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Post by Rach on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:48 am

Hey Guys

I just wanted to share a few thoughts with you. I know I said I wasn't going to but I need to see what others make of this.

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So tonight, there has been some rucas on the forum regarding some tapes that have been on ET where Michael was stating that he was worried for not only his life, but that of his children's as well. If you haven't seen it, here is the link to where it is.

https://mjkit.forumotion.net/breaking-news-f3/michaels-late-night-voice-mails-said-he-was-scared-for-his-life-t1686.htm

Now during this thread it was mentioned that we need to stop looking at this as a hoax and more of a conspiracy. which got me thinking of murder. Now I know where peoples minds go with that so please hear me out. Let's say that
"Michael Jackson" was murdered on June 25th for whatever reason. How would you all feel if I told you it wasn't the real Michael Jackson but a body double?

I want to cast your eye back to 5th March 2009 when Michael announced "This Is It". Now putting aside whether or not this was Michael, please take a closer listen to what is being said at that press conference. Here is the link so you can watch it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj0q7wC4lWA

I noted on MJHD a while back that I thought what was been said had a deeper meaning then was been conveyed, like Michael knew he was going away and had to think of a coded way to tell us. His exacts words are: "I love you. I really do, you have to know that. I love you so much. Really, from the bottom of my heart". While it isn't unusual for Michael to tell his fans how much he loves it, it struck me as odd that he hammered this message home to us big time. Like he wanted to say goodbye but couldn't. I believe Michael was indeed planning on hoaxing his death at this time for a number of reasons but what happened on June 25th stopped him and he wasn't able to go ahead with it.

Let's now have a closer look at La Toya. We all know how for months she has been hammering home about Michael was murdered but we all passed her off as crazy. However, she may be telling the truth. Look at this video below and tell me what you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEncEW_42Is

I'm never going to be the biggest La Toya fan but I am going to give her credit for this one. I will never know the 100% truth and this is just speculation on my part, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that Michael probably was surrounding himself with people who didn't have his best interests at heart without knowing it ,and this was his downfall. According to La Toya, Michael thought he was going to be murdered for his Beatles back catalogue. What I find odd is that in the last week the Beatles music has been all over the news for various reasons. New digitally enhanced CDs have been released and I also believe some of their music is appearing on various video games. This would mean BIG BUCKS for Michael and perhaps someone knew this? Maybe Michael did think he was going to be murdered for this and that's why he feared for his life like the above recorded calls suggest?

Now I want to come to Annie's theory for a moment. Annie stated that after the 2003 trial Michael was jaded and wanted to escape the limelight so the idea of a double came in so that he could hoax his death. Many of us are fascinated by this theory which to me suggests that we believe there may have been a real life Jack London. Now assuming Annie's theory is correct (which I believe) Jack London was living at home with Michael and his children. No-one knew of his existance except for the select few who needed to know. Annie also stated that in order to not get caught the real Michael didn't stay over during the evening at the LA mansion so no-one would catch them. I know this may sound a little far fetched but could it be possible if someone did want to murder Michael that they did in fact murder who they thought to be him, it was just the wrong person?

Meanwhile the real Michael is alive and well at an undisclosed location and is absoutley terrifed of what is going on. (I know this is a horrible thought but please stay with me). He needs to tell the LAPD about the plan to hoax his death in order from them to realise why a double was murdered but for them to co-operate with him, Michael needs to give them some help as well. He needs to go along with the idea that he was murdered so that the police can bring down whoever did this to him. In an act of desperation Michael agrees to do whatever they want, leaving behind his children and his loved ones in order to help bring the people who murdered "Michael Jackson" to justice. It would explain why there has been problems with this investigation for months and why the coronor has been so shady abut releasing the results. It could also explain the RTL video. I believe this to be real, as do many others. Let's say it is real and that is Michael Jackson visiting the coronors office. However, he is there to visit "Jack London" and to pay his respects and say goodbye to the man who literally have his life to him?

Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way and Michael's family DON'T know about any of this and they are in actual shock. I know that grief can do strange things to people and make them appear like they don't care when they in fact do. I wouldn't like to think that La Toya would make such a giant ass of herself if she wasn't 100% sure that Michael did feel he was going to be murdered. She seems so insistant and to me, when that happens it's only because the person believes with 100% conviction that they are correct. Maybe Michael is in Witness Protection and needs to remain hidden until whoever did this is brought to justice?

Again this is just a theory so please don't take what I say to be 100% true. As with all of my theories they tend to get people thinking and I hope this one will do the same. I just want to add that I don't want to comment or speculate on who I think would want to hurt Michael. You can make your own mind up on that.

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Post by suzzie on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:00 am

I believe in your theory, I honestly do but what I cannot understand is, how possible it is for Michael to involve the government? please enlighten me. I don't know the laws in the USA regarding witness protection program. Have you seen the movie eraser? do think it is close to reality? I mean simply erase someone? please let me know your opinion regarding this.
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Post by Rach on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:06 am

suzzie wrote:I believe in your theory, I honestly do but what I cannot understand is, how possible it is for Michael to involve the government? please enlighten me. I don't know the laws in the USA regarding witness protection program. Have you seen the movie eraser? do think it is close to reality? I mean simply erase someone? please let me know your opinion regarding this.

Hi Suzzie. Thanks for commenting and welcome to the forum!

