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Post by emanviam on Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:02 am

missdahmer wrote:you can't exhume a body to 'return tissues'. only time I can ever think of someone needing to exhume a body is if it would help in trying to find out who killed the person.

Exactly.
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Post by dianafan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:57 am

In Daily Star (I know, I know, but my usual paper was sold out) - says MJ was put in to Berry Gordy's crypt last Thursday with only 2 (I think) family members present. There was even a picture of the coffin and with a picture above it of 3 children, but not PP & Blanket. Pics not on internet, only in paper.

Family could just employ a lawyer to sue every single paper for making up blatant rubbish, they would be trillionaires!
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:08 am

I think the family is dancing around this on purpose. They didnt want anyone to know WHEN (or if) he has been buried because of all the fans that would rush to the burial site. Some would probably dig him up. It was a safety issue.
I think whatever they did bury (if anything) was an empty coffin.
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Post by ishealive on Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:09 am

Rachel wrote:So I'm watching GMTV at the moment and Brian Oxman (The Jackson's lawyer) has just done an interview about Paris and Mark Lester when he was asked if Michael had been buried yet.

His reply was that Michael was buried at the time of the memorial. He also stated that he was buried without tissues etc that the coroner needed but they was later returned to the body.

Whats are peoples thoughts on this?





I heard on local radio today that he was finally laid to rest today and the delay was they were waiting on his brain.
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:12 am

And why would they bury him in Berry Gordy's crypt? I would think the Jackson have a family plot???
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:19 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:And why would they bury him in Berry Gordy's crypt? I would think the Jackson have a family plot???

I think it's illegal under California law to bury someone in someone else's crypt/plot.
Michael Jackson could never have been buried in Berry Gordy's crypt because he's not a member of the Gordy family so it would have been impossible for them to bury him there.
They did say they were storing the casket in Berry Gordy's crypt (along with a description of the crypt) just after the memorial before they transferred it to the basement/underground secure area of the Forest Lawn main building.
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Post by Rach on Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:21 am

Ok to the guys who are feeling down about this, look at the sources! I mean Uri Gella, Brian Oxman and The Mirror?!

No offical statement from the family has been made either and when Jermaine was on LKL last week wasn't he STILL protesting they didn't know where to put the body?

I think this story has given me my greatest hope yet Smile
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:06 pm

It looks like Brian Oxman said a lot during his interview this morning, I missed all of it but he commented on the mark lester claiming to be Paris' father and said he didn't believe it, he believed Michael was the father.

Btw, whoever posted that Uri Gellar clip, that was genius (sorry for not going back to check your name), I knew he was a fraud and this just confirms it. I watched his documentary 'My friend Michael Jackson: Uri's story' weeks ago and this just made me detest him even more.
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:08 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:It looks like Brian Oxman said a lot during his interview this morning, I missed all of it but he commented on the mark lester claiming to be Paris' father and said he didn't believe it, he believed Michael was the father.

Btw, whoever posted that Uri Gellar clip, that was genius (sorry for not going back to check your name), I knew he was a fraud and this just confirms it. I watched his documentary 'My friend Michael Jackson: Uri's story' weeks ago and this just made me detest him even more.

If Michael is dead, Uri is on the list of people responsible. (because of introducing MJ to Martin Bashir) And deep down he knows it too.
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Post by Rach on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:10 pm

ishealive wrote:
Rachel wrote:So I'm watching GMTV at the moment and Brian Oxman (The Jackson's lawyer) has just done an interview about Paris and Mark Lester when he was asked if Michael had been buried yet.

His reply was that Michael was buried at the time of the memorial. He also stated that he was buried without tissues etc that the coroner needed but they was later returned to the body.

Whats are peoples thoughts on this?





I heard on local radio today that he was finally laid to rest today and the delay was they were waiting on his brain.

