pretty clear by now, at least for me, that they are in this for the money and they do whatever they can to earn some more...the fact that 90% goes to the kids doesn't mean that much...or it could mean... the more they make the more they will get...even if mot all he millions...does it make sense?
They are using MJ's death to get rich! We've known this all long,,,
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by city.gal1 on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:57 pm

See,

I don't remember this but supposedly the background vocals on this song are by the "5" so it jives with what you're saying.
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by shirley-grace on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:58 pm

I think the song has nothing to do with the movie.
Sony sucks and they are pretty desperate, throwing out a demo
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by Truth_or_Dare on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:58 pm

See wrote:
Rach wrote:Hmmm, so the title of the song came BEFORE the movie title? Interesting.

I often wondered if "This Is It" had any hidden meanings, besides the obvious goodbyes.

Another stumper me thinks!

In the book Moonwalker, there was this thing with the Jackson 5's last concert.
Michael wanted to call it This is it or Final curtain call...but the brother's that it would sound like somebody had died and didn't go throu with it...does anybody remember?????

Yes I remember...and I think MJ decided to call it Victory to sound less...sad or final...
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by MJFOREVER on Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:59 pm

I love it:D very beautiful song:D it gives me a very relaxed, peacefull feeling Embarassed you did it again mickey:P

And what's up with the brothers in the pther version of the song (isnt out yet, its for the abum).
If it was recorded back in the day oke but if the did i now the only thing i can say is wow guys you did it again how scandelous getting money over youre brothers back;)

Oke i dont know the whole story so i shouldnt say stuff like that but thats my oppinion for now:P EVERYTHING FOR THE MONEY huh Rolling Eyes
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by ishealive on Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:21 pm

We all believe MJ is alive so isn't it fair to say MJ is behind this new/old song? So I can't blame Sony for everything money making wise, surely MJ has a say in all of this!
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by kdkennedy74 on Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:55 pm

See wrote:
Rach wrote:Hmmm, so the title of the song came BEFORE the movie title? Interesting.

I often wondered if "This Is It" had any hidden meanings, besides the obvious goodbyes.

Another stumper me thinks!

In the book Moonwalker, there was this thing with the Jackson 5's last concert.
Michael wanted to call it This is it or Final curtain call...but the brother's that it would sound like somebody had died and didn't go throu with it...does anybody remember?????


Yes I remember this very well. But yet I still find it strange that they find this tape in a box. It seems an unlikely story considering that Janet and Latoya cleaned the house of his personal belongings shortly after his "death". IMO if this was something he wasn't happy with and didn't want released it would have never been found and if it were it would have taken quite a bit longer than it has. I think this was intentionally released by Michael because he wanted to name the final Jackson tour "This Is It" and they wouldn't have it so he showed them up and used the name for his last one and now the song has been found and released. Once again, way to go Michael. He is such a genius and if his brothers would have just listened to him maybe they wouldn't all be broke and begging for attention!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:58 pm

I don't know if MJ would care wether or not Sony is making the money...he was in fights with them for the past few. Of course he would KNOW that they would make it. I listened to this song today and I love it. It obviousley has a late eighties /early nineties sound. I don't know. They may have pulled it out to match the movie.
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by yaya on Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:00 pm

i like the song, but was a little disappointed when i found out it was old and had been song already by safire under a different title. sony has been acting like the song is literally brand new...and those are the exact words they used on michael jackson's facebook page when they announced the song last night.

but that quote, about death being a ploy to get more money, is definitely an odd one! speaking of, there's a show that comes on here called "castle" (which i've never really watched) and the next episode is gonna be about a man who faked his death. in the preview, they make references to things not seeming as they appear. made me think of michael when i saw that!
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:05 pm

HAHA-I havent ever watched "Castle"-kind of boring when I tried.
@YAYA-I do agree ,I was disapointed as well(finding out the song was not new).
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by MJFOREVER on Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:14 pm

ishealive wrote:We all believe MJ is alive so isn't it fair to say MJ is behind this new/old song? So I can't blame Sony for everything money making wise, surely MJ has a say in all of this!