I don't live in the US and I have NO law enforcement background at all. I was just stating that the LAPD have acted so shady in all of this that if Michael was planning on hoaxing his death and the double was murdered before this could happen, the police force could have bribed into helping them out so he didn't get into any trouble.

Again I don't know if my theory has any substance at all but I just think the whole thing is a little odd. Plus if someone did die on June 25th and it wasn't Michael, who was it?
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Post by Banessa on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:17 am

BRAVO!!! I think your theory is fabulous if you are going on the whole DEA and Conspiracy theory route! I listen to the videos you mentioned and to me if this is MJ being terrified for his life and his children's would make perfect sense on why he would leave and cooperate in any way he can with the authorities! Even if it meant leaving his loved ones behind for some time.

I also see your point about the "This is It" conference...His demeanor and the what he spoke (Assuming it was him) it was as if to make us understand how important it was for him at that moment that we believed and understood he really meant it. As if soon we would be going through something and his words would bring us some sort of comfort. Don't know just MHO.

I do believe that there is more to just a movie being made. Then again if this is a movie he is making sure all these conspiracies and rumors are being spread as it would make perfect sense as to what is being handed down to us and how everything is being handled (To give his movie that extra punch of Mystery) But if is not a movie and this is indeed what may be happening to him than GOD HELP US ALL! Shocked

I feel sadden by the fact that he reached out and no one seemed to care enough to help him! He was surrounded by mean spirited people who only saw $$$ as to the beatles song I have also seen a couple of commercials playing their music as backgrounds!

I think we haven't given his family the respect they deserve! Honestly if this is what is going on it would explain their bizarre behavior and them wanting to always be on the spot light as if trying to redirect everyone's attention from MJ's case investigation....I mean by contradicting each other and acting loopy all the time people stop paying attention to the real issue in the case and just rule it off as crazy because that's what they are trying to make us believe. They Love MJ and they are only trying to protect him and do what is best for him!

Okay I don't know if I made sense but great Post Rach! You always make the wheels in my head work! Suspect Love the theory/Speculations/Hypothesis! I love you


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Post by nlb on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:18 am

A political decoy is a person employed to impersonate a politician,
in order to draw attention away from the real person or to take risks
on their behalf. This can also apply to military figures, or civilians
impersonated for political/espionage purposes.
The political decoy
is an individual who has been selected because of their strong physical resemblance to the person they are impersonating. This resemblance can be strengthened by plastic surgery. Often, such decoys are trained to speak and behave like their 'target'.

I love this theory and think that a decoy/double would make total sense. We have heard may times that Michael was afraid for his life. Like it was mentioned in the other thread, it makes no sense that a man who is afraid for his life would let a doctor or anyone put him under.

This would also explain the way Katherine looked during the burial and why people were in fact sad. The less people that know the better. IMO, it could also explain why he let the kids been seen by the world for the first time-FOR THEIR SAFETY.
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Post by Rach on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:27 am

@ Banessa and nlb

Thanks so much guys! You know how much I love you and appreciate your kind words Very Happy

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Post by nlb on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:29 am

I think we haven't given his family the respect
they deserve! Honestly if this is what is going on it would explain
their bizarre behavior and them wanting to always be on the spot light
as if trying to redirect everyone's attention from MJ's case
investigation....I mean by contradicting each other and acting loopy
all the time people stop paying attention to the real issue in the case
and just rule it off as crazy because that's what they are trying to
make us believe. They Love MJ and they are only trying to protect him
and do what is best for him!

Good point about the family Banessa. Makes sense, and we all know that they have been acting weird even for the Jacksons Murder/Mystery/Conspiracy - What did happen June 25th? Icon_wink .

Makes me wonder too about Liza's statement about All hell breaking loose.

@Rach your welcome and loves ya too. xoxo Murder/Mystery/Conspiracy - What did happen June 25th? Herz
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Post by Banessa on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:58 am

[quote="nlb"]
A political decoy is a person employed to impersonate a politician,
This would also explain the way Katherine looked during the burial and why people were in fact sad. The less people that know the better. IMO, it could also explain why he let the kids been seen by the world for the first time-FOR THEIR SAFETY.
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Yes it would! The picture we all saw that day of her in the "Burial" was not of a grieving mother IMHO but of a mother who is WORRIED!!! Thanks for pointing this out. It makes sense and fits with Rach's theory!

@ Rach You are welcome! Wink
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Post by ilprincipe on Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:24 am

Hello Rach!

Your theory is interesting and could be true indeed...I think he's very smart and so
he tried to escaped from being murdered. I also think that some authorities of the
government are involved in all this. And they helped MJ and still do.
When they finally got the persons who threatened his and the kids life, then I
think he'll return.
The movie maybe was made in addition...so he killed 2 birds with one stone.

But I think that not really because of this ET online crap....they create stories just for their
ratings....I can't believe anything they want to make us believe...

We'll have to wait.....not easy when you're impatient.
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Post by iLOVEu on Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:14 am

This is possible, Rachel.

Ok, i have some things on my mind.

1. What if Michael managed to get away in time but so did Jack London?
The double is/was a human being as well, he was afraid too. maybe he was out of his mind, being afraid and they gave him something to sleep and tried to get him out of there.
Then by the time they got to the hospital, he woke up and that explains the stretcher pictures.
They told him to stay down and managed to save him.
(may i also say that in the second voice message it doesn't really sound like Michael, maybe it was the double)
In this case maybe JCC is the double? that's not important, i just thought about it.

