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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:13 am

Okay. Went to see TII for the second time and I remembered to bring my notebook!! Yay! You should have seen the way people kept glancing over at me though. They must have thought I was crazy. I didn't really see too many new things but I decided to type all my thoughts here.

First, before I get into the clues...did you guys know this? I found it on Souza's blog.

The news about Elvis' Death possibly being a hoax was on June 25, 1979, exactly 30 years prior to the 'Death' of MJ. Do your research on the death/hoax of Elvis and compare. Also the documentary of Elvis after his death was called “This is Elvis.”
Hmmmm....Smile


Okay...now please read everything and let me know what you think. Smile

Clues:

The biggest clue for me is that in Smooth Criminal, MJ plays Ballin Mundson from Gilda.
And you probably already know where I'm going with this but it is HUGE!

In the film Gilda, the character Ballin Mundson fakes his death. Hehe...sound familiar??
Here's more info on that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxi5FhPwIiw
And George Macready, who plays Ballin in the film, his birthday is August 29th. Hmm...that's MJ's birthday too! Smile


Now for MJ's message into the camera. Smile You guys might think I'm crazy but I really feel like Michael was talking to us when he stared into the camera like that. Here is what he said:


"Everybody's doing a great job.
Just continue and believe, have faith.
Give me your all, your endurance, patience, your understanding.
But it's an adventure. It's a great adventure. Smile
There's nothing to be nervous about. They just want wonderful experiences.
They want escapism.

I wanna take them places that they've never been before.
I wanna show them talent like they've never seen before.

We're putting love back into the world.
Let's take care of the planet. We have four years to get it right, or else it's irreversible.
It's a very important message.
Thank you for all your cooperation."

Michael wants us to be patient. There is nothing to be nervous about. He just needs some time to breathe, away from the media. He needs to spread these very important messages he has.
Here's a link to my other post about MJ's reasons for pulling this hoax.
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/this-is-it-the-rehearsals-the-movie-trailers-f14/answers-hoax-illegal-mj-s-reasons-4-hoax-lkl-connection-t3086.htm


About the 4 years thing. I am not sure what Michael meant by that. But here are some things I associate with 4 years.

* http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/obama-climate-change He could have been talking about what some people at NASA are saying about our climate change. Michael believes the earth is sick. The article above talks about president Obama, his 4 year administration, and how we still have some time to turn things around. Hopefully the world will improve with Obama as U.S. president and with us doing something. We must be the change we wish to see in the world. That's what Gandhi said. Smile

*2012...the end of the Mayan calendar. MJ could have been referring to this when he said we only have 4 years to get it right.
A lot of people think 4 years from now is 2013. That is true. But what if MJ meant all of 2009, all of 2010, 2011, and all of 2012?
That is 4 years. And it is weird that the 2012 trailer played right before TII all around the globe. But I'm not sure MJ was talking about this.


****After MJ and the monsters do the Thriller dance, there is a clip where the monsters are falling from the sky. Now normally we'd expect them to float up into the sky. But instead they are floating down. It's like they're returning to earth or being resurrected.

Earth Girl's connection to MJ:
I've been wondering about this and if there is any connection. A few people have touched base on it.

In the video, the little girl is killed by the tractor while trying to save the last green, growing plant. (Earth)
And the tractor was also supposed to close on Michael right? It showed the computer animation in the movie.
But then at the end of the movie, we see the little girl alive and well. She's smiling and has a band-aid on her arm.
Yes, I figured out it was a band-aid. I know a lot of people were wondering about that. It is different colors(purple and pink I think) and it has whales/fish on it. Smile And I notice she didn't have the band-aid before. Only after she comes back. So what could this mean? She is alright...just a little booboo. Ever heard that saying, "what doesn't kill me only makes me stronger?"
Michael has some cuts and scratches but he is going to be alright. Smile He's using this time to heal.

Also, the little girl is holding the world in her hands in the end. Smile Michael loves the world. He wants to help it.
He also has the world at his fingertips right now. Almost everyone on this earth knows who Michael Jackson is. And almost everyone has been affected by his 'death.' Whether or not they're a fan. Michael is sending his important messages to the world. Do you think people would listen if he had not 'died?' Maybe some, but not the whole world. The little girl saved the earth. Maybe this is Michael's way of saving it. Smile


After the credits:

MJ said,

"Let me breathe in my own time when I come back in...I'll unbutton my shirt. My jacket...waist. I'm gonna look around a little bit, play with em. Snap my finger maybe and BAM."

Now you guys...I'm really excited about this!!! My interpretation of what MJ is saying goes like this:

Let me breathe in my own time when I come back in = Let's let Michael step back and breathe. Smile

I'll unbutton my shirt = He's going to relax. Take the shirt and jacket off MJ.