There's just too many conflicting reports! First Brian Oxman says it was at the memorial, then the papers are saying that it was at the weekend and Jermaine still insists that Michael is awaiting to be buried! My head can't take anymore Sad lol
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:14 pm

I say if the paparazzi is able to trail the family to an Italian restaurant, they can trail them to a burial site. I totally don't buy it. Wherever they bury MJ (assuming he is dead), the papps will be totally up their butt about it.
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Post by MJGIRL18 on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:17 pm

don't worry michael is somewhere chilling,drinking a cold lemonade........he was not buried..........he is still alive
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:22 pm

Here's something else about Mr Gellar. I bought a book on Michael Jackson, well I bought two but one was the J Randy Taborelli book so let's ignore that for the time being.
It is the 'Michael Jackson King Of Pop 1958-2009' book by Emily Herbert.
On page 3, the final paragraph it reads:
"Across the world, shocked associates were responding to what they had heard. 'I must hear it from a doctor,' said Michael's friend Uri Gellar to one reporter. 'I cannot believe everything I see and read and hear at the moment. I hope it's not true, I am waiting like you are, like the whole planet is waiting, to hear it from the mouth of the doctor taking care of him. I'm absolutely devastated and shocked. He was a young man, terribly fit and in good shape.'

I'm sorry, what? We haven't heard ANYTHING from the mouth of the 'doctor taking care of him.' We haven't heard from anyone at UCLA Medical centre, we haven't heard from the Coroner, we haven't even heard from Dr Murray.
This ties in with what Uri said about believing it was a hoax when he first heard.
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Post by annieisnotokey on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:26 pm

This is insane.

He can’t be buried on July 7th, about to be buried, just buried, plastinated, on ice, cremated, still in the coroner’s office, buried in Neverland, buried in Forrest Lawn, buried in an unmarked grave, with his brain, without his brain, with his nose, without his nose, etc-etc-etc all at the same time!!!

My mind hurts.

So much confusion makes me wanna scream… for real. I mean it.


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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:28 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:This is insane.

He can’t be buried on July 7th, about to be buried, just buried, plastinated, cremated, still in the coroner’s office, buried in Neverland, buried in Forrest Lawn, buried in an unmarked grave, with his brain, without his brain, with his nose, without his nose, etc-etc-etc all at the same time!!!

My mind hurts.

So much confusion makes me wanna scream… for real. I mean it.
You just made my brain hurt listing all of those, it'll give anyone a headache let alone us on here who have been at it for 6 weeks give or take
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Post by ishealive on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:31 pm

It has to be BS, I mean is Brian Oxman saying MJ was buried in July and then they decided to dig him up and put his brain & other tissues into the coffin with him or cut him open again. I mean ffs that's horses**t. That makes no sense at all.
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Post by Lorrie on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:35 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:I'm sorry, what? We haven't heard ANYTHING from the mouth of the 'doctor taking care of him.' We haven't heard from anyone at UCLA Medical centre, we haven't heard from the Coroner, we haven't even heard from Dr Murray.
This ties in with what Uri said about believing it was a hoax when he first heard.

Yep. We haven't heard anything from Murray because he's a fall guy, doesn't really exist, or is getting the deal of a lifetime for his trespasses, the last of which will involve getting lots of other peeps in big-time trouble.

We haven't heard anything from the UCLA and coroner folks because something is seriously fishy behind the scenes, and it ain't this circus that the likes of TMZ keep focusing on (or maybe I should say plural "circuses").

I'm not feeling any of the elaborate theories MJ fans are coming up with except for the DEA/murder ones, although I'll be among the first to acknowledge how creative and insightful most of them are. I just still don't have a physical sense that Michael is dead, and I hope those who share my belief get some closure on this matter before we die ourselves.

How long does it take to release a darn autopsy report?!
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:38 pm

Rachel wrote:[ My head can't take anymore Sad lol


Maybe now we all know somewhat what MJ went through his whole life.....I feel terrible.
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Post by Rach on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:47 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
Rachel wrote:[ My head can't take anymore Sad lol


Maybe now we all know somewhat what MJ went through his whole life.....I feel terrible.

You know this is only a small drop of what Michael had to go through. I can't imagine how he put up with it. It would have driven me over the edge. It just goes to show what a good person he is and how much he loved to entertain and keep his fans happy. That comforts me in some way.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:47 pm

Lorrie wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:I'm sorry, what? We haven't heard ANYTHING from the mouth of the 'doctor taking care of him.' We haven't heard from anyone at UCLA Medical centre, we haven't heard from the Coroner, we haven't even heard from Dr Murray.
This ties in with what Uri said about believing it was a hoax when he first heard.

