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Post by Banessa on Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:31 am

I don't think this has been posted here yet...so here it goes! It was posted on MJHD by the user Shamone. I think it is interesting and it might lift your spirits up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNyWwrxhu8

Let me know what you think! I totally agree with the video and with what the poster is saying! Just my thoughts Very Happy
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Post by Grace on Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:56 am

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Post by just_friend on Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:59 am

Banessa, thanx for sharing!
I totally agree! I just love the way of the poster's thought!
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:19 am

Thanxs for the Video , I comment on MJHD on that ... I said it was Genius of Michael to think of CGI Face Animation ... He could totally use that for Dr.Murray Video Message on Youtube.
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Post by Ena on Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:25 am

Thanks for posting the link, Banessa. Jonell's videos are very interesting. I never thought about the possibility that the Doc might be animated but nowadays we are capable to do so much more with computer technologie.

But I'm not convinced that this is Michael yet.

I don't know if that's been asked but does a CV of Dr. Murray exist somewhere?
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Post by Airun on Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:07 am

Tanks Wink. Show must go on
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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:44 am

"Dr Murray is to beeing arrasted next week"???

WTF, what kinda Joke is this?

if you are charging someone, arent you supoose to arrest them right away??

Im just asking.

The thing, with the mirror at the end, of the first Video, freaked me out. What the heck was that all about??

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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:00 am

Thanks for posting the link Banessa, I love Jonell's videos and they sync up with what we discuss here. Is she a member by any chance? We could do with her on here too.
I thought of the 4D Facial capture for Dr Murray because it is entirely possible. 4D facial capture animation has grown in leaps and bounds over the past couple of years to the high standard and quality that it is today.
Cast your mind back to the 2004 Tom Hanks movie 'The Polar Express' done antirely in 4D facial capture. The 4D capture wasn't great because it was still fairly early on but it was done although Tom Hanks didn't look too realistic.
Fast forward to 2007 onwards and it really has grown.
Indie band Hot Chip used 4D Facial Capture for their music video 'Colours' (I don't know who they are either but I did a project on the 4D Facial capture technique for my final year project at Uni in 2007 and that's where I found it).

http://www.boardsmag.com/screeningroom/musicvideos/3163/

It is entirely possible to create entire worlds and fantasy characters using CGI, and now people can be created too. It's a far cry from the 2005 Final Fantasy Advent Children movie which was all 3D animation and looked lifeless.
With 4D Facial Capture and Motion Capture - as demonstrated in the Lord of The Rings Trilogy and King Kong, not to mention Michael Jackson's Ghosts using the nodes to capture the movement then having that motion displayed on screen by the CGI character. Well the world is practically your oyster, and newer technologies are being created every day to hone and perfect the technique.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:14 am

Sorry, Here's the rest of what I wanted to say RE: Jonell's video. I got a bit caught up on the 4DFC/CGI lol.
I didn't know Murray was a Mason, this changes the dynamic somewhat. Is that picture a legitimate picture? I've never seen it before. I've only ever seen the pic at his surgery - the one pic that we had.
Hmm... Masons are known for not letting one of their own get into trouble. I know that over here there are a lot of Masons within the police force as well as the Judiciary (judges and lawyers) - they make sure that their own people don't get caught or if they do get caught they get them let off. It's food for thought at any rate.
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Post by Pammy on Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:22 am

I knew that this vid cant be a real human being...it seemed so fake to me. Good post ! Thanks!!!
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Post by NikkiKat22 on Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:44 am

Does anybody notice that Murray doesnt' blink but like once. Thats not normal. He has to be reading a script or something.Love the video it made a lot of sense. LOL, Looks like were taking over YouTube. Maybe now we will be herd.
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Post by Ena on Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:06 pm

I just watched the video again. He does blink more than once but he's acting rather strange... Stiff, I'd say.
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Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:15 pm

Banessa, so glad you posted this!
I watched this vid early this morning, followed by Jonell's.

Very interesting....

(and APOM, thanks for writing about 4D FC/CGI. It's enlightening...) sunny
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Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:16 pm

(just wondering where my MICHAEL (avatar) went??
why do I have an ad under my name??!! ) scratch

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Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:09 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !


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Post by silvy on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:20 pm

Awsome!!
Look at this>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/12191275/Jackson
And this!
http://www.hiram.be/photo/1526310-2036336.jpg
Same freemason symbols all the way!


