It takes two to tango - part 2

Part 1 is there also:
http://souza-mjhoaxdeath-themovietheory.blogspot.com/2009/11/in-our-last-theory-about-michael.html

souza your back

So far i follow!
But how did they pulled this of wen Michael and Mike were little?
How couldnt family etc know about this?
Did they all live with a secret al those years?
I have difficulty to believe that.
Greetings Mattie

Sorry for my English

my thoughts too-J5 and the girls known about but not a twin?

neverlandprincess wrote:my thoughts too-J5 and the girls known about but not a twin?

Thats what i mean!
They would have hide one child?
Than would not something leaked abbout it in al those years?Rumours abbout it??
Because they had neighbours in Gary i think?
And what abbout the press??wen they were the J5??
I can not see it!
Mattie

Please compare the height of MJ

ummm women wear heels of differant heights-especially super famous ones like these-you really can't judge height with him standing by women. I AM SORRY BUT MJ DID NOT HAVE A TWIN.

Ya those pictures are only different because of women wearing heels. That and in the younger ones, he could've still been growing

The queston is WHY? Why would the jackson hide any of their children?

mjssoulmate wrote:The queston is WHY? Why would the jackson hide any of their children?

Yes..That is what troubles me too??
If sombody can explain that??And how nobody knows about it all those years ??
Further..it would explain other things for me!
Mattie

about sometimes wearing a ring and sometimes not-and I thought he was married to LMP and seperated during the HIStory year-in differant concerts with History his weight is differant-in Heliniski he is very thin and earlier ones heavier-he could have not worn the ring for those reason-your hands get thinner you can lose ring easy.

Hi guys!

For me it's not the height, that's not so relevant I think. It's the ears, IF I cannot see the eyes. And you see differently shaped ears in the movie. The They Don't Care about Us Mike, with blue shirt over red shirt and jacket - the one we've seen in the leaked footage back in June for me is the Man. The Orange Pants is the one with bigger, more round years - it's the one I tought was not Mike in the beginning. His personality is so obviously different on stage, his presence is different. Also, I was just browsing pics on MJJpictures, because the Mike with bigger ears on Souza's post (the pic on the right) reminded me of the pics from the shooting of the Bad video. I went there and saw all of them and I cannot believe I never noticed the ears. I cannot believe I never saw different ears.

I saw the movie again last night, for the third time. I payed attention to ears. There are two MJs there. Did you guys see the lollipop Mike in red, behind the camera shooting Thriller I think? Did they both direct this movie?

Man, not in a million years would I have thought anything like this could be possible. It's been right in front of our eyes. And that is a lifetime, how on Earth do you live like this? I honestly don't know what to believe anynmore, but this is so 'in your face' and it's hard to just ignore.

I mean absolutely no disrespect in my posts and I hope that people reading them do not feel offended by what I'm writting.

Take care!

It unethical to deprive a child a life since he was a baby. They cant be planning MJs since young right?!?!?!

MJ has no twin, unless someone did plastic.

In two of the pictures (long string of pics above) 2 of them are from the same era. MJ is tall in one and shorter in the other.

I don't feel pic from 1978 counts because he might possibly could have had a final "spurt". He was 20 and u never know.

Women sometimes can go heelless also, if they, or the guy, for a certain occasion, may desire for the guy to appear taller than the woman, and then other times when the woman is in the mood for choosing her favorite pair of heels ... just a passing comment while passing through

I can't believe the twin-theory......Even if he looks different at some Pictures...remember, that MJ had so much plastic surgeries or curly hair, long hair or short hair, that he looked different almost every week.

Kirsche wrote:I can't believe the twin-theory......Even if he looks different at some Pictures...remember, that MJ had so much plastic surgeries or curly hair, long hair or short hair, that he looked different almost every week.

Agree. Totally. But do you think you can actually change ears that much? There are pics with bigger, more round ears and smaller, kind of pointy ears during all the eras, Bad, Dangerous, you name it...