Yep. We haven't heard anything from Murray because he's a fall guy, doesn't really exist, or is getting the deal of a lifetime for his trespasses, the last of which will involve getting lots of other peeps in big-time trouble.

We haven't heard anything from the UCLA and coroner folks because something is seriously fishy behind the scenes, and it ain't this circus that the likes of TMZ keep focusing on (or maybe I should say plural "circuses").

I'm not feeling any of the elaborate theories MJ fans are coming up with except for the DEA/murder ones, although I'll be among the first to acknowledge how creative and insightful most of them are. I just still don't have a physical sense that Michael is dead, and I hope those who share my belief get some closure on this matter before we die ourselves.
How long does it take to release a darn autopsy report?!

Something is incredibly fishy behind the scenes. Every time someone high profile dies in hospital a doctor comes out to the podium and holds a press conference 'declaring' it to the worlds media. Princess Diana and so on got that treatment. I'm sure Anna Nicole got the same treatment too. When Farrah Fawcett went through her chemo and cancer/stem cell treatments in Germany her doctors spoke out.
Heck, Angelina Jolie had babies by C-Section and both births warranted press conferences. 'Octomom's' octo-kids got a press conference - and she's a nobody who got happy with hormone pills or whatever.

But Michael Jackson gets zip. zilch. zero from anyone 'Official' - the only hospital press conference he got was from Jermaine. All due respect to Jermaine but the last time I checked, Jermaine wasn't a doctor and therefore his press conference makes the announcement null and void IMO.
The only member of the Coroner's office we have seen speaking out is Asst Chief Coroner Ed Winters who has somehow taken on the role of LAPD detective seizing medical records from Klein et al.
WTF is happening with this case?

As a final note, I don't really want to be like one of those Elvis fans who 30 years later still insist that Elvis is alive. I would like to have some closure before that because 30 years is a hell of a long time.
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Post by Lorrie on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:48 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
Rachel wrote:[ My head can't take anymore Sad lol

Maybe now we all know somewhat what MJ went through his whole life.....I feel terrible.

Ditto, both Rachel and JACKSONOLOGIST. I follow these developments all day long, everyday, but most of the time I'm too stunned at the unbelievable bizareness of it all to form any kind of clear comment.

I've never witnessed anything like this in my life, and I can't even begin to imagine what it must have felt like to be Michael, so sensitive and kind, yet forced to exist in the midst of all this depraved and greedy insanity.

And people called HIM weird!
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Post by Lorrie on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:50 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Something is incredibly fishy behind the scenes. Every time someone high profile dies in hospital a doctor comes out to the podium and holds a press conference 'declaring' it to the worlds media. Princess Diana and so on got that treatment. I'm sure Anna Nicole got the same treatment too. When Farrah Fawcett went through her chemo and cancer/stem cell treatments in Germany her doctors spoke out.
Heck, Angelina Jolie had babies by C-Section and both births warranted press conferences. 'Octomom's' octo-kids got a press conference - and she's a nobody who got happy with hormone pills or whatever.

But Michael Jackson gets zip. zilch. zero from anyone 'Official' - the only hospital press conference he got was from Jermaine. All due respect to Jermaine but the last time I checked, Jermaine wasn't a doctor and therefore his press conference makes the announcement null and void IMO.
The only member of the Coroner's office we have seen speaking out is Asst Chief Coroner Ed Winters who has somehow taken on the role of LAPD detective seizing medical records from Klein et al.
WTF is happening with this case?

As a final note, I don't really want to be like one of those Elvis fans who 30 years later still insist that Elvis is alive. I would like to have some closure before that because 30 years is a hell of a long time.

Very well said, Another.Part.Of.Me. You took ALL of the words right out of my brain. You must be a mindreader!
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:53 pm

Lorrie wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Something is incredibly fishy behind the scenes. Every time someone high profile dies in hospital a doctor comes out to the podium and holds a press conference 'declaring' it to the worlds media. Princess Diana and so on got that treatment. I'm sure Anna Nicole got the same treatment too. When Farrah Fawcett went through her chemo and cancer/stem cell treatments in Germany her doctors spoke out.
Heck, Angelina Jolie had babies by C-Section and both births warranted press conferences. 'Octomom's' octo-kids got a press conference - and she's a nobody who got happy with hormone pills or whatever.

