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Post by The Little White Bird on Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:52 pm

could someone please tell me how did this man
die?the circumstances please?i dont mean to be nosy,i am just
wondering,there is SO much emotion and grief in these clips,the total
opposite of michaels funeral(S) thanks

He had liquid on his lungs which was hereditary but he wasn't aware of it. He died whilst on holiday to Majorca after coming back from a bar. He was drug free and had very little alcohol in his system
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Post by See on Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:56 pm

MJFoReVeRandAlways wrote:The difference is like day and night

EDIT: Thanks for posting the videos. It makes it even more real and clear.

So true... at least these ppl were not acting!!!
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Post by Undercover on Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:57 pm

ALL I WANT TO SAY ON THIS FORUM IS THAT

SOUZA MADE A BIG MISTAKE AND SHE IS GONNA PAY FOR THAT

UNFORGIVEABLE

AND YOU SHOULD START TO CONSIDER HER AS A SOMEONE WHO IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK SHE IS

IT IS A HUGE WALKING LIE

L.O.V.E. FOR SOME OF YOU
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Post by PETTINA2393 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:00 pm

Undercover wrote:ALL I WANT TO SAY ON THIS FORUM IS THAT

SOUZA MADE A BIG MISTAKE AND SHE IS GONNA PAY FOR THAT

UNFORGIVEABLE

AND YOU SHOULD START TO CONSIDER HER AS A SOMEONE WHO IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK SHE IS

IT IS A HUGE WALKING LIE

L.O.V.E. FOR SOME OF YOU

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Post by See on Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:01 pm

Undercover wrote:ALL I WANT TO SAY ON THIS FORUM IS THAT

SOUZA MADE A BIG MISTAKE AND SHE IS GONNA PAY FOR THAT

UNFORGIVEABLE

AND YOU SHOULD START TO CONSIDER HER AS A SOMEONE WHO IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK SHE IS

IT IS A HUGE WALKING LIE

L.O.V.E. FOR SOME OF YOU

Thank you! .........another one???
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Post by mir26 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:01 pm

Undercover wrote:ALL I WANT TO SAY ON THIS FORUM IS THAT

SOUZA MADE A BIG MISTAKE AND SHE IS GONNA PAY FOR THAT

UNFORGIVEABLE

AND YOU SHOULD START TO CONSIDER HER AS A SOMEONE WHO IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK SHE IS

IT IS A HUGE WALKING LIE

L.O.V.E. FOR SOME OF YOU



Oh please not again go play on youre playstation.
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Post by Harleyblonde on Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:02 pm

The Little White Bird wrote:@mir26

thanks for posting the video's. These show exactly what i was getting at with the original post.
The autopsy and funeral were performed within a week.

No-one would want to keep their relative's body for 70 days and perform 4 autopsies 3 of which state he was on drugs and then the fourth stated he was clean and drug free. Its just weird.

@harleyblonde

I fully believe that sony think that he's dead and they're having a field day raking in the cash on someone that blatently couldn't stand them. I wouldn't be surprised if they started the whole hoax death sites as another way to build up interest in the film. Face it, MJHD sprang up very quickly after his death
@ The Little White Bird Yes you have a very good point about the MJHD and there are other sites too and like you I agree from what I have seen that I don't think much to MJs dancing in the TTI trailer but I might add that my Dad is actually quite good when he's had a few! Bit like the penguin move though!
Seriously do you think we are barking up the wrong tree as regards to believing he is still alive, how much do you think he is alive? I seem to have days when I think is wishful thinking and want so much to believe 99% (100% I know is impossible without proof)
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Post by See on Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:02 pm

Could somebody just delete that!!!...
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Post by MJFOREVER on Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:05 pm

Undercover wrote:ALL I WANT TO SAY ON THIS FORUM IS THAT

SOUZA MADE A BIG MISTAKE AND SHE IS GONNA PAY FOR THAT

UNFORGIVEABLE

AND YOU SHOULD START TO CONSIDER HER AS A SOMEONE WHO IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK SHE IS

IT IS A HUGE WALKING LIE

L.O.V.E. FOR SOME OF YOU


Is that a TREATH Suspect

And who are you and for what is she gonna pay???