IMHO Michael would not put on stage a double or impersonator, no matter how good or official they would be. I'm not thinking the movie, but in general. The stage is his special place, his refuge, his sacred place. If he’s not there, the only person he would allow there, to take his place for whatever reason, would be a twin, somebody he would completely trust, somebody who could deliver the same quality to the fans. I’m sure he used doubles or impersonators many times, we know that, but on stage I really don’t think he would allow it. The stage has always been too important for him. He’s always taken great pride in his performances, so if he can’t be there, only a twin could be there instead of him and still be him, sort of. Something like ‘Another Part of Me’ …. Hope you get what I’m trying to say. It makes sense. For me at least. I think .. kind of ...



I’m trying to sort out the feelings I’ve been having lately and it’s getting more and more complicated. Been browsing pictures like crazy, trying to figure things out. I guess it’s obvious they’ve always been there, in videos, in concerts, everywhere, they’ve taken turns all these years. And in the movie there are no doubles, it’s just the two of them.

[quote][earlier ones heavier/quote]

Anyone can weight though. I mean, the man is tall. Also, during certain seasons that when I wear rings it much loose during winter than in summer. So, that doesn't mean anything.

I am really having a hard time believing this twin theory. I know people name their children the same names but I just can't see Katherine naming both of her sons Michael. I am sorry you got convince me more with better proof.

ex_lurker wrote:

Kirsche wrote:I can't believe the twin-theory......Even if he looks different at some Pictures...remember, that MJ had so much plastic surgeries or curly hair, long hair or short hair, that he looked different almost every week.

Agree. Totally. But do you think you can actually change ears that much? There are pics with bigger, more round ears and smaller, kind of pointy ears during all the eras, Bad, Dangerous, you name it...

okay...but eben I have pictures, where my ears and my face look different to other...it could have a few reasons: the light, the angle, the cameras quality.. And just because somebody has twin, doesn't mean they have the same talent, you know what I mean? One twin could sing, but the other twin not, or if he could, not the same way as his twin, you know?

I just can't believe this theory, sorry

mjssoulmate wrote:The queston is WHY? Why would the jackson hide any of their children?

seriously! i do believe michael has quite a few doubles...and i'm not talking about navi (who coincidentally favors michael in no way whatsoever) or any of the well known ones. i'm sure he has doubles that have been taught his mannerisms, his speaking voice, and have probably even had surgery to look more like him. but i do not believe he had a twin. i can't grasp his family hiding him for all these 51 years. why would they even do that? in the event that michael would one day need to fake his death? anything is possible, but this is just EXTREMELY unlikely and improbable.

yaya,

I agree. I agree he had doubles or impersonators. This is ridiculous.

yaya wrote:

mjssoulmate wrote:The queston is WHY? Why would the jackson hide any of their children?

seriously! i do believe michael has quite a few doubles...and i'm not talking about navi (who coincidentally favors michael in no way whatsoever) or any of the well known ones. i'm sure he has doubles that have been taught his mannerisms, his speaking voice, and have probably even had surgery to look more like him. but i do not believe he had a twin. i can't grasp his family hiding him for all these 51 years. why would they even do that? in the event that michael would one day need to fake his death? anything is possible, but this is just EXTREMELY unlikely and improbable.

yes, I totally agree

I find it hard to believe that MJ has a twin brother... I do not know how the familie managed to hide a child for years...and most importantly why they to do this?

I don't believe in the 'twin' theory and I also do not believe there were any doubles in TII. I admit that prior to seeing the movie, I had my doubts but IMHO it was 100% Michael.

rowdyangel wrote:I don't believe in the 'twin' theory and I also do not believe there were any doubles in TII. I admit that prior to seeing the movie, I had my doubts but IMHO it was 100% Michael.

The only double in TII was the stuntman for the Smooth-Criminal movie. The one who slid down the stairs and crashed through the window

Now meet Ashton's Twin Brother:



His name? Michael...

That pic is of Ashton, not Michael. They are fraternal twins.

Twins are two offspring resulting from the same pregnancy, usually born
in close succession. They can be the same or different sex. Twins can
either be monozygotic (MZ, colloquially "identical") or dizygotic (DZ,
colloquially "fraternal" or "non-identical").

February 07Twice as Cute

In Cedar
Rapids, Iowa, Larry and Diane Kutcher welcome the birth of twin boys.
Christopher Ashton Kutcher follows five minutes after his fraternal
brother Michael, who was born with a mild form of cerebral palsy.


http://www.people.com/people/ashton_kutcher

Sorry but i dont believe in the twin theorie a little bit to far fetched IMO

anotherpartofme wrote:I find it hard to believe that MJ has a twin brother... I do not know how the familie managed to hide a child for years...and most importantly why they to do this?