But Michael Jackson gets zip. zilch. zero from anyone 'Official' - the only hospital press conference he got was from Jermaine. All due respect to Jermaine but the last time I checked, Jermaine wasn't a doctor and therefore his press conference makes the announcement null and void IMO.
The only member of the Coroner's office we have seen speaking out is Asst Chief Coroner Ed Winters who has somehow taken on the role of LAPD detective seizing medical records from Klein et al.
WTF is happening with this case?

As a final note, I don't really want to be like one of those Elvis fans who 30 years later still insist that Elvis is alive. I would like to have some closure before that because 30 years is a hell of a long time.

Very well said, Another.Part.Of.Me. You took ALL of the words right out of my brain. You must be a mindreader!
Not a mindreader lol otherwise I would just read the Jackson family's minds and blow the hoax out of the water hehe lol!

Great minds think alike and I think we have some of the finest minds in the world on this forum *nods* cheers


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Post by Lorrie on Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:04 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Great minds think alike and I think we have some of the finest minds in the world on this forum

I'll definitely second that!


MyBelovedMJ wrote:He was never weird.

The only thing Michael really ever was, was Lonely. That bring alot of sadness with it.

I agree, MyBelovedMJ. And what makes it even sadder is that there are hundreds, if not thousands or even millions, of people out here in the "real" world who could be excellent, supportive, and very loyal friends of Michael, but it seems there's just no way for us "regular" folks to connect with him.
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:27 pm

[quote="Lorrie"]
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Great minds think alike and I think we have some of the finest minds in the world on this forum

I'll definitely second that!


MyBelovedMJ wrote:He was never weird.

The only thing Michael really ever was, was Lonely. That bring alot of sadness with it.

I agree, MyBelovedMJ. And what makes it even sadder is that there are hundreds, if not thousands or even millions, of people out here in the "real" world who could be excellent, supportive, and very loyal friends of Michael, but it seems there's just no way for us "regular" folks to connect with him.[/quote]


I think we are connecting with him right now. On some level....dead or alive. It makes me sad to see a glimpse into his life and what he went through...although a thousand times worse. But thats all he knew. I feel closer to him now more then ever and in that sense, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. His energy, if you will, flows through you like a warm breeze and makes you feel good!!

Michael,, if you ever read this, please know that we all truly love you MORE then you love us!! We're on your side all the way babe!!
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:39 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:This is insane.

He can’t be buried on July 7th, about to be buried, just buried, plastinated, cremated, still in the coroner’s office, buried in Neverland, buried in Forrest Lawn, buried in an unmarked grave, with his brain, without his brain, with his nose, without his nose, etc-etc-etc all at the same time!!!

My mind hurts.

So much confusion makes me wanna scream… for real. I mean it.

So far MJ has died in every room of his house, plus later at the
hospital. He was dead when paramedics got there AND was in a coma later
at the hospital, then died again. So far there has been no one in the
house and a whole gaggle of people in a prayer circle. MJ has been
cremated, not cremated, lost, buried, and not buried several times now.
Tell me again why I’m supposed to believe he’s even dead?
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Post by shirley-grace on Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:42 pm

That's the point! Exclamation
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Post by annieisnotokey on Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:46 pm

Lorrie wrote:
I agree, MyBelovedMJ. And what makes it even sadder is that there are hundreds, if not thousands or even millions, of people out here in the "real" world who could be excellent, supportive, and very loyal friends of Michael, but it seems there's just no way for us "regular" folks to connect with him.

We'd make an incredible group of friends for Michael.
We are respectful with each other, sweet and supportive.
We have the ability to see beyond what the media is trying to feed us.
We always find the way to make each other smile a little, no matter how sad we feel.
And best of all, we live all over the world, so he can find a place to stay and friends to hang around with no matter where he goes.
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:47 pm

Lorrie wrote:

I agree, MyBelovedMJ. And what makes it even sadder is that there are hundreds, if not thousands or even millions, of people out here in the "real" world who could be excellent, supportive, and very loyal friends of Michael, but it seems there's just no way for us "regular" folks to connect with him.