2. What if the criminals didn't really want to kill Michael, but to kidnap him and make him sign some papers or whatever.
And they managed to put drugs into his food/drink and made him sleep only it wasn't Michael , but the double. again by the time they got there the double woke up but he had no choice.

3. What if there is some truth to that Cassandra....story and Michael has a problem with the drugs but it's just because he wasn't aware that he was taking drugs, they found a way to slip them into his food or something like that.
He managed to escape and now he has to overcome this problem. He is safer now and can use this non-credible site to talk to his fans.

Either way, i think that the reason why we get this information now is because the story is approaching the end, the police may have found the guilty ones and one way or the other, Michael will be back and will tell the truth...remember that message ("i told the truth")

Maybe the movie will be about this also. if not, i'm sure there will be a movie about it.

Michael, you have my love and may God give you strengh and faith!
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Post by EarthAngel90 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:16 am

OMG ... Rach ... Mindblow ... I though of it as a conspiracy from the beginning maybe 5 days after his "death" ..... you could be right from the start .... this doesn't sound like a hoax ....
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Post by PinkLizard on Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:36 am

Hey Princess Rach, I'm back!!!

I think your theory is not only believable but also very probable. It's been obvious to us for a long time that this is a situation with many complicated factors. If we look at all the facts then the 'movie' theory cannot stand alone. I think that what you have discussed could explain a lot!

One day we will know the truth and when we do we will all say 'of course, why didn't we notice that?!' lol!

love ya xoxox
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Post by DreamsComeTrue on Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:40 am

Hi Rach!

I like your theory (most parts of it), it might be true...
But I have one quesion...(Don't answer if you don't want, it's ok!)

Do you really think Michael would utilize a sick person for his own benefits? Do you think he would let his double die in his place?

I'm sorry, But this is what's bothering me most! For me, that's not Michael anymore! So that's why I don't believe he would do that!

Just my opinion...
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:32 am

These phone messages have confirmed most definately that something FAR more sinister is taking place. I also believe that we're NOT suppose to know what happened. I think someone, maybe MJ himself possibly is feeding the media with the stories they are telling us....ON PURPOSE. To point us in the wrong direction.

I know MJ is/was in danger and Im now wondering if he will even come back. If keeping his kids safe meant he had to go into hiding alone to keep them alive then I think he would do it. I think he wouldnt want them to be "hidden away".

I do think he IS reading what we say and watching the TV. When he sees fit, he tells whoever to "go ahead and tell the media this" ....He has nothing but time on his hands...its not like he's out jogging on the beach or playing tennis.

I really think we need to be careful here, because if what we're doing is putting him in more danger then we need to seriously think about it. I dont think I could live with myself if anything happened to him as a result of our posts here.

I am flooded with emotions right now and I dont know what to do. Im angry at the people who didnt help him. Im crying cus Im worried and scared for him and his kids. Im confused because I dont know what the F*** is going on...everything is a whirlwind.

And could someone PLEASE enlighten me on whp the hell the Illuminati are and HOW IN THE HELLMJ got involved with them??????
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Post by MiaPaparazzi on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:18 am

suzzie wrote:I believe in your theory, I honestly do but what I cannot understand is, how possible it is for Michael to involve the government? please enlighten me. I don't know the laws in the USA regarding witness protection program. Have you seen the movie eraser? do think it is close to reality? I mean simply erase someone? please let me know your opinion regarding this.

Yes. In the gov't here, if you know the "right" people, ANYTHING can happen. Shady? Yes. But there are too many crooked politicians on Capital Hill, IMO.
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Post by Rach on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:23 am

DreamsComeTrue wrote:Hi Rach!

I like your theory (most parts of it), it might be true...
But I have one quesion...(Don't answer if you don't want, it's ok!)

Do you really think Michael would utilize a sick person for his own benefits? Do you think he would let his double die in his place?

I'm sorry, But this is what's bothering me most! For me, that's not Michael anymore! So that's why I don't believe he would do that!

Just my opinion...

Hey Chick,

Thanks for the reply! I hear what you're saying but unlike Annie's theory I don't believe that the double was sick. I think Michael hired a double for anothr reason (most likely to attend events and things for him while he planned the hoax).

I don't believe he would utilize a sick person to get what he wanted, and as I said this is just a theory and TBH most probably BS!!!
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:28 am

Michael also could have utilized a double in public because he was afraid of being killed.
And if this is true there is no way in hell he would willingly go on stage for a concert in front of thousands of people and risk being blown away...sorry for the bluntness but think about it.

MJ is scared to death for his life and he is gonna go on stage where he cant see the crowd or who is ready to take him out? I dont think so. You would put a double in his place to take that chance...MJ would not allow someone to be him on stage so I dont think he ever intended to do these shows at all.

Thats what the Secret Service does for the Pres. They are willing to take a bullet and DIE for the president.

I know what I just said is harsh but I didnt know how else to put it.
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Post by queenpanther55 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:30 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:These phone messages have confirmed most definately that something FAR more sinister is taking place. I also believe that we're NOT suppose to know what happened. I think someone, maybe MJ himself possibly is feeding the media with the stories they are telling us....ON PURPOSE. To point us in the wrong direction.

I know MJ is/was in danger and Im now wondering if he will even come back. If keeping his kids safe meant he had to go into hiding alone to keep them alive then I think he would do it. I think he wouldnt want them to be "hidden away".

