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Post by MJGIRL18 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:48 pm

HERE IS A PIC OF THE AMBULANCE SCREEN WHEN THEY WERE CALLED TO MJ'S HOUSE .

NOW HERE IS A SCREENSHOT OF KENNY ORTEGA'S TWEET FROM THE 25TH.

THERE IS A 23 MINUTE GAP BETWEEN 12:21 AND 12:43.
HOW COULD KENNY NOT KNOW MJ WAS HOSPITALIZED.....OR DEAD.
HE WAS TWEETING FOR 23 MINUTES AFTER 911 WAS CALLED.




DO YOU FIND THAT STRANGE?
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:50 pm

Maybe he didnt know at that point yet...
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Post by Kirsche on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:51 pm

MJGIRL18 wrote:HERE IS A PIC OF THE AMBULANCE SCREEN WHEN THEY WERE CALLED TO MJ'S HOUSE .

NOW HERE IS A SCREENSHOT OF KENNY ORTEGA'S TWEET FROM THE 25TH.

THERE IS A 23 MINUTE GAP BETWEEN 12:21 AND 12:43.
HOW COULD KENNY NOT KNOW MJ WAS HOSPITALIZED.....OR DEAD.
HE WAS TWEETING FOR 23 MINUTES AFTER 911 WAS CALLED.




DO YOU FIND THAT STRANGE?

Hi second tweet is sooooo odd! In the first moment he says, great loss etc. and in the next moment is joking around with hints etc...not normal for me
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Post by icy55 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:52 pm

i think when MJ was in the ambulance, the first people they would call are his family members and relatives. calling a work colleague would probably be the last thing i guess.
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:54 pm

Anyone notice the phone number on the screen for the calling number...

909-273-4846

Landline or cell? It belongs to someone that was in that house. Any takers for calling it? I can't since I am at work.
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Post by Kirsche on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:56 pm

I saw one youtube video, where they tracked phone number... and the number was from a hotel
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:57 pm

Im on it.
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Post by Thetruth on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:57 pm

Kenny Ortega talked to Michael's to Dr. Conrad Murray before Michael went into cardiac arrest, KO didint knew at that time that Michael was being hospitalized.
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:58 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:Anyone notice the phone number on the screen for the calling number...

909-273-4846

Landline or cell? It belongs to someone that was in that house. Any takers for calling it? I can't since I am at work.

wow...I was NERVOUS!! Its a Verizon wireless number...the person is unavailable!! It didnt say disconnected or anything!! Hmmmmm.....I will be calling again soon!!
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:59 pm

Kirsche wrote:I saw one youtube video, where they tracked phone number... and the number was from a hotel

That's odd...why would someone from a hotel be calling 911 for Michael Jackson? How would they know he was in trouble?
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:00 pm

There is another phone number on there as well I think....but I cant make out the first number...a 4 maybe?
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:01 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
kdkennedy74 wrote:Anyone notice the phone number on the screen for the calling number...

909-273-4846

Landline or cell? It belongs to someone that was in that house. Any takers for calling it? I can't since I am at work.

wow...I was NERVOUS!! Its a Verizon wireless number...the person is unavailable!! It didnt say disconnected or anything!! Hmmmmm.....I will be calling again soon!!

Unavailable?!? That's odd since we were told that the call was made from Murray's cell phone and he claims that he is unable to check his messages either on phone or email since this happened. If that is the case and this is his number, shouldn't his mailbox be full? If I were him, I would have changed my number. Makes no sense. Maybe it is Michael's cell number and of course he wouldn't answer an unknown call...lol
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:03 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:
Kirsche wrote:I saw one youtube video, where they tracked phone number... and the number was from a hotel

That's odd...why would someone from a hotel be calling 911 for Michael Jackson? How would they know he was in trouble?

its a cell number:

(909) 273-4846

Type: Cell Phone Provider: Verizon WirelessLocation: Arrowhead, CA




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Post by MJLover1990 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:04 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Im on it.