And no way for him to know we wouldn't betray him too. After all, it was him trusting "regular people" like the Chandlers and the Arvizos (not that that last family was very regular on any level) that got him into his biggest mess.

I echo your feeling that it has to be incredibly awful and lonely to know that millions of people 'love' you, and at least a decent percentage of those really do, and really would understand you and be a real friend to you. But the impossibility of hooking up with the right ones, while shunning the wrong or even dangerous ones is so Herculean, and that very knowledge must make the whole experience all the more lonely.
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Post by Lorrie on Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:51 pm

mjfan wrote:
Lorrie wrote:

I agree, MyBelovedMJ. And what makes it even sadder is that there are hundreds, if not thousands or even millions, of people out here in the "real" world who could be excellent, supportive, and very loyal friends of Michael, but it seems there's just no way for us "regular" folks to connect with him.

And no way for him to know we wouldn't betray him too. After all, it was him trusting "regular people" like the Chandlers and the Arvizos (not that that last family was very regular on any level) that got him into his biggest mess.

So right you are, mjfan. I should correct what I said earlier: It seems there's just no way for many of us "regular, mentally stable" folks to connect with Michael.

And I echo the others who've stated that they are there for him if need be. In a heartbeat.


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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:54 pm

Lorrie wrote:
mjfan wrote:
Lorrie wrote:

I agree, MyBelovedMJ. And what makes it even sadder is that there are hundreds, if not thousands or even millions, of people out here in the "real" world who could be excellent, supportive, and very loyal friends of Michael, but it seems there's just no way for us "regular" folks to connect with him.

And no way for him to know we wouldn't betray him too. After all, it was him trusting "regular people" like the Chandlers and the Arvizos (not that that last family was very regular on any level) that got him into his biggest mess.

So right you are, mjfan. I should correct what I said earlier: It seems there's just no way for many of us "regular, mentally stable" folks to connect with Michael.

And I echo the others who've stated that they are their for him if need be. In a heartbeat.
In a heartbeat. We've always been there for him, through his trials and his tribulations, supporting him and sending, no projecting our love for him to give him strength and let him know we're always there, even if he never meets us, even if he never knows we exist. We are here. Forever and Always.
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:56 pm

Lorrie wrote:
mjfan wrote:
Lorrie wrote:

I agree, MyBelovedMJ. And what makes it even sadder is that there are hundreds, if not thousands or even millions, of people out here in the "real" world who could be excellent, supportive, and very loyal friends of Michael, but it seems there's just no way for us "regular" folks to connect with him.

And no way for him to know we wouldn't betray him too. After all, it was him trusting "regular people" like the Chandlers and the Arvizos (not that that last family was very regular on any level) that got him into his biggest mess.

So right you are, mjfan. I should correct what I said earlier: It seems there's just no way for many of us "regular, mentally stable" folks to connect with Michael.

And I echo the others who've stated that they are there for him if need be. In a heartbeat.


He should have had some sort of screening system in place. Unfortunately MJ was/is the type of person who tries to see the best in people, which leaves him open and vulnerable for psychos to move in and do stupid crap.
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Post by Give.In.To.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:13 pm

okay so is Harvey @TMZ an idiot because he just said on their live feed thing, he ain't buried.
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Give.In.To.Me wrote:okay so is Harvey @TMZ an idiot because he just said on their live feed thing, he ain't buried.
Rofl I am so glad that someone else heard that!! I asked on another thread: http://mjkit.forumotion.net/breaking-news-f3/tmz-says-jackson-autopsy-complete-but-still-secret-t265.htm#5042

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/10/tmz-live-all-things-michael-jackson/[/quote[/url]]
WTF - the guy just said on the live stream that 'Michael Jackson is not buried yet'!
Did someone else catch it, it was right after the Vegas Neverland, Caesar's Palace bit

Now they're talking about Billie Jean and the Cruise woman it's killing me, I think I'm actually going to die laughing. They just said that the reporters were questioning the crackpots as if they were hilary clinton!