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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:22 pm

@Human_nature

OMG what is that?? I almost fell down my chair, im lost lol

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Post by silvy on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:29 pm

Please take a look at the pdf.file.Its very interessting!
Check it out! ( He knew it all along )




http://www.scribd.com/doc/12191275/Jackson
And if you like to learn more about
Freemason

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2962112/Freemason-Bluebook



Pffff  it is  almost like the DaVinci-code!!
If the movie-theory is true... This is gonna be a real good one!

Thumbs up Mike!


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Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:38 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !


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Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:41 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !


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Post by EarthAngel90 on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:42 pm

Michael is a Freemason ??? !!! Please explain .... I saw the picture and the details and read about - put it short , sweet and to the point of A Freemason !!!!! Don't want to get the wrong idea !!!
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Post by silvy on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:42 pm

The tombstone... Yes
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:48 pm

I don't know if Michael is a Mason, traditionally the Brotherhood don't let their own get into trouble and things usually get swept under the carpet - which is why I'd find it hard to believe they'd just dump him in it with the 2005 trial and all the problems that arose from that - not to mention Bashir would never have been able to get that job in America and he would have been discredited completely if Michael was a Mason.
I would have an easier time of believing Murray was a Mason than Michael simply because Michael wasn't protected at all by anyone - whereas Masons tend to grease the wheels for their own people and protect them when things go south.
If Michael were a Mason he too would have the same protection - people like Tom Sheldon would never, ever have brought 1 case against him let alone 2 because it would have been stopped practically as soon as it began. It certainly wouldn't have gone as far as it did with a criminal trial and everything.
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Post by silvy on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:50 pm

Human NatureCheck this one out, it helps to understand the dangerous cover.http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread476341/pg3
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Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:57 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !


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Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:00 pm

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !


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Post by MJFOREVER on Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:02 pm

i dont get the freemason thing Crying or Very sad (its sunday my brains aint working today)Razz
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Post by SeeingClues on Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:05 pm

I wonder if MJ was foreshadowing the Murray film being an "imposter" so to speak, with the O2 press announcement?

When I first saw the Murray video my first impression was it was MJ in disguise (before I heard of this new technology).

I wonder if there is any way to reverse engineer, so to speak, the video to see if this technology was used? Or compare to MJ mannerisms?
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Post by Sweet1 on Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:06 pm

Thanks for the post Banessa!
I enjoyed Jonell's video. It give more enlightment to what is going on for me. I never knew MJ was a freemason. My ex was a freemason. He was very high in the order. I was an Eastern Star and all that goes along with it. APOM you were correct. Freemasons are sworn to protect one another no matter. They have signs they only know to confirm their authenticity. That emblem around Dr. Murray's neck is of a freemason. Freemasons are all around the world. It was undoubtedly one of MJ's brothers that he got to play the role. I don't know if you recall seeing on the news last week showing Dr. Murray walking into his Las Vegas home. He was walking away from the camera with a baseball cap. You never saw his face. All I gathered was he seemed to be very tall. I am glad he had a band of brothers sworn to secrecy to help him make his movie. Keep the Faith!
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:32 pm

Sweet1 - it isn't confirmed that MJ is a mason, that is human_nature's theory.

Freemasons are sworn to protect each other - which means Michael is not a freemason because he wasn't protected at all, and he was dragged through the dirt literally through the 2005 trial - I still maintain that Michael Jackson is 100% NOT a Freemason because otherwise he would never have had the trials or legal problems that he had. He would never have gone through them because the brotherhood would have protected him. The fact that they didn't confirms to me that he is not a Mason and probably has never been one.

He may have used the symbology - although I have found none so far beyond the couple of pictures from Blood on the Dancefloor and certainly not in the Dangerous album cover - but using the symbols and being a Mason are two different things.

Besides, Michael is not wearing any Mason medals, necklaces, pendants etc. He just dressed in a very regal way (He was always a very classy dresser) but if you look closely at the pictures Human_nature posted on page 1 - he is using his own symbology - his Michael Crest and the crowns, not Mason symbology.
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Post by silvy on Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:41 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:Sweet1 - it isn't confirmed that MJ is a mason, that is human_nature's theory.

Freemasons are sworn to protect each other - which means Michael is not a freemason because he wasn't protected at all, and he was dragged through the dirt literally through the 2005 trial - I still maintain that Michael Jackson is 100% NOT a Freemason because otherwise he would never have had the trials or legal problems that he had. He would never have gone through them because the brotherhood would have protected him. The fact that they didn't confirms to me that he is not a Mason and probably has never been one.