I do think he IS reading what we say and watching the TV. When he sees fit, he tells whoever to "go ahead and tell the media this" ....He has nothing but time on his hands...its not like he's out jogging on the beach or playing tennis.

I really think we need to be careful here, because if what we're doing is putting him in more danger then we need to seriously think about it. I dont think I could live with myself if anything happened to him as a result of our posts here.

I am flooded with emotions right now and I dont know what to do. Im angry at the people who didnt help him. Im crying cus Im worried and scared for him and his kids. Im confused because I dont know what the F*** is going on...everything is a whirlwind.

And could someone PLEASE enlighten me on whp the hell the Illuminati are and HOW IN THE HELLMJ got involved with them??????

Im sorry BUT the ILLUMINATI thing is way to deep that some becomes obsessed about it.
Thats how it works when you are dealing with it.
When your FAITH in heaven is not strong,
You're falling under that belief. Which is not good by the way.
MJ likes to read the Bible and like to copy the works of the Creator.
If you are a believer I guess you know where to stand. MJ Im sure is.
When Im visiting this thread, I worry for some who think too much of the situation.
Although, It manage the time and effort of what you chose to believe but there are some who really goes beyond.
I think MJ wont be happy to hear if thats the case.
Stay still guys, Its good to really work on your brains but please not too much.
If were all having fun here, I think its FINE, but for others who worked very very hard
Please be aware that there's LIFE AFTER MJ.
He loves the FANS very very much,
He doesnt want you all to get exhausted.
He wants you to believe what your heart says..
For me, thats the most healthy way to recover.
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Post by MiaPaparazzi on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:33 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:These phone messages have confirmed most definately that something FAR more sinister is taking place. I also believe that we're NOT suppose to know what happened. I think someone, maybe MJ himself possibly is feeding the media with the stories they are telling us....ON PURPOSE. To point us in the wrong direction.

I know MJ is/was in danger and Im now wondering if he will even come back. If keeping his kids safe meant he had to go into hiding alone to keep them alive then I think he would do it. I think he wouldnt want them to be "hidden away".

I do think he IS reading what we say and watching the TV. When he sees fit, he tells whoever to "go ahead and tell the media this" ....He has nothing but time on his hands...its not like he's out jogging on the beach or playing tennis.

I really think we need to be careful here, because if what we're doing is putting him in more danger then we need to seriously think about it. I dont think I could live with myself if anything happened to him as a result of our posts here.

I am flooded with emotions right now and I dont know what to do. Im angry at the people who didnt help him. Im crying cus Im worried and scared for him and his kids. Im confused because I dont know what the F*** is going on...everything is a whirlwind.

And could someone PLEASE enlighten me on whp the hell the Illuminati are and HOW IN THE HELLMJ got involved with them??????

The illuminati have control over everything media, entertainment industry, etc. They believe in the "new world order" and are said to work behind the scenes so to speak, using subliminal messaging thru images and music and their goal is to basically turn the world into one "community" (and NOT a nice one either). Think about the push in the US for "universal health care". It isn't cuz no one has health care, or cuz it"costs" too much and we DO have family assistance programs where your family can receive free health care already. I know, we were on it when my oldest was born. IMO, its a step toward making all of this happen. The H1N1 virus is said to be a method they are using to control population, which, from what reports say, Michael wanted to speak out against. The vaccine isn't what it appears to be.

The Illuminati is so deep its scary. Rockefeller is one of the names said to be involved, and surprise surprise... he is a polititian... There is sooooo much more behind it, but that is kinda summarizing how MJ is involved in a way. He did not want to be, but was not aware of the "control" they really have. Remember the Dixie Chicks controversy? It was not brought on because they spoke out against these people... THEY did it to them. If you google it all or look it up on youtube you can learn more. Thats how I found out about them. I had no clue til a few months ago that there really is a dark underworld...
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:36 am

queenpanther55 wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:These phone messages have confirmed most definately that something FAR more sinister is taking place. I also believe that we're NOT suppose to know what happened. I think someone, maybe MJ himself possibly is feeding the media with the stories they are telling us....ON PURPOSE. To point us in the wrong direction.

I know MJ is/was in danger and Im now wondering if he will even come back. If keeping his kids safe meant he had to go into hiding alone to keep them alive then I think he would do it. I think he wouldnt want them to be "hidden away".

I do think he IS reading what we say and watching the TV. When he sees fit, he tells whoever to "go ahead and tell the media this" ....He has nothing but time on his hands...its not like he's out jogging on the beach or playing tennis.

I really think we need to be careful here, because if what we're doing is putting him in more danger then we need to seriously think about it. I dont think I could live with myself if anything happened to him as a result of our posts here.

I am flooded with emotions right now and I dont know what to do. Im angry at the people who didnt help him. Im crying cus Im worried and scared for him and his kids. Im confused because I dont know what the F*** is going on...everything is a whirlwind.

And could someone PLEASE enlighten me on whp the hell the Illuminati are and HOW IN THE HELLMJ got involved with them??????

