MJs Passport!!!! A Major clue

jenn77 wrote:1986 - Making of the ghost film by michael jackson. The film where he is controlling everything behind the scenes..hmmm..interersting I will start there I believe.

Thats good jenn77...Thats where we all be starting from....Well done

jenn77 wrote:However from what I understand, it is when Michael started really changing, appearance, diagnosed with lupus and vitiligo, autobiography moonwalk, bad era, elephant man bones, oxygen chamber. It is said to be when they started calling him wacko jacko.... still researching.

lonelynation wrote:I'm with you mjgirl86.
I don't buy it at all.

If the first passport is dated Aug. 17, 1987 to Aug. 26, 1997 and the second passport is dated April 30, 1993 to April 29, 2003., then why did MJ renewed his passport if it isn't expired yet?

The only logical explanation in my mind is because his face had changed so much that it wouldn't pass as valid anymore? I mean I know everyone knows who Michael Jackson is, but not everyone just let him get away with everything.

This goes way back!!! OH MY thats all i can say!

lonelynation wrote:

This goes way back!!! OH MY thats all i can say!

Way back? What do you mean?
Sorry maybe I'm missing something

But that whole post MJonMyMind is very interesting..
Have we yet to find any photos of this Dimitrie Draghicescu?

Thankyou Im thinking Thriller to be exact and my reason are this

Why Michael Jackson's Staged Death?
Michael had multiple motives for his staged demise, but ironically, it all began over two decades ago with Michael's morbid fear of death itself. His former wife Lisa Presley has recently revealed that even though Michael daily underwent a rigorous regimen to achieve his dream of living to at least 150, he frequently voiced his fears that he would die early, like Lisa's legendary father Elvis Presley. Michael's most bizarre longevity rite was, of course, his sleeping in hyperbaric chambers. These photos were carefully 'leaked' [with instructions to label them as 'bizarre') to heighten the public's fascination with his unusual lifestyle, but this was more than just promotional hype. Jackson laughed it off but it was a true reflection of Michael's deep seated fear of death.
Why Michael's Morbid Fear of Death?
Michael feared death because, quite simply, he had never really lived. As a child he was reportedly abused by a domineering father who drove him to success, denying him a childhood, hence the attempt to recapture his lost youth with Neverland ranch. Jackson's father not only denied Michael his childhood but also, in driving him to success, molded Michael into a compulsive success addict who could never really slow down to enjoy the massive wealth he accumulated. Michael existed, but he never lived. He viewed life from the outside, from the above--as we view the insignificant lives of millions when our plane rises out of Los Angeles airport, cars below buzzing about like bees in futile search for significance or, increasingly, for survival. And it was this godlike perception of the world, and his intoxication with unparalleled success, that gave birth to Michael's belief in his own deity and inevitable immortality--which he sought not just in science but in the occult.

Michael and the Occult
The public had no idea that Thriller, which was released on Nov. 30, 1982, was not just fiction but autobiographical. Jackson was, in a sense, taunting death. But as he worked on Thriller he became even more enthralled with the occult, and given his fear of death, it is not surprising that he sought the secrets of unending life by searching out what death really ment snd the after life.

lonelynation wrote:So if I understood you correctly..
there is still a Dimitrie that could've been the one...

If I understood, that means we definitely need to find out more about this guy.
This would make/break the theory.
We have to figure this guy out.

It would smash it to bits 100% I belive!!!

AND thats my mission now!!! Care to help me?

I thought that was Carlo Riley?

lonelynation wrote:This is Dimitri
(then again.. I couldn't read the language the text was written in) We need someone who can speak Romainan for sure!! I will check out today this person if possible. Hopefully we can find out more!

lonelynation wrote:I don't know if he's an impersonator or that he was getting the plastic surgery for this reason - Maybe he was asked to do this for MJ and paid a good amount of money that he could pass on to his family? (assuming that what I've heard about him already being terminally ill is correct...)
Really, I don't understand the language so I can't read it.

MJonMyMind wrote:Jackson's "Death"
The night before Jackson's "death," he danced his heart out, almost literally (which underscored the impossibility of surviving the grueling schedule he'd announced to his public). He returned to his rented home, and was spirited away to a waiting jet at Burbank airport, which transported him to a location in the Southeastern U.S. But I must explain that the man who died of an alleged heart attack under the very hands of his personal physician (get real!) was not Jackson but a 47-year-old Romanian named Dimitrie Draghicescu, whom Illuminus Theo disgracefully dragged into this morbid affair.


