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summer+sc3nt Platinum Member


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 | Subject: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:30 am | |
| When I did a little research on the significance of the roses and since most symbolic meaning on the color of the roses are more or less the same, I decided to look much deeper and came up with something much more complex. The mystery that surrounds the death of Michael Jackson, some will refer to it as a puzzle. To me it seems like a riddle something like a philosophical conundrum. What best explains a philosophical conundrum I figure will be by poetry. I will try my best to explain how I came about each poem but do help me where I failed to read between the lines. Most of what you will read are poems written by someone and also analized by another. I will post the name of the author for each poem. I get the symbolic meaning of the red and yellow roses from various sites and I've complied them together for better and easier reading.SIGNIFICANCE OF ROSES:**************************** History/Culture: by James Kilkelly ;There can be as few as five..or as many as 60 petals on a rose. The flowers of most species roses have five petals, with the exception of Rosa sericea, which usually has only four. Each petal is divided into two distinct lobes and is usually white or pink, though in a few species yellow or red. Beneath the petals are five sepals (or in the case of some Rosa sericea, four). These may be long enough to be visible when viewed from above and appear as green points alternating with the rounded petals. The ovary is inferior, developing below the petals and sepals. It simply depends on the rose plant itself. Some hybrids have an average of 45. The tradeoff is that some of these hybrids have very little smell. Early Christians identified the five petals of the rose with the five wounds of Christ their leaders were hesitant to adopt it because of its association with Roman excesses and pagan ritual.The red rose was eventually adopted as a symbol of the blood of the Christian martyrs.Roses also later came to be associated with the Virgin Mary. In Rome a wild rose would be placed on the door of a room where confidential matters were discussed. The phrase sub rosa, or "under the rose", means to keep a secret—derived from this ancient Roman practice. A red rose (often held in a hand) is also a symbol of socialism or social democracy; it is also used as a symbol by the British and Irish Labour Parties, as well as by the French, Spanish (Spanish Socialist Workers' Party), Portuguese, Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Finnish, Brazilian, Dutch (Partij van de Arbeid) and European socialist parties. Answers.com - Occultism & Parapsychology Encyclopedia: Rose ;The rose additionally symbolized silence. Eros, in Greek mythology, presents a rose to the god of silence. Things spoken under the rose or sub rosa were the secrets of Venus' sexual mysteries, later generalized to refer to keeping any secret. The use of red and white roses symbolized the sexually active and virginal goddess respectively and set the stage for the later Christian sexual symbolism possessed by the rose. That symbolism survives today in the predominate use of roses at weddings and as gifts for Valentine's Day. In the East, it was believed that the first rose was generated by a tear of the prophet Mohammed, and it was further believed that on a certain day in the year the rose had a heart of gold. The red rose, it was said, would not bloom over a grave. It appeared on the family crest of Martin Luther, seemingly the ultimate source of the Rosicrucians' (members of an esoteric society or group of societies, who claim that their order has been in existence since the days of ancient Egypt and has over the course of time included many of the world's sages) juxtaposition of the rose and cross. Earlier it had been used in the symbolism of alchemy. Both pagan and Christian folklore cites the rose as a symbol of regeneration and love. SYMBOLIC MEANING OF RED ROSES:**************************************** Red rose is the symbol of love and fidelity. According to the Greek legend red roses arised from blood of Adonis who was killed by a wild boar on a hunt. In Greek mythology red rose was a symbol for the cycle of growth and decay, but also for love and affinity. Red rose is dedicated to Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love and daughter of Zeus and also to Roman goddess Venus. In Christianity the red rose is associated with the Cross and the bloodshed. SYMBOLIC MEANING OF YELLOW ROSES: by Chris Hammond********************************************* “Yellow roses signify strong feelings of pure joy, gladness, happiness and friendship, but