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Post by Curlsformygirl on Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:23 pm



I’ve been lurking around other Michael Jackson fan boards lately where death hoax investigators are a minority and the prevailing opinion is that we are all paranoid footloops that are looking too deeply into things and we should just let it go and let him rest in peace. And I began thinking why can’t I do that? Because it doesn’t make anything make more sense that’s why.

I mean for the purposes of this post let’s go with that premise that Michael did indeed die on June 25th what does that do to the case?

First off it makes everybody in this scenario an idiot including Michael himself. Okay so he is embarking on his comeback tour and he is under stress from preparing for this, possibly upset that he now has to do 50 concerts instead of the original 10 he wanted, and maybe a bit insecure about how the fans will react to him after being gone from the concert scene for a decade and starts to have trouble sleeping. So Mr. holistic lifestyle who eats organic foods, who thinks we should be careful about what we put in our bodies, and who admitted to having an addiction to painkillers in 1993 so he knows the dangers of overusing prescription drugs decides the best way to deal with this is to start taking Propofol. A drug that is known to cause amnesia effects in people which is really good for someone who supposed to remember several dance routines and song lyrics. Also he is going to keep this drug and empty bottles of it stashed in his house where his young children might find it. Now according to Arnold Klein Michael had used Propofol before during the HIStory tour under an anaesthesiologist so who does Michael decide should be the one to administer this drug and monitor him to make sure everything is safe while he is under this time? Dr. Conrad Murray.

Dr. Murray is a cardiologist not an anaesthesiologist and apparently doesn’t know how to properly administer Propofol because he was calling Klein to learn how to do it, but despite this inexperience he decides that the big paycheque (from a guy who was supposed to be broke strange that) is too good to pass up after all what could possibly go wrong?

Well on June 25th something does go wrong and more people join the idiot line-up. Murray gives Michael Propofol wanders outside to go use the bathroom comes back to find him not breathing, but with a weak pulse and starts doing CPR. Okay so a licensed cardiologist doesn’t know that you don’t give CPR to a person with a pulse and also is doing this CPR with one hand (useless!) and on a bed, even more than useless! When this does nothing 911 gets called and another moron picks up. Our professional 911 operator is told that the patient is not breathing and they are trying to pump him. He does not immediately ask if the patient has a pulse because again if he does he should tell them to stop pumping him and perform artificial respiration only. Then the operator when informed that there is a doctor on scene tells the caller the doctor has more authority than him, the paramedics are on their way, and hangs up. Great! So if anything else went wrong with the patient between the phone call and the paramedic’s arrival the paramedics don’t know about it.

Well the paramedics arrive and work on him for almost an hour and decide to take him to the hospital. The ambulance driver decides that quickest way to get the patient there is to back out of the gates as slowly as possible rather than circling around the driveway so he/she go out on the street facing forward. Oh and to do all this backing out without the siren on so people will know that we have a life-threatening emergency going on! All right so we get to the hospital and rush-I mean slowly move the stretcher into emergency with no IV line, and the paramedics apparently doing no work on the patient. The hospital continues to work on Michael for another hour, but are unable to save him and at 2:26pm he is declared dead.



The world is notified and the grieving starts and the family and friends of Michael proceed to…act like a bunch of assholes. I don’t mean that they aren’t grieving hard enough I mean that Joe goes out to promote his record label Jermaine seems to be trying to suck up any rays of fame he can from this event. Latoya says his death was the result of foul play and instead of going to the police apparently helps the rest of the family take carloads of items out of Michael’s home thoroughly disrupting the crime scene. Klein and Mark Lester come out to say they might be the fathers of Michael’s kids, Karen Faye puts weird posts up about him on her facebook, and Mac and Liz have nothing to say at all. The family invites Kenny Ortega to the funeral and have the This is it dancers as ushers, why would you do that if they were part of the problem that lead Michael to his death?



Finally if go with the situation that Michael truly left the world last summer, well what situation do we use? According to the tribute to Michael in the Hello magazine I got in early July the story was that Michael seemed to have a great performance the night before spent time playing with his kids afterwards and called Katherine so the kids could talk to their grandmother. Then Michael went to bed, but had difficulty sleeping that night and had taken a tranquilizer to relax got up the next day to get ready for the rehearsals that were supposed to take place in the morning and then suddenly collapsed. Those who witnessed it thought he was joking, but eventually figured out something was really wrong called 911 he was rushed to the hospital and unfortunately they were unable to save him.