He may have used the symbology - although I have found none so far beyond the couple of pictures from Blood on the Dancefloor and certainly not in the Dangerous album cover - but using the symbols and being a Mason are two different things.

Besides, Michael is not wearing any Mason medals, necklaces, pendants etc. He just dressed in a very regal way (He was always a very classy dresser) but if you look closely at the pictures Human_nature posted on page 1 - he is using his own symbology - his Michael Crest and the crowns, not Mason symbology.


Maybe the Masons are protecting/hiding him now..
And about the trials..maybe he thought he could deal with it on is own and didn't want help from the brotherhood at that time.. a little bit naive.
And don't forget..he grew up as a Jehova witness..His mother is a practicing Jehova witness and he loves her very much and he would listen to her.
The Masons can't force you into anything you don't want to.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:50 pm

silvy wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Maybe the Masons are protecting/hiding him now..
And about the trials..maybe he thought he could deal with it on is own and didn't want help from the brotherhood at that time.. a little bit naive.
And don't forget..he grew up as a Jehova witness..His mother is a practicing Jehova witness and he loves her very much and he would listen to her.
The Masons can't force you into anything you want to.
He left the Jehovah Witnesses in 1987, I don't think that would make much of a difference because his mother would never be able to talk about religion with him - JW's are forbidden to talk about their religion to former members so Katherine was stuck in that respect. He can listen to Katherine in certain respects but on the subject of religion it's a null point because she is unable to broach the subject with him.

No, I think the brotherhood is protecting Dr Murray. This why we have a picture of Murray in Mason garb. This is why they're announcing when they're going to arrest him and still haven't (that's like a robber announcing when they're going to break into your house). This is why the LAPD investigation has been a complete farce. This is why Murray was never an official suspect and still isn't, and this is why he is involved in a high profile 'death' but is still allowed to leave the State of California and could go underground at any time.
This could also tie in with Police Chief William Bratton's sudden resignation after being the most influential positive force the LAPD has ever known and responsible for completely turning the force around - and who is now no longer going to be a policeman, but a private security guard.
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Post by ishealive on Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:55 pm

"Dr Murray is to beeing arrasted next week"???

WTF, what kinda Joke is this?

if you are charging someone, arent you supoose to arrest them right away??



Lol brilliant point and Jonell also brought this up, I can't believe the rest of the world isn't questioning this, it's so amateur it's like it's the LAPD's first case.
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Post by silvy on Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:02 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
silvy wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Maybe the Masons are protecting/hiding him now..
And about the trials..maybe he thought he could deal with it on is own and didn't want help from the brotherhood at that time.. a little bit naive.
And don't forget..he grew up as a Jehova witness..His mother is a practicing Jehova witness and he loves her very much and he would listen to her.
The Masons can't force you into anything you want to.
He left the Jehovah Witnesses in 1987, I don't think that would make much of a difference because his mother would never be able to talk about religion with him - JW's are forbidden to talk about their religion to former members so Katherine was stuck in that respect. He can listen to Katherine in certain respects but on the subject of religion it's a null point because she is unable to broach the subject with him.

No, I think the brotherhood is protecting Dr Murray. This why we have a picture of Murray in Mason garb. This is why they're announcing when they're going to arrest him and still haven't (that's like a robber announcing when they're going to break into your house). This is why the LAPD investigation has been a complete farce. This is why Murray was never an official suspect and still isn't, and this is why he is involved in a high profile 'death' but is still allowed to leave the State of California and could go underground at any time.
This could also tie in with Police Chief William Bratton's sudden resignation after being the most influential positive force the LAPD has ever known and responsible for completely turning the force around - and who is now no longer going to be a policeman, but a private security guard.
Protecting Murray...Murray could be MJ or its just a marionet of MJ  ( or of the order).About Katherine vs MJ and religion..don't know. I havent been there.Its possible that they discussed/spoke about  it, its a normal thing to do.You dont always play by the rules.Jehova's dont celebrate their birthdays..But there is a youtubemovie that Katherine is celebrating her birthday and Michael is singing to her.
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Post by ilprincipe on Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:03 pm

Ok...I'm not sure if MJ is a freemason...
but he may be connected with them in some way.

