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Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:14 pm

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Re: Why the need for a hoax?

Post by mjthelegendlives on Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:23 pm

GirlSaturday wrote:Two people in terms of two individuals or two people in terms of a split personality? Some of my readings have lead me to believe that MJ had traumatic experiences as a child (physical/emotional/sexual) and it has been noted by mental health professionals that additional personalities can develop as a result. Think about MJ onstage in comparison with MJ off stage i.e. during an interview. We are talking about a 360 degree change in the person. It often seemed that there were indeed TWO different Michael Jacksons.

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jade jackson wrote:I had just written a long comment and then I think I accidentally deleted it. If this a duplicate post, I'm sorry..please disregard. I was mentioning something someone said on the Joe/Joseph thread..she/he brought up an interview (maybe the one with Maury Povich). When Michael was asked about the molestation charges he said something like..."Michael Jackson did not do that...somebody else did that." What does this mean...has anyone analyzed this comment? My other question is this...if we can figure out how Michael hoaxed his death and why he hoaxed his death, the question I would have then is HOW he would manage to come back after all that has happened...all the uproar in the lives of his children and family? I am selfish enough to really want him to come back with his name fully cleared of all that molestation stuff and I would like to see a stunning comeback concert. It would blow my mind...but how in the world would he pull off coming back amidst all of this confusion. I would love it if he were to come back... I want him to come back...but it seems to me the publicity would be bad given all that has happened since his "death." He would really have a media problem then. How I would love to see all of this tied together by someone.

Your comment makes sense. Though I believe Michael hoaxed his death because he was in danger, sometimes a crazy thought crosses my mind that Michael Jackson was not a single person, but an entity of two persons performing, singing, writing, etc.

In the Bashir interview at the beginning you can see Michael's face is slightly different from the person he interviews at the end of it. Of course, this interview had an 8 month period, and he maybe would have gone through surgery during this time, but well I dont know. Another thing that caught my eye is that at a certain point Bashir asks Michael if Blanket's mother is a public figure, he says "yes", then at another part of the interview Michael says she is not known...I know Michael had no reasons to lie about Blanket's mother because thats his business. But, maybe they (the two michaels) didnt agree to talk about this, and thats why he slipt in that part? please dont get me wrong,(it could be the angles, make up, surgery, or that he gained weight through that period)... I love Michael, and I know he wouldnt lie about blanket's mother...no reason to...but two things may have happened...he was protecting the public figure (blanket's mother) or two michaels were interviewed...and again its just my perception, maybe Im wrong, maybe he went through surgery, or like i said before he was protecting this woman. I can't recall exactly when the words about his son were mentioned, would have to watch it completely, but I am sure he did slip up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7RDCDLLIm8

pause at 2:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxzhD6jgNIY

pause at 0:12 and compare...

there is something different about him, but I cant tell exactly what..i wish I could post pictures, but I dont know how to...

yes, i also agree with the part that he was completely different when in stage, but i guess its just part of the show...I was referring to two different individuals, though
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Re: Why the need for a hoax?

Post by michellemissesmjj on Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:28 pm

Another thing that caught my eye is that at a certain point Bashir asks Michael if Blanket's mother is a public figure, he says "yes", then at another part of the interview Michael says she is not known...


yes i noticed that when i watched the documentary when it was aired. i was unsure about that. but to be truthful i thought mj was telling a white lie but not sure which one was a lie.
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Re: Why the need for a hoax?

Post by mjthelegendlives on Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:31 pm

I think it's the same person. Only lights, make-up ect... The 1st one was in the beginning of the interview, the other was 8 months later. So, the only thing I can see is a different wig or hair..and maybe more "chubby" face but no major change.[/quote]

Ok...yes, youre right about the chubby face hehe, He looks gorgeous doesnt he? thats why I said I wasnt too sure, and it could have been his weight gain. I'm trying to put my thoughts together, and discard a decoy from 2003 Smile
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Re: Why the need for a hoax?

Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:40 pm

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Re: Why the need for a hoax?

Post by mjthelegendlives on Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:45 pm

Human_nature wrote:
Ok...yes, youre right about the chubby face hehe, He looks gorgeous doesnt he? thats why I said I wasnt too sure, and it could have been his weight gain. I'm trying to put my thoughts together, and discard a decoy from 2003 Smile

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And about Blanket, I just think it was to confused people Wink You know, it's pretty smart if you think about it. People will search in the wrong direction, and it's probably what Michael wanted. it's what i think Wink

ahh true!...but wouldnt that put him in a bad light? I know we all lie...but you know how the tabloids and media are, especially with Michael Sad
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Re: Why the need for a hoax?