Im sorry BUT the ILLUMINATI thing is way to deep that some becomes obsessed about it.
Thats how it works when you are dealing with it.
When your FAITH in heaven is not strong,
You're falling under that belief. Which is not good by the way.
MJ likes to read the Bible and like to copy the works of the Creator.
If you are a believer I guess you know where to stand. MJ Im sure is.
When Im visiting this thread, I worry for some who think too much of the situation.
Although, It manage the time and effort of what you chose to believe but there are some who really goes beyond.
I think MJ wont be happy to hear if thats the case.
Stay still guys, Its good to really work on your brains but please not too much.
If were all having fun here, I think its FINE, but for others who worked very very hard
Please be aware that there's LIFE AFTER MJ.
He loves the FANS very very much,
He doesnt want you all to get exhausted.
He wants you to believe what your heart says..
For me, thats the most healthy way to recover.

You are correct. I do believe in god...very much so. Im just trying to u nderstand what the heck is going on with MJ. We have been picking at everythig for almost 3 months and we've come up with ZERO.
I dont ven know who/what the Illuminati are/is...Ive asked and no one seems to want to tell me or why MJ was involved with them.
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Post by annieisnotokey on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:38 am

RACHEL!!!

All I can say is WOW!!!

You and me together (with the help of the brilliant minds of this Forum) can literally take over the world!!!
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Post by Rach on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:44 am

@ Annie, Murder/Mystery/Conspiracy - What did happen June 25th? Lol girl, yes we could indeed!

@ The Jacksonologist, I know what you mean Hon. I have asked also and no-one seems to want to tell me. Although there was a woman on MJHD a while back who wanted to tell me but I will admit I got a bit freaked and told her to stop telling me!!

I really do believe that something quite sinister could be going on here Sad
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Post by annieisnotokey on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:44 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
I know MJ is/was in danger and Im now wondering if he will even come back. If keeping his kids safe meant he had to go into hiding alone to keep them alive then I think he would do it. I think he wouldnt want them to be "hidden away".

You just made me think about something that I thought was wrong all along and now makes perfect sense.
I was a bit p*ssed of at the family for exposing his children's faces so much after MJ spent years protecting them from the public eye.

But actually, the family is protecting them by exposing them. The world at large knows how they look like now and they feel sympathetic because their daddy is gone. In a way, the public eye is looking after them.

By exposing them, it's become harder to target them. Let's say they are at a mall and somebody tries to kidnap them. Everybody knows now these children are MJ's so 911 would be ringing off the hook.

We are all Prince, Paris & Blanket's moms and dads now.

I hope I explained myself properly.
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Post by ilprincipe on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:47 am

annieisnotokey wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
I know MJ is/was in danger and Im now wondering if he will even come back. If keeping his kids safe meant he had to go into hiding alone to keep them alive then I think he would do it. I think he wouldnt want them to be "hidden away".



We are all Prince, Paris & Blanket's moms and dads now.

I hope I explained myself properly.

That's cute and I understand....but I wish they would have their real daddy who
could care for them *sigh*
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Post by Rach on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:51 am

annieisnotokey wrote:You just made me think about something that I thought was wrong all along and now makes perfect sense.
I was a bit p*ssed of at the family for exposing his children's faces so much after MJ spent years protecting them from the public eye.

But actually, the family is protecting them by exposing them. The world at large knows how they look like now and they feel sympathetic because their daddy is gone. In a way, the public eye is looking after them.

By exposing them, it's become harder to target them. Let's say they are at a mall and somebody tries to kidnap them. Everybody knows now these children are MJ's so 911 would be ringing off the hook.

We are all Prince, Paris & Blanket's moms and dads now.

I hope I explained myself properly.

Once again Babes you are on target!

I think this is VERY plausible and fits right in with what Bec said as well. Michael had NO choice but to show the world his beautiful babies. He has to protect them but also show the world they are HIS so if anything like the above does happen people will take it very seriously.

I feel so emotional right now and feel like I have opened up a big ass can of worms!
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Post by annieisnotokey on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:51 am

ilprincipe wrote:
That's cute and I understand....but I wish they would have their real daddy who
could care for them *sigh*

So do I...
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:57 am

MiaPaparazzi wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:These phone messages have confirmed most definately that something FAR more sinister is taking place. I also believe that we're NOT suppose to know what happened. I think someone, maybe MJ himself possibly is feeding the media with the stories they are telling us....ON PURPOSE. To point us in the wrong direction.

I know MJ is/was in danger and Im now wondering if he will even come back. If keeping his kids safe meant he had to go into hiding alone to keep them alive then I think he would do it. I think he wouldnt want them to be "hidden away".

I do think he IS reading what we say and watching the TV. When he sees fit, he tells whoever to "go ahead and tell the media this" ....He has nothing but time on his hands...its not like he's out jogging on the beach or playing tennis.

I really think we need to be careful here, because if what we're doing is putting him in more danger then we need to seriously think about it. I dont think I could live with myself if anything happened to him as a result of our posts here.

I am flooded with emotions right now and I dont know what to do. Im angry at the people who didnt help him. Im crying cus Im worried and scared for him and his kids. Im confused because I dont know what the F*** is going on...everything is a whirlwind.

And could someone PLEASE enlighten me on whp the hell the Illuminati are and HOW IN THE HELLMJ got involved with them??????

The illuminati have control over everything media, entertainment industry, etc. They believe in the "new world order" and are said to work behind the scenes so to speak, using subliminal messaging thru images and music and their goal is to basically turn the world into one "community" (and NOT a nice one either). Think about the push in the US for "universal health care". It isn't cuz no one has health care, or cuz it"costs" too much and we DO have family assistance programs where your family can receive free health care already. I know, we were on it when my oldest was born. IMO, its a step toward making all of this happen. The H1N1 virus is said to be a method they are using to control population, which, from what reports say, Michael wanted to speak out against. The vaccine isn't what it appears to be.