One of the funniest things I have heard so far. Now they're talking about paternity tests/DNA.
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:21 pm

I've said for awhile they're going to do paternity tests. I'll bet money paternity tests are coming. This is a ploy to prove MJ's paternity and shut people up.
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Post by Rach on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:23 pm

mjfan wrote:I've said for awhile they're going to do paternity tests. I'll bet money paternity tests are coming. This is a ploy to prove MJ's paternity and shut people up.

Do we think then that Mark Lester has been asked to make these claims? He seems like a pretty stand up guy to me.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:26 pm

mjfan wrote:I've said for awhile they're going to do paternity tests. I'll bet money paternity tests are coming. This is a ploy to prove MJ's paternity and shut people up.
Not a credible source but I'm listening to the TMZ live stream with Harvey and some guy.
Harvey said that under California law the paternity of the children born during the marriage won't be questioned because a few years after birth it is practically set in concrete that the parents are the parents and this is undisputed. This is to stop people uprooting children from their homes etc.
Harvey himself noted that Klein, Lester et al have only made their 'revelations' through the media - so he called Lester up and asked him if he was going to take it to court and lester said that it was 'highly unlikely'.
Now I'm not entirely familiar with US law, but Harvey is a lawyer and he'd know best on the law right?
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:38 pm

Rachel wrote:
mjfan wrote:I've said for awhile they're going to do paternity tests. I'll bet money paternity tests are coming. This is a ploy to prove MJ's paternity and shut people up.

Do we think then that Mark Lester has been asked to make these claims? He seems like a pretty stand up guy to me.

I personally believe if this is a hoax, that BOTH Dr. Klein AND Mark Lester have been asked to make these claims. Remember Arnie Klein has been MJ's trusted dermatologist since 1986. He's all of a sudden gonna do this now? I'm not buying it.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:45 pm

mjfan wrote:
Rachel wrote:
mjfan wrote:I've said for awhile they're going to do paternity tests. I'll bet money paternity tests are coming. This is a ploy to prove MJ's paternity and shut people up.

Do we think then that Mark Lester has been asked to make these claims? He seems like a pretty stand up guy to me.

I personally believe if this is a hoax, that BOTH Dr. Klein AND Mark Lester have been asked to make these claims. Remember Arnie Klein has been MJ's trusted dermatologist since 1986. He's all of a sudden gonna do this now? I'm not buying it.
Why would either of them do this now if it's not going to go anywhere? No judge will grant them a court order because Michael and Debbie are the undisputed parents of the children.
Mark Lester is backtracking big time ever since his little 'revelation', he admits that it's 'highly unlikely' it will ever go to court. Arnie Klein has disappeared seemingly, or rather we don't see his patronising face anymore in the news.
What is any of this meant to achieve? I can sort of buy the hoax thing because I thought Mark Lester seemed like an alright, decent sort of guy like I said my original thread which is why his 'episode' startled me so much when I saw it at 1am that I went straight to my computer and put up my 'WTF Mark Lester!' thread
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Post by Lorrie on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:55 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Why would either of them do this now if it's not going to go anywhere? No judge will grant them a court order because Michael and Debbie are the undisputed parents of the children.
Mark Lester is backtracking big time ever since his little 'revelation', he admits that it's 'highly unlikely' it will ever go to court. Arnie Klein has disappeared seemingly, or rather we don't see his patronising face anymore in the news.
What is any of this meant to achieve? I can sort of buy the hoax thing because I thought Mark Lester seemed like an alright, decent sort of guy like I said my original thread which is why his 'episode' startled me so much when I saw it at 1am that I went straight to my computer and put up my 'WTF Mark Lester!' thread

My biggest hope? To make the media and all the gullible people who unquestioningly believe everything "reported," no matter how ridiculous, look like even bigger idiots.

My guess? Either to stall for more time, for whatever reason, or in Lester's case, because he really woefully misjudged the situation and the swift backlash he received.

And, yes, isn't it wonderful having such a long vacation from Arnie Klein's horrendous, smug mug? What a sleazeball... That's a nice enough development to make me feel all better.

