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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:04 am

I saw this on LKL and its sad but does NOT mean for me that MJ is dead.

What do you guys think?



October 31st, 2009 8:35 am ET


Hello Everyone,
I found this post on another board....Im not sure if it has been posted here previously...I have been away for the past days and I havent read all blogs......please take a minute to read as its important.
"Yeasterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I've seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in... the movie and his name appears at the end.

He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say."
However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known."

He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years.

Here's the most important things he told me:...

- Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these reharsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure.

Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to ... Read morehappen, no matter what, because he "had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal" therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael's house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was "Michael is not feeling well today," "Michael reharsed at home" or "Michael is reharsing with his vocal coach."
At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always ade sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then the would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael.

-Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "... Read moreyou have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.
Interestingly, yesterday Karen Faye wrote on her facebook that Michael always complained to her that he did not like ear monitors, and asked her to tell Ortega. According to her, she did and Ortega told her "well, he has to wear them!"

-This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone kenw it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he ... replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" @#$%$ing around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush.

The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never reharsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept.
He also confirmed that they never had a full reharsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were laso very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours orgnally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons.
Also, they never reharsed with implementing the videos for Smooth, Thriller and Earth as we saw in the movie, those were edited in the movie, but they never reharsed using them, and it was still unclear how they would be used with the songs, especially Smooth Criminal.

-For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights ... looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.
However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.

-Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being ... chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows.

The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend reahrsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before... Read more working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans.

posting the rest below

This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had planned. He said he is sure ... Read moreMichael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not ready.
He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target.

According to him, if the concerts were not goint to be ready, it would have been easier for AEG to blame it on Michael, than blame themsleves and their lack of timing skills.

Once again, do not ask me for his name, I will never tell, not even via PM. He was brutally honest with me and I will honor his request.

A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going to be ready. Also, he said, don't forget that a lot of days would have been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and get adjusted to the arena.... This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this.
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Post by icy55 on Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:14 am

WOW. goood post. It's kinda sad and we feel michael's pain.

What has Larry King got to do with Micheal? Is he a good friend of him?
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Post by ishealive on Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:14 am

I don't know what I make of this, he seemed like he got on well with KO.
If this person gave their name I might believe it.

I still feel TII was for a movie from day 1.
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Post by speechlessornot on Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:55 am

Good post, indeed. But, in this case, if he was so apathetic an he didn'l like anything what they had to do there, if he wasn't that alive flame we used to name Michael, if that person confirm he look like being ill...in this case he might be really dead now. Dead and buried in a secret place when only the family have access. Since the first comments appeared here, i have been feeling that i lost something/somebody very important, something new different of what i felt on June 25th. It's a strange feeling but i cannot get rid of it. And now...this.
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Post by Eva R on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:27 am

gosh that is horrible... I feel so bad for Michael.
I really think these concerts were to much and stuff and nothing was ready and Michael just couldn't say: No I am not doing it anymore..
And I think that's why he had to fake his death..
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Post by WanaBstartnSthn on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:39 am

Wow. That made me sad. The angry b*tch in me wants to get on Twitter and follow Kenny just so I can cuss his @ss out for treating Michael like this! Why would they do this to him? If this is true, Karen Faye was right unfortunately about how this movie was edited to look like everything was just dandy during the rehearsals. I'm mad but I didn't lose faith that Mikes alive
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Post by Truth_or_Dare on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:49 am

Thank you for the post!
This is very interesting and a lot of it makes sense so I believe it even if there's no name attached to this story.
When I saw the movie it did seem to me ( and on more than one occasion) that there was tension between MJ and KO. And I found that very surprising considering how KO spoke about MJ. And it seemed as thought KO was the one either picking on Michael, or talking down on him , like with the ear monitor incident. Michael was excusing himself and apologising which I found weird. I mean, this ws his show. He had to be great and confortable. If he didn;t like something he just had to say it and not be all puppy in from of KO. At least that's how i see it.
And it does make sense that they would use only the best rehearsals they had and of course the best ones ( or the better prepared onse) are the last ones. And it does not look like they have everything in order. MJ is didn;t have all the moves put together from what I can see. He was improvinsing in some of the songs.