The Illuminati is so deep its scary. Rockefeller is one of the names said to be involved, and surprise surprise... he is a polititian... There is sooooo much more behind it, but that is kinda summarizing how MJ is involved in a way. He did not want to be, but was not aware of the "control" they really have. Remember the Dixie Chicks controversy? It was not brought on because they spoke out against these people... THEY did it to them. If you google it all or look it up on youtube you can learn more. Thats how I found out about them. I had no clue til a few months ago that there really is a dark underworld...

Well let me just say, that in South Carolina, where I live, I cannot get health care AT ALL. I cant afford it through my job and the state wont even consider you if you dont have kids...which I do not have. Its unfair to hell. But Im AGAINST the healthcare issue 100%. I dont want to get into a political debate...I have my reasons why I dont want it.
So in essence if I have to go to the dr for a cold, I cant afford to go....Im screwed.

And I never planned on getting the swine flu shot. Ive heard things baout it myself.

Thank you for your insight!!
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:58 am

What about the dixie Chicks?
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Post by annieisnotokey on Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:01 am

Rach wrote:
I feel so emotional right now and feel like I have opened up a big ass can of worms!

Don't feel sad. This sh*t was going on anyway, only unbeknownst to us.
You didn't bring this on MJ or us, so there's no need to feel guilty or upset.
If anything, this we'll make us more aware of certain things that go on in the world.
And maybe (and just maybe) we can figure something out that can help MJ.
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:20 am

annieisnotokey wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
I know MJ is/was in danger and Im now wondering if he will even come back. If keeping his kids safe meant he had to go into hiding alone to keep them alive then I think he would do it. I think he wouldnt want them to be "hidden away".

You just made me think about something that I thought was wrong all along and now makes perfect sense.
I was a bit p*ssed of at the family for exposing his children's faces so much after MJ spent years protecting them from the public eye.

But actually, the family is protecting them by exposing them. The world at large knows how they look like now and they feel sympathetic because their daddy is gone. In a way, the public eye is looking after them.

By exposing them, it's become harder to target them. Let's say they are at a mall and somebody tries to kidnap them. Everybody knows now these children are MJ's so 911 would be ringing off the hook.

We are all Prince, Paris & Blanket's moms and dads now.

I hope I explained myself properly.

That is the sweetest thing Ive heard in a long time!! OMG!!!It brought a tear to my eye!!


@Rach. Im really kinda worried now ya know? I mean WTF is going on for real?
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Post by queenpanther55 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:21 am

You are correct. I do believe in god...very much so. Im just trying to u nderstand what the heck is going on with MJ. We have been picking at everythig for almost 3 months and we've come up with ZERO.
I dont ven know who/what the Illuminati are/is...Ive asked and no one seems to want to tell me or why MJ was involved with them.[/quote]

That IM TELLING YOU WHAT ILLUMINATI IS ALL ABOUT.
When you become curious about it.. You want to deal with it.
It becomes an obsession..

As for me, Its like were all watching tv series now. CSI for example or HEROes or whatever. We look forward to whats the next series will be and how its gonna end. But as we keep watching the series, we tend to realized were not finding the right answers to our clues.
Because WE THINK TOO MUCH.
In reality, we dont have the real tools to investigate what had happened. We have noone as insiders to help us digest the information as valid.
we only hope one day, someone will show up and validate that MJ is alive. But Who?
Stick to "THIS IS IT". It was a powerful words of MJ.
When He died June 25th.. I then understand why "THIS IS IT".

Whatever theories we have in mind, its very fascinating because we all agree in one thing..
HE IS ALIVE.
Id rather stick to it. Id rather let go. Id rather face the distance that MJ is out there very very happy.
I will no longer investigate.
If LAPD, FBI or whatever cant justify the current..
What power do I have to know where HE is and what had happened?
Well, He is MJ he wants to be remembered of his talents.

LOL. Dont think too much.
MJ will be hurt..
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Post by Rach on Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:23 am

@ The Jacksonologist,

I know what you mean Hon but I do think it's important we look at this from all angles and we knew there was always the possibility we would uncover something that we didn't like.

I am still hoping and praying for the best and I do believe Michael is alive but I no longer feel it's a case of hoaxing his death. As I stated in my theory I think he was planning to do this but on June 25th something we can't even imagine stopped him from doing so.
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:26 am

Rach wrote:@ The Jacksonologist,

I know what you mean Hon but I do think it's important we look at this from all angles and we knew there was always the possibility we would uncover something that we didn't like.

I am still hoping and praying for the best and I do believe Michael is alive but I no longer feel it's a case of hoaxing his death. As I stated in my theory I think he was planning to do this but on June 25th something we can't even imagine stopped him from doing so.

If he didnt hoax his death, then what DID he do? DO you think he was maybe kidnapped?
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Post by Rach on Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:29 am

I didn't think that until someone's post above planted that seed in my mind but it could be possible. At this point anything is.

I think the double was murdered and Michael had to get the hell out of there.
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Post by MiaPaparazzi on Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:50 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:What about the dixie Chicks?