Then the story was that the rehearsal apparently went until midnight on June 24th. Okay so obviously Michael didn’t spend the last hours of that night with his kids because they would have been in bed at that time nor did he call Katherine, why would you call the kids’ grandma at 1 am? Also he didn’t sleep at all and Murray gave him all kinds of drugs that night trying to help (and yet somehow Murray doesn’t know the exact address of the house he is doing this at? Even though he has supposedly done this before?) until around 10am on June 25th when he gave in to Michael’s demands for Propofol. Who bothers trying to sleep at 10 am when there are young kids at home and rehearsals later the same day? There is supposedly video footage of the dancers being told that Michael died so obviously they were already at the Staples Centre waiting for him. So let’s say Murray injects Michael at 10 am and rehearsals start at 2pm, what meaningful sleep is going to be had in four hours at best?





Now the story has changed yet again because Murray’s girlfriend says he was on the phone to her when he found Michael in distress dropped the phone and began doing CPR. Okay so now instead of Murray finding Michael not breathing making a bunch of phone calls and then doing CPR/looking for help he injected Michael went to the bathroom or whatever stayed there for an hour or two then came back to find Michael not breathing. Oh well that just makes it all better! [/sarcasm] Why has this man not been arrested yet?



And this doesn’t even scratch the surface of all the other things that keep changing. We’ve heard that Michael was a tired druggie controlled by everyone, forced to do those concerts. Well that’s not what showed up on the rehearsal footage in This Is It. He was in a coma when he arrived at UCLA and died there versus they were never able to re-establish a pulse. He looked like he was sleeping, his face had been battered by CPR. He was warm he was cold, the paramedics didn’t recognize him and yet the photo of him in the ambulance clearly shows this is Michael Jackson. Prince saw him collapse in the living room, he collapsed in Murray’s room, he never woke up at all, and on and on it goes.



To conclude Michael being dead doesn’t change the fact that this whole fiasco is weird as hell. Something is going on here there is no other logical conclusion to draw from this anymore, and if that something turns out to still involve Michael being dead then I can be comfortable in the fact that I didn’t just go along with what the media told me I questioned, I researched and I came to my own conclusions. I came to have a better understanding of Michael as a person and a desire to carry his message to the world forward and I don’t think that’s disrespectful to Michael’s memory in any way.


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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by ONESTEPCLOSER on Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:26 pm

I have all the same reasons as you do, for why I believe. I just feel blessed that my eyes are open and not closed like some of the people who only believe what the media potray.
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by mjssoulmate on Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:32 pm

All this weirdness certainly has all the makings of a movie. A spoof perhaps?

BTW. Welcome to the forum!
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by ONESTEPCLOSER on Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:42 pm

yuuup Wink
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by deedee75 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:47 pm

what i don't understand about his so called "true fan" is why they are not question his death they cause us crazy and out of touch but yet we see all the mistake that has been made in his case
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by ONESTEPCLOSER on Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:55 pm

deedee75 wrote:what i don't understand about his so called "true fan" is why they are not question his death they cause us crazy and out of touch but yet we see all the mistake that has been made in his case

i know, me too. i suppose the conclusion ive came to is that some of them ignore it because people say elvis faked his death too. dunno its weird :-/ x
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by Zen on Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:01 pm

Hi group. I am also new to this forum but have been reading as much as possible. I also cannot let this go and
decided to join this group because I have found you all to be very credible and brave on this mission for the truth.

This many people cannot be wrong with their intuition..heck, everyone I talk to feels the same way. We just need
to find that ONE person who will not play games or drop hints...that ONE person who gets on a pc anonymously
from somewhere in the world and TELLS us the truth. It may not be the news we wish to hear, but either way, I
think we will recognize that TRUTH when we hear it.

Thank you all for the research you have provided and I hope to participate with thoughts of my own.
-Zen
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by mjgirl86 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:06 pm

Hi Zen!

And I agree with you!! Welcome to the fam!

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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by neverlandprincess on Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:27 pm

Alright! Welcome-it sounds like you have been harrassed for your conclussions maybe?
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by shasta2001 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:31 pm

Curlsformygirl wrote:

I’ve been lurking around other Michael Jackson fan boards lately where death hoax investigators are a minority and the prevailing opinion is that we are all paranoid footloops that are looking too deeply into things and we should just let it go and let him rest in peace. And I began thinking why can’t I do that? Because it doesn’t make anything make more sense that’s why.