Hmm you got a point there:P
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Post by Harleyblonde on Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:16 pm

ishealive wrote:We all believe MJ is alive so isn't it fair to say MJ is behind this new/old song? So I can't blame Sony for everything money making wise, surely MJ has a say in all of this!

I agree with you. If we are right in thinking MJ is alive then he will be pulling some strings from where he is hidden away, either he will trust someone and have given them authority or maybe someone there is in on the hoax.
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by juliet on Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:17 pm

I knew it all along. Remember my Topic on GRR!!THIS IS IT MOVIE SONG, I posted a very longggg post on how I felt and what an easy way to make money by just putting old works of Michael and OILA $$$$$$$$ales from the death hoax to the memoprial to the funeral and wait for the sequel to all of these because they have to make some more money before everything sizzles out. Michael is not in htis that's why he's watching on the sides and ...just read my longgggggg post.
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Post by ziffes on Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:30 pm

it has already been on the radio here in Denmark.. and what the radio DJ said before the song was this: Im not sure what to think of the release.. whether or not MJ would have approved of it or he is turning in his coffin right now..(his words not mine)
but it is really odd that the media doesn't approve of it with a happy face.. so there must be a rat for sure
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by mjssoulmate on Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:07 pm

The song is an old one that he recorded with his brothers. That it was found in a box is quite likely. I rememberMichael stating during a trial that songs are left everywhere: In studios, boxes, in his safe, etc.

As for Sony making money... Michael owns half of Sony. So who is making money?


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Post by MJ'sForever on Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:45 pm

besides anything Michael does is better than anything other artists are doing today.... His rejects are better than anything I hear on the radio. I hope they release them all.
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by yaya on Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:48 pm

MJ'sForever wrote:besides anything Michael does is better than anything other artists are doing today.... His rejects are better than anything I hear on the radio. I hope they release them all.

LOL, i agree with that.
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by Harleyblonde on Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:51 pm

mjssoulmate wrote:The song is an old one that he recorded with his brothers. That it was found in a box is quite likely. I rememberMichael stating during a trial that songs are left everywhere: In studios, boxes, in his safe, etc.

As for Sony making money... Michael owns half of Sony. So who is making money?

Very good point. Something tells me that MJ might just be behind this. If he was alive which we all think he is he would have to have had something to do with the release.
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Post by spider monkey on Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:01 pm

i read that this is from 1979, with the brothers on back-up vocals, and listening to the song, it does sound like it. i'd have to admit that i was kind of disappointed with regard to the hoax because i thought that if Michael were in on the release of this song, he would have 'demanded' that it be re-mastered or something. but back in 79, MJ wasn't with Sony yet - was that CBS at the time? or Epic of Sony? i wonder what kind of box they're talking about. and where that box is.

it's a love song, too, so it's not really related to the movie.
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Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:12 pm

mjssoulmate wrote:The song is an old one that he recorded with his brothers. That it was found in a box is quite likely. I rememberMichael stating during a trial that songs are left everywhere: In studios, boxes, in his safe, etc.

As for Sony making money... Michael owns half of Sony. So who is making money?
hmmmm nice!
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by yaya on Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:02 pm

neverlandprincess wrote:HAHA-I havent ever watched "Castle"-kind of boring when I tried.
@YAYA-I do agree ,I was disapointed as well(finding out the song was not new).

lol, i know...i haven't been able to get into it either, but the topic caught my eye! maybe i should try again!
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:58 am

spider monkey wrote:i read that this is from 1979, with the brothers on back-up vocals, and listening to the song, it does sound like it. i'd have to admit that i was kind of disappointed with regard to the hoax because i thought that if Michael were in on the release of this song, he would have 'demanded' that it be re-mastered or something. but back in 79, MJ wasn't with Sony yet - was that CBS at the time? or Epic of Sony? i wonder what kind of box they're talking about. and where that box is.