I'm gonna look around a little bit = Now previously, I thought MJ had said, "move" but he didn't. He said, "look." Which is even better. Because it means he is looking around. He's watching and observing. Remember, he looked left and right as he said this.

Play with em' = He is playing with everyone!! Except us of course. Hehe. I believe Michael is just sitting back and watching the media. Like he said...he is gonna play with them. Gosh I love Michael!!! <3

Snap my finger maybe and BAM = MJ will come back when he's ready and it is going to be BAM!! Can you guys think of a bigger surprise than MJ "dying?" I can! MJ coming back to life!! A hoax!! I really feel deep deep deep down in my heart that the love of my life is out there somewhere. He is not gone. I feel it. And I think he's coming back you guys.

Ch'mon...you don't think KO would put this in the film if there was no possibility. That would be cruel. He KNOWS MJ's fans are trying so hard to make sense of this. And MJ knows we are here too. That is why the clip was played at the very end. MJ knows only his truest fans would KNOW something was up and not wanna miss a thing. It was his message to US!! I truly believe it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uY_9y79I8M


P.S. Here is what Michael once said,

"I've been through hell and back. I have. And still, I'm able to do what I do. And uh, nothing can stop me. No one can stop me. No matter what. I'll stop when I'm ready to stop."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_X0d1WgVLs


Another thing...when they're talking before Billie Jean, Michael says, "I wanna be able to jump into the pool when I'm fully ready" or something like that. He is referring to the pool of light that is going to be on him when he dances to Billie Jean. The spotlight. He wants to be fully ready before he's back in the spotlight you guys. Smile

Was the movie planned?

I believe it was. I also think MJ wanted to do these concerts. But I think 50 was too many. They shouldn't have added that many. That is just too much. The rehearsal footage was probably meant to be shown, kinda like the Dangerous tour footage. Why in HD? Maybe MJ knew he wasn't going to be able to follow through with all of the shows. Maybe it was one of those things that you are really excited about and you really want to happen...but you see no way of it getting there. You know what I mean? He did want to do this though. He wanted his kids to see him up there. Smile They really shouldn't have scheduled 50 shows. I just keep coming back to that. I notice that there are only 5-6 outfits that MJ wears in the film. So, that leads me to believe he only showed up on a few occasions, just as others have reported. A lot of people are talking about how people made MJ feel like it was his fault that the shows were not going to be ready in time. I think it is true that MJ was not there while most of the stuff was being prepared. It was all of the technical stuff that wasn't going to be ready in time. MJ wouldn't have needed to be there for that stuff. It was their responsibility. He shouldn't have been blamed for their screw-ups. Another thing I and many others are wondering about is the voice-over. Remember when we hear MJ talking about the earth in TII? When did they record that? And why? That also makes me think that they were planning on making this a film. Smile

Other things I noticed:

*Remember MJ, KO, and that other guy doing that 'MJ Air' thing right before Man In The Mirror?
I thought that was so cute. They're talking about it and doing it and then MJ says he likes it and it's what the stewardesses do. Smile
Well, some people on youtube noticed that in this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkUWb7S33Js the zeppelin in the bg has words on it. And they say, "MJ AIR." Hehe. I wonder why. That could be something to look into. Smile

*I notice that Michael wears the same jacket at the 02 conference and in TII while rehearsing TDCAU and Smooth Criminal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZgU8xj-jM&feature=related
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/thisisit/trailers/068.jpg

* He keeps saying, "Let it simmer."

* They mentioned the pole dancer and aerialists, the four-post bed and chandeliers...but we didn't see anything else on the pole dancer so I think they're going to include that footage in the dvd. Smile

* While shooting MJ's dancers with the green screen for TDCAU, the camera screen says June 4, 09. And that's one of the days Michael came in. So, we know he was there on June 4th. Some people are saying he only showed up a few times which were during the week he 'died.'


Doubles:

So, after seeing the movie twice, I am still not sure whether there were doubles or not. At one point I thought I was 100% sure there were 2 MJs. This is because I saw that the MJ in the orange pants never really did any of the signature dance moves. He just kept hopping, skipping, walking, and running around on the stage. But then I saw that around the end of Smooth Criminal, MJ in the orange pants did some of the moves. That was the only time though I think. So IF there were any doubles...which I'm not sure there were, then it would be the guy in the orange pants for me. Especially when MJ is supposed to come out of the light man in the beginning. And you see him with his arm up as the music starts. I thought his facial expression was really weird. Of course all of this is only my opinion and what I noticed. I think the orange pants guy is Michael too though because remember when he said, "I gotta cue that." He sounds just like MJ. The truth is that I'm not sure...still.