I mean for the purposes of this post let’s go with that premise that Michael did indeed die on June 25th what does that do to the case?

First off it makes everybody in this scenario an idiot including Michael himself. Okay so he is embarking on his comeback tour and he is under stress from preparing for this, possibly upset that he now has to do 50 concerts instead of the original 10 he wanted, and maybe a bit insecure about how the fans will react to him after being gone from the concert scene for a decade and starts to have trouble sleeping. So Mr. holistic lifestyle who eats organic foods, who thinks we should be careful about what we put in our bodies, and who admitted to having an addiction to painkillers in 1993 so he knows the dangers of overusing prescription drugs decides the best way to deal with this is to start taking Propofol. A drug that is known to cause amnesia effects in people which is really good for someone who supposed to remember several dance routines and song lyrics. Also he is going to keep this drug and empty bottles of it stashed in his house where his young children might find it. Now according to Arnold Klein Michael had used Propofol before during the HIStory tour under an anaesthesiologist so who does Michael decide should be the one to administer this drug and monitor him to make sure everything is safe while he is under this time? Dr. Conrad Murray.

Dr. Murray is a cardiologist not an anaesthesiologist and apparently doesn’t know how to properly administer Propofol because he was calling Klein to learn how to do it, but despite this inexperience he decides that the big paycheque (from a guy who was supposed to be broke strange that) is too good to pass up after all what could possibly go wrong?

Well on June 25th something does go wrong and more people join the idiot line-up. Murray gives Michael Propofol wanders outside to go use the bathroom comes back to find him not breathing, but with a weak pulse and starts doing CPR. Okay so a licensed cardiologist doesn’t know that you don’t give CPR to a person with a pulse and also is doing this CPR with one hand (useless!) and on a bed, even more than useless! When this does nothing 911 gets called and another moron picks up. Our professional 911 operator is told that the patient is not breathing and they are trying to pump him. He does not immediately ask if the patient has a pulse because again if he does he should tell them to stop pumping him and perform artificial respiration only. Then the operator when informed that there is a doctor on scene tells the caller the doctor has more authority than him, the paramedics are on their way, and hangs up. Great! So if anything else went wrong with the patient between the phone call and the paramedic’s arrival the paramedics don’t know about it.

Well the paramedics arrive and work on him for almost an hour and decide to take him to the hospital. The ambulance driver decides that quickest way to get the patient there is to back out of the gates as slowly as possible rather than circling around the driveway so he/she go out on the street facing forward. Oh and to do all this backing out without the siren on so people will know that we have a life-threatening emergency going on! All right so we get to the hospital and rush-I mean slowly move the stretcher into emergency with no IV line, and the paramedics apparently doing no work on the patient. The hospital continues to work on Michael for another hour, but are unable to save him and at 2:26pm he is declared dead.



The world is notified and the grieving starts and the family and friends of Michael proceed to…act like a bunch of assholes. I don’t mean that they aren’t grieving hard enough I mean that Joe goes out to promote his record label Jermaine seems to be trying to suck up any rays of fame he can from this event. Latoya says his death was the result of foul play and instead of going to the police apparently helps the rest of the family take carloads of items out of Michael’s home thoroughly disrupting the crime scene. Klein and Mark Lester come out to say they might be the fathers of Michael’s kids, Karen Faye puts weird posts up about him on her facebook, and Mac and Liz have nothing to say at all. The family invites Kenny Ortega to the funeral and have the This is it dancers as ushers, why would you do that if they were part of the problem that lead Michael to his death?



Finally if go with the situation that Michael truly left the world last summer, well what situation do we use? According to the tribute to Michael in the Hello magazine I got in early July the story was that Michael seemed to have a great performance the night before spent time playing with his kids afterwards and called Katherine so the kids could talk to their grandmother. Then Michael went to bed, but had difficulty sleeping that night and had taken a tranquilizer to relax got up the next day to get ready for the rehearsals that were supposed to take place in the morning and then suddenly collapsed. Those who witnessed it thought he was joking, but eventually figured out something was really wrong called 911 he was rushed to the hospital and unfortunately they were unable to save him.



