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Post by CantStopLovingU on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:25 am

Im on MJHD - Someone else just said that they have a new clue, and they cannot say where it came from.

The clue is Culver the 25th - Here is the thread.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/i-just-received-a-clue/page-3/

There was some fighting on the thread and someone mentioned that they have to stop being to mean to anyone who posts a clue because:

SAMANTHA Posted a clue and it turned out to be TRUE. At the time I didnt put 2 and 2 together but I think this poster is right.

Didn't Samantha post her "Remember the time :50. You will need it in the future" last Friday? This was given to her by someone who she could not reveal? The next day was the :50 sec video of Liz Taylor at Universal Studios with Prince and Paris and the guy in the SAW mask?

Alot of people came down on Samantha very hard.

We have to at least believe….isn't it what we wanted all along? to be given some clues, some signs? Michael is not just going to come out on this site and say "Hi guys, come moon walk with me at Culver Studios on Sunday 25th October, 2009″.

I don't think we should disregard this.
Please keep an open open mind. Maybe these clues are given to certain people for a reason.
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Post by Grace on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:27 am

CantStopLovingU wrote: Michael is not just going to come out on this site and say "Hi guys, come moon walk with me at Culver Studios on Sunday 25th October, 2009″.

If he would - I'd fly over...
Who's going to rent the airplane for us?
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:28 am

25 october?
Did you saw what I posted on the "V For Vendatte" thread? It was something about their clue too.
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:31 am

The Sunday the 25th look at Culver...This Sunday is October 25th so I guess we need to keep our eyes, ears, and minds open.
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:31 am

Grace wrote:
CantStopLovingU wrote: Michael is not just going to come out on this site and say "Hi guys, come moon walk with me at Culver Studios on Sunday 25th October, 2009″.

If he would - I'd fly over...
Who's going to rent the airplane for us?

If it would get us to Michael and prove he is alive I would rent it!!!!!
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Post by ishealive on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:32 am

I agree, we need to keep our eyes and ears open and this clue did turn out to be right or else it was a coincidence but there's been too many coincidences since June 25th!!
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Post by 4evermichael71 on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:35 am

My dad is turning 60 that day and I'll be with him celebrating his birthday. If something happens will someone pm me?
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:36 am

Hey talking about June 25th, I just notice it was a 25th on october too!

25 + 25 = 50!
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Post by ilprincipe on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:38 am

In addition....
2 members from Australia got clues...monji and ?? I can't remember the 2nd one...
Samantha is also Australian...really weird..

the 2nd person got an additional clue:
watch the disguise....8 letters length...

and it will happen at 15:50 or US time 3:50 pm
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Post by ishealive on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:40 am

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:Hey talking about June 25th, I just notice it was a 25th on october too!

25 + 25 = 50!


Oh yeah... good catch!
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Post by ilprincipe on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:42 am

forgot to mention..the disguised person wants to xscape or sth. like this...
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:56 am

ishealive wrote:
iMISSYOUMJ wrote:Hey talking about June 25th, I just notice it was a 25th on october too!

25 + 25 = 50!


Oh yeah... good catch!

Hey something just flash trough my mind-25th Anniversary of Thriller
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Post by yaya on Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:02 am

does anyone remember if samantha said anything else along with this clue? that's really interesting and didn't even realize that liz taylor clip was 50 seconds. hmm...

@ilprincipe, what was said to happen at those times? on which date? also, isn't the founder of MJHD australian?
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Post by Grace on Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:36 am

YaYa, we do not know whether the person behind MJHD is Australian or not. In fact, in the beginning, the postings of this person fitted into Australian time zone. The "who is" at the time was also saying Queensland, Australia.

BUT: this does not mean anything and is no proof for anything.
The person behind MJHD could be anybody just claiming it.

I came to the conclusion that MJHD is a privately run site as many technical features did not work out fine with the growing number of members and traffic. Too many times there were technical issues of many kinds. A professionally run site would not have had that.

Still - there is nobody who knows who is behind MJHD and I am afraid too many folks out there don't even reflect any more about this and just take this place for granted and as a bible.

To me, MJHD has a not visible boss since much of the admin's actions point to wanting to please - not the members.

Not to forget that in CA there is a person with the same name that was selling wigs to celebrities. Does not have to be an Australian one - there are hundreds around with the same name.

In fact, we do not know anything about MJHD and never will.
Just my 2 cents on this.

Samantha claimed that she met MJ by webcam.
Don't forget however that it was Glittr first who talked to MJ and that she introduced Samantha. I think that Samantha was choosen for the message as nobody on the rational side of the world would believe her anyway as she claimed to be a youngster. However, I stumbled over her wordings and thought to myself that she did not talk as a youngster at all. I thought she was not who she wanted us to believe. When she got aggressive, the same: I did not think a youngster was capable of such wordings but only when coming out of a let's say "non-favorable-surrounding".

IMO all of this was a planned or intentional leakage of a hint.
Either by MJ camp for the fans who would recognize or by the counter camp trying to harm MJ.