It is going to be very difficult to determine whether or not one Michael is the real Michael. Okay, remember the 'ear theory'? You say there are 2 MJs because the ears are different in some scenes. Well, I thought it would be easy to simply compare pictures of MJ's right ear and tell the difference that way. And compare pictures of MJ's left ear and tell the difference with them as well. But it's not that simple folks. Because I just remembered something Souza mentioned in her blog. They flipped some of the footage in TII. So, how do we know if a picture/clip is really MJ's right or left side?

Example:

They used the mirror effect.




Real photo - microphone on left side


Mirror photo they show in trailer - microphone on right side


But my question is WHY? Why did they flip the footage? It doesn't really make a difference in the film right?
I don't know. Souza said that it is possible that the flipped footage is the real MJ. Which made sense to me at first. But then I realized that they have footage of one scene, such as Thriller, which is not flipped. And in it, MJ wears his mic on the left side and the right side. So he didn't always wear it on his left side.

Left side:
http://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif

Right side:
http://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif

So maybe it means nothing.

Do you see why this is not going to be easy? We will think we are looking at Michael's left ear because the footage is flipped but we might really be looking at his right ear.



Also, watch this interview with one of MJ's back up dancers, Timor Steffens. I love it but what I found interesting is around 8:15.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHhppK9QK0

Timor: "A beautiful moment. He is also very humoristic. He loves to laugh and he enjoys life."

Interviewer: "You talk in present tense all the time."

Timor: "What do you mean?"

Interviewer: "Not in the past, like he's not dead."

Timor: "But he isn't dead...not for me. Michael lives in all of us. I can feel him, in the life experience I now have. I can feel he's still there for me."


Now that sounds like he just meant that even though MJ is dead his spirit will live on in all of us. But IMO a lot of people who worked with MJ don't believe he's gone. I think a lot of people feel he is still here but they doubt themselves. I'm glad we know the truth. Smile The evidence is right in front of us. Remember that. Smile


The clues are done...time for some fun. Smile

Things I love in TII:

* When Michael keeps saying, "With the love. L.O.V.E."
* When Michael corrects people. Hehe. But he's really sweet about it too.
* When Michael dances as the stage is rising during Thriller and he motions for the monsters to go under.
* When Michael giggles at the music guy's comment and says, "A little more booty. That's funny."
* When Michael sings in Spanish. Aww....my heart melts.
* When he sings Speechless to us. <3
* When Michael motions with his finger for Judith Hill to come closer. I would have died. Smile
* When Michael is on the cherry picker and he keeps wanting to start the music. Smile
* When Michael says, "Why would you tell me that? He's teasing me. He knows I wanna go higher." and "Wheee." on the cherry picker. Smile
* When Michael smiles while dancing. <3
* During Beat It when Michael sings, "Beat eh-iit" You know?
* When Michael says, "It's okay. It's okay." when people mess up. Smile
* When Michael sings Black or White.
* The extended crotch grab during Billie Jean. Can't forget that. Hehe. Smile

I love EVERYTHING!! Lol.


Conclusion:

I hope you learned some stuff and laughed a little too. Post some replies. Keep the faith. I love all of you! Smile Smile

Michael, if you ever get the chance to read this, know that I LOVE YOU SO MUCH MORE. You are my heart and soul. This feeling won't go away. I will never let go of your hand. Please don't let go of mine. <3

With all my L.O.V.E.,
Elizabeth <3
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Post by April-R on Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:42 am

Wow, you really take care in doing your postings
I didn't knew about the date of Elvis's death..interesting coincindence and I love your interpretation of Michaels last words in the very end of the movie.
Aww I can't wait to actually see the movie. I'm going crazy sitting here and reading all the great optinions and findings..
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:47 am

@April-R

Thank you so much. Smile
You're going to LOVE it!! I loved it so much I went back!! And I just kept wishing there was some way I could stay in the theater and watch it over and over again. But I don't have enough money. Sad *Sigh* I'll be okay though. Smile

Love and hugs,
Elizabeth <3
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Post by Eva R on Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:27 am

Lizzie, your are amazing!!! You go to the movie and make notes for us! (ofcourse also for yourself but you know what i mean Wink )
Your are just great girl!! <333
Yeah, he is coming back for sure!! Just can't wait when!! Annybody any thoughts? Some people think June 2010 at the memorial in London.
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:35 am

Lol. Aww....thank you! Very Happy
People were wondering what I was doing with my giant white notebook. Lol. Smile
I didn't care though. I had to gather info. Hehe.
I really don't know when he'll come back. I'm leaving that to him. I just read a reply to my other thread and it talked about how MJ must be feeling right now. He could be scared and stressed. We really don't know. And that breaks my heart. Because you know how much we love him. We don't want him to ever hurt. He has given us some comfort by showing us these clues. I pray for his comfort and peace of mind right now. <3 I am going to leave it up to him. He knows when the time is best. Only he knows when he is fully ready. I trust him. I trust God. I know God will hold Michael in His hands. God bless you. Hugs,
Elizabeth <3
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:48 am

Just an observation here but I remember right after the movie there was some speculation as to whether or not MJ in the red and gold pants could be doubles. I purchased the CD and the full book that are both filled with pictures from the movie and what I found to be ironic is that in both of these there are no pictures at all of Michael wearing the red or gold pants. Not saying that it wasn't him but just find it peculiar that they didn't print any of those pictures. I hope what I am trying to say makes sense.
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Post by juliet on Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:50 am

LIZZEEEEEEE!!!