In a nutshell, they spoke out against the war and the ex-president. The Bushes are connected to the Freemasons/Illuminati. "Shortly thereafter, the U.S. media picked up the story and controversy erupted."
It also "led to accusations of the three women being un-American, as well as hate mail, death threats, and the destruction of their albums in protest." The Illuminati is known to attack the integrity and character of those who try to take a stand (look up the MJ molestation charges/Illuminati connection, you will see where I am going with this.) Like I said before, THEY run so deep its hard to explain... but shortly after the DC released "Not Ready To Make Nice", won a Grammy then retired, basically "redeeming" themselves with some of the public and then getting the heck out of the industry, probably for the sake of their kids...


This is the song they released...

Not Ready To Make Nice lyrics

Forgive, sounds good
Forget, I’m not sure I could
They say time heals everything
But I’m still waiting

I’m through with doubt
There’s nothing left for me to figure out
I’ve paid a price
And I’ll keep paying


I’m not ready to make nice
I’m not ready to back down
I’m still mad as hell and
I don’t have time to go round and round and round
It’s too late to make it right
I probably wouldn’t if I could
‘Cause I’m mad as hell
Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I should

I know you said
Can’t you just get over it
It turned my whole world around
And I kind of like it

I made my bed and I sleep like a baby
With no regrets and I don’t mind sayin’
It’s a sad sad story when a mother will teach her
Daughter that she ought to hate a perfect stranger
And how in the world can the words that I said
Send somebody so over the edge
That they’d write me a letter
Sayin’ that I better shut up and sing
Or my life will be over


I’m not ready to make nice
I’m not ready to back down
I’m still mad as hell and
I don’t have time to go round and round and round
It’s too late to make it right
I probably wouldn’t if I could
‘Cause I’m mad as hell
Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I should

I’m not ready to make nice
I’m not ready to back down
I’m still mad as hell and
I don’t have time to go round and round and round
It’s too late to make it right
I probably wouldn’t if I could
‘Cause I’m mad as hell
Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I should

Forgive, sounds good
Forget, I’m not sure I could
They say time heals everything
But I’m still waiting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks#Political_controversy
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Post by nlb on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:23 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
I know MJ is/was in danger and Im now wondering if he will even come back. If keeping his kids safe meant he had to go into hiding alone to keep them alive then I think he would do it. I think he wouldnt want them to be "hidden away".

You just made me think about something that I thought was wrong all along and now makes perfect sense.
I was a bit p*ssed of at the family for exposing his children's faces so much after MJ spent years protecting them from the public eye.

But actually, the family is protecting them by exposing them. The world at large knows how they look like now and they feel sympathetic because their daddy is gone. In a way, the public eye is looking after them.

By exposing them, it's become harder to target them. Let's say they are at a mall and somebody tries to kidnap them. Everybody knows now these children are MJ's so 911 would be ringing off the hook.

We are all Prince, Paris & Blanket's moms and dads now.

I hope I explained myself properly.

Totally agree with you on this Annie. I briefly mentioned it in my above post, but didn't go into the details my brain was tired-lol. You explained it wonderfully Murder/Mystery/Conspiracy - What did happen June 25th? Icon_smile . I think this makes perfect sense as to why he exposed the kids after all the years he hid them so well. Between the photos, the memorial, and leaked home videos there probably isn't a fan or nonfan for that matter that doesn't know what the kids look like now.

As usual MJ plans down to last little detail
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Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:39 pm

Queenpanther55, I agree:
<table border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><tr><td colSpan=2>Stay still guys, Its good to really work on your brains but please not too much.
If were all having fun here, I think its FINE, but for others who worked very very hard
Please be aware that there's LIFE AFTER MJ.
He loves the FANS very very much,
He doesnt want you all to get exhausted.
He wants you to believe what your heart says..
For me, thats the most healthy way to recover.
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("Stay still guys, Its good to really work on your brains but please not too much.
If were all having fun here, I think its FINE, but for others who worked very very hard
Please be aware that there's LIFE AFTER MJ.
He loves the FANS very very much,
He doesnt want you all to get exhausted.
He wants you to believe what your heart says.."

:~ The Truth Is In Your HEART ~:



<table border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><tr><td colSpan=2>Stay still guys, Its good to really work on your brains but please not too much.
If were all having fun here, I think its FINE, but for others who worked very very hard
Please be aware that there's LIFE AFTER MJ.
He loves the FANS very very much,
He doesnt want you all to get exhausted.
He wants you to believe what your heart says..
For me, thats the most healthy way to recover.
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<table border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><tr><td colSpan=2>Stay still guys, Its good to really work on your brains but please not too much.
If were all having fun here, I think its FINE, but for others who worked very very hard
Please be aware that there's LIFE AFTER MJ.
He loves the FANS very very much,
He doesnt want you all to get exhausted.
He wants you to believe what your heart says..
For me, thats the most healthy way to recover.
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Post by GirlInTheMirror1 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:42 pm

Hey Rachel,
your theory is a good one, because it was one of the things I thought could be true. Not that I say I thought so much about this, but you might be right.
Which would mean that, if Mj is in some kind of protection, he might never come back or after some period of time.
What is bothering me is, if we are pushing too hard? Could our investigations be a hazard for his security?
I hope not.
But thanks for posting this Rachel! Smile
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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:54 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
I know MJ is/was in danger and Im now wondering if he will even come back. If keeping his kids safe meant he had to go into hiding alone to keep them alive then I think he would do it. I think he wouldnt want them to be "hidden away".