I try to stick to the rational analysis which is hard to realize very often since most of the "hints" are exactly targetting the emotional levels.
Going "zoooooooooooommmmmm" in the middle of the heart.
And this "targetting the emotional levels" of the fans makes me think that someone is playing a not very nice game with the fans which is a very ugly reality, too.

These are my other 2 cents.
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Post by Kazumi on Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:05 am

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:Hey talking about June 25th, I just notice it was a 25th on october too!

25 + 25 = 50!

OMG all that numerology makes TOO MUCH sense! i guess from 24th to 25th i won't sleep why do i live so far away??!! damn... ;____; *falls on the floor*
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Post by annieisnotokey on Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:07 am

Grace wrote:
Just my 2 cents on this.

Samantha claimed that she met MJ by webcam.
Don't forget however that it was Glittr first who talked to MJ and that she introduced Samantha. I think that Samantha was choosen for the message as nobody on the rational side of the world would believe her anyway as she claimed to be a youngster. However, I stumbled over her wordings and thought to myself that she did not talk as a youngster at all. I thought she was not who she wanted us to believe. When she got aggressive, the same: I did not think a youngster was capable of such wordings but only when coming out of a let's say "non-favorable-surrounding".

IMO all of this was a planned or intentional leakage of a hint.
Either by MJ camp for the fans who would recognize or by the counter camp trying to harm MJ.

I try to stick to the rational analysis which is hard to realize very often since most of the "hints" are exactly targetting the emotional levels.
Going "zoooooooooooommmmmm" in the middle of the heart.
And this "targetting the emotional levels" of the fans makes me think that someone is playing a not very nice game with the fans which is a very ugly reality, too.

These are my other 2 cents.

@Grace
Thank you for expressing in a rational & polite way exactly what I'm feeling right now but can't bring myself to write because "clues" tend to annoy the h*ll out of me.
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:16 am

Kazumi wrote:
iMISSYOUMJ wrote:Hey talking about June 25th, I just notice it was a 25th on october too!

25 + 25 = 50!

OMG all that numerology makes TOO MUCH sense! i guess from 24th to 25th i won't sleep why do i live so far away??!! damn... ;____; *falls on the floor*

THIS IS TRUE but let's NOT forget the CULVER connection. What do we look for??
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Post by Human_nature on Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:20 am

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Post by Grace on Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:27 am

annieisnotokey wrote:
Grace wrote:
Just my 2 cents on this.

Samantha claimed that she met MJ by webcam.
Don't forget however that it was Glittr first who talked to MJ and that she introduced Samantha. I think that Samantha was choosen for the message as nobody on the rational side of the world would believe her anyway as she claimed to be a youngster. However, I stumbled over her wordings and thought to myself that she did not talk as a youngster at all. I thought she was not who she wanted us to believe. When she got aggressive, the same: I did not think a youngster was capable of such wordings but only when coming out of a let's say "non-favorable-surrounding".

IMO all of this was a planned or intentional leakage of a hint.
Either by MJ camp for the fans who would recognize or by the counter camp trying to harm MJ.

I try to stick to the rational analysis which is hard to realize very often since most of the "hints" are exactly targetting the emotional levels.
Going "zoooooooooooommmmmm" in the middle of the heart.
And this "targetting the emotional levels" of the fans makes me think that someone is playing a not very nice game with the fans which is a very ugly reality, too.

These are my other 2 cents.

@Grace
Thank you for expressing in a rational & polite way exactly what I'm feeling right now but can't bring myself to write because "clues" tend to annoy the h*ll out of me.

Annie, it is getting tough times to try to stay rational in this.
Really happy to have you here - you light up my readings a lot ;-)

However we are having a very good board here - many people are touched but not so much to lose their minds. Bravo to all sides.

But yes, I am worried about these "emotional fan harp players" - in the same way as I am somewhat frightened of the "MJ is an angel makers".

(And please you lovers of Michael don't shoot me now, I love him too ok?)
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:12 pm

I don't understand the significance of the 50 second videos...how would anyone know how long the clips are going to be on TMZ? Doesn't seem like much of a find to me, but maybe I'm missing something. I want to know if they answer Annie's question and if they get it correct, then I might be willing to listen to their "clues".
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Post by annieisnotokey on Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:22 pm

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:I don't understand the significance of the 50 second videos...how would anyone know how long the clips are going to be on TMZ? Doesn't seem like much of a find to me, but maybe I'm missing something. I want to know if they answer Annie's question and if they get it correct, then I might be willing to listen to their "clues".

No, they didn't. I'm still waiting.
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:31 pm

I wonder how long you will be waiting? Maybe forever. Laughing Has anyone heard from those two since?
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Post by mjssoulmate on Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:40 pm

So, MJHD is the curtain that the puppetmaster is behind!?

I'll keep my eyes and ears open on Sunday.
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Post by mjssoulmate on Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:56 pm

“We just found out a couple of days ago that the children were at a movie — just watching a movie and saw the preview,” Travis Payne, choreographer of “This Is It,” told Nancy. “And then [they] asked to see the movie… I think they’ll see it in the next couple of days with the family.”