You reallyyyyy did a great job, a superb one and I'm so proud of you.
Thanks for seeing it 2x and I just don't know how to express my gratitude.

You're devotion is really incomparable and I hope he is reading your posts and that He should be proud of you because you are informing the fans about the movie and educating the non-fans who lurk around the forum.

God bless your heart so full of love

Lots of love and hugs (so sorry about smiley's arms- kinda short to express what I mean)
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Post by IndonesianGirl on Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:55 am

LIZZIE !!1
I LOVE YAAAAA !!!!

i really love your post ..
and this post makes me can't wait to watch TII again !!

thank yaa LIZZIE !!!! cheers cheers
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:56 am

kdkennedy74 wrote:Just an observation here but I remember right after the movie there was some speculation as to whether or not MJ in the red and gold pants could be doubles. I purchased the CD and the full book that are both filled with pictures from the movie and what I found to be ironic is that in both of these there are no pictures at all of Michael wearing the red or gold pants. Not saying that it wasn't him but just find it peculiar that they didn't print any of those pictures. I hope what I am trying to say makes sense.

Lol. Yes, you make complete sense. But I really felt like MJ in the gold pants was the real MJ if there were 2 MJs. I'm really not sure though. For now, I've decided it might be easier to just take all of it as MJ. Smile Lol. I loved the man before TII and I continue to love him after. I've just put soooo much thought into whether or not there is more than one MJ and which one it is if there are more....*sigh* It's very tiring. bounce Thank you for your observation. I really appreciate it. God bless you my dear. <3
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:59 am

juliet wrote:LIZZEEEEEEE!!!

You reallyyyyy did a great job, a superb one and I'm so proud of you.
Thanks for seeing it 2x and I just don't know how to express my gratitude.

You're devotion is really incomparable and I hope he is reading your posts and that He should be proud of you because you are informing the fans about the movie and educating the non-fans who lurk around the forum.

God bless your heart so full of love

Lots of love and hugs (so sorry about smiley's arms- kinda short to express what I mean)

LMBO!!! Juliet...you really have no clue how much you made me laugh with that last line. It's 7 am here and my roommate is still sleeping. I think I almost woke her up I laughed so loud. Lol. Sorry about smiley's arms? Awwww....hahah...kinda short...aww....it's not his fault. Lol. Thank you for reading my posts Juliet. I really appreciate it. God bless you. <3
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Post by MJJ Love on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:00 am

LIZZEE! Ur the absolute BOMB with your theory and breakdown.
Love it.
It makes good sense and I'm in total belief that it really was for the fans and BELIEVERS!
I'm so excited about this......
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:02 am

Ooohh...and love and hugs to you too!!! I was still giggling too much. Hehe.

IndonesianGirl...thank you!! I love you too!! Lol. I wish I could just live in that theater and pay the guy to play the movie over and over again for me. But I'm not rich. Sad
I'll live though. <3 Hugs. Smile
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:06 am

MJJ Love...thank you!! I'm so happy you're keeping the faith. It's so important. L.O.V.E. to you and everyone!! I'm so so so happy and excited too. God bless Michael and his beautiful soul. <3 Hugs,
Elizabeth <3
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:08 am

Ooohh...and I am now following you on Twitter. Lol. Love your bg and last tweet. Hehe. Karma...gotta love it. Lol. Smile
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:16 am

First I would like to say, great job Liz! Very well put together, nice theory! It's long but it's worth reading! This is my first time reading such a long theory, and the first time I found it interesting, glad that you're theory didn't bored me! Heh-Heh.
I wonder did you watch the movie yourself in the theater or with your parents or friend. As for this quote "what doesn't kill me only makes me stronger?" Kinda reminds me of Popeye you know? Do you know that Michael wore a Popeye T-shirt with the pointy shoulder jacket? And yeah I remembered reading somewhere that Thome Thome and the characters Popeye was in the credits, so does Dr. Murray be in the credits too? This all make more sense to me right now, but about the mirror reflection I still don't get it. I don't even know that they flipped the pictures. Thankyou Liz for you well put theory!
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Post by IndonesianGirl on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:28 am

LizzieBee wrote:Ooohh...and love and hugs to you too!!! I was still giggling too much. Hehe.