were once used to convey jealousy. Friendship is the main meaning of the yellow rose but it also signifies familiar love and domestci happiness. Yellow roses also symbolize fun and freedom. Today, the yellow rose is used to embrace a new beginning, apologize or express sympathy, and to say, "remember me" , "I am sorry', or "I care." Yellow roses are appropriate for marking the beginning of a new life together or for starting all over again. A Yellow rose with red tip indicates friendship falling in love.” Then I came across this poem while surfing about the meaning of a Red Rose. This is only part of the poem and the poet seems to think it is significant to the Red Rose.. (The White Rose) The red rose whispers of passion,And the white rose breathes of love; Oh, the red rose is a falcon,And the white rose is a dove. ~by John Boyle O'Reilly 1844-1890, written in 1875 I was curious as to why John Boyle assiociate the red rose with the falcon... I searched again for the significance of of the falcon and came upon another poem by William Butler Yeats and later analized by John Waters. http://www.humboldt.edu/~jlw47/thesecondcoming.html A week ago there was a post done by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs titled "Crucifixtion", "Death", "Resurrection"..... I was commenting on it and some how I began chatting with mjjforever72 and she mentioned the Revelation. You may check out the conversation we had and a link posted by Human_nature about the revelation on that post. http://mjkit.forumotion.net/breaking-news-f3/crucifixtion-death-resurrection-t194-25.htm My guess is that maybe Michael is really trying to tell us something. Check out Human_nature's post as well titled, Michael Sony speech JUne 15 2002. Human-nature was trying to get us to see the video numerous times coz I've seen her posting it a 3rd time. That was when I paid any attention to her video. That video brought about my search for the symbolic meaning of the roses. In the video you see someone handing Michael a bouquet of yellow flowers and he held it up. Maybe that was the reason he had the special guests attending (other than his families) wearing the yellow roses. Maybe to tell us to look up the video with the yellow roses so we'll be aware of what has been going on and who are involved.http://mjkit.forumotion.net/michael-jackson-video-s-f6/michael-sony-speech-june-15-2002-t323.htm?highlight=michael+jackson+video+on+sonyTurning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.This part seems to rhyme with Michael's plight.
Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all around it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
This part could mean Michael will be back and see justice done... As mjjforever72 said to me while we were chatting, that the second coming is vengeful. (In Revelation the second coming is not meek and mild but brutally vengeful upon his return---the second earthly appearance predicted in Matthew 25, Luke 21, John 16 etc.). Remember the symbolic meaning of a yellow rose means 'a new life'.
In John Waters' analysis he mentioned, The image of a great cat, the Sphinx, suggests a great independent spirit and heretic leader in Egypt who lived at about 1350BC and was called "the heretic Pharaoh." This man's name was Akhnaton. The image of a cat fits this man because a cat tends to be very independent minded and determined once its mind is set. The suggestion Yeats is making is that Akhnaton had something important to contribute, which is heretical. When we examine Akhnaton we find that he was a lover of nature, of animals, and of children. He also introduced naturalistic art which is a precursor of Greek science. This may be stretching Yeats quite a bit, but I thought I should throw it in. In this poem Yeats himself is presenting certain ideas which are heretical and might have offended some orthodox Christians.
The above blends well with Michael's character...
In the Video Michael said, "WE must continue our drive until he is terminated" then he goes on to say, "The best is yet to come", this gives us hope that he'll be back when he is well planned. Figuratively speaking we will be saying, 'Michael's roses' when we see those red and yellow roses. As in 'rise'.
(Read this about Tommy Motola)
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/119232 This may all be a coincidence but.. it seems to be in sync with what has been happening. Someone may disagree and bombard this post with rude and nasty comments. I have this to say, Michael may need us to see the truth of what is really happening. Before anyone pass judgement listen to Michael's song titled,'Cry'. Also take Rachel's advise and stop bullying! Those who does not believe that Michael is still alive, when you pop into this forum please do move on!