Will the children be at Culver Studios on Sunday to watch TII, with Daddy in disguise?
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Post by 4evermichael71 on Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:00 pm

mjssoulmate wrote:“We just found out a couple of days ago that the children were at a movie — just watching a movie and saw the preview,” Travis Payne, choreographer of “This Is It,” told Nancy. “And then [they] asked to see the movie… I think they’ll see it in the next couple of days with the family.”

Will the children be at Culver Studios on Sunday to watch TII, with Daddy in disguise?

Very good point and an excellent possibility!
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:12 pm

mjssoulmate wrote:So, MJHD is the curtain that the puppetmaster is behind!?

I'll keep my eyes and ears open on Sunday.

That just reminded me...the PuppetMaster guy on TMZ came on yesterday to post again...I haven't seen him in ages.
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:02 am

Hmm, well they have new clues I think. Here it is,
1.Xscape…. 15:50hrs look very carefully
2.15:50 look into a certain disguise
3.15:50 hrs means 3:50 PM
4.The disguise will be 8 letters in length
5.Read quote number 159 from suzieonthedancefloor regarding clowns, halloween etc
6.Think of a deck of cards,
7.It is NOT these: dr murray, dave dave, werewolf, escaping, prisoner, thriller, etc, 8.yes all 8 letters but not these.
9.It will be one of two disguises:( as it will be live and not pre-recorded
end of the "event" the entrance to the "event" time "as stated" and someone?……………..
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Post by HeavyHearts on Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:07 am

omg thats today Shocked
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Post by Scream on Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:04 am

The Joker? That's 8 letters.
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Post by lonelynation on Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:10 am

I find this stuff so much fun!
So are we supposed to figure out answers to these?

1.Xscape…. 15:50hrs look very carefully
2.15:50 look into a certain disguise
3.15:50 hrs means 3:50 PM
4.The disguise will be 8 letters in length
5.Read quote number 159 from suzieonthedancefloor regarding clowns, halloween etc
6.Think of a deck of cards,
7.It is NOT these: dr murray, dave dave, werewolf, escaping, prisoner, thriller, etc, 8.yes all 8 letters but not these.
9.It will be one of two disguises:( as it will be live and not pre-recorded
end of the "event" the entrance to the "event" time "as stated" and someone?……………..


And if something does happen, where will it be posted so I can make sure to check. Maybe this thread?
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Post by 4evermichael71 on Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:47 am

I'm on my knees..well not literally as I can't reach my keyboard if I were..begging someone to pm me if something happens today. I have to be gone most of the day because it's my father's 60th birthday and since my folks are recently divorced I rarely see him. MJ is so important to me so PLEASE someone let me know if I missed anything!
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:09 am

Scream wrote:The Joker? That's 8 letters.

Could be, Joker is a clown isn't it? And I thought they called Michael as a Joker too?
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:40 am

Scream wrote:The Joker? That's 8 letters.

I count 5 letters.
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:45 am

VENDETTA = 8 letters
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Post by Grace on Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:48 am

You are really brilliant, chapeau! THE JOKER

I get instantly reminded of Jack Nicholson in Batman and wiki has some interesting details.