You just made me think about something that I thought was wrong all along and now makes perfect sense.
I was a bit p*ssed of at the family for exposing his children's faces so much after MJ spent years protecting them from the public eye.

But actually, the family is protecting them by exposing them. The world at large knows how they look like now and they feel sympathetic because their daddy is gone. In a way, the public eye is looking after them.

By exposing them, it's become harder to target them. Let's say they are at a mall and somebody tries to kidnap them. Everybody knows now these children are MJ's so 911 would be ringing off the hook.

We are all Prince, Paris & Blanket's moms and dads now.

I hope I explained myself properly.

That is the sweetest thing Ive heard in a long time!! OMG!!!It brought a tear to my eye!!


@Rach. Im really kinda worried now ya know? I mean WTF is going on for real?

To see you write that about the children, brings so much joy to my heart. Thank you so much. You have no idea what this means to me. Thank you

Promise me you will protect the babies. They need it. Pray for them, I know I do every night. Protect them whenever someone is trashing them or their father.

I will never stop protecting them. They are so beautiful, how can you not love them? Im just so exhausted, so if im not able to pray for them one night, I hope someone else is?

They need it
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Post by Rach on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:58 pm

Guys - I just wanted to say a MASSIVE thank you to all of those who PMed me and said how much you loved the theory and contributed your thoughts to it.

Your kind words mean so much to me Smile
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Post by annieisnotokey on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:01 pm

MyBelovedMJ wrote:
Promise me you will protect the babies. They need it. Pray for them, I know I do every night. Protect them whenever someone is trashing them or their father.
Im just so exhausted, so if im not able to pray for them one night, I hope someone else is?
They need it

I will. We all will. Don't even worry about it. You just concentrate on getting better. I love you
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Post by Ilovemjstill on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:01 pm

Hello Rachel, first I would just like to say that you have a wonderful theory. Also I would like to say that I hope that we are not putting Michael, but I do not think we are. I hope not anyway. You theory is one of many that are good on here.


The key to change.....is to let go fear.
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Post by MJJ Love on Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:10 pm

Wow, Rach,
We really have some literaries on our hands here.
Simply amazing theories that both you and Annie have come up with.

It's really thought provoking and they all make sense and I can see how this maybe would have happened. Sad
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Post by NikkiKat22 on Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:18 pm

Rachel and annie, you did it again! I'm so proud of you Murder/Mystery/Conspiracy - What did happen June 25th? Icon_biggrin I have been thinking about this theory since the beginning. Though I thought different people were involved. I have to say, you theory make a hell of a lot more sense then mine. Keep them coming girls! Murder/Mystery/Conspiracy - What did happen June 25th? Icon_cheers
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Post by beachgirl on Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:24 pm

Rachel I think this theory is very possible.
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Post by mommy on Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:10 am

... I rarely talk with anybody outside this forum about MJ, but last week my mom brought it up... and we actually came to the same conclusion - also because of the way the family has reacted to all of this.

Rach, I think you might be on the right track here. Way to go girl... Murder/Mystery/Conspiracy - What did happen June 25th? Icon_bounce
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Post by GirlSaturday on Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:53 am

A non-believer of the hoax...told me that he has always believed that MJ was murdered. His basis for the belief is that MJ is worth more dead than alive. Ouch...it hurt to hear that statement. He went into detail and pointed at all of the tributes aimed at MJ. People stand to make millions because of MJ's new-found popularity. I believe that MJ is alive. My friend believes that he is dead. We agree to disagree.
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Post by Rach on Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:16 am

GirlSaturday wrote:A non-believer of the hoax...told me that he has always believed that MJ was murdered. His basis for the belief is that MJ is worth more dead than alive. Ouch...it hurt to hear that statement. He went into detail and pointed at all of the tributes aimed at MJ. People stand to make millions because of MJ's new-found popularity. I believe that MJ is alive. My friend believes that he is dead. We agree to disagree.

I have this same conversation with my Mum on a daily basis. She also thinks Michael was murdered because he was worth more dead than alive.

I put this theory together in about 30 minutes at 6am the other morning after some evidence came to light on another thread but I am now starting to lean more towards a murder actually taking place.

I know it's sad and heartbreaking to think about but that's where all the "evidence" seems to be leading us now.

I just pray that I am wrong.

BTW I don't mean the murder of Michael!
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Post by annieisnotokey on Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:38 am

Rach wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:A non-believer of the hoax...told me that he has always believed that MJ was murdered. His basis for the belief is that MJ is worth more dead than alive. Ouch...it hurt to hear that statement. He went into detail and pointed at all of the tributes aimed at MJ. People stand to make millions because of MJ's new-found popularity. I believe that MJ is alive. My friend believes that he is dead. We agree to disagree.

I have this same conversation with my Mum on a daily basis. She also thinks Michael was murdered because he was worth more dead than alive.

I put this theory together in about 30 minutes at 6am the other morning after some evidence came to light on another thread but I am now starting to lean more towards a murder actually taking place.

I know it's sad and heartbreaking to think about but that's where all the "evidence" seems to be leading us now.

I just pray that I am wrong.

BTW I don't mean the murder of Michael!

Oh, Rachel!
We are sooo on the same page.
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Post by Rach on Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:42 am

We really are!

I guess I now own a quarter of yor brain!
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