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Post by mjboogie on Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:32 pm

Guys the missing security tapes saga i believe is a huge clue to this whole hoax. Ok we all need to do some serious research on this topic. First off,do we know that there were any security tapes at all at the mansion? Well I know MJ had a high tech security system on his mansion but.... correct me if i am wrong but i thought i heard Latoya start the whole thing about the security tapes, missing jewelry, and money in the home? I thought i saw someone interview her regarding those things. Also I myself witnessed Geraldo conducting a segment on his show addressing the tapes at MJ's mansion missing. Geraldo had a high tech security installation service on his segment talking about different types of security systems and how they have to be disarmed and so forth or erased or whatever. Because Geraldo also was curious about the tapes. I know Geraldo covered this feel free to research this and if anyone finds the footage of this or anything else that will help us understand about the missing tapes feel free to post. Thanks!
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Post by Ibelieve8 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:38 pm

If it was high tech, then it wouldn't even be on tapes. That's extremely old school. Some of them run on computers that back them up to hard drives, dvds, and some on an online database. Someone who owns a restaurant I know, can look at his security videos from anywhere that has an internet connection all he needs is log in information. I think the first clue is to find out who Michael contracted out his security with and what kind of system used. I know we have some computer geniuses on here that can hack. I'm sure it may even been in the list of creditors looking to get paid by the estate? Does anyone know how long he had been living there?
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Post by mjboogie on Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:44 pm

Great lets start there! I need my MJ tech people the Geeeeek squad! Lets go. No, but seriously you are right, start with the company that MJ contracted out for 100 Carolwood drive right? Or would we have to search under AEG because wasnt aeg renting out the mansion for MJ? would they be the one who contracted out the security company? Also definitley what type of system MJ had on the house would help us out. Anybody live in L.A.? with connections........... Lets Go MJ LOVERS! Its all for L.O.V.E.!!!!
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Post by Ibelieve8 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:48 pm

Is there anyway we can get to the realtor of the place? isn't it already being rented out again? If AEG was renting it for MJ, they probably would've hired the security. Anything in the TII credits? They mention everything else, why not security? Free advertising...
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Post by Ibelieve8 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:02 am

Ok.. quick googling has led me to this.. not that the national inquirer is a great source, but there were cameras inside and out, and they were stored on the computer.. missing pieces and the police have all of the computers from the house.

My opinion--- missing pieces of the videos could've been deleted by Janet and LaToya when they went through all of MJ's stuff before the police got to them.

Do you know anything about this black case they are talking about?
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Post by Christiana on Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:27 am

I've spent a lot of time researching this, and I'm sure I'll spend more. At various times, I have read that the security cameras/system were installed with the previous owner of the house. I have never found any concrete proof that any security "tapes" (though I agree, it would not likely be on tapes) actually went missing. I'm not sure if it will be really easy to find out the details of the security company etc. I've looked for that info so many times. But I'll keep hunting.
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Post by Ibelieve8 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:36 am

I wish we had some sort of statement for LAPD. Just some information.. They have been so quiet about the whole thing. You would think with all the money, someone would take a bribe to leak info to somebody!
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:47 am

I agree the security footage is key. I wish we knew for sure who had it, or if it even exists anymore. I can't imagine MJ wouldn't have serious security for his home. Neverland was crazy secure. The owner of the home is Herbert Guez...not sure if the home is up for lease or sale again.