Then the story was that the rehearsal apparently went until midnight on June 24th. Okay so obviously Michael didn’t spend the last hours of that night with his kids because they would have been in bed at that time nor did he call Katherine, why would you call the kids’ grandma at 1 am? Also he didn’t sleep at all and Murray gave him all kinds of drugs that night trying to help (and yet somehow Murray doesn’t know the exact address of the house he is doing this at? Even though he has supposedly done this before?) until around 10am on June 25th when he gave in to Michael’s demands for Propofol. Who bothers trying to sleep at 10 am when there are young kids at home and rehearsals later the same day? There is supposedly video footage of the dancers being told that Michael died so obviously they were already at the Staples Centre waiting for him. So let’s say Murray injects Michael at 10 am and rehearsals start at 2pm, what meaningful sleep is going to be had in four hours at best?





Now the story has changed yet again because Murray’s girlfriend says he was on the phone to her when he found Michael in distress dropped the phone and began doing CPR. Okay so now instead of Murray finding Michael not breathing making a bunch of phone calls and then doing CPR/looking for help he injected Michael went to the bathroom or whatever stayed there for an hour or two then came back to find Michael not breathing. Oh well that just makes it all better! [/sarcasm] Why has this man not been arrested yet?



And this doesn’t even scratch the surface of all the other things that keep changing. We’ve heard that Michael was a tired druggie controlled by everyone, forced to do those concerts. Well that’s not what showed up on the rehearsal footage in This Is It. He was in a coma when he arrived at UCLA and died there versus they were never able to re-establish a pulse. He looked like he was sleeping, his face had been battered by CPR. He was warm he was cold, the paramedics didn’t recognize him and yet the photo of him in the ambulance clearly shows this is Michael Jackson. Prince saw him collapse in the living room, he collapsed in Murray’s room, he never woke up at all, and on and on it goes.



To conclude Michael being dead doesn’t change the fact that this whole fiasco is weird as hell. Something is going on here there is no other logical conclusion to draw from this anymore, and if that something turns out to still involve Michael being dead then I can be comfortable in the fact that I didn’t just go along with what the media told me I questioned, I researched and I came to my own conclusions. I came to have a better understanding of Michael as a person and a desire to carry his message to the world forward and I don’t think that’s disrespectful to Michael’s memory in any way.



This entire thing is ridiculous, none of fits together.If it did, we would not be here.
It is one weird story after another. I love your synopsis. I have a few friends that need to read it!
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by Curlsformygirl on Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:07 am

neverlandprincess wrote:Alright! Welcome-it sounds like you have been harrassed for your conclussions maybe?


Not myself specifically, but I have been trying to look at this whole mess with fresh eyes and hoping perhaps ‘unbelievers’ could give fresh insight into things I had overlooked maybe explain some piece of evidence that would make the events of June 25th and after make sense. Instead all there is in those threads asking whether he might be alive are people saying we are disrespecting Michael’s memory, why because we aren’t taking everything the media tells us as factual just like he told us we shouldn’t? And that we are picking everything over with a fine-toothed so much that we see clues where there really are no clues and maybe in some ways we are. Maybe it’s a giant coincidence that Michael chose “Gilda” for the movie clip in Smooth Criminal, maybe the photographer really did get the one in a million shot of Michael in the back of the ambulance and there’s no photoshop involved, maybe there is a perfectly good reason why the body looks like it’s trying to wiggle out of the black strap in the helicopter, but there are many things, like those I brought up in my opening post, that don’t require a fine-toothed comb to see that something is rotten in Denmark. It’s right there in the voice recording that the 911 operator broke procedure by hanging up before the paramedics arrived. It’s on video that the ambulance is backing up slowly onto the street and doesn’t have the siren on. (What are the odds that Michael pissed off karma so much that everyone involved in trying to save his life that day were apparently at their first week on the job?) It’s right there in black and white that the original story we were given about Michael’s death bares no resemblance to the story we have now, why is that? No one outside of hoax investigators it seems cares about finding the answer.
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:35 am

Very well thought out post! I am in complete agreement with you. Smile
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by carelesslove46 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:50 am

This particular celebrity death is the biggest 'cluster f**k' in history to my way of thinking...You have summarised everything excellently..Seeing all the information there together in the one place has convinced me that if Michael did infact die then there are a lot of people who clearly were not doing their jobs properly that day..
I too have been visiting some of the other fan forums...These fans know no different...They have just accepted all that has been told to them..We know better dont we...The truth is out there and we WILL find it...
Peace..xx
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by EarthAngel90 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:06 am

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:Very well thought out post! I am in complete agreement with you. Smile

Ditto ...
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by anotherpartofme on Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:56 am

EarthAngel90 wrote:
ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:Very well thought out post! I am in complete agreement with you. Smile

Ditto ...