This story doesn't give me the feeling that this person is saying that MJ was a druggy but it does seem like he's saying he is dead. Sad Murdered maybe...
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Post by Grace on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:52 am

We do not have to forget that contracts are mutual agreements which means an exchange of supply of services and money. This is life. Of course Michael was under contract. Of course, he had to deliver. Of course, it was something new to AEG and they agreed to A LOT of money to be invested - and as in all projects, the budget was empty before go-live and had to be filled up (and got somebody worried and angry about this. Of course, there were people afraid for their job. Of course, people were nervous.

I don't see anything strange in here.

Just to add for completion of the picture: of course we are talking about professionals on all levels and part of the deal. I mean they were no new born babies but doing their jobs since years and even decades with all kind of celebrities and important concerts.

I cannot imagine that Michael would jump - just like showing up at KFC - into some contract that was controlling him and would be not professional enough to get the job done.
I however would assume that he had some people around that were not doing any good and that he might have relied too much on some that did not think of his best first. So that he ended up with agreements that he did not like or fully supported. I always had the feeling that the "Invincable" album was "cooked with too many cooks" compared to the others that conquered the world.

But would he have become by all these circumstances as depressed as the rumours describe him? Not wanting to leave the house for showing up?
Is this describing Michael or is this describing MJ?
Do we have one bursting with joy and energy and another one not holding the keys, not dancing the steps?

I am thinking that MJ lost interest in the shows and that he was the one not happy and maybe using medication for some issues.
I am not thinking that Michael lost interest at all.
He had planned all that for his kids!

I can imagine that there was a drama that night like a strong final quarrel that led to decision on the disappearance of the entertainer MJJ.

Remember, no one was allowed upstairs in the house. I imagine both were living there during the last months and MJ was moving in with Michael when the staff was fired in spring. And the kids were not concerned as their dad did not die nor disappear. It was MJ sneaking or getting kicked out of the concept and thus taking away the required backup for 50 shows from Michael.

All of the above is my vivid imagination only. ;-)


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Post by Eva R on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:53 am

WanaBstartnSthn wrote:Wow. That made me sad. The angry b*tch in me wants to get on Twitter and follow Kenny just so I can cuss his @ss out for treating Michael like this! Why would they do this to him? If this is true, Karen Faye was right unfortunately about how this movie was edited to look like everything was just dandy during the rehearsals. I'm mad but I didn't lose faith that Mikes alive

hahaha!!! "the angry b*tch in me" YOU GO GIRL!!
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Post by marsheliamorgan on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:54 am

well,here we have yet ANOTHER example of how michael was mistreated and blamed for things that were NOT his doing or undoing.the two asses that were responsible will NEVER have to take blame as they had michael to make the scape goat.it was once AGAIN about the money see the points to ponder i posted and the 8 day openig question at he end does mention i didnt think or HOW was this going to be ready in that short amount of time?Also,thats WHY they used the dancers and etc. interviews and info, FOR FILLER.i feel so bad for michael,he didnt have ANYONE to turn to in his time of need,there was NOBODY there for him for him to confide in and trust this is just crap.so WHERE do we go from here?
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Post by CantStopLovingU on Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:07 am

For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirmed to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights ... looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.

However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.

Based on what I saw in the movie - I'm sorry maybe it is my vivid imagination as well but even in the weeks up to the release of the movie, the clips that showed MJ with the shades on never "felt" like him to me.

It might be that what everyone sensed as "Something felt wrong" on the days that the SHADED MJ showed up was because it wasn't Michael and even though they could not put their finger on it since they never anticipated a double showing up - they still felt in their gut that something wasn't right.

All of this information makes me angry for Michael and very angry at KENNY ORTEGA and RANDY PHILLIPS - I hate it that they didnt give a shit about Michael all they cared about was their own asses - BUT This only reinforces to me the HOAX theory all the more.

How convenient is it that Michael just happened to PASS AWAY right before the shows scheduled start - especially with the fact that they were obviously not ready.

Michael has planned this for some time now - and he used the rehearsals for This Is It to set his plan in motion. I dont think Michael ever intended to do any concerts - at least not now. He will possibly after the HOAX is over - but there is no way that this just happened the way it did - I dont believe it.
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Post by infinitylady on Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:25 am

Remember, no one was allowed upstairs in the house. I imagine both were living there during the last months and MJ was moving in with Michael when the staff was fired in spring. And the kids were not concerned as their dad did not die nor disappear. It was MJ sneaking or getting kicked out of the concept and thus taking away the required backup for 50 shows from Michael.