I wonder if someone called the LAPD, like that fan did a few weeks ago... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjmixJXUw90&feature=player_embedded ...if they would answer any specific questions.
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Post by Ibelieve8 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:49 am

Who sounds like a reporter? we could put together a line of questions to see if they would answer....
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Post by zeus on Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:49 am

IF THE POLICE HAVE THE SECURITY COMPUTERS .THEY CAN STILL RETREIVE DELETED INFORMATION.THEY HAVE THE SOFTWARE.BUT IS VERY VERY STRANGE THE "TOP COP" RESIGN SO SOON.HE DONE HIS "JOB".TOOK THE MONEY AND RAN HAHA.I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE THAT HIS WIFE HAS CONNECTXTIONS WITH THE ADL??
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Post by Ibelieve8 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:01 pm

What's ADL?
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Post by MJhunny on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:10 pm

ADL Anti Defamation League
chief Bratton is married to jewish attorney Rikki Kliemann who
is also a co-anchor on court tv
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Post by Thetruth on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:11 pm

He didint have a camera in his bedroom where the tradic happened althought it was stated that he did have security tapes outside the house and in some of the major rooms. However the security tapes together with the 2 million $ went missing, it is very fishy and something I had thought about since day one.
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Post by amber on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:14 pm

Ibelieve8 wrote:Who sounds like a reporter? we could put together a line of questions to see if they would answer....
great idea, would be interested to see how LAPD answer if at all
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Post by lisap27 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:16 pm

i think he would definatly have security video cameras!!

you know how protective he was with his kids!! so i'm pretty sure everything
would have been under 24hr servailence..

he trusted very few people an think this probably goes with his staff too..

as so many people have betrayed him in the past.. even his closet friends / family

he'd definatly be on the ball with this..

although he didn't have them in the bedroom it would rule out the other stories about
prince an the other supposed events of that day.. etc

so keep searching guys.. i'd help but i dunno where to start!!
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Post by Ibelieve8 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:21 pm

Thanks MJhunny!

Isn't there supposed to be a black case missing too? It 'supposedly' had a secret drug stash, IV stuff, maybe money in it too. IDK who or what to believe in the news articles.

So-- If there weren't any in the room, there has to some in the hallways or outside his room. I read at Neverland he even had an alarm that would go off if you approached his room.

The LAPD are hiding this footage.. or The chief took them with him.
He did just start his own security firm. Wonder who he is working for?
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Post by hesouttamylife on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:32 pm

Michael took his stuff with him. Including his masters. Latoya should really get a grip and chill. She really does talk TOO much.
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Post by MJhunny on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:44 pm

quote from an article :

Bratton, 61, who leaves with more than three years remaining in his second term, will become the chief executive of a newly formed subsidiary of Altegrity, a company with a significant presence in a secretive industry that provides businesses and government agencies with intelligence-gathering and other investigative services. Bratton’s group, called Altegrity Security Consulting, will focus on working with local governments internationally and in the U.S. to help build and improve police forces, said Michael Cherkasky, the head of Altegrity
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Post by hesouttamylife on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:55 pm

MJhunny wrote:quote from an article :

Bratton, 61, who leaves with more than three years remaining in his second term, will become the chief executive of a newly formed subsidiary of Altegrity, a company with a significant presence in a secretive industry that provides businesses and government agencies with intelligence-gathering and other investigative services. Bratton’s group, called Altegrity Security Consulting, will focus on working with local governments internationally and in the U.S. to help build and improve police forces, said Michael Cherkasky, the head of Altegrity

NEWLY FORMED Intelligence-gathering and other investigative services,..will work with local governments internationally and in the U.S. to help build and improve police forces.

Perhaps there was no market for this particular type of service until this happened to Michael. Perfect timing?
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Post by MJFOREVER on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:58 pm

Wasnt that just a rumour??
With the videotapes?, i mean tmz or i dont know what website said it in a article but nobody mad a big deal out if it so just some attentionseekers or was it real???
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Post by Thetruth on Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:01 pm

MJFOREVER wrote:Wasnt that just a rumour??
With the videotapes?, i mean tmz or i dont know what website said it in a article but nobody mad a big deal out if it so just some attentionseekers or was it real???