(Part of 'Cry' Lyrics) You can change the world (I can't do it by myself) You can touch the sky (Gonna take somebody's help) You're the chosen one (I'm gonna need some kind of sign) If we all cry at the same time tonightThen someone posted a thread on 'Tie A Yellow Ribbon' and it so reminds most of us of 'The Yellow Rose Of Texas'. I have got the lyrics from Elvis Presley since Michael's live seems so in sync with Elvis. http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-yellow-rose-of-texas-lyrics-elvis-presley.html This is the link to the 'The Yellow Rose Of Texas' Legend.http://americanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_yellow_rose_of_texas I know you guys have been a lil stressed on all this so I've got some tunes for you to dance to lol...  http://www.lsjunction.com/midi/yellowr.mid This is for Michael.. 
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MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs Platinum Member


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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:06 pm | |
| wow........ that is one deep post! The post that you refer to of mine, it was not meant to offend anyone. I hope it did not. IF we're going w/ what you've written above, I still say that the message(s) are in the lyrics to Michael's songs. Does that make sense? |
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Human_nature Diamond Member


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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:07 pm | |
| Excellent post  I want reply only with this smile with a big YES   |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:19 pm | |
| This is a great post! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and findings. I think there are many different theories circulating and we really don't know which are true and which are not. But I do think that together we can come closer to the truth! Besides we are not doing this for ourselves...we are doing it because IMO if Michael took as much time as to plan leaving clues for his fans, the least we can do is, trust that he know what he is doing and that the truth will come out sooner than later!  |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:25 pm | |
| I have this dream (Michael Jackson)
Lyrics :
verse 1
some people say
I live in a fantasy
because I see the world
differently
visions come to me
in my sleep
I closed my eyes
to see what God is showing me
close your eyes
and imagine with me
see the wonder
in every living thing
if we can life
the way it is in my dreams
love will take us to a place where
god can be seen
this is my dream
I have this dream
this i believe
the world a place for all humanity
if we could take love to it's highest level
more than the world has ever seen
I have this dream
verse 2
let's put Gods love on display
angel of love come my way
it really up to you and me
one world together in harmony
in my dream I see heaven
and the face of the one perfect being
I see people turning into angels
and God giving them their wings
chorus
I have this dream
this I believe
the world's a place
for all humanity
if we could take love
to it's highest level
more than the world has ever seen
I have this dream
repeat chorus
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:43 pm | |
| Michael my Darling, I hope you will get all your dreams for filled. You know we miss you so much right?You know we love and support you, not matter what right?You know what you mean to us, dont you?You know that we always belived in you?You changed our lives.Michael, we hope you are happy, wherever you may be hiding.We pray to God every night, asking him to protect you, to help you recover, and get you`re strengh back.When will you come back to us Michael??Or just give us something to let us know that you are allright?Just a little clue.Michael we love you more, Dont you EVER forget that |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:57 pm | |
| Where is he??  |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:10 pm | |
| I nickname myself " Yellow Rose of Texas"(The Friendships and Hard Times and Good Times and Overcoming Big Obstacles) .. because I though it fit my life - and so far it has ... Michael , Sweet Earth Angel - we love you very much , I don't know you personally or physcially - But in Spirit - I felt like you were a Family Member all my life - we all love you , please see kindness in your heart to come back and Do get Better - I care about you in most loving way possible that Human Being can Express .... Get Better "Earth Angel" ... I will be waiting with all the love + support a girl can have! |
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summer+sc3nt Platinum Member


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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:07 pm | |
| | MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs wrote: | wow........ that is one deep post! The post that you refer to of mine, it was not meant to offend anyone. I hope it did not. IF we're going w/ what you've written above, I still say that the message(s) are in the lyrics to Michael's songs. Does that make sense? |
No dear you did not offend anyone... You opened our eyes in fact... Hugsssssssssssssss to you |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:25 am | |