IndonesianGirl...thank you!! I love you too!! Lol. I wish I could just live in that theater and pay the guy to play the movie over and over again for me. But I'm not rich. Sad
I'll live though. <3 Hugs. Smile

lol me too .. haha i wish i can watch it every time !! hehe and i can find some clues!! hahah
hugs you too cheers cheers
hey, im following your twitter Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:31 am

Thank you iMISSYOUMJ!! Smile
Hehe. I'm happy it didn't bore you. Smile
I tried to make it interesting. <3
My parents are not MJ fans so nope...they would never go with me. Hehe. The first time I went with my friend and my grandma. The second time I went with my 6 yr. old sister. Smile
Hehe...Popeye. I remember watching that when I was little. I didn't know MJ wore a Popeye shirt. Yay! Lol.
Oooh. I found the pic!
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/thisisit/trailers/097.jpg
http://www.myteespot.com/images/Images_d/d_8077.jpg
Hmmm....cool. Thank you for pointing that out. You're a good detective love. Hehe.
*sigh* I still don't understand the mirror thing either. I don't know why they did it. confused
But I am really happy about all of this. We love you more Michael! <3
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:33 am

Lol. Yay!!! Thanks for following me. Hehe. <3
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:37 am

Aww lols thankyou Liz. Thankyou for posting the pictures I have no time to find it so thanks again. Hmm, Popeye with poker cards and spade necklace? Does this remind anyone of David Blaine? And don't forget Popeye is credited in the TII movie! That's make me go "hmmm, why is Popeye credited"!
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Post by IndonesianGirl on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:45 am

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:Aww lols thankyou Liz. Thankyou for posting the pictures I have no time to find it so thanks again. Hmm, Popeye with poker cards and spade necklace? Does this remind anyone of David Blaine? And don't forget Popeye is credited in the TII movie! That's make me go "hmmm, why is Popeye credited"!

lol! im wondering the same thing too ..
hehe ..
well .. i know he's wearing a popeye shirt in that movie ..
but should it credited too ??
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:47 am

IndonesianGirl wrote:
iMISSYOUMJ wrote:Aww lols thankyou Liz. Thankyou for posting the pictures I have no time to find it so thanks again. Hmm, Popeye with poker cards and spade necklace? Does this remind anyone of David Blaine? And don't forget Popeye is credited in the TII movie! That's make me go "hmmm, why is Popeye credited"!

im wondering the same thing too ..
hehe ..
well .. i know he's wearing a popeye shirt in that movie ..
but should it credited too ??

I don't know either, that's what bothering me.
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:50 am

Hmm.... scratch I've never even heard of David Blaine. I googled it though. Hmmm....that might be something to look into more. To see if there is a bigger connection you know? Wow. I wonder why Popeye is credited too.
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:57 am

LizzieBee wrote:Hmm.... I've never even heard of David Blaine. I googled it though. Hmmm....that might be something to look into more. To see if there is a bigger connection you know? Wow. I wonder why Popeye is credited too.

Hmm.. I think you have to take a look at both this thread.

http://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/david-blain-clue-t2828.htm?highlight=david+blaine+clues

http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/a-clue-that-we-all-missed-big-clue-t2779.htm
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Post by GirlSaturday on Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:43 am

WOW... Good job Lizzie. You really put a lot into this

You do realize that you probably caused some nosy people to miss portions of TII, right? They were too busy trying to keep an eye on you and your notebook.

One huge question looms for me. What about the noses? I saw a much different nose whenever I saw Mj wearing the red leather jacket and black jacket w/pointy shoulders compared to other scenes. That nose seemed larger and bulbous especially compared with the clearly slender nose seen during Smooth Criminal. I noticed this especially when the camera gave side profiles of his face. I've felt that the nose in those scenes showing red leather or black pointy shoulder jacket is the only thing that lead me to see doubles in the movie. Not the body frame since MJ tripped us up with layering and wearing baggy clothes. The only time he wore form fitting clothing was for red leather jacket and black jacket w/ pointy shoulders scenes.

Now... I'm going to stand close to the edge of a cliff and make a statement. You guys tell me if I you feel that I have taken a dive or if I may be on to something. Could MJ have intentionally worn a prosthetic nose and form fitting clothes for those scenes to cause questions as to whether he used doubles in TII?
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:55 am

GirlSaturday wrote:WOW... Good job Lizzie. You really put a lot into this

You do realize that you probably caused some nosy people to miss portions of TII, right? They were too busy trying to keep an eye on you and your notebook.

One huge question looms for me. What about the noses? I saw a much different nose whenever I saw Mj wearing the red leather jacket and black jacket w/pointy shoulders compared to other scenes. That nose seemed larger and bulbous especially compared with the clearly slender nose seen during Smooth Criminal. I noticed this especially when the camera gave side profiles of his face. I've felt that the nose in those scenes showing red leather or black pointy shoulder jacket is the only thing that lead me to see doubles in the movie. Not the body frame since MJ tripped us up with layering and wearing baggy clothes. The only time he wore form fitting clothing was for red leather jacket and black jacket w/ pointy shoulders scenes.

