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Post by raluka on Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:24 pm

The ambulance videos
intrigued me from the very beginning. After watching many hoax videos stating that the ambulance
videos were filmed at different times and even dates I decided to study them
myself again and again. I even posted on youtube a video trying to explain that
there was nothing wrong with the videos (gaining some angry posts from some
people as if I did smth extremely bad or insulted someone). Actually I was just
trying to analyze objectively some images refusing to think that EVERYTHING is
fake. (That doesn’t; mean I don’t believe that lot’s of things are strange, me I
was referring EXCLUSIVELY at the Ambulance videos). Obviously this videos of
the ambulance don’t allow me to find my peace so here it is what I discovered:


Check this link from
the beginning to min. 0:27 (check the people, clothes, hair)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltpHl1J9Vn8


then go to this link
and check from 1:50 to 2:00 (the same thing in people: hair, clothes ).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU



I don’t know if this
was discussed before but there are clearly 2 STARLINE BUSSES there. (also in
the first video there is a paper hanging in front of the bus, but in the second
the paper is missing). In my opinion the tourist bus in the Hollywood tv was
there when the ambulance arrived (because we see the ambulance getting IN and
the gates closing and the guy putting the cones on the road).


In the TOURIST video the
bus arrived probably at the time when the ambulance was leaving to the
hospital. (like this it is explained why the starline busdriver said they
arrived when the gates were opening and the ambulance leaving). First I was
confused thinking that it was the same bus (but why would a bus with people
would wait at least 30 min in front of the gates before even knowing it was MJ
having problems). Anyway, I was ready to jump from joy at the thought that this
was actually filmed at different times and dates when my hubby (who’s not involved
emotionally like me in this) told me to check Starline timetable. And….every ½ hour
there is a bus for the Beverly Hills area…so I said… again..another
coincidence..Until…and here I need your help.


Open this and pause at
0:04


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltpHl1J9Vn8


look at the right side
of the standing guy’s head and u can see that apparently is the back of a WHITE
PARKED VAN. Right? Or am I seeing things?


Then open this again and
pause at exactly 1:37. (pause until u
see Ben and the guy in red apparently opening a door or smth)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU



This 2 videos
APPARENTLY are filmed at the same time and date. Now if u look behind the RED
CAR, somewhere in between the red car and the tourist bas, my question is: THE
CAR in which Ben and the other apparently want to get in IS THE SAME with the
WHITE VAN from the previous video?? To me it does NOT look the same. It looks
more as a parking position and probably as color with the one here, in the same
video, at 1:53 (u can see only a small front part-; the ambulance we see now is
the first one I was talking about that probably left). So, as a conclusion,
there are 2 STARLINE buses, 2 different car parked at the same time of the
footage…IF I am right it’s written HOAX on them. HOPE I AM!!!


Ps sorry for the long
post and sorry if it was discussed before. I just discovered this and I am
overexcited!! Hope u understand what I meant and hope to get some answers…My
hubby insists that the cars are identical..Sad
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Post by me0101 on Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:41 pm

ok. i'll get back to you in a day. there's alot to review here!!!!
excellent work btw!
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Post by DarkYetLovely on Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:53 pm

I've recently been looking at these two videos as well since I heard somebody say they were different as well.

So after watching these parts over and over again this is what I see: If you pause the tour bus video at 0:06 you actually get a better look at the vehicle in front of the van. It looks like it has a cap on the back which made it look weird at 0:04, where it looks like a different vehicle entirely and like it's parked in a different position.

It also looked like it was totally white which had me going for a second because in the hollywood video... when the guy gets close to his vehicle to get in, it looks like there is definitely some black in the mix.
At 0:06, we see some black on the vehicle in front of the bus...

I'm disappointed, I was really hoping for this one 'cause it pretty much would've sealed the deal for me that this was planned.... but after watching and comparing the two videos, I conclude that they were done at the same time. That's just my opinion! Keep looking though.
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Post by raluka on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:04 pm

DarkYetLovely, u are right...I was actually watcnihg again for the 1000th time this videos. at the tour bus video at 0:06 u can see as well the wheel of the black car...and i checked better the hollywood video and at 1:37 it's visible, even in poor quality, the black car and some white color which could be the van...some time ago I made a syncro of the 2 videos trying to prove that they were filmed at the same time. tonight I thought that I was actually wrong..but..I feel disappointed as well...But this doesn't mean that the rest of the things are right. We have fake photos, fake memorial, fake death certificate, fake 911 call...see let's keep hope alive.
this is the ling with the synchronized version of the 2 videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/ralukaify
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Post by KNOWhesALIVE on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:07 pm

Hmm interesting vids...

Heres what i've found...

On vid 1: yes it is the same people on the tourbus.. Back to what i've found..
There is a white paper hanging in the window at the tourbus. The bus is parked beside the firetruck..