I don't want to read too much into it but certainly this would be a kind of comic and movie star that is equal to the KoP. Yes, could be his choice of disguise as his anticharacter.
If I remember well, Michael wanted to starr as Spiderman one day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_joker
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The Joker on the cover of Batman: The Man Who Laughs.
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The Joker is a fictional character, a comic book supervillain published by DC Comics and appearing as the archenemy of Batman. Created by Jerry Robinson, Bill Finger and Bob Kane, the character first appeared in Batman #1 (Spring 1940).
Throughout his comic book appearances, the Joker is portrayed as a
master criminal whose characterization has varied from that of a
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Throughout the character's long history, there have been several different origin tales;
they most commonly depict him as falling into a vat of chemical waste,
which bleaches his skin and turns his hair green and his lips bright
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As one of the most iconic and recognized villains in popular media, The Joker was ranked #1 in Wizard's list of the 100 Greatest Villains of All Time.[2] He was also named #2 in IGN's list of the Top 100 Comic Book Villains of All Time List,[3] was ranked #8 in the Greatest Comic Book Characters in History list by Empire - being the highest ranking villain on the list -,[4]
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"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to
have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice! Ha ha ha!"[6] In Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth, written by Grant Morrison,
it is said that the Joker may not be insane, but has some sort of
"super-sanity" in which he re-creates himself each day to cope with the
chaotic flow of modern urban life.[7]
The first origin account, Detective Comics #168 (February 1951), revealed that the Joker had once been a criminal known as the Red Hood. In the story, he is a chemical engineer
looking to steal from the company that employs him and adopts the
persona of Red Hood. After committing the theft, which Batman thwarts,
he falls into a vat of chemical waste. He emerges with bleached white
skin, red lips, green hair and a permanent grin.[8][9]
The most widely cited backstory, which the official DC Comics publication, Who's Who in the DC Universe credits as the most widely believed account, is featured in The Killing Joke. It depicts him as originally being an engineer at a chemical plant who quits his job to become a stand-up comedian, only to fail miserably. Desperate to support his pregnant
wife, Jeannie, he agrees to help two criminals break into the plant
where he was formerly employed to get to the card company next door. In
this version of the story, the Red Hood persona is given to the inside
man of every job (thus it is never the same man twice); this makes the
man appear to be the ringleader, allowing the two criminals to escape.
During the planning, police contact him and inform him that his wife
and unborn child have died in a household accident.[6][10]
Stricken with grief, he attempts to back out of the plan, but the
criminals strong-arm him into keeping his promise. As soon as they
enter the plant, however, they are immediately caught by security and a
shoot-out ensues, in which the two criminals are killed. As the
engineer tries to escape, he is confronted by Batman, who is
investigating the disturbance. Terrified, the engineer leaps over a
rail and plummets into a vat of chemicals. When he surfaces in the
nearby reservoir, he removes the hood and sees his reflection: bleached
chalk-white skin, ruby-red lips, and bright green hair. These events,
coupled with his other misfortunes that day, drive the engineer
completely insane, resulting in the birth of the Joker.[6][10]
The story "Pushback" (Batman: Gotham Knights #50-55) supports part of this version of the Joker's origin story. In it, a witness (who coincidentally turns out to be Edward Nigma)
recounts that the Joker's wife was kidnapped and murdered by a corrupt
cop working for the criminals in order to force the engineer into
performing the crime. The Joker attempts to find the corrupt cop who
committed the murder, but is beaten badly by Hush
and expelled from Gotham before this takes place. "Payback" also shows
pictures of the pre-disfigurement Joker — identified as "Jack" — with
his wife, giving further support to this version.[11]
The Paul Dini-Alex Ross story "Case Study" proposes a far different theory. This story suggests that the Joker was a sadistic
gangster who worked his way up Gotham's criminal food chain until he
was the leader of a powerful mob. Still seeking the thrills that dirty
work allowed, he created the Red Hood identity for himself so that he
could commit small-time crimes. Eventually, he had his fateful first
meeting with Batman, resulting in his disfigurement. However, the story
suggests that the Joker remained sane, and researched his crimes to look like the work of a sick mind in order to pursue his vendetta against Batman, able to evade permanent incarceration via insanity defense. Unfortunately, the written report found explaining this theory is discovered to have been written by Dr. Harleen Quinzel, aka Harley Quinn, the Joker's insane sidekick/lover, which invalidates any credibility it could have in court.
The most recent origin retelling is featured in the second arc of Batman Confidential
(#7-12), which re-imagines him as a gifted hitman. This origin once
more states his name as Jack, and eliminates the Red Hood identity.
Bored with his work, Jack becomes obsessed with Batman, and crashes a
museum ball to attract his attention. In doing so, he badly injures
Lorna Shore (whom Bruce Wayne is dating). An enraged Batman disfigures his face with a batarang as he escapes. In retaliation, a furious Batman sells Jack out to mobsters whom he had crossed, who torture
Jack in a disused chemical plant. Turning the tables, Jack kills
several of his assailants, but falls into an empty vat. Wild gunfire
punctures the chemical tanks above him, and the resultant flood of
toxins alters his appearance to that of a clown.[12]

[edit] Publication history

[edit] Creation
The Joker's first appearance in Batman #1 (Spring 1940)
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[edit] Golden Age
In his initial dozen or so appearances, starting with Batman #1 (1940), the Joker was a straightforward homicidal maniac, with a bizarre appearance modeled after the Joker playing card. He was slated to be killed in his second appearance,[16]
but editor Whitney Ellsworth suggested that the character be spared. A
hastily drawn panel, demonstrating that the Joker was still alive, was
subsequently added to the comic.[17]
For the next several appearances, the Joker often escaped capture but
suffered an apparent death
(falling off a cliff, being caught in a
burning building, etc.), from which his body was not recovered.

From the Joker's first appearance in Batman #1, he has committed crimes both whimsical and inhumanly brutal, all with a logic and reasoning that, in Batman's words, "make sense to him alone."[18] In his first appearance, the character leaves his victims with post-mortem smiles on their faces, a modus operandi that has been carried on throughout the decades with the concept of the character.
In Batman #1, he challenges Gotham's underworld and police
department by announcing over the radio that he will kill three of
Gotham's most prominent citizens: Henry Claridge, Judge Drake and Jay
Wilde. Batman and Robin investigate the crimes and find the victims'
bodies stricken with a perpetual grin upon their faces. The Joker traps
Robin and is prepared to murder him with the same deadly Joker venom,
but Batman rescues Robin and the Joker goes to prison. (This story is
retold in the 2005 graphic novel Batman: The Man Who Laughs.)
He escapes in his following appearance, and throughout his publication
history effortlessly escapes from any imprisonment in order to plague
Batman and Gotham.
In the story "The Joker Walks the Last Mile", the Joker is sentenced to die in the electric chair, but escapes by faking his own death. Double Jeopardy prevents the prison from executing him a second time. Free from jail, the Joker pretends to be a good Samaritan, but soon returns to his criminal ways.
In his final appearance in the Earth Two continuity, the Joker
learns that Bruce Wayne, who had been publicly revealed as Batman, has
died. Unable to accept that he had finally beaten his long-term
adversary — simply by outliving him — the Joker escapes from prison and
wreaks havoc to draw Batman out of what the Joker thinks is merely
retirement. Dick Grayson acts as the second Batman long enough to
convince the Joker that Wayne is still alive. The Joker allows the Huntress to take him back into custody to plot out his final battle with Batman.
[...]
[edit] Modern