If you dont believe in the FAKE death of michael then what are you doing here??(just a question dont mean anything with it;))

If you are messing with one of us you ar emessing with ALL of us Rolling Eyes
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Post by Harleyblonde on Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:12 pm

Undercover wrote:ALL I WANT TO SAY ON THIS FORUM IS THAT

SOUZA MADE A BIG MISTAKE AND SHE IS GONNA PAY FOR THAT

UNFORGIVEABLE

AND YOU SHOULD START TO CONSIDER HER AS A SOMEONE WHO IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK SHE IS

IT IS A HUGE WALKING LIE

L.O.V.E. FOR SOME OF YOU
What is this?? Go away. If you are going to insult Souza then no-one is wanting to read your posts. Go away!!!
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Post by The Little White Bird on Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:13 pm

The Little White Bird wrote:
@mir26

thanks for posting the video's. These show exactly what i was getting at with the original post.
The autopsy and funeral were performed within a week.

No-one
would want to keep their relative's body for 70 days and perform 4
autopsies 3 of which state he was on drugs and then the fourth stated
he was clean and drug free. Its just weird.

@harleyblonde

I
fully believe that sony think that he's dead and they're having a field
day raking in the cash on someone that blatently couldn't stand them. I
wouldn't be surprised if they started the whole hoax death sites as
another way to build up interest in the film. Face it, MJHD sprang up
very quickly after his death
@
The Little White Bird Yes you have a very good point about the MJHD and
there are other sites too and like you I agree from what I have seen
that I don't think much to MJs dancing in the TTI trailer but I might
add that my Dad is actually quite good when he's had a few! Bit like
the penguin move though!
Seriously do you think we are barking up
the wrong tree as regards to believing he is still alive, how much do
you think he is alive? I seem to have days when I think is wishful
thinking and want so much to believe 99% (100% I know is impossible
without proof)

I'm 50/50 to be honest. A lot does suggest that he is dead and the hawks are trying to exploit his death for as much money as they can. But on the other hand, I can't get over the fact that there was no emotion at his memorial or funeral. Unfortunately, i've been at a few funerals in my time and i've seen a few celebrity funerals on TV and at all of them, the relatives and friends are hugging each other and crying. They are not pitching their latest work project or smiling and laughing like a hyena.
So either they know he's alive or they're cold, calculating and heartless.

@undercover

I'm pretty sure we're talking about Steven Gately and Michael Jackson. When was Souza mentioned? If you want to join in the conversation, then at least have the courtesy to explain what you're talking about. Theres enough cryptic yet pointless threads on here, without you turning this one into one too. Go to the back of the class and think about what you've done


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Post by See on Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:13 pm

The Little White Bird wrote:
could someone please tell me how did this man
die?the circumstances please?i dont mean to be nosy,i am just
wondering,there is SO much emotion and grief in these clips,the total
opposite of michaels funeral(S) thanks

He had liquid on his lungs which was hereditary but he wasn't aware of it. He died whilst on holiday to Majorca after coming back from a bar. He was drug free and had very little alcohol in his system

So sad and that young.... my hart goes out to his parents!!!
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Post by icy55 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:16 pm

I remember when I kept seeing the Mr Bean song... How nice with Stephen, I loved his voice, always.
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Post by Grace on Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:53 pm

Off-topic - don't stretch and reply on this please - there are folks coming to interrupt a discussion and distract from what you are talking about. Just ignore them. If you repeat their saying by quoting, you are multiplying their efforts in spreading hatred. Just ignore them, ok? Then they will try again at a different thread. If they don't succeed and don't find an echo, they will disappear. And if not, they will be deleted. IP tracked. So don't worry, ok? I have to go now, it's 2 am... - go on with your convo and enjoy, Smiles
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Post by neverlandprincess on Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:26 pm

