ambulance picture!! theory

this picture has been buggin me for i don't know how long!!

if you look at the IV tube coming from the apparatus near his mouth and the clip!!
it appears to have blood or something red in it!!

SO when you have an IV drip put in they flush it through with saline first to clear it..
(of any excess blood that may have come out when putting in the drip) (canular)
THEN the solution whatever it may be is administered into the drip.. which then
goes in to the body!!

IT'S confusing the hell out of me why there appears to be blood or somthing red in
the tube when that would clearly state that something is coming out into the drip..

I don't believe this is possible!! as this would mean that the IV was taking things out
instead of administering it!! which i have never seen or heard of before.. unless
your a blood doner then it come out.. obviously.. lol..

ANY IDEAS!!

hmm you are right about that! I've checked it does indeed looks like blood..
Now the "new story of dr murray" doesn't add up at all!
In the "new story" michael was long dead before the paramedics arrived and murray kept pushing them to do cpr and stuff.. so that would mean michael was allready dead when the ambulance took off to the hospital and that also would mean the ambulance picture surely is fake! (cause they said he was in a COMA not DEAD) and if this murray story would be correct.. that michael was dead before paramedics even came in to the house.. why would they put an IV in his nose? Oh right.. and another thing quite important to mention.. the paramedics said.. that his blood was allready gone away from his head and upperbody down to his feet.. so another story didn't add up here ... if it was true.. and the blood was indeed strained down to his feet.. how come there appears to be blood in the IV tube?

Why would the blood be drained down to his feet? When you are lying down the blood would go to the back of the body. Gravity and all that. That is how people get lavidity (sp?) marks on their back. It would only be all down to his feet if he were standing up. That makes no sense.

in the job i used to work in.. there is no-way on this earth if michael
was dead would there be a vein petruding from his head!!

why would they put an IV in his nose?

the line under his nose is oxygen.. the IV tube is wrapped around the mouth apparatus from my observation.. going under the sheets!!

so where that is attached and going to is very strange!!

when your dieing you go purple from the feet up!! where all your blood is clotting.. experienced it many times.. not me of course!! lol.. but once your dead you go back pink for a while.. then change colour again..
which determines how long you have bin dead!!

Bicky wrote:Why would the blood be drained down to his feet? When you are lying down the blood would go to the back of the body. Gravity and all that. That is how people get lavidity (sp?) marks on their back. It would only be all down to his feet if he were standing up. That makes no sense.

The blood couldn't have been drained down to his feet (or whomever's feet they were!) unless the person were in an upright position. As you said, gravity would pull the blood to the back of the body, if he were lying flat. That's what happens with lividity...the blood settles.

It's a fake photo anyway...
Somebody else has a thread showing the old picture (from the 80s) they used to make this. It was another ambulance scene (nobody seems to know what the incident was) and they pasted the equipment onto this other photo of him laying down. That's why things don't seem to fit right on his face and the paramedics hand is in the wrong spot.

Besides that, this is a way younger Michael than the 50 yr. old that he was at the time of his "death". It's totally bogus.

didnt the man they showed in the movie particulary the scene which MJ sings they dont care about us which i believe was said to be the day right before June 25th.. anywho doesnt that image of MJ look a little thinner than the Mj in the ambulance photo?

I think Mj looked very thin in the movie but Michael is just naturally a thin person.

we really need some medical personnal on here.

my bro is a emt and considers there might have been a hoax here. i need to get him over here.

There was a thread earlier today that had a link to a YouTube video comparing two/three ambulance videos. It took a while to watch the complete original video because you had to watch another video a couple of times during the original one.

There are a few points that are made but the one that stood out to me was in one video, you could see where the tour bus was. It was parked parallel to a fire truck outside of the gates of Michael's home. In another video taken at a different angle, you can clearly see that the tour bus is not there. The maker of the original video instructs you to go back and watch during a very specific (time-wise) part of the second video. It's during a part when the person taking the video is running and the camera is extremely shaky. But, if you watch the video frame-by-frame, the tour bus is just not there.

There is actually a second video that is referenced but it was pulled by its maker. I did not need it, though, to see that there was most definitely more than one instance of an ambulance leaving the gates.

I'll see if I can find the video...

ITS NOT BLOOD...I THINK

This is the video that I spoke of earlier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQETywL9Ih0

LucyLocket wrote:There was a thread earlier today that had a link to a YouTube video comparing two/three ambulance videos. It took a while to watch the complete original video because you had to watch another video a couple of times during the original one.

There are a few points that are made but the one that stood out to me was in one video, you could see where the tour bus was. It was parked parallel to a fire truck outside of the gates of Michael's home. In another video taken at a different angle, you can clearly see that the tour bus is not there. The maker of the original video instructs you to go back and watch during a very specific (time-wise) part of the second video. It's during a part when the person taking the video is running and the camera is extremely shaky. But, if you watch the video frame-by-frame, the tour bus is just not there.

There is actually a second video that is referenced but it was pulled by its maker. I did not need it, though, to see that there was most definitely more than one instance of an ambulance leaving the gates.

I'll see if I can find the video...

I don't see any blood!

if you look over the mouth piece you can see the tube is clear!!
but near the clip an his ear and hair.. it's red!!

like there is something in it.. and not medication so to speak!!

gosh, I think I am blind... I can't see it.. sorry...

Eva R wrote:I don't see any blood!

HI Eva!

And hmm.... I don't know what to think on this..

why didnt they use a defibulator once he was in the ambulance? doesnt it seem like they are still doing CPR?