Murray- if he exists- is one...
William Bratten
Al Sharpton
Jesse Jackson

Many US Presidents from the Democratic Party---also Obama!
He didn't pay much attention to MJs "death"...
he was in moscow at that time....
The US. Presidents from the Republican Party are mostly in the
Skull & bones order like George W. Bush, who was US pres. in 2005 during
the 2nd trial....


If you look in the past...MJ was THE symbol of the free WEST and a sign for capitalism in the 80's...
there was still the "Cold War" --- USA/EUROPE and Russia were very big opponents. Anyone remember the so called "iron curtain"?
So 2009 MJ died...and Obama didn't really pay respect to him...that was weird.

Further informations about freemasons and MJ here on mjhd:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/your-theories-about-michael-jacksons-death/mj-a-freemason
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Post by PinkLizard on Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:30 pm

charmed6 wrote:Does anybody notice that Murray doesnt' blink but like once. Thats not normal. He has to be reading a script or something.Love the video it made a lot of sense. LOL, Looks like were taking over YouTube. Maybe now we will be herd.

Have watched this again with my 18year old nephew, he noticed that DM does blink but it is every 5 seconds, how can you blink at exactly 5 second intervals when blinking is random? very odd!
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:41 pm

[quote="silvy"]
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
silvy wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Protecting Murray...Murray could be MJ or its just a marionet of MJ ( or of the order).About Katherine vs MJ and religion..don't know. I havent been there.Its possible that they discussed/spoke about it, its a normal thing to do.You dont always play by the rules.Jehova's dont celebrate their birthdays..But there is a youtubemovie that Katherine is celebrating her birthday and Michael is singing to her.
They may not have celebrated birthdays but they did celebrate the day of birth (I realise that sounds a bit crackpot but bear with me). In MJ's Private Home Videos he explains that while they don't celebrate birthdays they do celebrate the day but they give it the name of the person whose birthday it is i.e. Joe Jackson day, Katherine Jackson Day etc.
I do love that birthday song video btw, lovely.

According to Katherine, quoted in J Randy Taraborelli's book, page 363, the final paragraph beginning:
"Michael's decision to leave the church puzzled his mother, Katherine, and caused her great despair. Katherine wasn't sure she knew her own son any longer. However, there was no discussing the spiritual matter with him - literally. As it was strictly prohibited for a Witness to discuss matters of faith with ex-members, even if they are family, Katherine says that she has never asked Michael what happened, and she says that she never intends to ask such questions.
'I was not required to "shun" my son,' she claimed, referring to rumours of that nature. 'But we can't talk about matters of faith any longer, which is a shame.'"
From what I know, JWs are very strict at adhering to their faith and doing things that many of us wouldn't find 'normal' such as discussing religion with ex-members which they are forbidden to do. Assuming that Katherine is as strict and faithful to the religion then she would be bound by it.

We don't know who or what Murray is atm, I don't buy into the Murray=Michael thing just yet, although I'm still on the fence about him being a CGI 4D construct. I'm going to wait for a bit more information on him first before I reject him as a real live human being.
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Post by Banessa on Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:25 pm

Wow you guys! Thank you for posting all your info. and thoughts on the free masons! It is very interesting and intriguing at the same time!

If Michael was not a mason, could it be that the reason why he used so much of their symbolism, is because he wanted to be one? I'm not too familiar with the free masons. Does any one know how someone could become a part of them? I know they are supposed to be a very elite and exclusive group.

BTW I am glad you guys enjoyed the video! For me after watching it a lot of things became more clearer and made more sense! And thank God for that because I seriously thought I was slowly but surely loosing it! lol
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Post by Human_nature on Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:09 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !


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Post by Banessa on Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:42 am

Human_nature wrote:
Banessa wrote:Wow you guys! Thank you for posting all your info. and thoughts on the free masons! It is very interesting and intriguing at the same time!

If Michael was not a mason, could it be that the reason why he used so much of their symbolism, is because he wanted to be one? I'm not too familiar with the free masons. Does any one know how someone could become a part of them? I know they are supposed to be a very elite and exclusive group.

BTW I am glad you guys enjoyed the video! For me after watching it a lot of things became more clearer and made more sense! And thank God for that because I seriously thought I was slowly but surely loosing it! lol

You need an invitation from another Freemason to become one, that's it Wink Michael has many freemason friends around him.

But Freemason or not, he used all those symbols alot. Everywhere.