@Annie-HOAX
@LittleWhiteBird-ha I thought you had left us...thank you for the post ..it is excellent.
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Post by bibi on Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:57 pm

The Little White Bird wrote:Steven Gately died last week at the age of 33 (R.I.P) (he was from a band called Boyzone for the benefit of anyone not from the UK) and his funeral was covered on TV and in the newspapers. I have to say, that from observing the way his friends and family have acted, it is in complete contrast to that of Michael Jackson's friends and family and if he really has died, i feel very, very sorry for him.

Steven Gately's bandmates, manager and family could hardly hold back their tears and Louis Walsh (his manager) couldn't even go onto x-factor (british show, a bit like American Idol) for two weeks as he was too upset.
They had an open casket and everyone showed their respects through fighting back tears. That was true, raw emotion, which you would expect if someone close to you, diedtragically, at a young age.
No-one is questioning whether Steven is really dead, as unfortunately it is painfully obvious.

Which makes me wonder why MJ's funeral, looked more like a side-show or a pop concert than that of family and friends grieving for a lost loved one.
All i can say is, that i really hope it is a hoax, because if its not, then MJ really and truly had no real friends as he had stated in the past.
Its a sad, sad fact that the only people that showed any emotion for his passing where his fans, the majority of which didn't even know him.
this is the kind of thing that gives me hope on a bad day!! on the day of the funeral, joe was laughing and was cheerful...as seen on the footage from hayvenhurst by tmz from that day...now what kind of father would even smile on the day he's putting his child in the ground??!!! none!!! unless, his child is not dead...and MJ is not!! soo yay!!
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Post by queenpanther55 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:07 pm

IF MJ is really DEAD

Idea how come everything that has been out today are all issues that combine with the New movie?, dvd's, promotional concerts of brothers, etc?

Idea can't the family (at least one of them!) banned whoever is marketing Michael Jackson?

were the family satisfied with the investigation?

Idea what is the connection of having someone in family dead Plus! a record breaking movie or film?

Idea It seems that everything is ALL WELL ACCORDING TO PLAN..

lol! lol! lol!

HOAX cheers
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Post by miss j on Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:03 pm

The Little White Bird wrote:

As it should be. OK, some people don't show emotion, through shock, but everyone at the memorial were emotionless. At the burial they were all smiles. Whats that all about?!
If it was a member of my family, i'd spend a little less time worrying about capturing it in HD digital quality film and more time being upset at their passing.

true.
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Post by neverlandprincess on Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:11 pm

@grace- thanks for the centering of the convo here...we don't feed the trolls on the forum Smile
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:15 pm

lou wrote:I don't expect too much from the movie too. I'm 50/50 in the hoax death theory. Honestly I don't believe that he wanted the world to think he's dead just in order to live a normal life, because spending the rest of his life in hiding may be not very comfortable. I mean, it's just an opinion of mine. I believe that there's something more behind it, if it's indeed a hoax, and that he was in danger or something like this. I believe that sooner or later we'll hear from him - if the hoax theory is right - and the believers will have the answers for their doubts.[u] Maybe I'm just being too much optimistic.

I feel the same. I'm about 50/50, and I think this was for serious reasons as well. I don't think he will be able to stay in hiding for the rest of his life. Everyone I have talked to says they would be ecstatic if he came back, and these aren't even fans like me...not one person has said they'd be upset or angry if he faked his death.

I agree with WhiteBird in that the family's reaction is key...I've never seen such an emotionless funeral. I also agree that MJ would be in no way affiliated with the movie with Sony involved. But I haven't heard of any actual proof that any suicides took place over his death.