My thoughts exactly. Also how could they presume or predict that one of the twins would be the most popular performer in the world, the King of pop? No one can know that. Also if he had an identical twin that looked exactly like each other they would have been exactly the same size- everyone seems to have overlooked that fact and there would be no difference in height, ears etc. And if they were not identical twins then the probability of them been alike is quite remote. There are non identical twins in my family and I have had school friends who had a non identical twin sibling and they did not look alike.

I think is quite possible MJ used a double but a twin? hee hee - two hopes- Bob Hope and no hope!!

Think these 2 guys waving a banner on the left are twins eh?

I am back from the second time of watching this is it and I looked very closely to Michael. I was looking if it was really him. But I really think all of them are Michael. the real Michael. every Michael had the same ear, you know the pointy ear, and the real Michael had that also you know so I really think their all the real Michael

yaya wrote:

mjssoulmate wrote:The queston is WHY? Why would the jackson hide any of their children?

seriously! i do believe michael has quite a few doubles...and i'm not talking about navi (who coincidentally favors michael in no way whatsoever) or any of the well known ones. i'm sure he has doubles that have been taught his mannerisms, his speaking voice, and have probably even had surgery to look more like him. but i do not believe he had a twin. i can't grasp his family hiding him for all these 51 years. why would they even do that? in the event that michael would one day need to fake his death? anything is possible, but this is just EXTREMELY unlikely and improbable.

Totally agree with everything you said.

i can't grasp his family hiding him for all these 51 years. why would
they even do that? in the event that michael would one day need to fake
his death?

Yes this makes it sounds like they were keeping a "spare" Michael around in the event one would ever be needed. Seriously, when he was born, the family wasn't even famous and no one knew if little Michael had any talent. On a side note, whose to say that if there was a twin (which I doubt) that the twin would have the same caliber of amazing talent Michael has?

the thought of a spare michael is funny!
and you're right, there would be no way to tell if the twin's talent measured up to michael's! that reminds me of mary-kate and ashley olsen...in that show "full house", each twin alternated scenes to make it fair. but eventually, you could notice the differences and be able to tell her character was being played by 2 different people.

BUT I LOVE THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE 2 MICHAEL

LOL I guess angles can be more deceiving then one could imagine .. Not sure about anything anymore. I know what I saw in the movies but it doesn't matter anyway. There are so many 'expect the unexpected' and 'anything is possible' everywhere, that at some point you actually start thinking things, although logic and reason tell you different. So I guess we'll never know what that singing with the brother means.....

In my own opinion, MJ has no twin brother. Because if he has, then his childhood would be perfect for both of them, and his life would have been very easy for him to handle... not the other way around.

Off topic: I remember the part of *this is it* where MJ said to Orianthi that *It's you time to shine, we'll be here for you*... I don't know if it's also a clue but does it mean MJ's sun will gonna set? Sorry but I can't explain any further like any geniuses here could... so, anybody? please...

First of all I'll take this opportunity to thank Souza and Mo for their brilliant imagination and logic. I read everything you wrote and I admire both of you from the bottom of my heart.
Now... my opinion. It's hard to believe Michael that had a twin brother because it would have been too difficult to hide his presence for such a long period of time . Moreover i really cannot believe that Mrs. Katherine would have ever accepted such a scenario.
BUT...it could be very possible that Michael have 'prepared' a very good impersonator since it is well known that all personalities had one. That's my opinion...the Michael's 'twin' is a very good impersonator intended not for the faked dead, but for making easier the Michael's every day life. What do you think?

Well, at the risk of looking like I’m dwelling too much on this theory, I have to say that sometimes I feel bad towards Mike for thinking about the possibility of him having a twin and living like this for decades. Can't explain why.