At the conclusion of Infinite Crisis, the Joker kills Alexander Luthor, hero of the original Crisis on Infinite Earths and villain of Infinite Crisis for being left out of the Society.[32]
Salvation Run depicts the Joker as leading one of two factions of supervillains who have been exiled from Earth to a distant prison planet.[33] In issue six of the series, Joker engages Lex Luthor in an all-out brawl for power. Just as he gains the upper hand, however, the planet is invaded by Parademons; The Joker helps fight off the invasion and later escapes along with the rest of the surviving villains via a teleportation machine.
In Batman #655, a deranged police officer impersonating
Batman shoots the Joker in the face, leaving him physically scarred and
disabled. After having undergone extensive plastic surgery and physical therapy, The Joker reappears in Batman #663 with a drastic new appearance, now permanently fixed with a Glasgow smile.
While in intensive care at Arkham, the Joker develops a new, more
lethal variant of Joker Venom, instructing Harley Quinn to use it to
kill his former henchmen to signal his spiritual "rebirth". He then
goes on a rampage through Arkham, attempting to murder Harley (her
death being the final "punchline" of his rebirth) before being stopped
by Batman. These events ultimately lead to the Joker's association with
the Black Glove and his attempt to murder Batman[34]
After returning to Earth, Joker is yet again a patient in Arkham
Asylum. Batman visits him to ask him if he knows anything about the Black Glove, but Joker only responds by dealing a Dead man's hand.[35] During routine therapy, Joker is met by a spy for the Club of Villains who offers him a chance to join them in their crusade against Batman.
He participates in their action, considering it a farce all along
(knowing Batman will survive their attempts, which he spitefully
reveals to them just when they think their plan has come to fruition)
and casually murdering some Black Glove members before escaping in an
ambulance, only to be driven off the road by Damian, Batman´s son.[36]
Joker returns, seemingly repaired, as a member of Libra's Society during Final Crisis, and again in Gotham City Sirens, trying to kill Harley Quinn for her "abandoning" him for Bruce Wayne, actually Hush.[37]
During the events of the Last Rites story arc, the Joker is mentioned and shown several times in Batman's past experiences as his history is explored[38]. He is also shown entering the funeral service for Batman in Neil Gaiman's Whatever Happened to The Caped Crusader? story.[39]

[edit] Powers and abilities

The Joker commits crimes with comedic weapons such as a deck of razor-sharp playing cards, an acid-spewing flower, cyanide pies, exploding cigars filled with nitroglycerin, harpoon guns that utilize razor-sharp BANG!-flags, and a lethally electric joy buzzer. His most prominent weapon is his Joker venom,
a deadly poison that infects his victims with a ghoulish rictus grin as
they die while laughing uncontrollably. The venom comes in many forms,
from gas to darts to liquid poison, and has been his primary calling
card from his first appearance. The Joker is immune to his venom; in Batman
#663, Morrison writes that "being an avid consumer of his products,
Joker's immunity to poisons has been built up over years of dedicated abuse".[40]
The Joker is portrayed as highly intelligent and skilled in the fields of chemistry and engineering, as well an expert with explosives. In a miniseries featuring Tim Drake,
the third Robin, the Joker is shown kidnapping a computer genius, and
admitting that he doesn't know much about computers, although later
writers have portrayed him as very computer literate.
Joker's skills in unarmed combat
vary considerably depending on the writer. Some writers have shown
Joker to be a skilled fighter, capable of holding his own against
Batman in hand-to-hand combat. Other writers prefer portraying Joker as
physically frail to the point that he can be defeated with a single
punch. He is, however, consistently described as agile. Joker's skills
in combat also differ in the film and television adaptations.
The Joker has cheated death numerous times, even in seemingly inescapable and lethal situations. He has been seen caught in explosions, been shot repeatedly, dropped from lethal heights, electrocuted, and so on, but he always returns once
again to wreak havoc.[41][42]
Over several decades there have been a variety of depictions and possibilities regarding the Joker's apparent insanity. Grant Morrison's graphic novel Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth suggests that the Joker's mental state is in fact a previously unprecedented form of "super-sanity," a form of ultra-sensory perception.
It also suggests that he has no true personality of his own, that on
any given day he can be a harmless clown or a vicious killer, depending
on which would benefit him the most. Later, during the Knightfall saga, after Scarecrow
and the Joker team up and kidnap the mayor of Gotham City, Scarecrow
turns on the Joker and uses his fear gas to see what Joker is afraid
of. To Scarecrow's surprise, the gas has no effect on Joker, who in
turn beats him with a chair. In Morrison's JLA, the Martian Manhunter, trapped in a surreal maze created by the Joker, used his shape-shifting
abilities to reconfigure his own brain to emulate the Joker's chaotic
thought patterns. Later in the same storyline, Martian Manhunter uses
his telepathic
powers to reorganize the Joker's mind and create momentary sanity,
albeit with great effort and only temporarily. In those few moments,
the Joker expresses regret for his many crimes and pleads for a chance
at redemption.
In Elseworlds: Distant Fires, the Joker is rendered sane by a nuclear war that deprives all super beings of their powers. In Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #145, the Joker became sane when Batman put him in one of Ra's al Ghul's Lazarus Pits
after being shot, a reversal of the insanity which may come after
experiencing such rejuvenation. However, the sanity is only temporary,
and soon the Joker is back to his "normal" self.[43]
The character is sometimes portrayed as having a fourth wall awareness. In Batman: The Animated Series,[44] the Joker is the only character to talk directly into the "camera"[44] and can be heard whistling his own theme music in the episode adaptation of the comic Mad Love. Also, in the episode "Joker's Wild", he says into the camera, "Don't try this at home, kids!"[45] In the Marvel vs DC crossover, he also demonstrates knowledge of the first Batman/Spider-Man crossover even though that story's events did not occur in the canonical
history of either the Marvel or DC universe. On page five of "Sign of
The Joker", the second half of the "Laughing Fish" storyline, the Joker
turns the page for the reader, bowing and tipping his hat in mock
politeness. On the official websites and associated promotional
material for The Dark Knight, graffiti characteristic of the Joker can be found.[46]
On the website IBelieveinHarveyDentToo.com, hidden among laughter is
the message "See you in December", referring to the release of the
film's trailer.[47]