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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:28 pm

mir26 wrote:
Undercover wrote:ALL I WANT TO SAY ON THIS FORUM IS THAT

SOUZA MADE A BIG MISTAKE AND SHE IS GONNA PAY FOR THAT

UNFORGIVEABLE

AND YOU SHOULD START TO CONSIDER HER AS A SOMEONE WHO IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK SHE IS

IT IS A HUGE WALKING LIE

L.O.V.E. FOR SOME OF YOU



Oh please not again go play on youre playstation.

Ditto!
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Post by mjj29081958 on Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:15 pm

Ok, I just finished reading the whole thread ... I found it very interesting (except for that little interruption above!)... you all have a point to think about it here!

(Glad to see the investigation returning to mjkit! Thank You!)
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Post by ziffes on Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:52 pm

The Little White Bird wrote:
"Unfortunately, the fact is, that if he went
to the trouble to make everyone think that he's dead, then he wants
everyone to think he's dead and to be left alone.
I would be very
surprised if anything is revealed in the film and if he actually came
back. The evidence suggests it's highly unlikely."

I´d be really suprised too. I don´t expect that much of the film either. Probably only entertainment.

The strapline for the film 'Michael Jackson as you've never seen him before' is very true because from what i've seen in the clips,he seems to be dancing like my dad after a few pints too many at a wedding! Usually, they put the best bits in a trailer - i hope to hell, thats not true of this film!

*OMG* LOL why do dads do that?!?! lol! lol! lol!
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Post by lonelynation on Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:19 am

I don't expect too much from the movie too. I'm 50/50 in the hoax death theory. Honestly I don't believe that he wanted the world to think he's dead just in order to live a normal life, because spending the rest of his life in hiding may be not very comfortable. I mean, it's just an opinion of mine. I believe that there's something more behind it, if it's indeed a hoax, and that he was in danger or something like this. I believe that sooner or later we'll hear from him - if the hoax theory is right - and the believers will have the answers for their doubts.[u] Maybe I'm just being too much optimistic.

Again, if he is alive.. I don't think he'd permanently go into hiding. Bad press/good press - doesn't matter, he loved performing. He's said he feels the most comfortable on stage. I don't think he could live and not be doing something in the business. It's all he knows. He loves to create. Can you imagine this man having nothing to do with the entertainment industry? I sure can't.
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:31 am

I can't either. I guess he could release his songs under a pseudonym, but I somehow doubt it.
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Post by lonelynation on Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:33 am

Anyone who hears his voice, knows it's Michael Jackson.
He's just that unique <3
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Post by lonelynation on Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:33 am

One more thing.. I wasn't sure where to post it but the admin on MichaelJacksonHoaxDeath.com just posted this..

What’s in a Name? The MJHD Admin Conspiracy continues…

Hi there everyone – it seems the time has come once again when the spotlight has turned from Michael Jackson and the Hoax Death discussion and has been brought back to myself, MJHD Admin. I would like to say a big hello to all of our MJHD Admin ‘Haters’ who are having a wonderful time at the moment on their Forums and Blogs – taking a ‘so-called’ constructive look at me personally and at this site as usual.

I feel the need has arisen to address a few issues and pose a few questions of my own. I realise that I had two options regarding this situation – to either ignore all of you ‘Haters’ or address you. In my decision of writing this post to you, I realise that my words and entire post will be under your scrutiny. You will most likely copy it word for word into your little Forums and onto your Blogs, make snide remarks about me, laugh, joke and be as rude as possible – however I no longer have the patience to ignore you, but at the same time, I don’t really care what you have to say either.

You may be curious as to what I’m about to say though. Firstly, I would like to remind you that the more you speculate and try to ‘dig’ into my personal identity and personal life – the more wrong you are.

You continue to look into the identity of the name ‘Amy Sampson’, merely because it appears on the IP Lookup information available freely on the internet. Had it ever occurred to you that this might not be the only name of it’s kind?

You continue to look into this name – and you’re all convinced that any and all information you find about ‘Amy Sampson’ is the same person. It has obviously never occurred to you that there is more than one person of that name in Australia, USA and the World –in fact I would go so far as to say that there are hundreds.