Thanks, this could be quite interesting!
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Post by city.gal1 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:07 pm

Jacksonologist, very interesting but one would think that this number would be disconnected by now since this picture has been on the internet for wuite awhile. I'm sure that others would have tried to call it also. So it's still a valid, working number.
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:07 pm






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I did a reverse lookup using yellowpages.com and this is what I come up with when I done an extended search. I can't pay to see the complete report but I do find it convenient that this number is for Cedar Glen, CA. Maybe my thinking that it is Michael's line isn't that far fetched after all!!!!!!
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:11 pm

If you click on view details you can get the full report for $4.99. I know it isn't much but if I put that on my credit card my husband may be the next one to have a coronary. It also shows that phone owner details are available.
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Post by ziffes on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:11 pm

Kirsche wrote:I saw one youtube video, where they tracked phone number... and the number was from a hotel

i dident see that video..

could you please give me the link for it.. im dying to see it What a Face
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Post by DarkYetLovely on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:16 pm

How is it we have a picture of the ambulance screen anyway?
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:19 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
kdkennedy74 wrote:Anyone notice the phone number on the screen for the calling number...

909-273-4846

Landline or cell? It belongs to someone that was in that house. Any takers for calling it? I can't since I am at work.

wow...I was NERVOUS!! Its a Verizon wireless number...the person is unavailable!! It didnt say disconnected or anything!! Hmmmmm.....I will be calling again soon!!

Unavailable?!? That's odd since we were told that the call was made from Murray's cell phone and he claims that he is unable to check his messages either on phone or email since this happened. If that is the case and this is his number, shouldn't his mailbox be full? If I were him, I would have changed my number. Makes no sense. Maybe it is Michael's cell number and of course he wouldn't answer an unknown call...lol


I called it agin...it never rings but goes straight to a m essage that says : Welcome to Verizon wireless, the wireless customer you called is not available at this time, please try your call again later.
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:21 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:





Successful Match! [color:4e20=#666]Phone Number Results for (909) 273-4846</FONT>

Click on the Phone Number or View Details link for more information

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(909) 273-4846
[color:4e20=#666]Cedar Glen, CA</FONT>
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<td align=left ;>Available</TD></TR>
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<tr><td style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" align=left>County: </TD>
<td align=left>San Bernardino</TD></TR>
<tr><td style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" align=left>Latitude: </TD>
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I did a reverse lookup using yellowpages.com and this is what I come up with when I done an extended search. I can't pay to see the complete report but I do find it convenient that this number is for Cedar Glen, CA. Maybe my thinking that it is Michael's line isn't that far fetched after all!!!!!!


Scroll up and look at my search...it says the number is from Arrow Head, CA. ???? and you get Cedar Glen?
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Post by ziffes on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:22 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
kdkennedy74 wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
kdkennedy74 wrote:Anyone notice the phone number on the screen for the calling number...

909-273-4846

Landline or cell? It belongs to someone that was in that house. Any takers for calling it? I can't since I am at work.

wow...I was NERVOUS!! Its a Verizon wireless number...the person is unavailable!! It didnt say disconnected or anything!! Hmmmmm.....I will be calling again soon!!

Unavailable?!? That's odd since we were told that the call was made from Murray's cell phone and he claims that he is unable to check his messages either on phone or email since this happened. If that is the case and this is his number, shouldn't his mailbox be full? If I were him, I would have changed my number. Makes no sense. Maybe it is Michael's cell number and of course he wouldn't answer an unknown call...lol


I called it agin...it never rings but goes straight to a m essage that says : Welcome to Verizon wireless, the wireless customer you called is not available at this time, please try your call again later.

really odd why would the phone be shut down???
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Post by bibi on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:26 pm

hm..i really wonder what that report says...
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:28 pm

Arrow Head and Cedar Glen? That is odd. Maybe we will get to the bottom of this mystery soon. All I know is something isn't right. I wonder, are Arrow Head and Cedar Glen close? I will research a map and see what I can find.
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Post by 4KB on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:31 pm

I am wondering why we have a picture of the screen as well.
I also called (from Canada) and got the same Verison Wireless outgoing message.
Hmmmm, you guys are so smart...KEEP GOING!
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Post by Eva R on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:32 pm

[quote=.