Jehovah Witness...very strict religion indeed...Some of my friends WAS JW and they leave. Their experience was not good.
I don't want judge or anything like that, but some religions ask too much. I heard many bad things about the JW....sadly.


Thanks, Human_Nature for the information! I really do appreciate it;) And yes he did use/surrounded himself w/a lot of the symbols. Regarding the JW I don't really know much about their teachings. I do have a friend that used to be a JW but she left the religion because , she told me that they, the JW, didn't agree with her lifestyle. She was living w/her boyfriend and expecting a child w/out being married! That is all I know about them! I think Michael was no longer a JW though? Please Correct me if I am wrong! Smile Again thanks!
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Post by Human_nature on Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:16 am

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !


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Post by jpresley on Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:32 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
silvy wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
Maybe the Masons are protecting/hiding him now..
And about the trials..maybe he thought he could deal with it on is own and didn't want help from the brotherhood at that time.. a little bit naive.
And don't forget..he grew up as a Jehova witness..His mother is a practicing Jehova witness and he loves her very much and he would listen to her.
The Masons can't force you into anything you want to.
He left the Jehovah Witnesses in 1987, I don't think that would make much of a difference because his mother would never be able to talk about religion with him - JW's are forbidden to talk about their religion to former members so Katherine was stuck in that respect. He can listen to Katherine in certain respects but on the subject of religion it's a null point because she is unable to broach the subject with him.

No, I think the brotherhood is protecting Dr Murray. This why we have a picture of Murray in Mason garb. This is why they're announcing when they're going to arrest him and still haven't (that's like a robber announcing when they're going to break into your house). This is why the LAPD investigation has been a complete farce. This is why Murray was never an official suspect and still isn't, and this is why he is involved in a high profile 'death' but is still allowed to leave the State of California and could go underground at any time.
This could also tie in with Police Chief William Bratton's sudden resignation after being the most influential positive force the LAPD has ever known and responsible for completely turning the force around - and who is now no longer going to be a policeman, but a private security guard.

Actually, the part about Jehovah's Witnesses not talking to former members of the congregation is false. My entire family (wi/ myself and only a few others excluded) are practicing JW's and I grew up as one. We were always encouraged to speak to all people about Witnessing and such, no matter if they were no longer practicing. My family, for instance, constantly tries to talk to me about it lol. Anyway, I think you may be confusing this with the stance they take for members who have been 'disfellowshipped' or 'disassociated'. In this instance, regular members of the congregation are encouraged to forfeit all communication with this person for two reasons, (1) so the disfellowshipped person feels the punishment for his/her actions and (2) to protect other members from any undu bad influence. However, even in this situation, the family members are encouraged to speak frequently with this person as are the Elders of the congregation. The best case scenario is that this person is reinstated in the JW community - they never see anyone as a lost cause. All of this doesn't apply to Michael though. He may have not been a practicing Jehovah's Witness, but he wasn't disfellowshipped - this I know as an absolute fact.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:04 pm

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Actually, the part about Jehovah's Witnesses not talking to former members of the congregation is false. My entire family (wi/ myself and only a few others excluded) are practicing JW's and I grew up as one. We were always encouraged to speak to all people about Witnessing and such, no matter if they were no longer practicing. My family, for instance, constantly tries to talk to me about it lol. Anyway, I think you may be confusing this with the stance they take for members who have been 'disfellowshipped' or 'disassociated'. In this instance, regular members of the congregation are encouraged to forfeit all communication with this person for two reasons, (1) so the disfellowshipped person feels the punishment for his/her actions and (2) to protect other members from any undu bad influence. However, even in this situation, the family members are encouraged to speak frequently with this person as are the Elders of the congregation. The best case scenario is that this person is reinstated in the JW community - they never see anyone as a lost cause. All of this doesn't apply to Michael though. He may have not been a practicing Jehovah's Witness, but he wasn't disfellowshipped - this I know as an absolute fact.
Hey, thanks for clearing that up for me JP Very Happy I don't know much about JWs, I do know they've recently come into my area and they've started knocking on my door lol, but aside from that only very little.
I took the Katherine quote out of the book but according to it and the letter cum press release released by the Jehovah's Witnesses HQ in Brooklyn it stated that the organisation 'no longer considers Michael Jackson to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses' but it does say he withdrew, he was 100% not disfellowshipped.
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