If you do a Google Image search on this name – there are many pictures of different women, however all of you ridiculous ‘Haters’ still choose to believe there is one person of this name and that’s that.

You have done some digging as you call it and it has brought you to a Blog or two. These Blogs tell you exactly what you want to hear about this person and this name so you believe every word. You have found out – because someone told you so – that a person named Amy Sampson is the Admin of this site and that she is also the Admin of other sites. It has never occurred to you that it’s not the same person because that is not what you want to hear.

I feel sorry for you. It has obviously never occurred to you ‘Haters’ that you should be ashamed of yourselves. All of you, who contribute to your little Blogs and Forums have your screen names. No one knows your real first name – let alone full name. No one has slandered your name or has said nasty untrue things about you, and I’m sure if you were honest with yourself, if someone (or many people) were doing this to you, you would feel deeply hurt and angered.

But the sad truth is, you don’t even stop to think that what you’re doing could be hurting someone’s feelings. All you want is to make yourself feel good, by bringing someone down, slandering them and embellishing untrue rumours about them.

And the even sadder thing is the reason why you’re doing this…because the person with this name decided to create a website, devote many hours to it’s creation and upkeep, spend money on it, put a Forum on it and continue to work on it for hours each day. You are sadly justifying to yourselves that because the Admin of MJHD has put this site on the web, that it’s OK to bad mouth her and talk about her in a degrading and nasty way.

You have decided that because MJHD Admin closed down the Forum when people were digging into her personal identity previously, that it must mean that she was guilty of what they accused her of.

Had it not ever occurred to you that if you were in the position of MJHD Admin – to find that some of your own members had posted multiple links to a website with mountains of information about her so-called identity along with mountains of UNTRUE information, of a very degrading and rude nature that you would have shut down your Forum also? Had it not occurred to you that MJHD Admin did not want this kind of Untrue CRAP all over her own Forum and realised the only way she could stop being degraded and slandered on her own website was to close access to the Forum for a few days?

No, of course you haven’t thought of that. Why? Because to you, ‘Amy Sampson’ is just a name -10 letters on a page. To you this is not an identity or a real person.

Wake Up. Do yourselves a favour and find something else to b***h about. You are all wrong and just making yourselves look even more ridiculous, the more you carry on and on about MJHD Admin.

With what you are doing, there are only two possible outcomes….for MJHD to be shutdown completely and to cease to exist or for it to get bigger, better and stronger.

I assure you, it’s not going to be shutdown.

Good news travels fast – but bad news travels even faster.

I want to thank all of you for making this site even bigger and for giving it so much more exposure. The more you carry on about MJHD Admin and the site itself, the more exposure the Hoax and this site is getting, so you’re essentially making my job that much easier.

You are, however, at the same time, making yourselves look like complete idiots.

Such a shame.

For those of you who are curious about MJHD Admin and want to know about her please visit this site: www.amysampson.com.au

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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:56 am

lonelynation wrote:Anyone who hears his voice, knows it's Michael Jackson.
He's just that unique <3

Actually, I was thinking of the classical music he was composing.
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Post by lonelynation on Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:57 am

He was?
What type of fan am I? Goodness
I knew he liked classical, didn't know he was writing it.
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:01 am

Yes, I'll see if I can find you an article. Smile I would have loved to have heard it. The man who was working on it with him still hopes to release it someday, but it wasn't finished.
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Post by NYMoonwalker on Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:05 am

I've heard of the classical music composing too. I'm not sure of where I read it but it said that he had actually already started this project. It was a passion of his and I guess he wanted to show his versatility. They did said they have plans on releasing this in the future. I'm excited to see that other side of Michael
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:06 am

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Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:09 pm

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:I can't either. I guess he could release his songs under a pseudonym, but I somehow doubt it.