Same here... Welcome
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by Confused on Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:29 am

You described the chaos that we've been confronted with the past months perfectly. The story they've given us is too ridicilous to believe. I'm with you that he may have died..but if he did then everybody has acted totally disgraceful during this whole ordeal. We're supposed to believe Michael was killed but his family just goes on like nothing happened?? Haven't we all seen how people react when someone in their family is murdered..they want to know the truth...NOW. But these guys just keep giving interviews and traveling the world or twittering about the supposed crime. What is that about? Have you ever seen a reaction like that. What about going to the police and screaming your lungs out. This Karen Faye person..she acts like Facebook is the police station. Is there no normal person around the Jacksons that feels that if a murder took place the police is where you would want to be at..or if you give interviews they should all be about the case and not about movies,reality shows etc.

Drives me mad..Anyway welcome to our forum!
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by Do on Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:21 am

Curlsformygirl, very good post, I agree with you 100%. That's why we can't and will not let go!!
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by StayTuned on Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:37 am

My husband gives me the blues about MJ, but I just tell him to moonwalk the hell away from me! Or he's gonna see butterflies!
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by neverlandprincess on Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:58 pm

Curlsformygirl wrote:
neverlandprincess wrote:Alright! Welcome-it sounds like you have been harrassed for your conclussions maybe?


Not myself specifically, but I have been trying to look at this whole mess with fresh eyes and hoping perhaps ‘unbelievers’ could give fresh insight into things I had overlooked maybe explain some piece of evidence that would make the events of June 25th and after make sense. Instead all there is in those threads asking whether he might be alive are people saying we are disrespecting Michael’s memory, why because we aren’t taking everything the media tells us as factual just like he told us we shouldn’t? And that we are picking everything over with a fine-toothed so much that we see clues where there really are no clues and maybe in some ways we are. Maybe it’s a giant coincidence that Michael chose “Gilda” for the movie clip in Smooth Criminal, maybe the photographer really did get the one in a million shot of Michael in the back of the ambulance and there’s no photoshop involved, maybe there is a perfectly good reason why the body looks like it’s trying to wiggle out of the black strap in the helicopter, but there are many things, like those I brought up in my opening post, that don’t require a fine-toothed comb to see that something is rotten in Denmark. It’s right there in the voice recording that the 911 operator broke procedure by hanging up before the paramedics arrived. It’s on video that the ambulance is backing up slowly onto the street and doesn’t have the siren on. (What are the odds that Michael pissed off karma so much that everyone involved in trying to save his life that day were apparently at their first week on the job?) It’s right there in black and white that the original story we were given about Michael’s death bares no resemblance to the story we have now, why is that? No one outside of hoax investigators it seems cares about finding the answer.

Thats true-I have friends on FB who are soley my friends because of MJ and believing he is alive. One of them just recently started REALLY looking into it I think . She got so bomabared last week with comments on a video she had posted-it was so so horrible. Telling her she was building up false hope-she was dis respecting Michael and his kids etc. I think se may have been hurt-she re wrote her status to say "Please don't disrespect me because we have differant opinions." I wrote her some encouragement. There seems to be a divide among some fans (and I say SOME) like a contest who is the TRUE MJ fan-believer or non believer...I think it is a stupid sentiment to have personally.
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by Styloprincess on Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:07 am

great post...and I completly agree with you
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by beachgirl on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:43 pm

Good post.
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by SPAKKLE29FUL on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:03 pm

IF they said he had just had a heart attack it would have been easier for me to believe but every day since the 25th there has been one drama after another,this has to be the most bizzare death i have ever come across.there does not appear to be a police investgation all i can see are greedy people making claims against the estate.the doc admits giving him propofol,why is he not in prison, 3 funerals ,numerous claims against the estate,family acting strange,kenny o and co acting stranger.there are to many clues telling me hoax. ps i cant let go cos the lkl blog is pure comedy lol im here to the bitter end
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Re: Why I can’t let it go

Post by icebluestarlight on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:33 pm

Do you think anyone has told the LAPD about this? Maybe they should be following our investigations as they seem to be pretty crap at it themselves. If this is a hoax he is going to have to put a stop to it soon as it is getting totally out of hand now. The thing that does worry me though is Michael would never allow his songs to be used on compilation albums - all of a sudden guess what - Human Nature is on a mixed artist compilation album . Bit worrying - if he is alive would he do that??
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