Still, the movies on Souza’s blog show different persons IMO. I saw different persons in the movie, ears or no ears considered. Logic and common sense tell me that a) there cannot be that excellence in two people, everything – voice, moves, personality almost identical; b) something like this cannot be kept secret for that many years, I cannot believe that; c) I don’t know much about vocal training and what you can achieve by it, but I don’t think you can get two people to sing 100% identical. IMHO

But there is a big IF and I wish I could ignore it. I’m not saying there are twins and I’m not saying there aren’t twins, I don’t know that, there’s no way I can say that for sure. I’m not embracing the theory but I’m not ignoring it either. It’s something to talk about and to study, like the others. After all, you can forget about pics and movies and all kinds of information and you get to that dedication on the CD, which I have to assume it is put there by Mike. And he did that for a reason.

MJFOREVER wrote:BUT I LOVE THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE 2 MICHAEL

yes me too!!!

ex_lurker wrote:Still, the movies on Souza’s blog show different persons IMO.

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and if you look at those clips only one is singing live so there goes the thought of them singing just alike cause obviously only 1 has voice...

and as far as them looking just alike..well what if we didnt start seeing until after 1 or both had nose jobs...to look more alike... and maybe that guys thats the lonely man alive is the one who was at home with toya and janet when the other brother was on the road and couldnt do things cause no1 knew who he was...i dont know thats just a thought cause i never understood how mj could be lonely cause it seemed like he had plenty of friends

but i still dont get why this was done or when we started to see both...if there is a both but i do think this is the most interesting theory of all

MJFOREVER wrote:BUT I LOVE THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE 2 MICHAEL

It would be very special, no comment further

Hmmmm...could this explain the discrepancy with the will? Michael Joseph was in L.A. and he signed the will, while Michael Joe was in N.Y. protesting Sony????

Uggggghhh...I just dunno anymore.

I don't believe in the twin theory, unless the family speaks out about it.
And I don't think this will ever happen. Why hide a child...

nohype wrote:Hmmmm...could this explain the discrepancy with the will? Michael Joseph was in L.A. and he signed the will, while Michael Joe was in N.Y. protesting Sony????

Uggggghhh...I just dunno anymore.

I still can't shake the problems of the will. As I recall, the only explanation we were given was that the lawyer "forgot" that he was NOT in L.A. I always thought this answer was a little far-fetched myself. In addition, Al Sharpton, who we have ALL seen standing right next to M.J. in New York, had to "consult" with the family before he made a statement. WHY????? There are tons of videos which CLEARLY place Al in New York with M.J. I'm not saying that the twin theory is the real deal, but I feel we are at a point where we need to consider EVERYTHING.

EVERYTHING? Maybe you're right, but we have a lot of work to do then...

MJJ1982 wrote:EVERYTHING? Maybe you're right, but we have a lot of work to do then...

Just thinking about the "work" makes my head spin.

nohype wrote:

MJJ1982 wrote:EVERYTHING? Maybe you're right, but we have a lot of work to do then...

Just thinking about the "work" makes my head spin.

Yeah... But my head is spinning since june 25, and it seems I have some place left for more spinning

MJJ1982 wrote:

nohype wrote:

MJJ1982 wrote:EVERYTHING? Maybe you're right, but we have a lot of work to do then...

Just thinking about the "work" makes my head spin.

Yeah... But my head is spinning since june 25, and it seems I have some place left for more spinning

It has been a long, bumpy ride for me too. I just feel that MJ is out there somewhere and I intend to see this whole thing through. Got a cigarette??? (even though I don't smoke. )

Hola chicos para mí esta teoría es muy posible.
Recuerda que Michael siempre dijo que no podía salir a jugar y divertirse con otros niños .... ocultando??
Las firmas de los que un pasaporte parece una persona zurda, hay fotos que muestran los cambios faciales sutiles, pero existen y, además, diferentes personalidades, dulce y tímida otro fuerte y provocador.
Y si un gemelo que murió y es un homenaje de amor a su medio?
Y si fue que vimos en la película que con honestidad y en mi opinión, no saben cómo moverse???
Perdonado, pero no mi idoma Inglés.

Hey guys for me this theory is very possible.
Remember that Michael always said he could not go out and play and have fun with other children .... hiding???
The signatures of the passport one seems a left-handed person, there are pictures that show subtle facial changes, but they exist, and moreover different personalities, sweet and shy another strong and provocative.
And if one twin who died and is a tribute of love for her half?
And if it was that we saw in the movie that honestly and in my opinion not know how to move???
Forgiven but not my idoma English.