There were cameras in the house for security reason everyone in Beverly Hills have that, but the rest is something the media have rolled on so...
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Post by Gema on Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:10 pm

I am suspicious about those tapes...still no leak of them...those tapes surely are worth a lot of money....
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Post by Kirsche on Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:47 pm

maybe the family took the tapes with them, when they were at MJ's house before the police was there...but anyway the police has to ask about security tapes, hasn't they?
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Post by zeus on Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:14 pm

somethings funny is going around here. missing money-gold-video footage-m.j diary-personal notes.WHO HAS THEM.the media is blaming la toyla but i don't buy it.It's to convenient .where ever i see m.j l see the presence of people of jewish background.we need to look into that a lot deeper.
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:19 pm

maybe one of the neighbors has to have something on their cameras .... wait a minute ... I though when someone dies ... you can't take anything out of their home .. because it is automatic evidence ... IDK anymore ...
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Post by Kirsche on Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:25 pm

[quote="EarthAngel90"]maybe one of the neighbors has to have something on their cameras .... wait a minute ... I though when someone dies ... you can't take anything out of their home .. because it is automatic evidence ... IDK anymore ...[/quote


not until it's a homicide, I thinK?


When was the police at the house and when came out that is was a homicide?
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Post by zeus on Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:32 pm

if police ruled his death homecide then his house becomes a crime scene.l do not get it.did m.j die home or at the hospital.l have read that when the ambulance arrived he was dead-almost dead-dead for a while.Why where the paramedics still working on him if he was gone already.That liar Dileo said they where working on him in the hospital but failed.whats happening here.where did he die???It looks like the powers that be surf websites like these to cover up their mistakes.
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Post by Kirsche on Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:34 pm

zeus wrote:if police ruled his death homecide then his house becomes a crime scene.l do not get it.did m.j die home or at the hospital.l have read that when the ambulance arrived he was dead-almost dead-dead for a while.Why where the paramedics still working on him if he was gone already.That liar Dileo said they where working on him in the hospital but failed.whats happening here.where did he die???It looks like the powers that be surf websites like these to cover up their mistakes.

I also read that he was died at home...But the paramedics still worked on him because murray wanted them to do that
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:34 am

zeus wrote:somethings funny is going around here. missing money-gold-video footage-m.j diary-personal notes.WHO HAS THEM.the media is blaming la toyla but i don't buy it.It's to convenient .where ever i see m.j l see the presence of people of jewish background.we need to look into that a lot deeper.

What do you mean by that?
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Post by Gema on Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:08 am

Kirsche wrote:
zeus wrote:if police ruled his death homecide then his house becomes a crime scene.l do not get it.did m.j die home or at the hospital.l have read that when the ambulance arrived he was dead-almost dead-dead for a while.Why where the paramedics still working on him if he was gone already.That liar Dileo said they where working on him in the hospital but failed.whats happening here.where did he die???It looks like the powers that be surf websites like these to cover up their mistakes.

I also read that he was died at home...But the paramedics still worked on him because murray wanted them to do that

I am not awared of the law lagoons in USA but when someone dies AT HOME a forensic Doctor must state the death time and sign the document ( death cartificate ) BEFORE the corps can leave the property. Also the forensic Doctor must go to the home to confirm the death.

To me is pretty ridiculous that Latoya signs the death certificate. Is she a forensic Doctor who was at the home then?

Also, If MJ died AT THE HOSPITAL must be a Doctor signing his death.

I never heard of a family member making a certified document stating someone is dead, as well as I can´t see any doctor license number or name signing the death certificate.

Also a death certificate is filed the same day of the death, as well as get the date of the death stamped, not weeks later...here is written the date of the death and is stamped as July 7th the registration.....I am sooo confused!

Have I miss something? maybe I saw the wrong death certificate?
Please enlight me!!

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Post by zeus on Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:19 am

Gema wrote:
Kirsche wrote:
zeus wrote:if police ruled his death homecide then his house becomes a crime scene.l do not get it.did m.j die home or at the hospital.l have read that when the ambulance arrived he was dead-almost dead-dead for a while.Why where the paramedics still working on him if he was gone already.That liar Dileo said they where working on him in the hospital but failed.whats happening here.where did he die???It looks like the powers that be surf websites like these to cover up their mistakes.