[edit] Character

The Joker has been referred to as the Clown Prince of Crime (or
Chaos), the Harlequin of Hate (Havoc), and the Ace of Knaves.

Throughout the evolution of the DC Universe,
interpretations and incarnations of the Joker have taken two forms. The
original and currently dominant image is of a fiendishly intelligent psychopath with a warped, sadistic sense of humor.[48][49] The other interpretation of the character, popular in the late 1940s through 1960s comic books as well as the 1960s television series, is that of an eccentric but harmless prankster and thief. Batman: The Animated Series blended these two aspects, although most interpretations tend to embrace one characterization or the other.[44]
One of the Joker's most famous traits is his evil laugh,
which is usually divided into two forms. The first is being ominous,
intimidating and frightening, and the other is being gleeful and wild.
The Joker's victims have included men, women, children, and even his own henchmen and other villains. In the graphic novel The Joker: Devil's Advocate, the Joker is reported to have killed well over 2,000 people. Despite having murdered enough people to get the death penalty thousands of times over, he is always found not guilty by reason of insanity.[50]
In the Batman story line "War Crimes", this continued ruling of
insanity is in fact made possible by the Joker's own dream team of
lawyers. He is then placed in Arkham Asylum, from which he appears able
to escape at will, going so far as to claim that it's just a resting
ground in between his "performances".
Batman has been given numerous opportunities to put the Joker down
once and for all, but has relented at the last minute. As an example,
in one story line, Batman threatens to kill the Joker, but stops
himself upon realizing that such an act would make him "a killer like
yourself!" Conversely, the Joker has given up many chances to kill the
Batman because the Joker defines himself by his struggle with his
archnemesis.
The Joker is renowned as Batman's greatest enemy.[51] While other villains rely on tried-and-true methods to commit crimes (such as Mr. Freeze's freeze gun or Poison Ivy's
toxic plants), Joker has a variety of weapons at his disposal. For
example, the flower he wears in his lapel sprays (at any given time)
acid, poisonous laughing gas, or nothing at all. In Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker and much earlier in "Dreadful Birthday, Dear Joker!" (Batman
#321), the Joker has a gun which at first shoots a flag saying "BANG!",
but then, with another pull of the trigger, the flag fires and impales
its target (in the edited version of Return of the Joker, the gun shoots Joker gas).[42][52]
His most recurring gadget is a high-voltage hand-buzzer, which he uses
to electrocute his victims with a handshake. His capricious nature,
coupled with his violent streak and general unpredictability, makes him
feared by the public at large, other DC superheroes, and DC
supervillains as well; in the Villains United and Infinite Crisis
mini-series, the members of the villains' Secret Society refuse to
induct the Joker for this reason, which backfires as the Joker attacks
members of the Society, and ultimately kills the leader, Alexander Luthor. In the mini-series Underworld Unleashed, the Trickster remarks, "When super-villains want to scare each other, they tell Joker stories."