Vid 2: Still the same people.. BUT there is no paper in the window and now the bus is in front of the firetruck

Notice on vid 2 when the tourbus is in front of the firetruck (2:02) the tourbus is number 17 and the firetruck and the ambulance is number 71 ... It proberly doesn't mean any thing, but it's a bit strange anyway..

Vid 3 and 4.. I can't see any guy on vid 3 (0:06) and i can't see them opening any doors.. Sorry but i'm a bit tired
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Post by raluka on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:19 pm

KnowhesAlive, there are 2 busses with different people in them: in the starline video there is a man with with a white thisrt, 2 women with long hair on the left side of the bus, in the other video there are 2 ore 3 MEN that look nothing like the WOMEN in the other video. .That is very obvious.
I saw as well the nr. 17, indeed coincidence again.The door opening was at 1:37 not at 0:06. Better rest and check it another time.
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Post by KNOWhesALIVE on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:25 pm

Ha ha

Oh no i need to sleep ..

I didn't noticed the men and women thing since you can't see them clearly on vid 2.. Back to research after my nap
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Post by raluka on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:30 pm

KnowhesAlive, Have a good sleep. i'll restart my research tmrw morning as well
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Post by hesouttamylife on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:38 pm

good thing Michael wasn't really in there, lol. This could have turned disastrous. They rally should have had a script to follow, with everyone knowing their parts. It stand to reason that they would allow this to happen around the same time a tour bus was in the area. The more pictures the better for the story. However, has anyone seen any pictures taken by tourists? Just wondering.
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Post by hesouttamylife on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:39 pm

Or were they staged also?
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:05 pm

It seems to me that the first bus never left for the entire 42 minutes the ambulance was at the house. When Ben and Chris run to their car there seems to be another Tourline bus at the end of the street waiting. Could be that the started the tour on time and were stopped when they got to the house, so they just sat there.
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Post by raluka on Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:13 pm

The first bus LEFT because as I said in the fist post the people INSIDE the first bus are completely different from the second. The bus u see in the frame with Ben and Chris running to their car is opposite the fire truck NOT at the end of the street. Watch closely.
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:40 pm

That is the end of the street. The firetruck is facing the STOP sign. There is a bus at the end of that. Ben and Chris' car is kinda opposite the gate of the house.
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:50 pm

The bus that arrives as the gates are closing behind the ambulance does seem to have different people in it. I did see a paper though. What else I noticed was that the window to the firetruck is definitely closed, the same window the 911 screen was supposedly taken from. Did they open the window do someone could take a photo of the screen? Unlikely!
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Post by raluka on Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:07 pm

About the window..I don't know what to say...I'm not familiar with fire truck and ambulances in US since I don't live there...I cannot understand it it is closed or not...It just looks like there is some reflection on half of it and the other half is black...In the US the monitor with the 911 call details is in the fire truck? not in the ambulance? (again, sorry i have no idea about this). Another thing I just noticed is the different position of the cones in both videos. I contradicted myself with my hubby (he knows more stuff about cameras and angles etc) because he insists that everything is ok with the position of the cones (me I see only 2 in the tourist bus and 3 and at big distance in the hollywood tv version). He insists it's just the camera angle that makes it different..I don't know anymore...everything is so confusing..soon I 'll start counting trees and plants around the area...maybe they will tell the truth
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:20 pm

LOL. It can drive you crazy. There are so many vids out there trying to debunk the ambulance scene. I only know one thing for sure: The ambulance took its own sweet time to get out of that gate; slower than molasses. In fact, I didn't even question Michael's death until saw the ambulance coverage on TV. That's when I went WTF? This is not right. Something is going on here.

Also, I remember either the tourbus lady or Ben Evenstead saying that someone was yelling at the Paparazzi to get out of the way and "He's not breathing, he's not breathing!". I cannot hear that in any of the videos I have watched.
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Post by raluka on Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:38 pm

"The ambulance took its own sweet time to get out of that gate; slower than molasses"
Indeed there are so many version of the same thing that it can drive u crazy. It surely did me!! And me my hubby!! lol
sometimes I just have the feeling that from all sides we are being fed with info on purpose to create confusion...god knows why. i really hope this is Hoax and nothing else more serious...Anyway, i've had enough of this damn ambulance, i'll give it some rest till tomorrow Wink. Altough I'm still in doubt and not 100% sure about these amb videos..
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:44 pm

Get some rest!

KEEP THE FAITH!!!
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Post by raluka on Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:05 pm

Yes it's about time. It's 3 o'clock at night!! At least tmrw is Sunday. good night! to me at least. I'm off..bye
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Post by cinderella on Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:13 pm

my issue with the ambulance is the way the picture was taken looks as if his head is towards the door but you never put a person in the ambulance that way, I know FIRST HAND and they pulled him out feet first as if his feet were towards the door. The whole thing is really screwy.
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:17 pm

The photo was taken through the side window. So his head was toward front of ambulance; feet come out first.
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Post by Kirsche on Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:49 pm

it still screws me, that this photo has such a perfect quality even though the windows were tinted and the pap was movin fast...he just held up his arm and CLICK!
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