I also read that he was died at home...But the paramedics still worked on him because murray wanted them to do that

I am not awared of the law lagoons in USA but when someone dies AT HOME a forensic Doctor must state the death time and sign the document ( death cartificate ) BEFORE the corps can leave the property. Also the forensic Doctor must go to the home to confirm the death.

To me is pretty ridiculous that Latoya signs the death certificate. Is she a forensic Doctor who was at the home then?

Also, If MJ died AT THE HOSPITAL must be a Doctor signing his death.

I never heard of a family member making a certified document stating someone is dead, as well as I can´t see any doctor license number or name signing the death certificate.

Also a death certificate is filed the same day of the death, as well as get the date of the death stamped, not weeks later...here is written the date of the death and is stamped as July 7th the registration.....I am sooo confused!

Have I miss something? maybe I saw the wrong death certificate?
Please enlight me!!

LIES-LIES EVERYWHERE.THE AMBULANCE FOTO SHOWS HIM WITH A PERFECT HEAD SHOT.NO DAMAGE TO HIS FACE DUE TO CPR,BUT NO OPEN CASKET AT HIS FUNERAL BECAUSE THERE WAS DAMAGE TO HIS FACE.I DONT GET IT????
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Post by Gema on Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:19 am

And back to the security tapes.

about Latoya: If your brother dies at home and you think is a murder, how come that you can go in the home and take properties from it and stay 2 nights?

Tapes: should be a company, a security company handeling the surveilance of the home....if tapes are missing, some other database must exists!! otherwise what a Sh_ __y surveilance service!
In that case, give me the name of the company to not buy their services
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Post by Gema on Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:22 am

@ Zeus.

The pic of the ambulance is not real. Is a photoshop. I doubt any paparazzy would have been able to take that shot.
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Post by SPAKKLE29FUL on Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:27 am

i wanna know why there has been no leakage of the secruity tapes,there have been other leaks but not this one,there are always leaks
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Post by zeus on Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:32 am

Gema wrote:And back to the security tapes.

about Latoya: If your brother dies at home and you think is a murder, how come that you can go in the home and take properties from it and stay 2 nights?

Tapes: should be a company, a security company handeling the surveilance of the home....if tapes are missing, some other database must exists!! otherwise what a Sh_ __y surveilance service!
In that case, give me the name of the company to not buy their services
U ARE SPOT ON.THE CENTRAL DATA BASE SHOULD HAVE ALL THE FOOTAGE IN THEIR HARD DRIVES.I DO NOT THINK THEY STILL USE VIDEO TAPES NOWDAYS ,IT GOES IN THE COMPUTER.SO WHAT IS MISSING THE VIDEO TAPE OR THE WHOLE COMPUTER? WAS IT THE COPS-LA TOYA-SECURITY STAFF-MURRAY -WHO ELSE WAS THERE????
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Post by Gema on Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:39 am

And...do we know the name of the company handeling the surveilance of the area/ properties/ in house cameras?

In such an expensive area I expect them to have more and better security than that! and beyond, Michael Jackson, a very wealthy man who was fearing for his life as shown in the tapes recorded by his spiritual consellor, was the one supose to be in that mansion....and then security tapes are just missing like that??

Give me a break....my intelligence feels sooo insulted when I think about it

We want the truth, I want the truth. Where is the justice? where?
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Post by SeldaKurt on Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:08 am

First of al I'm a hoax believer...

we have 3 options on the Security Footage;

1) This is realy happening and Michael is dead !!! The Security Footage should be taken away by LAPD or the Jacksons ( Janet & La Toya). If this is the case the LAPD will get the footage one or another way. Everybody knows the Jacksons were in the house after the HAPPENING.