[edit] Alternate versions
Another Joker appeared in the DC Comics imprint Tangent Comics, a line set in on an alternate earth. The heroes have the same names (Flash, Batman, etc.), but their histories and powers are vastly different. This earth is now listed as Earth-9.
The Joker of this Earth is a female hero who uses her array of jokes
and comical devices to mock the tyrant Superman's authority. This Joker
is actually three women: a student named Mary Marvel, an entrepreneur
named Christina Zabundu, and a reporter, Lori Lemaris. Mary is
eventually captured by the evil Superman and tortured into giving up
the names of the other two before she is killed. Lemaris is sent to
prison, but Christina's fate is left unknown. Later, Lemaris reclaims
the mantle of the Joker in order to take down Superman.
Planetary/Batman presents the Joker as a field agent for Planetary working under Richard Grayson
named Jaspar. He has a habit of giggling when he's nervous, but appears
harmless. However, Elijah Snow mentions not liking how Jasper "touched
himself" when he saw photos of crime scenes.
The Joker makes a cameo appearance in the Elseworld graphic novel Gotham by Gaslight as a serial killer who tries to kill himself with strychnine, leaving him with a permanent grin.
The one version of the Joker from an alternate Earth is called the Jokester. He appears as a hero battling Owlman, a villainous version of Batman.
A slightly altered Joker makes an apparance in Frank Miller's non-canon series, All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder. As in Dark Knight Returns, another Miller series, this Joker has a Nazi henchwoman called "Bruno".
In the 1990 graphic novel Batman: Digital Justice created by Pepe Moreno, an artificial intelligence
calling itself the "Joker Virus" takes over a futuristic,
technology-dependent Gotham City in the late 21st century and claims to
be the reincarnation
of its creator, the original Joker. Batman — in this version, the
grandson of Commissioner James Gordon — stops the virus with help from
another A.I.: the Batcomputer, as programmed by the long-dead Bruce Wayne.
Another graphic novel, called simply Joker focuses on the character in a more gritty, realistic version of the Batman mythos.
[edit] In other media


[edit] Live-action


[edit] Batman (TV series)




Cesar Romero portrays the character in 22 episodes of the 1960s Batman television series.
The Joker of this series is characterized by a cackling laugh and
comedy-themed crimes, such as turning the city's water supply into
jelly and pulling off a standup comedy-themed bank heist. In one
episode they had a surfing contest between Batman and Joker. Romero
refused to shave his distinctive mustache for the role, and it was
partially visible beneath his white face makeup. Romero reprises his
role in the 1966 film Batman. A parody of Batman, Joker has his own "utility belt" and "Jokermobile". On the show Joker often teams up with Penguin, Catwomen, and Riddler.
In the movie he is teamed up with all three of them. The only
information on his past life is a remark by Batman that Joker had been
a hypnotist in his youth.

[edit] Batman (film)
The Joker is portrayed by Jack Nicholson in the 1989 film Batman. In the film, the character is a gangster named Jack Napier, the right-hand man of crime boss Carl Grissom (Jack Palance). Napier is disfigured during a confrontation with Batman (Michael Keaton)
in which he is shot in the face by a ricochet from his own pistol and
falls into a vat of chemicals. His trademark grin is the result of a
botched attempt at plastic surgery.
Driven insane by his reflection, he kills Grissom and takes over his
gang, launching a crime wave designed to "outdo" Batman, who he feels
is getting too much press. He describes himself as a "homicidal artist"
who makes avant garde
"art" by killing people with "Smilex" gas, which leaves its victims
with a grotesque grin. When Bruce Wayne confronts the Joker, he later
recognizes him as the mugger who murdered his parents. The Joker
kidnaps reporter Vicki Vale (Kim Basinger)
and attempts to massacre all of Gotham City, but Batman foils his plan.
As the Joker is about to escape in a helicopter, Batman ties a grappling hook onto the Joker's leg and attaches it to a stone gargoyle; the Joker falls to his death when the gargoyle breaks loose of its moorings.
In the flashback scene showing Napier's murder of Thomas and Martha Wayne, Napier is played by Hugo E. Blick.
Nicholson's performance was well-received; Newsweek's review of the film stated that the best scenes in the movie are due to the surreal black comedy portrayed in this character.[53] In 2003, American Film Institute named Nicholson's performance #45 out of 50 greatest film villains.[54][55] Tim Burton
says he wanted to kill the Joker at the end of the film, because he
thought having the villian come back would be too unrealistic.

[edit] OnStar commercials and Birds of Prey
During the OnStar "Batman" ad campaign, the Joker appears in one commercial, played by Curtis Armstrong. Roger Stoneburner makes a cameo appearance as the character in an episode of Birds of Prey. Mark Hamill,
who voiced the Joker in various animated shows throughout the 1990s,
provides the Joker's voice in the scene, and he is the only one of the
two actors to be credited.

[edit] The Dark Knight
In the 2008 film The Dark Knight, the Joker is portrayed by Heath Ledger, who told Sarah Lyall of New York Times that he viewed that film's version of the character as a "psychopathic, mass murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy."[56] In this film, he is a bank robber targeting mob banks, whom Gotham's Mafia families later hire to kill Batman (Christian Bale). It is gradually revealed that he desires to upset social order through terrorism and he comes to define himself by his battle with Batman. Costume designer Lindy Hemming
described the Joker's look as being based around his personality, in
which "he doesn't care about himself at all." She avoided his design
being vagrant, but nonetheless it is "scruffier, grungier and therefore when you see him move, he's slightly twitchier or edgy."[57] Unlike most incarnations, where his appearance is a result of chemical bleaching, this Joker sports a Glasgow smile,
and accentuates it through unevenly applied white, black, and red
make-up (he also has dyed green hair). During the course of the film,
he tells conflicting stories about how he acquired the scars, which
involve child abuse and self-mutilation.