| Amazing work and thank you for posting this  I didn't think much about the significance of the roses that are embedded in them until now. I came across this site that explains the significance of falcon and what it represents; http://www.symbolic-meanings.com/2007/10/02/symbolism-of-the-falcon-meaning-of-falcon-sightings/ 'Throughout history, culture and myth, Falcons symbolize superiority, spirit, light, freedom and aspiration. The Falcon is a solar emblem for success, victory and rising above a situation.' 'The fact that the Falcon is a solar beast leads me to believe that there is something in your life that you are highly passionate about, and the Falcon is asking you to take action on this passion. But be smart about it – don’t jump into something without doing research and planning. Make your passion a reality by persuing it methodically.' what I believe could be significant to Michael are highlighted in bold. Michael may have foreseen what such culprits as Sony and AEG were trying to do to him and may have decided to take drastic actions to save himself, as well as gaining his freedom. And the second paragraph could be important as it is similar to what Micahel has been telling us all this time - don't believe everything the media says but look and search with our hearts ... I don't know whether this is relevant or if I make sense at all LOL!  |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:56 am | |
| | MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs wrote: | wow........ that is one deep post! The post that you refer to of mine, it was not meant to offend anyone. I hope it did not. IF we're going w/ what you've written above, I still say that the message(s) are in the lyrics to Michael's songs. Does that make sense? |
Well you were the one who lighted the candle hunni... We might well be on our way to uncovering the unknown lol... You did not offend anyone. Especially NOT me. For those who believed in buddhism and what you mentioned in your post does seems like a recarnation. To those who are not will then look upon it as the repetition of history. No one could deny the similarities of events. I agree too the messages are in Michael's songs. It does makes a lot of sense since Michael used his songs to expressed himself. |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:54 am | |
| MJSmile4Us wrote:
Yes Michael always looks charming in all the videos. He has such an angelic smile. His smile makes you feel that everything is going to be all right. |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:44 am | |
| I dont believe they would burry Michael on his birthday. Like you said, that would be traumatic for the kids.
Michael is not a Jehowas Witness, so those who say that It would not mean anything, Yes it would, they have to respect that.
Why would the family suddenly, tell us where to burry him?
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:51 am | |
| IMO I think Joe and the media is making a stir again and how convenient that Michael's b'day is coming up?  |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:57 am | |
| MJSmile4UsJoe Jackson is a horrid man! He has been since day one. He has done nothing but clowning around the Media since that fateful day. I bet when Michael's birthday draws near there will be circus for us to watch. I agree with you Joe and the Media alike are so insensitive to the children's feelings... Altho if the children does know of the hoax.. it isn't nice to let them read all that garbage. MyBelovedMJThey say that because days earlier they did mentioned that Michael is gonna be buried... I do bet we'll laugh our teeth off that day.. Wait and see what they're up to. |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:59 am | |
| Hoping againts hope... Michael will dance himself out of his birthday cake lol...  That will be a nice one for us dear Michael..  |
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 | Subject: Re: Significance of Colored Roses during Michael Jackson's Memorial Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:26 pm | |
| | Quote: | [quote="summer+sc3nt"]MJSmile4Us Joe Jackson is a horrid man! He has been since day one. He has done nothing but clowning around the Media since that fateful day. I bet when Michael's birthday draws near there will be circus for us to watch. I agree with you Joe and the Media alike are so insensitive to the children's feelings... Altho if the children does know of the hoax.. it isn't nice to let them read all that garbage.
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I agree - no man could be as cruel as Joe - promoting his new record label when his son just 'died', starting ridiculous rumour about Omar being Michael's biological son, showing no emotions (maybe bcoz he has no heart at all, explaining his incapacity to shed a tear and his faked emotion on one of his interviews where he talked about Omar 'looks like a Jackson, dance like a jackson' shenanigan.)
I am anxious and fear at the same time what would happen on August 29th..maybe a swarm of journalists raiding Forest Lawn Cemetery? or maybe they won't so there will not be a photo like how there is only ONE photo of Michael on June 25th (ambulance photo)..
My heart breaks everytime I think about the kind of impact it will have on the children - they are innocent kids who r caught in thre middle of this drama. if this is a hoax and they know they can turn to their daddy for support, I will be so relieved. I think that's why he only let the kids watch cartoons bcoz I think it's an honest truth that nothing good ever gets to be reported on tv. definitely not for the children to see And as MJ says...
'Speculate to break the one you hate Circulate the lie you confiscate Assassinate and mutilate It's the hounding media in hysteria' |
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