Dimitrie Draghicescu--the Dead Jackson
After fully 3 years of plastic surgery and training, Dimitrie could easily pass for a live Jackson, not to mention a dead one. But unlike the mighty Michael, Dimitrie did die. Dimitrie, not Jackson, was the one whisked to the hospital. Did you not wonder why the man who phoned 911 did not say "Michael Jackson" was the victim? It was not to avoid publicity but to insure that, should the 911 calls be analyzed by voice experts and electronic analyzers, no one could detect the stress from the caller's blatant falsehood.

Dimitrie agreed to die in Michael's place only because he had a terminal illness, and because Jackson had promised a generous reward to his family. And had Dimitrie refused, our Order would have revealed the Draghicescu family secret that had brought them to the attention of Illuminus Theo in the late 1700s
Why the 2nd Autopsy?
If Jackson's own family could not distinguish a plastic Dimitrie from a plastic Jackson, the doctors who tried to revive "Jackson" certainly had no hopes of penetrating this stupendous ruse. The only difficulty was switching fingerprints, but this was accomplished more easily than you could imagine by a little greasing of palms both in the hospital and the police force. (Though now the police are under suspicion for delaying a search for 4 days, allowing an unsupervised Janet to remove items from a suspected crime scene, etc.).

But while the ruse fooled the world, his family was suspicious. They knew Michael too well to believe that a man so fanatic about health would kill himself with such a dangerous drug. The Jackson family demanded a second autopsy not to determine the cause of death but to determine the true identity of the body. (Which, of course, will never be revealed, for if Jackson is shown to be alive, they will not inherit his estate).


This goes way back!!! OH MY thats all i can say!

lonelynation wrote:This is Dimitri
(then again.. I couldn't read the language the text was written in)

Harleyblonde wrote:

MJonMyMind wrote:Jackson's "Death"
The night before Jackson's "death," he danced his heart out, almost literally (which underscored the impossibility of surviving the grueling schedule he'd announced to his public). He returned to his rented home, and was spirited away to a waiting jet at Burbank airport, which transported him to a location in the Southeastern U.S. But I must explain that the man who died of an alleged heart attack under the very hands of his personal physician (get real!) was not Jackson but a 47-year-old Romanian named Dimitrie Draghicescu, whom Illuminus Theo disgracefully dragged into this morbid affair.


Dimitrie Draghicescu--the Dead Jackson
After fully 3 years of plastic surgery and training, Dimitrie could easily pass for a live Jackson, not to mention a dead one. But unlike the mighty Michael, Dimitrie did die. Dimitrie, not Jackson, was the one whisked to the hospital. Did you not wonder why the man who phoned 911 did not say "Michael Jackson" was the victim? It was not to avoid publicity but to insure that, should the 911 calls be analyzed by voice experts and electronic analyzers, no one could detect the stress from the caller's blatant falsehood.

Dimitrie agreed to die in Michael's place only because he had a terminal illness, and because Jackson had promised a generous reward to his family. And had Dimitrie refused, our Order would have revealed the Draghicescu family secret that had brought them to the attention of Illuminus Theo in the late 1700s
Why the 2nd Autopsy?
If Jackson's own family could not distinguish a plastic Dimitrie from a plastic Jackson, the doctors who tried to revive "Jackson" certainly had no hopes of penetrating this stupendous ruse. The only difficulty was switching fingerprints, but this was accomplished more easily than you could imagine by a little greasing of palms both in the hospital and the police force. (Though now the police are under suspicion for delaying a search for 4 days, allowing an unsupervised Janet to remove items from a suspected crime scene, etc.).

But while the ruse fooled the world, his family was suspicious. They knew Michael too well to believe that a man so fanatic about health would kill himself with such a dangerous drug. The Jackson family demanded a second autopsy not to determine the cause of death but to determine the true identity of the body. (Which, of course, will never be revealed, for if Jackson is shown to be alive, they will not inherit his estate).


This goes way back!!! OH MY thats all i can say!

This is plausable and could well be what has happend but what springs to mind if Dimitrie had undergone possibly 3 years of plastic surgery and training and was an almost exact perfect likeness of Michael then why did they release a fake photoshopped ambulance photo? If Dimitrie was such a likeness as to fool many then why didn't they just allow a few ambulance photo's to be taken instead of faking one? or even allow the paparrazzi pal of Michaels to take some of Dimitrie on the stretcher? And possibly why not an open coffin for a short time? It would have given more credibility to the hoax and many people look different when seriously ill or when dead anyway so I do not see any problem in them doing that.

Remember MJs a Master at Magic !!! He makes magic happen

MJonMyMind wrote:

techdiva wrote:I agree with MJonmymind. I read somewhere that MJ plans for a double started happening in 1993 after the first child molestation allegations. The article stated that the double did die and I cannot remember his name. The guy was from Romania.