Ok, You said both were living. .... MJ was moving in with Michael??? Who? who is MJ?

Did I miss something? Just tryin to understand..
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Post by juliet on Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:48 am

Thanks JACKSONOLOGIST for the info. Very interesting but I don't believe everything that comes out nowadays - the more juicy, the better. But there are real ones, too but we have to be really be good to spot the genuine ones.

I don't mean to offend anybody with my comment, Okay?
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Post by H'aime on Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:11 am

Well, one things for sure: Michael did not want to do 50 shows.
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Post by Harleyblonde on Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:19 pm

Reading this post makes me think something is not right, why would all this happen if as many of us think the concerts were not to happen and it was all done for the film. Reading all what this person has said sounds like the concerts were being rehearsed to be actually be performed in London and they would not all be ready for opening night and it was not about the film all along. That MJ and Kenny aimed on the concerts to go ahead.
How do we know this is a genuine person who has written this and not just some misleading information. No names? Hmmm- everyone so far has had plenty to say and have given names. Also how many people have worked with Michael for 20 years? Not many I should imagine. I do not take all I read as gospel.
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Post by yaya on Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:25 pm

WanaBstartnSthn wrote:Wow. That made me sad. The angry b*tch in me wants to get on Twitter and follow Kenny just so I can cuss his @ss out for treating Michael like this! Why would they do this to him? If this is true, Karen Faye was right unfortunately about how this movie was edited to look like everything was just dandy during the rehearsals. I'm mad but I didn't lose faith that Mikes alive

that is just what i was thinking too, about karen faye's comment regarding the editing. when i watched the movie, i noticed sometimes that kenny would overcompensate...for what, i'm not sure. but he would talk in a tone that was overtly "nice"...somewhat of a kiss-@ss attitude. and if what that person was saying is true, then it makes sense that kenny edited the movie in a way to make us think he's a very nice, accommodating man. it doesn't surprise me that michael would be unhappy sometimes, and i saw that in the movie. there was a part when he wanted something a different way and the singers said something like, "it's coming" and michael replied, "well, get it there." i actually laughed at that part, but still...you could see he was mildly frustrated.

as far as i'm concerned, this gives a very valid reason for michael to fake his death. if he was that unhappy with how things were coming along, he didn't wanna do 50 shows and was not cool with how kenny was treating him, then why not? i think michael knew these concerts weren't gonna happen. and maybe the rehearsals weren't up to par yet, but there had still been a lot of time and effort put into them...so the best way to escape and put an end to the shows would be to "die." but that is just my opinion. of course i don't know if everything that person said is true, but it sounds like it could be. and it definitely gives me a new perspective of kenny ortega.
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Post by yaya on Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:29 pm

Harleyblonde wrote:Reading this post makes me think something is not right, why would all this happen if as many of us think the concerts were not to happen and it was all done for the film. Reading all what this person has said sounds like the concerts were being rehearsed to be actually be performed in London and they would not all be ready for opening night and it was not about the film all along. That MJ and Kenny aimed on the concerts to go ahead.
How do we know this is a genuine person who has written this and not just some misleading information. No names? Hmmm- everyone so far has had plenty to say and have given names. Also how many people have worked with Michael for 20 years? Not many I should imagine. I do not take all I read as gospel.

i do agree with you and we should definitely be skeptical about what we read/see/hear. but if it was me and i personally witnessed all this, i probably wouldn't give a name either. crew members could read it and then threaten me for speaking about it, cuz they may know who i am.
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Post by city.gal1 on Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:49 pm

Thanks for sharing Jacksonlologist, very interesting and certainly fits in with some of what I've been thinking.

Of course, RP was nervous..remember in one of the interviews he said that everyone thought he was crazy to set up these concerts and that people thought they were never going to happen. It stands to reason that he would be riding MJ hard because of all that was invested for the 02 concerts.

Of course, they were only going to show us the "positive" aspects of the rehearsals.