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Why did they make this photo anyway?? :S
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:34 pm

Maybe they are out of range...sometimes that kind of message comes up when they are in a bad spot...

i dont have a cell phone so I dont know for sure...
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:35 pm

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Lake+Arrowhead&state=CA

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Cedar+Glen&state=CA

Check out the above links. I googled a search for maps of Cedar Glen and Arrowhead and look at what it pulled. Essentially they are in the same location so both of our searches appear to be correct IMO.
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Post by 4KB on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:35 pm

The other number is --800-451-5242
It is the Verison subpoena and court order processing group
There is a recorded message.....ODD
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Post by silvy on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:37 pm

Latitude: 34.24
Longitude: -117.18  ( San Bernadino??)
and now look on the coordinates on the screenshot from the ambulance.( the phone is moved! or still moving...)http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html


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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:37 pm

Eva R wrote:[quote=.


Why did they make this photo anyway?? :S[/quote]

Probably to PROVE the death was real. But people dont take pics of things like this in the US. Who would think of doing that? "Oh gee, Im at MJ's house and he is dying...I think I'll sneak in the ambie and take a pic of whatever I can find.." COME ON!! I would be frantic and not thinking straight,, ESPECIALLY if it was a friend...this is from Ben Evanstad right?
they are trying too hard to make this whole thing believeable that it just looks more fake.
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Post by Eva R on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:39 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
Eva R wrote:[quote=.


Why did they make this photo anyway?? :S

Probably to PROVE the death was real. But people dont take pics of things like this in the US. Who would think of doing that? "Oh gee, Im at MJ's house and he is dying...I think I'll sneak in the ambie and take a pic of whatever I can find.." COME ON!! I would be frantic and not thinking straight,, ESPECIALLY if it was a friend...this is from Ben Evanstad right?
they are trying too hard to make this whole thing believeable that it just looks more fake.[/quote]

exactly sis!
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:41 pm

silvy wrote:Latitude: 34.24
Longitude: -117.18 ( San Bernadino??)
and now look on the coordinates on the screenshot from the ambulance.( the phone is moved! or still moving...)http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html

? I dont get it...sorry, Im a little thick.
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Post by Thetruth on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:43 pm

The pitchure was not from the ambulance it was from the firetruck outside Michael's house, a pap climbed up and took a shot.
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Post by DarkYetLovely on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:44 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
Eva R wrote:[quote=.


Why did they make this photo anyway?? :S

Probably to PROVE the death was real. But people dont take pics of things like this in the US. Who would think of doing that? "Oh gee, Im at MJ's house and he is dying...I think I'll sneak in the ambie and take a pic of whatever I can find.." COME ON!! I would be frantic and not thinking straight,, ESPECIALLY if it was a friend...this is from Ben Evanstad right?
they are trying too hard to make this whole thing believeable that it just looks more fake.[/quote]


My thoughts exactly
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Post by me0101 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:47 pm

I just called (909) 273-4846. It's active and went to voicemail. </FONT>
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:47 pm

Thetruth wrote:The pitchure was not from the ambulance it was from the firetruck outside Michael's house, a pap climbed up and took a shot.

My bad...I meant firetruck! sorry!
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:48 pm

me0101 wrote:I just called (909) 273-4846. It's active and went to voicemail. </FONT>

?

It didnt go to voicemail for me!! Hang on...Im gonna try it again.


Nope,,I got the same thing as last time....what did the voicemail say?
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Post by Thetruth on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:49 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
Thetruth wrote:The pitchure was not from the ambulance it was from the firetruck outside Michael's house, a pap climbed up and took a shot.

My bad...I meant firetruck! sorry!
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Post by DarkYetLovely on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:49 pm

me0101 wrote:I just called (909) 273-4846. It's active and went to voicemail.


Did you leave a message? 'Cause that would be awesome!
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Post by 4KB on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:51 pm

That is so funny - we are all calling at the same time. I called that number as well again and it is not a voicemail.....

I am just going to post this again...not sure if it got missed.

The other number on the screen is --800-451-5242. I just called it and it is a recorded message saying that"
It is the Verison subpoena and court order processing group...




Can you tell me what that is???????????
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:53 pm

I decided to sneak out and take a break and I tried calling it as well. You can't leave a message. It just says that the verizon customer you have called is not available, please try again later.

I wonder if it has been disconnected because I know my cell company uses a recording that says "the person you are trying to reach is not accepting calls at this time" when a number has been temporarily disconnected.
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:55 pm

4KB wrote:That is so funny - we are all calling at the same time. I called that number as well again and it is not a voicemail.....