I wouldnt be so quick people to dismiss the double.....Theres way too much info to
support MJ using doubles...Passports being different, so many clues etc etc

MJ needed a double more than decoys..decoys i belive were used mainly for fans,

On the road when her was performing etc etc

Now a double thats a completley different thing all together

Why do I think MJ had a double? Its more to do with his personal life
which really, we have no idea about except his court cases

his family, his music side of life!!... Please dont be to eager to dismiss this idea

Remember MJ is no fool....Id use a double if need be and i was in a situation
where I needed it and I had that chance.

MJ had that chance!! he took it and all i can say is this.

MJs court stuff really hurt him badly plus people trying to control him
and his $$$. maybe mj made some bad finacial decisions,,which i think

bad people adviced him on, and some other private stuff has gone down

which could be either dangerous or for other reasons which I have no idea

Ive looked up this Romainian guy and theres heaps of info about a connection

with MJ... Again not good reading and maybe a dangerous area to be getting into
The body carted out of the Bel-Air mansion was not that of Jackson but
of a 47-year-old terminally ill Romanian, Dimitrie Draghicescu, whose
family was paid a bundle to get him to participate in this deception
that has been planned for several years. So how did he get away with
it? (though investigations are already unraveling part of the ruse).
And why did he do it? How did he force a cardiologist to put his
already faltering career on the line to pull this off? And what is
Jackson up to next? He doesn't plan to reappear after the world
mourns him--at least not as the Jackson we all know. A Chinese
Italian renegade priest at Illuminus Theo, which collaborated with
Jackson, has revealed part of what is behind this mindboggling
deception:
http://illuminustheo.blogspot.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-is-not-dead...

Harleyblonde wrote:

MJonMyMind wrote:Jackson's "Death"
The night before Jackson's "death," he danced his heart out, almost literally (which underscored the impossibility of surviving the grueling schedule he'd announced to his public). He returned to his rented home, and was spirited away to a waiting jet at Burbank airport, which transported him to a location in the Southeastern U.S. But I must explain that the man who died of an alleged heart attack under the very hands of his personal physician (get real!) was not Jackson but a 47-year-old Romanian named Dimitrie Draghicescu, whom Illuminus Theo disgracefully dragged into this morbid affair.


Dimitrie Draghicescu--the Dead Jackson
After fully 3 years of plastic surgery and training, Dimitrie could easily pass for a live Jackson, not to mention a dead one. But unlike the mighty Michael, Dimitrie did die. Dimitrie, not Jackson, was the one whisked to the hospital. Did you not wonder why the man who phoned 911 did not say "Michael Jackson" was the victim? It was not to avoid publicity but to insure that, should the 911 calls be analyzed by voice experts and electronic analyzers, no one could detect the stress from the caller's blatant falsehood.

Dimitrie agreed to die in Michael's place only because he had a terminal illness, and because Jackson had promised a generous reward to his family. And had Dimitrie refused, our Order would have revealed the Draghicescu family secret that had brought them to the attention of Illuminus Theo in the late 1700s
Why the 2nd Autopsy?
If Jackson's own family could not distinguish a plastic Dimitrie from a plastic Jackson, the doctors who tried to revive "Jackson" certainly had no hopes of penetrating this stupendous ruse. The only difficulty was switching fingerprints, but this was accomplished more easily than you could imagine by a little greasing of palms both in the hospital and the police force. (Though now the police are under suspicion for delaying a search for 4 days, allowing an unsupervised Janet to remove items from a suspected crime scene, etc.).

But while the ruse fooled the world, his family was suspicious. They knew Michael too well to believe that a man so fanatic about health would kill himself with such a dangerous drug. The Jackson family demanded a second autopsy not to determine the cause of death but to determine the true identity of the body. (Which, of course, will never be revealed, for if Jackson is shown to be alive, they will not inherit his estate).


This goes way back!!! OH MY thats all i can say!

This is plausable and could well be what has happend but what springs to mind if Dimitrie had undergone possibly 3 years of plastic surgery and training and was an almost exact perfect likeness of Michael then why did they release a fake photoshopped ambulance photo? If Dimitrie was such a likeness as to fool many then why didn't they just allow a few ambulance photo's to be taken instead of faking one? or even allow the paparrazzi pal of Michaels to take some of Dimitrie on the stretcher? And possibly why not an open coffin for a short time? It would have given more credibility to the hoax and many people look different when seriously ill or when dead anyway so I do not see any problem in them doing that.

lonelynation wrote:This is Dimitri
(then again.. I couldn't read the language the text was written in)

dyanne wrote:

lonelynation wrote:This is Dimitri
(then again.. I couldn't read the language the text was written in)

Well,if the page is in Romanian maybe I can help .