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Post by MauraMissesMichael on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:19 pm

Hey guys, this is the first part of 11. its kind of lamo, but enjoy anyways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJPreF_Kgmg


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Re: Part 11

Post by mjgirl86 on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:25 pm

That's great! But... I don't see anything..

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Re: Part 11

Post by mjssoulmate on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:27 pm

HUH?
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Re: Part 11

Post by MauraMissesMichael on Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:47 pm

LOL SORRY!!!
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Re: Part 11

Post by mjgirl86 on Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:17 pm

Okay, thanks! Awesome! Razz

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Re: Part 11

Post by anotherpartofme on Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:38 pm

Good job Maura! Thanks
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Re: Part 11

Post by Banessa on Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:38 pm

Excellent video! Thanks for posting. I agree with the violations on the HIPPA agreement as well as with why the coroner had to get involved. If Murray wouldn't sign why couldn't one of the many Doctor's over at UCLA Hosp. have done it. After all Michael "passed away" after they tried for about an hour to resuscitate him! He "died" in a Hospital therefore, if I am not mistaken one of the Doctor's in staff should have done it...right?

Maybe is me but I also noticed how evasive this man is with his answers. He already broke one major rule so why not just keep going lol... anyway I don't think he ever said "Michael Jackson" but always referred to the person in question as "Mr. Jackson". There are several Mr. Jackson's in L.A. I know at least 3-5 (and no...I am not referring to "the" Jackson's lol) Maybe this does fit with Souza's Hoax within a hoax theory? Just my thought! Thanks for sharing and excellent work
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Re: Part 11

Post by Christiana on Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:54 am

Maura...I loved the video! It also got me to thinking and hunting. The part that stuck with me is that guy talking (so vaguely) about Murray not signing the death certificate. So I was researching (by that I mean Googling, LOL) and found an article, of sorts. Here's the part that caught my immediate attention:

The doctor did not sign the death certificate, which is protocol for a death that occurs under the watch of a physician.

If the doctor does not provide the police with the details and
circumstances surrounding the death and does not sign the death
certificate, the case will be transferred to the coroner's office,
where it will be investigated as a homicide.



Now let's think about that statement for a minute. MJ was under the watch of Murray, so it was Murray's duty to sign the DC...but if he doesn't, the case will be transferred to the coroner's office, where it will be investigated as a homicide.

How could Murray NOT know this would turn into a homicide investigation if he didn't sign that DC. And the bigger question, WHY would he allow that to happen? Did he want there to be an investigation? Wouldn't that be kind of counterproductive?

Unless...unless the whole homicide investigation was intentional...say, to cover up the hoax?

Murray has always been the main point of contention with me in MJ's "death." Granted, I'm still not 100% absolutely positive it is a hoax, but I am equally unconvinced he's really dead either! And while I have read tons of stuff about Murray and the DC, I've never heard it put quite like this...about the lack of his signature being the reason for an investigation. Everything else I've read has suggested that his unwillingness to sign would mean that he thought that would prevent an investigation in MJ's "death."

But see, that just all seemed too suspect and too easy to me. If it's really true that Murray not signing the DC would cause a homicide investigation, then wouldn't he know that? If so, then I can only draw 3 possible conclusions here:

1. It is a hoax, and Murray plays an even bigger role than we think. And it was his job to refuse to sign that DC to cause an investigation, because otherwise the whole death would seem too suspicious and unbelievable.
2. MJ is really dead, and Murray is a bigger idiot than we even know (because I do think he's a real person), and he has bumbled every single thing related to being a licensed physician.
3. Or, MJ is dead, and there really was a big conspiracy to kill MJ; and perhaps Murray really was just a fall guy, setup by other people.

Either way, there is a whole lot of cover up going on, and a whole lot more involved than what we know.

Here's the link to that information, for anyone who wants it:
http://www.whynotad.com/advertising/acres-home-heart-and-vascular-institute
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Re: Part 11

Post by Christiana on Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:13 am

Just as a follow up too, I found a better source for that article from the AP via Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529222,00.html?mrp
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Re: Part 11

Post by annieisnotokey on Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:24 am

Christiana wrote:But see, that just all seemed too suspect and too easy to me. If it's really true that Murray not signing the DC would cause a homicide investigation, then wouldn't he know that? If so, then I can only draw 3 possible conclusions here:

1. It is a hoax, and Murray plays an even bigger role than we think. And it was his job to refuse to sign that DC to cause an investigation, because otherwise the whole death would seem too suspicious and unbelievable.
2. MJ is really dead, and Murray is a bigger idiot than we even know (because I do think he's a real person), and he has bumbled every single thing related to being a licensed physician.
3. Or, MJ is dead, and there really was a big conspiracy to kill MJ; and perhaps Murray really was just a fall guy, setup by other people.


I've been exploring a 4th possibility in my blog:
4. Dr. Murray got cold feet (or was interrupted) in the last minute.

This is what I say in my theory:

OK… You want to fake your death, what would be the easiest way to do it? What about getting a terminally ill person to die in your place (body double theory) or an already dead body (John Doe) and a good old Doctor to sign the Death Certificate being the cause of death something generic and simple like “cardiac arrest””? No authorities’ involvement, no criminal investigation, one relative identifies the body, one doctor signs the DC and that’s it. You are dead, gone, buried, free and alive!

This arrangement will go smoothly if all parts involved act according to plan BUT if only ONE part fails, the whole thing falls apart and guess what happens? ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE!

Let’s say Dr. Murray is the good Doctor who is supposed to sign the DC. Let’s also say that on the night from the 24th to the 25th terminally ill double dies (or is bound to die within hours), is murdered or a John Doe corpse is provided and for some reason good old Doctor doesn’t act according to plan. He freaks out about the consequences, gets cold feet in the last minute, is interrupted by Tippy Alvarez who calls 911, etc.

The whole plan falls apart (...)


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Re: Part 11

Post by annieisnotokey on Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:25 am

@Maura:
Excellent video, as always!
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Re: Part 11

Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:27 am

Great video! I always assumed Murray didn't sign the death certificate because he knew he would be committing fraud since he knows Michael isn't really dead.
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