Now... I'm going to stand close to the edge of a cliff and make a statement. You guys tell me if I you feel that I have taken a dive or if I may be on to something. Could MJ have intentionally worn a prosthetic nose and form fitting clothes for those scenes to cause questions as to whether he used doubles in TII?

Okay first, "You do realize that you probably caused some nosy people to miss portions of TII, right? They were too busy trying to keep an eye on you and your notebook." Hahahahahah!!!!!! Oh my gosh!!! You're so right. I was using my peripherals and I could see this one guy and his mom turn their heads my way every time I'd start writing something down. Lol. You really made me laugh though. Wow. Hehe. Poor nosy people. Lol. Smile

I cannot believe I haven't talked about the noses yet. When the trailer first came out that is something I really noticed. I guess I just got distracted with all this talk on MJ's ears. Lol. But hmm...you make some very good points and yes the noses are so different in some scenes. And I thought the same thing when people were talking about MJ's body frame in different scenes, saying one MJ was skinnier. Clearly we can see in the film that he did where form fitting clothes occasionally. The orange pants, red jacket, etc. But then there were times he would wear anywhere from 3 to 5 layers of clothing. I was like, "Seriously MJ. Why are you wearing so many shirts?" Lol. But man did those black pajama pants look comfy. Hehe.

But back to the nose thing...I think it is very possible that he wore a prosthetic nose and form fitting clothes for that reason or some other reason. It's not that far fetched ya know? There is a difference in some of the scenes and you can tell. But why would he do this? Why would he want people to question? And why did he only sometimes wear form fitting clothes? It seemed like he was really comfortable in his baggy clothes (thriller). That's when I saw him dancing and smiling the most. Aww... Smile
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:02 pm

And btw, thank you for the links iMISSYOUMJ. Smile
They're pretty interesting. Hugs,
Elizabeth <3
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Post by iMISSYOUMJ on Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:02 pm

You're the most welcome! <3
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Post by ishealive on Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:00 pm

Excellent work Liz thank you for this!!

I firmly believe the end of the film after the credits was for us, most people
in any film they go to see leave the theatre after the credits roll so why put this clip in 5 mins later???? This was for us...
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:13 pm

ishealive wrote:Excellent work Liz thank you for this!!

I firmly believe the end of the film after the credits was for us, most people
in any film they go to see leave the theatre after the credits roll so why put this clip in 5 mins later???? This was for us...


I agree. It's nothing extra special to the normal viewer. Just an extra rehearsal clip. Only a few seconds. But to us...well to us this was big! It was meant for us. <3 I knew something had to be at the end of the credits the first time I saw it. So I waited and waited. And then I saw the clip but I didn't make anything of it. The next day, everyone was talking about it and the message in it. So I saw the movie a second time and I get it now. Smile I just giggled when everyone else in the theater left. Only one woman with her two kids and a young couple stayed. Then when the extra clip came, the girl in front of us said, "I told you!" to her boyfriend. Lol.
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Post by ishealive on Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:38 pm

LizzieBee wrote:
ishealive wrote:Excellent work Liz thank you for this!!

I firmly believe the end of the film after the credits was for us, most people
in any film they go to see leave the theatre after the credits roll so why put this clip in 5 mins later???? This was for us...


I agree. It's nothing extra special to the normal viewer. Just an extra rehearsal clip. Only a few seconds. But to us...well to us this was big! It was meant for us. <3 I knew something had to be at the end of the credits the first time I saw it. So I waited and waited. And then I saw the clip but I didn't make anything of it. The next day, everyone was talking about it and the message in it. So I saw the movie a second time and I get it now. Smile I just giggled when everyone else in the theater left. Only one woman with her two kids and a young couple stayed. Then when the extra clip came, the girl in front of us said, "I told you!" to her boyfriend. Lol.



So she's like us? I wonder is she on this site!
This was our little message and this reassures me that MJ is coming back!
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:10 pm

Hmm...lol. I don't think she meant anything by it. She was simply telling him that she was right about there being something extra at the end. But they didn't think anything of it. I kept wondering while I was in the theater, "What if there are people in here from the Mjkit forum???" Lol. But I'm sure they would have approached me...especially after seeing me take notes in my giant notebook. Hehe. Smile
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Post by ishealive on Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:12 pm

LizzieBee wrote:Hmm...lol. I don't think she meant anything by it. She was simply telling him that she was right about there being something extra at the end. But they didn't think anything of it. I kept wondering while I was in the theater, "What if there are people in here from the Mjkit forum???" Lol. But I'm sure they would have approached me...especially after seeing me take notes in my giant notebook. Hehe. Smile


Lol that's really funny - they probably thought you were a serious critic taking down all the notes....
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Post by city.gal1 on Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:22 pm

Hey Lizzie, good post and thread. I just wanted to ask/add something to the clues...