Def doubt it too-another thing I really feel is he wouldnt do it to US...maybe I am puttin waaay to much hope in all the "I love you,I really do-love you more/love you best" moments,but we really love MJ,because we felt the love from him. I don't think he would fake just for the sake of faking. I also think that he knows we would not be upset about it.
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Post by ishealive on Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:31 pm

Wow Amy is pi**ed off, can't say I blame her though, there'a lot of BS going on over there.
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Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:34 pm

Wow-so glad I'm not on that site-seems-I think thats what some lurkers/trolls hae tried to attempt to make happen here.
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Post by Christiana on Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:23 pm

lou wrote:I don't expect too much from the movie too. I'm 50/50 in the hoax death theory. Honestly I don't believe that he wanted the world to think he's dead just in order to live a normal life, because spending the rest of his life in hiding may be not very comfortable. I mean, it's just an opinion of mine. I believe that there's something more behind it, if it's indeed a hoax, and that he was in danger or something like this. I believe that sooner or later we'll hear from him - if the hoax theory is right - and the believers will have the answers for their doubts.[u] Maybe I'm just being too much optimistic.

I agree with you here. And if it was just a matter of wanting to live a normal life, he did not really have to fake his death to do that. He left this country in 2005 and was relatively unheard from until he decided to come back. He could have taken his kids and bought an island or something somewhere. He didn't have to hoax his death just to get away. If the hoax is real, it has to be for a reasons far more important than wanting to just escape into a "normal" life, IMO.
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Post by Harleyblonde on Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:59 pm

Christiana wrote:
lou wrote:I don't expect too much from the movie too. I'm 50/50 in the hoax death theory. Honestly I don't believe that he wanted the world to think he's dead just in order to live a normal life, because spending the rest of his life in hiding may be not very comfortable. I mean, it's just an opinion of mine. I believe that there's something more behind it, if it's indeed a hoax, and that he was in danger or something like this. I believe that sooner or later we'll hear from him - if the hoax theory is right - and the believers will have the answers for their doubts.[u] Maybe I'm just being too much optimistic.

I agree with you here. And if it was just a matter of wanting to live a normal life, he did not really have to fake his death to do that. He left this country in 2005 and was relatively unheard from until he decided to come back. He could have taken his kids and bought an island or something somewhere. He didn't have to hoax his death just to get away. If the hoax is real, it has to be for a reasons far more important than wanting to just escape into a "normal" life, IMO.
But he was followed in Dubai and we saw photos of him in a full length black burka, the media will never entirely leave him alone.
Also please dont slam me as none of us know for sure but what if he was in debt? None of us know if he was or not. We can have our opinion but how can we be sure of anything? He couldn't just retire and live on nothing plus he subsidised his family a lot. He gave huge amounts to charity but he did love to spend. His Beatles catalogue he wanted to save for his children and he was worth much more dead than alive. Elvis was.
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Post by lonelynation on Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:31 pm

Sorry quick off topic quesiton.. was there somewhere on this site that talked about 3s?
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Post by Rach on Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:29 pm

Lee, I love you so much for starting this thread Smile

It is painfully obvious that there are major differences when you put things side by side. I said to my Mum the other day, I have never known of a celebrity death where things have taken so many twists and turns. It just doesn't add up whichever way you look at it.

I watched the live coverage of Stephen's funeral on Sky News on Saturday and you could hear the pain in Ronan Keating's voice. His pain was raw and not to sound nasty, real.

I also love how you brough Louis into the equation and how he couldn't even do the X Factor because of how sad he was. I don't want to bring his all up again, but the day after wasn't Catherine shopping at "Target"?
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Post by lonelynation on Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:31 pm

I mean I realize it's still their son.. but maybe because the funeral had been postponed so many times, they had cried all they could come the actual event

I would probably cry if it were my child, even if it were a year later..
but they aren't your average family. Every one of them has been in the spotlight at some point
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Post by Rach on Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:33 pm

lonelynation wrote:I mean I realize it's still their son.. but maybe because the funeral had been postponed so many times, they had cried all they could come the actual event

Perhaps, but I don't believe any parent would ever stop crying when putting their child into the ground. I'm not a parent but my sister has a one year old and I love her like is my own.