At the risk of offending some on the board...let's face it, MJ was not exactly following through on his committments over the last few years. He didn't sing at the WMA/London except for a couple of lines, not the full song as people were led to believe. I think it was in Japan, where people paid $$ for a concert and meet and greet with MJ. Then when the time came, all MJ did was take a photo with each of them -- no concert.

Since the last trial, MJ really did not have an interest in the whole showbiz thing, in my opinion. I think he was too devastated and that's why he didn't honor at lot of his committments the last few years. I think it's pretty safe to say that the 02 concerts were never going to happen for whatever reason. I believe that there was going to be a film the whole time -- that that was what Mj's plan was. I think, however, it would have been a full dress rehearsal that we were supposed to see. Something happened to change that plan and therefore the "death".

MJ was under a lot pressure - that which he placed on himself, those that he was doing business with and the fans. I'm sure he wasn't himself and seemed insecure that's a lot of burden to carry. I just watched a documentary on TII and they said that he was supposed to perform 24 songs in the concerts. Add to that possible drug use, the LKL makes a lot of sense to me.
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Post by WanaBstartnSthn on Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:54 pm

yaya wrote:
WanaBstartnSthn wrote:Wow. That made me sad. The angry b*tch in me wants to get on Twitter and follow Kenny just so I can cuss his @ss out for treating Michael like this! Why would they do this to him? If this is true, Karen Faye was right unfortunately about how this movie was edited to look like everything was just dandy during the rehearsals. I'm mad but I didn't lose faith that Mikes alive

that is just what i was thinking too, about karen faye's comment regarding the editing. when i watched the movie, i noticed sometimes that kenny would overcompensate...for what, i'm not sure. but he would talk in a tone that was overtly "nice"...somewhat of a kiss-@ss attitude. and if what that person was saying is true, then it makes sense that kenny edited the movie in a way to make us think he's a very nice, accommodating man. it doesn't surprise me that michael would be unhappy sometimes, and i saw that in the movie. there was a part when he wanted something a different way and the singers said something like, "it's coming" and michael replied, "well, get it there." i actually laughed at that part, but still...you could see he was mildly frustrated.

as far as i'm concerned, this gives a very valid reason for michael to fake his death. if he was that unhappy with how things were coming along, he didn't wanna do 50 shows and was not cool with how kenny was treating him, then why not? i think michael knew these concerts weren't gonna happen. and maybe the rehearsals weren't up to par yet, but there had still been a lot of time and effort put into them...so the best way to escape and put an end to the shows would be to "die." but that is just my opinion. of course i don't know if everything that person said is true, but it sounds like it could be. and it definitely gives me a new perspective of kenny ortega.

I know what you mean yaya but on that specific scene you are referring to, Michael actually said "We'll get there". That's why all through the movie he kept reiterating "That's why we rehearse" and "It's a rehearsal". Even my friend that I went with last nite, he said "That's Michaels favorite line in the movie!" Lol
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Post by Human_nature on Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:08 pm

Thanks THE JACKSONOLOGIST.

I unfortunatly think it's true. I don't know, but it sound sincere.

I'm confused now...
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Post by Eva R on Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:49 pm

I don't it supposed to be a movie from the beginning. I think it had to be 10 concerts. then they made it 50 concerts and Michael didn't wanted that but had no choice.. And maybe people were saying: DO it, or else...
Maybe they even said things about his children, who knows.. And we all know Michael would do anything for his children.. even to 'die'...
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Post by lou on Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:51 pm

Eva R wrote:gosh that is horrible... I feel so bad for Michael.
I really think these concerts were to much and stuff and nothing was ready and Michael just couldn't say: No I am not doing it anymore..
And I think that's why he had to fake his death..

Eva R I agree with you. After reading all the post, I think it gives us 3 options to think about:

1) If he died accidentally by OD it was a very sad coincidence that it happened just before the concerts started. If it really happened, maybe it was because of the stress he's been through...

2) ... but they claim he was murdered... maybe... we have no clue about the investigations, so we don't know. If he was murdered as they are saying... so his enemies knew they would have the opportunity to inject him with propofol??

3) either the options above or he felt there was only one way to escape from all that pressure, and that's why he needed to fake his death... (I sincerely hope that this is the right option). Maybe it would explain why MJ had no control over the movie (as some people believe - I don't know 'cause I didn't watch the movie yet).
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