This is my problem too. Michael owns all of his own music and publishing, not Sony. I don't believe Michael would have ever released this song...he obviously "stole" it from Paul Anka because he didn't like it and that's why it was kept in the vault since 1983. He is way too much of a perfectionist to allow a raw demo like this be released. This is not fitting with the hoax theory for me and I don't like it. Sad


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Post by HeavyHearts on Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:01 am

Well.. OLD or NEW
i still love it Very Happy

but I would like it to be new..
oh well

cant change it, might as well love it! cheers
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Post by ziffes on Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:09 am

well it has been out before... that for sure..
listen to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCV1h40oS0o
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by 4evermichael71 on Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:40 am

See wrote:
Rach wrote:Hmmm, so the title of the song came BEFORE the movie title? Interesting.

I often wondered if "This Is It" had any hidden meanings, besides the obvious goodbyes.

Another stumper me thinks!

In the book Moonwalker, there was this thing with the Jackson 5's last concert.
Michael wanted to call it This is it or Final curtain call...but the brother's that it would sound like somebody had died and didn't go throu with it...does anybody remember?????

I don't remember that part. I have the book but I can't seem to find it. Wat chapter is it in? I'm thinking "Dancing Machine" but so far I've had no luck.
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Post by badloving on Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:04 am

quote from Moonwalker .. ''The Victory tour was originally going to be called “The Final Curtain” because we all realised it was going to be the last tour we did together. But we decided not to put the emphasis on that.''

and i also found an interesting part about film ..

''I flew up to San Francisco a couple of times to visit George at his place, Skywalker Ranch, and gradually we came up with a scenario for a short film that would incorporate every recent advance in 3-D technology. Caption Eo would look and feel like the audience was in a spaceship, along for the ride...
I love the movies and have since I was real little. For two hours you can be transported to another place. Films can take you
anywhere. That's what I like. I can sit down and say, “Okay, nothing else exists right now. Take me to a place that's wonderful and make me forget about my pressures and my worries and day-to-day schedule.I also love to be in front of a 35 mm camera.

I used to hear my brothers say, “I'll be glad when this shoot is over,” and I couldn't understand why they weren't enjoying it. I would be watching, trying to learn, seeing what the director was trying to get, what the light man was doing. I wanted to know where the light was coming from and why the director was doing a scene so many times. I enjoyed hearing about the changes
being made in the script. It's all part of what I consider my ongoing education in films.

Pioneering new ideas is so exciting to me and the movie industry seems to be suffering right now from a death of ideas; so many people are doing the same things. The big studios remind me of the way Motown was acting when we were having disagreements with them: they want easy answers, they want their people to do formula stuff - sure bets - only the public gets bored, of course. So many of them are doing the same old corny stuff. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg are exceptions.
I'm going to try to make some changes. I'm going to try to change things around someday.''
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Post by badloving on Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:17 am

it's in Chapter Six- All you need is love....i forgot to add...
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Post by 4evermichael71 on Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:58 am

badloving wrote:it's in Chapter Six- All you need is love....i forgot to add...

Found it, thank you Very Happy
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Post by badloving on Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:20 am

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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:18 am

I heard that this song was NOT originally titled This Is it. It was called something else and that RANDY or maybe Jermaine found this song in a box and discovered it had the words "This is it" in it and they changed the song title to coinside witht he movie and saw $$ signs. .....and ADDED the JAckson Bros singing back up recently.
Dont you find it odd that there just happens to be a song from 1979 thats called "this is it"? I think not.
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Post by badloving on Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:37 am

it was called "I Never Heard" and and it was sang by Safire
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by neverlandprincess on Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:04 am

HeavyHearts wrote:Well.. OLD or NEW
i still love it

but I would like it to be new..
oh well

cant change it, might as well love it!