Thanks for reminding me, Another.Part.Of.Me!
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:57 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Why would either of them do this now if it's not going to go anywhere? No judge will grant them a court order because Michael and Debbie are the undisputed parents of the children.
Mark Lester is backtracking big time ever since his little 'revelation', he admits that it's 'highly unlikely' it will ever go to court. Arnie Klein has disappeared seemingly, or rather we don't see his patronising face anymore in the news.
What is any of this meant to achieve? I can sort of buy the hoax thing because I thought Mark Lester seemed like an alright, decent sort of guy like I said my original thread which is why his 'episode' startled me so much when I saw it at 1am that I went straight to my computer and put up my 'WTF Mark Lester!' thread

It was just a theory... mainly because otherwise MJ has total and complete Sh**heads for friends. I mean Mark Lester WTF? Like you said. This guy is a godfather. That's one of the most trusted places in MJ's inner circle, and he wants to turn around and stab MJ in the back like that by running to a tabloid saying he's Paris' daddy? I'd much rather believe it's some kind of elaborate part of a hoax to prove paternity. Otherwise I feel so bad for MJ.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:59 pm

Lorrie wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Why would either of them do this now if it's not going to go anywhere? No judge will grant them a court order because Michael and Debbie are the undisputed parents of the children.
Mark Lester is backtracking big time ever since his little 'revelation', he admits that it's 'highly unlikely' it will ever go to court. Arnie Klein has disappeared seemingly, or rather we don't see his patronising face anymore in the news.
What is any of this meant to achieve? I can sort of buy the hoax thing because I thought Mark Lester seemed like an alright, decent sort of guy like I said my original thread which is why his 'episode' startled me so much when I saw it at 1am that I went straight to my computer and put up my 'WTF Mark Lester!' thread

My biggest hope? To make the media and all the gullible people who unquestioningly believe everything "reported," no matter how ridiculous, look like even bigger idiots.

My guess? Either to stall for more time, for whatever reason, or in Lester's case, because he really woefully misjudged the situation and the swift backlash he received.

And, yes, isn't it wonderful having such a long vacation from Arnie Klein's horrendous, smug mug? What a sleazeball... That's a nice enough development to make me feel all better.

Thanks for reminding me, Another.Part.Of.Me!
Stalling for time, that I can buy *nods*
Everything going on seems to be stalling and delaying tactics.

I also love the fact that we don't see Klein's smug fat face and haven't seen it for a while. Good.
Glad I could help lol Smile

Another thing, I may have mentioned it above - Harvey from TMZ said that Michael Jackson hasn't been buried yet.
Tadah! If that is any admission of this being a hoax, I don't know what is - we know he hasn't been buried yet, or at least we're sure enough of it because he's not dead. You can't bury someone if they're not dead
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Post by Rach on Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:01 pm

Ok so now Harvey Levin has said Michael is NOT buried and TMZ will have a "special" report on this tomorrow.......
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:03 pm

mjfan wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Why would either of them do this now if it's not going to go anywhere? No judge will grant them a court order because Michael and Debbie are the undisputed parents of the children.
Mark Lester is backtracking big time ever since his little 'revelation', he admits that it's 'highly unlikely' it will ever go to court. Arnie Klein has disappeared seemingly, or rather we don't see his patronising face anymore in the news.
What is any of this meant to achieve? I can sort of buy the hoax thing because I thought Mark Lester seemed like an alright, decent sort of guy like I said my original thread which is why his 'episode' startled me so much when I saw it at 1am that I went straight to my computer and put up my 'WTF Mark Lester!' thread

It was just a theory... mainly because otherwise MJ has total and complete Sh**heads for friends. I mean Mark Lester WTF? Like you said. This guy is a godfather. That's one of the most trusted places in MJ's inner circle, and he wants to turn around and stab MJ in the back like that by running to a tabloid saying he's Paris' daddy? I'd much rather believe it's some kind of elaborate part of a hoax to prove paternity. Otherwise I feel so bad for MJ.
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a b!tch pushing this point, I think I may just be too suspicious of people because I don't trust people anymore and haven't for a long time so it's easier picking people's stories apart rather than just taking it at face value.
I truly think that Michael was surrounded by scummy leeches and I'm not sure who all of them are but leeches come out when you least expect sometimes, and sometimes they can be the people you least expect too. Like I said, I'm too suspicious of people sometimes.
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:04 pm

Rachel wrote:Ok so now Harvey Levin has said Michael is NOT buried and TMZ will have a "special" report on this tomorrow.......