I'm not in the medical field so i dont know.

Crescendo wrote:didnt the man they showed in the movie particulary the scene which MJ sings they dont care about us which i believe was said to be the day right before June 25th.. anywho doesnt that image of MJ look a little thinner than the Mj in the ambulance photo?

I think Mj looked very thin in the movie but Michael is just naturally a thin person.

we really need some medical personnal on here.

my bro is a emt and considers there might have been a hoax here. i need to get him over here.

Yeah it's definitely not a recent picture. His face is softer/fuller, his skin is still a bit dark, and he just looks more youthful. Wasn't even gonna bother pointing out all the make-up that he apparently wears to sleep.

DarkYetLovely wrote:

Crescendo wrote:didnt the man they showed in the movie particulary the scene which MJ sings they dont care about us which i believe was said to be the day right before June 25th.. anywho doesnt that image of MJ look a little thinner than the Mj in the ambulance photo?

I think Mj looked very thin in the movie but Michael is just naturally a thin person.

we really need some medical personnal on here.

my bro is a emt and considers there might have been a hoax here. i need to get him over here.

Yeah it's definitely not a recent picture. His face is softer/fuller, his skin is still a bit dark, and he just looks more youthful. Wasn't even gonna bother pointing out all the make-up that he apparently wears to sleep.

Hmmm, very good point...

DarkYetLovely wrote:

Crescendo wrote:didnt the man they showed in the movie particulary the scene which MJ sings they dont care about us which i believe was said to be the day right before June 25th.. anywho doesnt that image of MJ look a little thinner than the Mj in the ambulance photo?

I think Mj looked very thin in the movie but Michael is just naturally a thin person.

we really need some medical personnal on here.

my bro is a emt and considers there might have been a hoax here. i need to get him over here.

Yeah it's definitely not a recent picture. His face is softer/fuller, his skin is still a bit dark, and he just looks more youthful. Wasn't even gonna bother pointing out all the make-up that he apparently wears to sleep.

you think he wore makeup to sleep?
i do the samething. although Michael doesnt have to.

Well I don't know that he does... but if this photo is to be believed it would suggest so. I suppose it's possible seeing as how he was rehearsing 'til the wee hours of the morning, sleeping, and getting up to do it again. I probably wouldn't bother taking off any make-up before I went to be if I was on that schedule. But in either case, this is just not a recent photo. And that's my point.

And a point very well made

Off topic...

HEY Mjgirl!! Where is my new and improved signature pic? LOL

mjgirl86 wrote:And a point very well made

Thank you!

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Off topic...

HEY Mjgirl!! Where is my new and improved signature pic? LOL

I know, I was just thinking about it, like 15 minutes ago... I still can't get windows movie maker to read my avi file, so I can make a clip of that part, and make a gif.. I'll see what I can do

Something that just hit me and I don't know why I haven't thought of this before, but why, if the photographer of this photo was rushing and just pointing and shooting, do we have a perfect shot and nothing to detect that the photographer was on the outside such as part of the window frame, part of the outside of the vehicle, or something else from the ambulance. I highly doubt that in the rush of the moment and just holding a camera in the air and hoping for the best that you would honestly ever get this perfect "final shot" of MJ. JMO!

kdkennedy74 wrote:Something that just hit me and I don't know why I haven't thought of this before, but why, if the photographer of this photo was rushing and just pointing and shooting, do we have a perfect shot and nothing to detect that the photographer was on the outside such as part of the window frame, part of the outside of the vehicle, or something else from the ambulance. I highly doubt that in the rush of the moment and just holding a camera in the air and hoping for the best that you would honestly ever get this perfect "final shot" of MJ. JMO!

You are correct!! there is no blurry picture here like it was taken while the photographer or object being shot was in motion.
There is however, different speeds of film you can buy to avoid "blurriness"...I dont know what kind of camera he was using but youre right!!

It looks as though he was standing still and so was the ambie!

Yes, and also, the ambulance windows were tinted... how such a clear shot??

For me it looks like a Double...

Why is there an Iv in his upper body full of blood anyway. TMZ said his body and neck were riddled with needle marks and collapsed veins and the only vein they could find to start an iv was behind the knee.

And as soon as I find it, there is a video showing Michael a week before he "died" trying on his costumes. You can see his neck and arms. and I don't see any needle marks. And I didn't see any mark in the THIS IS IT film either.

Why is there an Iv in his upper body full of blood anyway. TMZ said his body and neck were riddled with needle marks and collapsed veins and the only vein they could find to start an iv was behind the knee.

this is what i was getting at.. whether the pic is from the 80's / 90's
the whole picture is wrong.. especially with the discolouration of the IV tube..
which adds another pointer to it being fake!!

this is what Klein comented on that he had an IV in his on the pic.. so what was
the need to go in the back of the knee!!

its so confusing!!

DarkYetLovely wrote:Well I don't know that he does... but if this photo is to be believed it would suggest so. I suppose it's possible seeing as how he was rehearsing 'til the wee hours of the morning, sleeping, and getting up to do it again. I probably wouldn't bother taking off any make-up before I went to be if I was on that schedule. But in either case, this is just not a recent photo. And that's my point.

True this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qE22UOlQts
is marked June 23rd. this is the same video they kept airing millions of times on the news and i believe they said this video came from the night right before June 25th. i could be wrong. this video of Michael doesnt look anything like the guy in the ambulance. that ambulance photo looks like Mj from the black or white era when he didnt look so painfully thin.

wow I didn't know about the knee iv, lisap.

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