Ditto
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:17 am

badloving wrote:it was called "I Never Heard" and and it was sang by Safire

Thanks!! I couldnt think of the name of the song or singer when I was typing!! DUH!
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by Harleyblonde on Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:20 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:I heard that this song was NOT originally titled This Is it. It was called something else and that RANDY or maybe Jermaine found this song in a box and discovered it had the words "This is it" in it and they changed the song title to coinside witht he movie and saw $$ signs. .....and ADDED the JAckson Bros singing back up recently.
Dont you find it odd that there just happens to be a song from 1979 thats called "this is it"? I think not.

If this is true which it may well be true it deeply disturbs me as it would suggest that he has no control over anything and he is in fact dead. Or could it be that they have done this despite his wishes or did MJ want this to be released. I would have thought he would use a new song and not one over 20 years old that wasn't even his. This has troubled me. What do you guys think?
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by neverlandprincess on Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:24 am

Well on the thread for "MJ kicks Sony butt"-it says nothing about the Jackson brothers finding the song. Anka blew the whistle on the song not being new. I have no idea-it does seem that if he had big plans for this movie and it being intertwined in the hoax that he would have a new song. That is if the movie was ever intended to be part of the hoax.
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:09 am

Harleyblonde wrote:
If this is true which it may well be true it deeply disturbs me as it would suggest that he has no control over anything and he is in fact dead. Or could it be that they have done this despite his wishes or did MJ want this to be released. I would have thought he would use a new song and not one over 20 years old that wasn't even his. This has troubled me. What do you guys think?

That's exactly my problem with this song being released...you just said it better than me. Laughing McClain is saying he gave Sony 50 songs to pick from and they chose this one, probably because of the words. They obviously didn't know it was also Anka's song, but I'm pretty sure McClain did. So either he hoped Anka wouldn't say anything, or maybe someone is pulling strings behind the scenes.
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by 4evermichael71 on Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:19 am

I go with Michael pulling the strings behind the scenes. Sony got nailed in a big way with this...and IMO just as Michael planned Very Happy
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Re: New "This Is It" song questioned on British news.

Post by spider monkey on Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:48 am

badloving wrote:quote from Moonwalker .. ''The Victory tour was originally going to be called “The Final Curtain” because we all realised it was going to be the last tour we did together. But we decided not to put the emphasis on that.''

and i also found an interesting part about film ..

''I flew up to San Francisco a couple of times to visit George at his place, Skywalker Ranch, and gradually we came up with a scenario for a short film that would incorporate every recent advance in 3-D technology. Caption Eo would look and feel like the audience was in a spaceship, along for the ride...
I love the movies and have since I was real little. For two hours you can be transported to another place. Films can take you
anywhere. That's what I like. I can sit down and say, “Okay, nothing else exists right now. Take me to a place that's wonderful and make me forget about my pressures and my worries and day-to-day schedule.I also love to be in front of a 35 mm camera.

I used to hear my brothers say, “I'll be glad when this shoot is over,” and I couldn't understand why they weren't enjoying it. I would be watching, trying to learn, seeing what the director was trying to get, what the light man was doing. I wanted to know where the light was coming from and why the director was doing a scene so many times. I enjoyed hearing about the changes
being made in the script. It's all part of what I consider my ongoing education in films.

Pioneering new ideas is so exciting to me and the movie industry seems to be suffering right now from a death of ideas; so many people are doing the same things. The big studios remind me of the way Motown was acting when we were having disagreements with them: they want easy answers, they want their people to do formula stuff - sure bets - only the public gets bored, of course. So many of them are doing the same old corny stuff. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg are exceptions.
I'm going to try to make some changes. I'm going to try to change things around someday.''

i was just watching The Jacksons Exposed, and there's a part there where the Thriller era Michael was saying he wanted to do films, and he says "realism...not plastic....feelings and beliefs...bringing the world together through love, peace, joy..."
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