He mostly eschews gag-based weapons common to the character, in favor
of knives, firearms, and an array of explosive devices. In the film the
Joker is responsible for the death of Batman's childhood sweetheart Rachel Dawes (Maggie Gyllenhaal) and the creation of Two-Face (Aaron Eckhart).[58]
Ledger's portrayal of The Joker was widely praised by both fans and critics. Jeff Labrecque writes that Ledger's "seething anarchist
Joker makes Jack Nicholson's once-iconic dandy now seem as clownish as
Cesar Romero's." On February 22, 2009, Ledger posthumously won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his performance. He was the fourth actor to be nominated for the portrayal of a comic book character, and the first to win.[59]
[...]

[edit] DC animated universe
[...]
In Batman: The Animated Series, which debuted in 1992, the Joker is played by voice-actor Mark Hamill. In the feature film spin-off Batman: Mask of the Phantasm,
it is revealed that he was once a hitman for mobster Salvatore
Valestra. A later episode reveals that he went on to start his own gang
with the first target being the Ace chemical plant, where Batman foils
the robbery and knocks The Joker into a vat of acid. His name, like in
the 1989 movie, is mentioned as being Jack Napier, but later episodes
offer the notion that this is merely an alias. The Joker also appears
in the series' follow-up, The New Batman Adventures, and features prominently as the main villain in the one-hour Batman/Superman crossover episode, World's Finest, in which he travels to Metropolis and makes a deal with Lex Luthor to kill Superman in exchange for one billion dollars..
Hamill reprises his role in several animated shows in the DC Animated Universe. His most prominent Justice League episode is "Wild Cards", where he plants a multitude of bombs across Las Vegas and televises the Justice League's attempts to find and disarm them in a mockery of reality television.
To add drama to the broadcast, he pits the League against the Royal
Flush Gang, which in this version consists of five superpowered teens.
The bombs turn out to be a ruse to attract viewership so Ace, a psychic,
can render everyone watching the broadcast insane.
The plan backfires
when, during a fight with Batman, Ace turns her powers on the Joker,
rendering him temporarily catatonic.
He also appears in the episodes, "Injustice for All" and "A Better
World",
the latter of which features an alternate world in which the
Joker has been lobotomized by Superman and is now the superintendent of Arkham Asylum. The Joker also appeared in the TV show Static Shock.
[...]
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:50 am

mjssoulmate wrote:
Scream wrote:The Joker? That's 8 letters.

I count 5 letters.

It's 8 letters by counting "The" and "Joker".
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Post by MacyBlue on Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:29 pm

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:
mjssoulmate wrote:So, MJHD is the curtain that the puppetmaster is behind!?

I'll keep my eyes and ears open on Sunday.

That just reminded me...the PuppetMaster guy on TMZ came on yesterday to post again...I haven't seen him in ages.


The TMZ Puppet Master has been there every day .... he has found a hiding place in TMZ and there actually has been an ugly confrontation from someone calling him a fake and a troll. Sometimes ten posts a day from him .
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Post by MacyBlue on Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:36 pm

Hmmmmm also , yesterday deep deep inside TMZ the Puppet Master signed off as

?????????Batman???????????
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Post by lonelynation on Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:49 pm

This probably isn't it...
but This Is It is 8 letters

**update, sorry I misread the clue


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Post by mjmusicandme on Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:55 pm

5.Read quote number 159 from suzieonthedancefloor regarding clowns, halloween etc

Here is quote # 159:

Yeah I was just going to say I wonder if we need to watc for someone leaving…If its for children, might be someone dressed as clowns or other things..if its a halloween themed thing, there could be all sorts of people dressed up…
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Post by lonelynation on Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:03 pm

Hey quick question to anyone that will answer..
How do I set it up so that I'll get an email when this thread is updated?
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Post by jade jackson on Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:08 pm

'Go to the bottom of the page..On the right just underneath the "Go to Page," click Watch this topic for replies."
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Post by lonelynation on Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:10 pm

Thanks so much!
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Post by mjmusicandme on Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:12 pm

Found this post from http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/06/30/michael-jackson-videos-from-studio-concert-projects-to-be-released/

Meanwhile, the Associated Press is reporting that Jackson shot the "Dome Project" for several days in early June, on four sets in the Culver Studios in L.A., including one set reminiscent of Jackson's iconic "Thriller" video.

Thriller = 8 letters????
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Post by Grace on Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:16 pm

http://www.squidoo.com/dress-like-joker-for-halloween

so we know what to look for in case a video should pop up
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Post by lonelynation on Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:23 pm

Quick question again..
I clicked 'watch this topic' and I'm still not recieving emails.. and when I'm looking at this thread, every time someone writes 'the' its now in bold..
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Post by fa on Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:41 pm

IF something hapens can anyone send me a pm too?Please?
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Post by MJFOREVER on Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:03 pm

Can somebody tell me what's the thing with glittr all the time and who is puppetmaster?? pm me please Neutral
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Post by See on Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:07 pm

geez...why is there a count down??? I don't get it....
What is going on???
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Post by MJFOREVER on Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:13 pm

See wrote:geez...why is there a count down??? I don't get it....
What is going on???

If you know it tell me please lol!
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