I know if anything happened to her (god forbid) I would NEVER run out of tears for them, whether the funeral was 1 day later or a year.
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Post by lonelynation on Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:38 pm

I totally understand what you're saying, and I'm pretty sure I would act the same way as you.
I guess it's just another one of those things.. can't we take it as, that was Michael Jackson's memorial, there isn't some big conspiracy around it?
I mean that family is known for its weirdness if you ask me.
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:38 pm

Christiana wrote:
I agree with you here. And if it was just a matter of wanting to live a normal life, he did not really have to fake his death to do that. He left this country in 2005 and was relatively unheard from until he decided to come back. He could have taken his kids and bought an island or something somewhere. He didn't have to hoax his death just to get away. If the hoax is real, it has to be for a reasons far more important than wanting to just escape into a "normal" life, IMO.
HarleyBlonde wrote:But he was followed in Dubai and we saw photos of him in a full length black burka, the media will never entirely leave him alone.
Also please dont slam me as none of us know for sure but what if he was in debt? None of us know if he was or not. We can have our opinion but how can we be sure of anything? He couldn't just retire and live on nothing plus he subsidised his family a lot. He gave huge amounts to charity but he did love to spend. His Beatles catalogue he wanted to save for his children and he was worth much more dead than alive. Elvis was.

I'm in agreement with both of you in different ways. I think he could have gone off to some private island to get away from the media instead of hoaxing his death...Marlon Brando even gifted him a private tropical island before he died a few years ago. I also think this hoax most likely does have to do with money in some way. That's what most people fake their deaths for when you think about it. That doesn't make him greedy or shady, but there was a lot at stake with these tours, and if he couldn't do them and he was really $400 million in debt, then he would have had to sell his Beatles catalogue and Neverland just to get in the green. Can you imagine working your whole life as hard as he did and being left with nothing? He needed money to be safe...he couldn't just live anywhere with his enormous fame and no security. I think there are a lot of reasons he had to do this...all good ones.
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Post by Rach on Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:42 pm

lonelynation wrote:I totally understand what you're saying, and I'm pretty sure I would act the same way as you.
I guess it's just another one of those things.. can't we take it as, that was Michael Jackson's memorial, there isn't some big conspiracy around it?
I mean that family is known for its weirdness if you ask me.

I guess that depends on each person interpretation of things.

Grief does strange things to people so who knows?
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Post by lonelynation on Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:44 pm

I agree Rach.
Not that this is on the same level as someone dying, but when my parents got divorced when I was 15, I think I only cried once, then I was just mad and acted like I didn't care.
When my dog died, everyone went, and even my dad cried (which is rare) and I truly loved that dog, yet 3 years later, and I have still yet to cry.
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Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:46 pm

I have always had a hard time analyzing the memorial-I have not been able to even watch it again-it was so hard the first time.
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Post by lonelynation on Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:51 pm

See I don't seem to have much of a problem watching it because it doesnt even seem like it's a big deal to anyone. Just like "Oh there's a casket".
I really didn't feel any emotion to be honest
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Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:58 pm

Well it was supposed to be "for the fans"-and I only watched the last hour where all the back up singers sang his songs and then Paris(who I will say ,did tear me up). It was just the whole thing-all the thousands of fans watching it in the streets and theatres...I jsut found it very intense. It was only a casket I am sure -thats probably why we got that attitude. I doubt they would have had him "right there" even if he is gone.
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Post by lonelynation on Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:00 pm

Oh sorry I was referring to the actual burial, not the fan one.
I did cry during parts of the Staples Center thing - this being before all the news came out and I started to question if he was alive or not. It was pretty emotional and interesting to hear what some of the people said.
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Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:06 pm

HAHA!! Yeah. The burial is just weird (well what we actualy saw of it) ...of course the original story was we awere not gonna see any of it -IT WAS PRIVATE-but then there were cameras...and the story goes on.
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