2) This is all a part of the hoax and Michael left us so he will live a life whitout the FAME;
In this case Michael will have all the footage taken away. Just he did with the Pepsi footage. Nobody will get the footage.

3) This is all a part of a hoax and Michael is planning a major COME BACK;
In this case Michael will have all the footage taken away. Just he did with the Pepsi footage . Nobody will get to see the footage untill he wants us to see !!! After all it will be a major part in his magic act and will keep this for himself. After all no magician will tell the clue....it is MAGIC. But he will need it for just in case. You all know how it will work when he does his comeback... Think he will have to proof that he is MICAHEL JACKSON !!!
The footage is EVIDENCE !!!
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Post by MJFan47 on Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:14 am

I think of the last two options, because if Michael really be dead will probably already have something leaked
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Post by Gema on Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:32 am

Going with option 1, MJ is dead: then the security tapes will show who is responsible for his death if he has been murdered. Still, I can´t understand why or how those tapes can be missing. Some data should be somewhere, otherwise, what a crappy security service don´t you think?

Options 2 and 3: I think that if MJ wanted just to get away from public life, would have been just easier to leave for some time instead of creating more MEDIA attention.
5 and 1/2 month of MJ almost 24/7 in papers, news, youtube, tv channels, radio......that is not the way to get away from the media!!

I want da troot
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Post by canette on Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:48 am

I insist. when there is only one truth, there is no lie!
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Post by MJhunny on Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:53 am

http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-lapd-f55/chief-bratton-s-wife-t2334.htm?sid=e3d5529cb242b3e6617896d9de56ecd1 info on Bratton and his wife and her connection to MJ on this threa OP forum member Jade Jackson
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Post by Gema on Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:00 am

Thanks for the link!

I am more confused now, lol. I will need to read it all twice!
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Post by Red Velvet on Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:21 pm

zeus wrote:if police ruled his death homecide then his house becomes a crime scene.l do not get it.did m.j die home or at the hospital.l have read that when the ambulance arrived he was dead-almost dead-dead for a while.Why where the paramedics still working on him if he was gone already.That liar Dileo said they where working on him in the hospital but failed.whats happening here.where did he die???It looks like the powers that be surf websites like these to cover up their mistakes.
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Post by miss j on Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:04 pm

what i don't understand is, how can CPR damage one's face? they pump the chest right? and how that damaged the face?
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Post by zeus on Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:54 am

miss j wrote:what i don't understand is, how can CPR damage one's face? they pump the chest right? and how that damaged the face?

I think when they press on the chest,then they hold the nose and breath in the persons mouth.Does anyone know if michael died at home or at the hospital.I read that there was a fire alarm at the hospital.was that before or after michaels arrival?
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Post by icebluestarlight on Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:28 am

I work in the Security Industry and there would not be any tapes as now hard disc recorders are used with or without SD cards. Alternatively the recorder unit does not have to be at that location. You can monitor the cameras yourself from another location (live)and record (via the internet if you want ) or via a security monitoring centre. I doubt if MJ would have used the latter. But the information they need is the IP address from the cameras and passwords etc to access - this can also be watched in real time. If there was a recording device at the premises, either the full unit has been removed or the SD card. I would imagine though, that whilst you were in bed - you would not have the camera switched on in that area, (who in the hell wants to be recorded in bed? especially not celebrities)
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Post by marsheliamorgan on Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:36 am

Options 2 and 3: I think that if MJ wanted just to get away from public life, would have been just easier to leave for some time instead of creating more MEDIA attention.


ok,i see your point,but this is michael jackson,he was known the world over and then some,he couldnt or wouldnt have been able to JUST leave there was no where for him to go without fans,media etc. they didnt leave him alone in baharina,ireland etc. there were still pics of him in the press/media in his disguises etc. they NEVER let him be and never let him have any peace.fans,and etc. he was hounded all the time,no privacy he would have had to do somethig like this in my hones opinion.
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