I am just going to post this again...not sure if it got missed.

The other number on the screen is --800-451-5242. I just called it and it is a recorded message saying that"
It is the Verison subpoena and court order processing group...




Can you tell me what that is???????????

I think that is the line for someone to get transcripts of accounts if they are subpeonaed. It would require an attorney or court representative to get the information.
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Post by dyanne on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:58 pm

Maybe someone from US could purchase the full report. It is about 5$. I wanted to, but unfortunately they don't accept international credit cards Sad
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Post by jpresley on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:03 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:I decided to sneak out and take a break and I tried calling it as well. You can't leave a message. It just says that the verizon customer you have called is not available, please try again later.

I wonder if it has been disconnected because I know my cell company uses a recording that says "the person you are trying to reach is not accepting calls at this time" when a number has been temporarily disconnected.

I'm w/ AT&T and my default voicemail setting is the pre-recorded message that states that "***.***.**** is not available, please leave a msg at the tone." I've also heard the "so and so isn't available, please try again later" message when someone is in a bad spot coverage wise. Seems to me the phone is still active?!
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Post by Christiana on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:04 pm

I've purchased the report on this number from Intelius and I'm waiting for the results. They're not there yet. But I will say that I saw this photo and read info about it quite awhile ago. From what I read, the phone number belonged to Alberto Alvarez; it was disconnected after this photo surfaced (obviously). If the phone number is active now, then in all likelihood the number just belongs to someone else now. I don't get a voicemail when I call, I get the same recording about the customer not being available as other people got.

When I have more info, I'll post it here.
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:05 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:
4KB wrote:That is so funny - we are all calling at the same time. I called that number as well again and it is not a voicemail.....

I am just going to post this again...not sure if it got missed.

The other number on the screen is --800-451-5242. I just called it and it is a recorded message saying that"
It is the Verison subpoena and court order processing group...




Can you tell me what that is???????????

I think that is the line for someone to get transcripts of accounts if they are subpeonaed. It would require an attorney or court representative to get the information.

Now the next question for the day is WHY would that number be on the screen in the FIRETRUCK?
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Post by rowdyangel on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:08 pm

And why the hell would that number be given to someone else after it was previously Alvarez's? Surely the 'new owner' is just going to get bombarded with calls scratch

This is very strange. Can't wait to see results of the report.
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Post by Grace on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:10 pm

Jacksonologist,

as far as I know the phone number belonged to Alvarez but of course due to publishing it was shut down.

The pic of the monitor is not the only "proof pic". It's strange however that they left the monitor in public for everybody to see - knowing there would be paparazzi for sure. Usually emergency details remain closed and the laptop would be more useful in the ambulance than the firetruck IMO.

The second "proof pic" was shown in the NPG interview: Evenstad shot the picture of Chris Weiss at the side window from down Carolwood Drive. Just to prove that NPG shot THE pic.

Unfortunately this picture from down Carolwood just proves that they undertook several takes of the ambulance leaving.
You will notice when comparing the Hollywood TV "official" video and the TMZ tourbus video that
1) pylones around the firetruck were missing in one video when they were placed in the other, that
2) the guy in the red shirt who was supposed to be with Chris Weiss at the side window in one video does not even run to the side but turn from the ambulance back to his car in the other video and that
3) the shadows of the trees on the street, ambulance and garbage bins are different in the videos.
Not to forget that the tourbus is being parked at different distances to the firetruck in the vids.

Did you ever wonder in the toubus video that there were only 5 cars following the ambulance and the SUVs and that the so important red car stayed in front of the gates? The one possibly belonging to Ben Evenstad?
My best guess: they went right back into the house to check the photo and film material and decide on the publication.

And the NPG interview was done by a Norwegian news agency - huh?
He's having friends in Oslo.

We should have known right from the start, right?
Looking back from today, I have a big smile on my face.
We did great though. Dedicated detectives and still on the road.
BRAVO to all investigators. Great team around the globe.

Are we in audition for being his extension?
Yes we are.
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Post by StripedFeline on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:13 pm

Ohh, this sounds very interesting! I live in England so I probably can't call it up, but it seems most of you have tried a couple of times anyway ... Is anyone going to pay that fee to get more details? I might give it a go but I don't get paid 'til Friday and I'm currently skint.

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