I just saw the movie again today and I have a question...When "baggie pants" MJ was performing he had a T-shirt on under his many layers with some writing on it.

Has anyone manged to make out what the shirt said?

I thought I caught ..."for me"... but I'm not really sure as I couldn't get a really good look. I
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Post by Eva R on Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:37 pm

city.gal1 wrote:Hey Lizzie, good post and thread. I just wanted to ask/add something to the clues...

I just saw the movie again today and I have a question...When "baggie pants" MJ was performing he had a T-shirt on under his many layers with some writing on it.

Has anyone manged to make out what the shirt said?

I thought I caught ..."for me"... but I'm not really sure as I couldn't get a really good look. I

[img:9e2d]http://mjkit.forumotion.net/[/img]

I read that he got this from a fan Smile
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Post by mjgirl86 on Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:42 pm

Eva R wrote:
city.gal1 wrote:Hey Lizzie, good post and thread. I just wanted to ask/add something to the clues...

I just saw the movie again today and I have a question...When "baggie pants" MJ was performing he had a T-shirt on under his many layers with some writing on it.

Has anyone manged to make out what the shirt said?

I thought I caught ..."for me"... but I'm not really sure as I couldn't get a really good look. I

[img:9f5d]http://mjkit.forumotion.net/[/img]

I read that he got this from a fan Smile

Yeah, he did Smile From a girl over at the MJJCommunity. That's really sweet. And we love those curls!!

By the way... this thread is AMAZING.. simply brilliant.. outstanding!

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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:44 pm

Thank you City.gal. I was actually wondering the same thing. Lol. And I wrote it down too. But I decided not to add it for some reason. scratch I'm weird like that. Lol. Anyway...look!! Eva found it for us!! Thank you so much Eva! You guys are really good at finding/pointing stuff out. Smile I kept trying to figure out what that shirt was. I thought I saw question marks at first and then music notes. Hmm...thanks for pointing this out again. Curls for my girls...LOL!! Awwee...MJ. <3 Smile
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Post by Eva R on Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:47 pm

mjgirl86 wrote:
Eva R wrote:
city.gal1 wrote:Hey Lizzie, good post and thread. I just wanted to ask/add something to the clues...

I just saw the movie again today and I have a question...When "baggie pants" MJ was performing he had a T-shirt on under his many layers with some writing on it.

Has anyone manged to make out what the shirt said?

I thought I caught ..."for me"... but I'm not really sure as I couldn't get a really good look. I

[img:8a0b]http://mjkit.forumotion.net/[/img]

I read that he got this from a fan Smile

Yeah, he did Smile From a girl over at the MJJCommunity. That's really sweet. And we love those curls!!

By the way... this thread is AMAZING.. simply brilliant.. outstanding!

YEAH WE LOVE CURLS!! Very Happy

but I also like short hair on Michael
like like like this one!! Sorry I am a hugh lover of Michael with short hair!!
[img:0361]http://mjkit.forumotion.net/[/img]
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Post by city.gal1 on Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:49 pm

Thanks EvaR -- Now I remember reading those posts about the shirt. I didn't put 2 and 2 together..Duh!
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:00 pm

Lol!! Awweee...I love Michael always!!! He could wear a paper bag and make it look good. Haha. He's so precious. My heart just melts when I see him. So beautiful. <3

I LOVE in the You Are Not Alone vid he shakes his head like...oh...I'll get the link...wait a min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHREAQWFI8 at 2:33...ooohh...I'm in love all over again. Lol. drunken
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Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:01 pm

Awww how cute that he would wear that
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Post by Eva R on Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:04 pm

yeah Michael just really loves his fans. Not just because we buy things of him, like some other artists, but he REALLY loves us!!
I read that in his room he has all the letters and stuff that the fans gave him! So sweeet!!!
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:08 pm

Awww...I read that too. And I think I saw it in a documentary or something before...he was showing someone all of the stuff his fans had given him. That's just too sweet. Aww....my heart melts......AGAIN! Hehe. <3 WE LOVE YOU MORE MICHAEL! <3
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Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:11 pm

Oh God Eva...I can't handle that. This is what I referred to in my posts that I had written through all this on other sites. I posted them here too just to get you know complimented No I did it to share...you know those days when you just hurt and then realize there are so many right there feeling the same thing. That is y we love him so much-because we felt the love off him.

http://mjkit.forumotion.net/general-talk-f40/just-sharing-my-thoughts-from-other-sites-through-out-this-mess-t2577.htm?highlight=just+sharing+some+thoughts
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Post by GirlSaturday on Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:29 pm

People are talking so word is getting around regarding the special ending.