How can you have a special report on someone not being buried? How do your report on a negative. Is tomorrow the day all news sources are going to start updating us on all the stuff that hasn't happened?

World hasn't yet imploded. News at 11.
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Post by Rach on Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:05 pm

mjfan wrote:
Rachel wrote:Ok so now Harvey Levin has said Michael is NOT buried and TMZ will have a "special" report on this tomorrow.......

How can you have a special report on someone not being buried? How do your report on a negative. Is tomorrow the day all news sources are going to start updating us on all the stuff that hasn't happened?

World hasn't yet imploded. News at 11.

Exactly!
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:05 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a b!tch pushing this point, I think I may just be too suspicious of people because I don't trust people anymore and haven't for a long time so it's easier picking people's stories apart rather than just taking it at face value.
I truly think that Michael was surrounded by scummy leeches and I'm not sure who all of them are but leeches come out when you least expect sometimes, and sometimes they can be the people you least expect too. Like I said, I'm too suspicious of people sometimes.

No I didn't think you sounded like a bitch. You have a valid point. I just don't want Mark to have betrayed MJ like this. It's just disgusting.
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Post by Lorrie on Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:10 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Another thing, I may have mentioned it above - Harvey from TMZ said that Michael Jackson hasn't been buried yet.
Tadah! If that is any admission of this being a hoax, I don't know what is - we know he hasn't been buried yet, or at least we're sure enough of it because he's not dead. You can't bury someone if they're not dead

I am SO hoping that's the case, if only to prove that my continuing "feeling" that Michael isn't dead is correct and I'm not off my rocker.

So, it looks like sham TMZ's special report tomorrow is actually THE report to be looking forward to right about now. Who'da thunk?

Fingers crossed this one gives us some serious ground and doesn't make matters worse.

Night all, and I mean it this time. Smile Until tomorrow.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:14 pm

mjfan wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a b!tch pushing this point, I think I may just be too suspicious of people because I don't trust people anymore and haven't for a long time so it's easier picking people's stories apart rather than just taking it at face value.
I truly think that Michael was surrounded by scummy leeches and I'm not sure who all of them are but leeches come out when you least expect sometimes, and sometimes they can be the people you least expect too. Like I said, I'm too suspicious of people sometimes.

No I didn't think you sounded like a bitch. You have a valid point. I just don't want Mark to have betrayed MJ like this. It's just disgusting.
I'm starting to think it was a ploy to detract attention from the fake burial. That slipped quietly under the radar while the world went up in arms over the Mark Lester revelations. Not to mention the backlash on Mark himself. It has caused quite a stir and now Mark is backpedalling but it's too late. I'm sure they could have thought of a different 'distraction'
While everyone is hunting Mark - nobody is watching Forest Lawn or getting any real useful footage/pictures of anything Michael related in LA on sunday and monday.

Here's another thing that caught my attention. Is it just me or did TMZ in their live stream on the bit about the Funeral 'special' tomorrow, did Harvey say that they were going to get the exact plot location? It was a live stream and I can't figure a way or playing it back to double-check. Did anyone else hear that bit?
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Post by mjfan on Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:41 pm

Lorrie wrote:



I am SO hoping that's the case, if only to prove that my continuing "feeling" that Michael isn't dead is correct and I'm not off my rocker.

So, it looks like sham TMZ's special report tomorrow is actually THE report to be looking forward to right about now. Who'da thunk?

Fingers crossed this one gives us some serious ground and oesn't make matters worse.

Night all, and I mean it this time. Smile Until tomorrow.


Even if MJ turns out to be dead, you aren't off your rocker. There are many legitimate questions and weird things that don't add up. Any person paying attention who isn't a sheep would question all this. If he turns out to be dead, you weren't wrong for asking the question. Very Happy
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