Post by Guest on Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:47 pm

michellemissesmjj wrote:Another thing that caught my eye is that at a certain point Bashir asks Michael if Blanket's mother is a public figure, he says "yes", then at another part of the interview Michael says she is not known...


yes i noticed that when i watched the documentary when it was aired. i was unsure about that. but to be truthful i thought mj was telling a white lie but not sure which one was a lie.



So what, Who can blame him. He is human. Smile

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Re: Why the need for a hoax?

Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:50 pm

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Human_nature wrote:
Ok...yes, youre right about the chubby face hehe, He looks gorgeous doesnt he? thats why I said I wasnt too sure, and it could have been his weight gain. I'm trying to put my thoughts together, and discard a decoy from 2003 Smile

Wink
And about Blanket, I just think it was to confused people Wink You know, it's pretty smart if you think about it. People will search in the wrong direction, and it's probably what Michael wanted. it's what i think Wink

ahh true!...but wouldnt that put him in a bad light? I know we all lie...but you know how the tabloids and media are, especially with Michael Sad
The other option is to keep her secret and then watch as the media hound her. Not a great thing seeing as we saw what happened with Sarah Jessica Parker's surrogate mum this summer where the police were bribed to spy on the poor woman. The police officers are now facing charges because of what they did - and nobody should go through that let alone a surrogate mother who is heavily pregnant.
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Re: Why the need for a hoax?

Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:52 pm

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Re: Why the need for a hoax?

Post by mjthelegendlives on Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:15 pm

ahh true!...but wouldnt that put him in a bad light? I know we all lie...but you know how the tabloids and media are, especially with Michael Sad[/quote]
The other option is to keep her secret and then watch as the media hound her. Not a great thing seeing as we saw what happened with Sarah Jessica Parker's surrogate mum this summer where the police were bribed to spy on the poor woman. The police officers are now facing charges because of what they did - and nobody should go through that let alone a surrogate mother who is heavily pregnant.[/quote]

Yes, I agree that no one should go through that. My point is that MJ first said that the mother was a black public figure, then he said she wasn't known (actually I brought this because an idea of two Michaels crossed my mind, two different versions, and one of them messed up, but I think its just silly)...He could have just tell Bashir he wont comment on his son's mother, but he did want to answer Bashir...(lie or no lie, I dont and wont blame him either) Thats why i stated in my first comment on this thread that maybe he was trying to protect her...My real thoughts were really that he slips on his first comment about the surrogate mother and then amends it, because he wants to protect her Smile I'm sorry if you don't understand...English is not my first language. I try so hard..that's why I rarely post Embarassed
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Re: Why the need for a hoax?

Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:21 pm

mjthelegendlives wrote:ahh true!...but wouldnt that put him in a bad light? I know we all lie...but you know how the tabloids and media are, especially with Michael Sad
The other option is to keep her secret and then watch as the media hound her. Not a great thing seeing as we saw what happened with Sarah Jessica Parker's surrogate mum this summer where the police were bribed to spy on the poor woman. The police officers are now facing charges because of what they did - and nobody should go through that let alone a surrogate mother who is heavily pregnant.[/quote]

Yes, I agree that no one should go through that. My point is that MJ first said that the mother was a black public figure, then he said she wasn't known (actually I brought this because an idea of two Michaels crossed my mind, two different versions, and one of them messed up, but I think its just silly)...He could have just tell Bashir he wont comment on his son's mother, but he did want to answer Bashir...(lie or no lie, I dont and wont blame him either) Thats why i stated in my first comment on this thread that maybe he was trying to protect her...My real thoughts were really that he slips on his first comment about the surrogate mother and then amends it, because he wants to protect her Smile I'm sorry if you don't understand...English is not my first language. I try so hard..that's why I rarely post Embarassed[/quote]
I understand you perfectly - don't worry about it Very Happy Very Happy I think Michael's allowed a little white lie - everyone lies, and he did it to protect his baby and the baby mama - like you said above (highlighted).
If there are two Michaels and they didn't square up the story, that's a possibility but I think it's one Michael who slipped up and then tried to cover it up in the same interview.
The interview was so sensational that nobody remarked on the Blanket baby mama because of the allegations and that's how it got covered up.

He could have said 'No comment' or 'none of your business' to Bashir but I think Michael is unfailingly honest at times e.g. in the Private Home Movies where he says he doesn't like touring. I think he can't help but tell the truth - like children do, always honest. And afterwards he realised his slip-up and tried to cover his tracks.
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