I saw TII twice at the theater. The first time, I sat alone when the extra ending appeared. The second time two others stayed behind along with me.

LizzieBee wrote:Hmm...lol. I don't think she meant anything by it. She was simply telling him that she was right about there being something extra at the end. But they didn't think anything of it. I kept wondering while I was in the theater, "What if there are people in here from the Mjkit forum???" Lol. But I'm sure they would have approached me...especially after seeing me take notes in my giant notebook. Hehe. Smile
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Post by ilprincipe on Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:37 pm

Wow Lizzy!
Great summary. I definately have to watch it a 2nd time.
I really would like to see a pic from you and your notebook and the confused
TII viewers around you lol.

The speech of MJ: for me it was also adressed to the hoax-believers...
otherwise the speech would make no sense at all....
Why such a speech at a rehearsal?
Why maybe rehearse such a speech for a concert?
I can't find a solution for that....so I....yes..I think this
was a message for us.

You discovered GILDA like many others before..interesting part.
Did you get to know which Humphrey Bogart Movie was shown?
Some say "the big sleep" others think
"The amazing Dr. Clitterhouse"
in the Clitterhouse movie....it's about a doctor who poisoned somebody...
sounds familar hmm?
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Post by LizzieBee on Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:39 pm

Yup. In my case though, the whole theater stayed the first time I saw it. That was opening night though. And the second time I saw it, there were only 5 other people. There were less people there too though.

And look what I found. You know how we were saying that MJ's nose is a different shape when he's wearing the red leather jacket etc.? Well, it actually looks like his nose does in You Are Not Alone when he crinkles it while smiling. Smile
http://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif&t=1257197333846
And from TII:
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/thisisit/trailers/123.jpg
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/thisisit/trailers/125.jpg

Awweee...MJ smiling. Hehe. Smile What do you think?
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Post by city.gal1 on Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:50 pm

ilprincipe wrote:Wow Lizzy!
Great summary. I definately have to watch it a 2nd time.
I really would like to see a pic from you and your notebook and the confused
TII viewers around you lol.

The speech of MJ: for me it was also adressed to the hoax-believers...
otherwise the speech would make no sense at all....
Why such a speech at a rehearsal?
Why maybe rehearse such a speech for a concert?
I can't find a solution for that....so I....yes..I think this
was a message for us.

You discovered GILDA like many others before..interesting part.
Did you get to know which Humphrey Bogart Movie was shown?
Some say "the big sleep" others think
"The amazing Dr. Clitterhouse"
in the Clitterhouse movie....it's about a doctor who poisoned somebody...
sounds familar hmm?


I posted yesterday about the commentary that MJ made during what is supposed to be rehearsal footage and said that it convinced me that it was supposed to be a movie all along. For whatever reason the thread was locked but here is the link:

http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/just-realized-something-else-strange-retii-movie-t3097.htm
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YEAH WE LOVE CURLS!! Very Happy

but I also like short hair on Michael
like like like this one!! Sorry I am a hugh lover of Michael with short hair!!
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OMGAWD, you too??!.... YES!! the short hair is sexay.... like this!!





YUMMM!!!

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Post by neverlandprincess on Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:34 pm

@mjgirl-awgawd! that is some sexy pics rightcher!
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Re: TII Clues and MUCH MORE!

Post by juliet on Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:33 pm

city.gal1 wrote:
ilprincipe wrote:Wow Lizzy!
Great summary. I definately have to watch it a 2nd time.
I really would like to see a pic from you and your notebook and the confused
TII viewers around you lol.

The speech of MJ: for me it was also adressed to the hoax-believers...
otherwise the speech would make no sense at all....
Why such a speech at a rehearsal?
Why maybe rehearse such a speech for a concert?
I can't find a solution for that....so I....yes..I think this
was a message for us.

You discovered GILDA like many others before..interesting part.
Did you get to know which Humphrey Bogart Movie was shown?
Some say "the big sleep" others think
"The amazing Dr. Clitterhouse"
in the Clitterhouse movie....it's about a doctor who poisoned somebody...
sounds familar hmm?


I posted yesterday about the commentary that MJ made during what is supposed to be rehearsal footage and said that it convinced me that it was supposed to be a movie all along. For whatever reason the thread was locked but here is the link:

[url=http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/just-realized-something-else-strange-retii-movie-t3097.htm
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/just-realized-something-else-strange-retii-movie-t3097.htm[/quote[/url]]


I'm sorry that the thread got locked. I wanted also to post something and I noticed the same. I hate it when people's ideas/thoughts that you guys want to share are being ignored.

Don't worry guys, I have great respect for you guys who are sharing all your thoughts and helping out to find the truth.
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