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Post by summer+sc3nt on Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:43 am

Human_nature wrote:ok, about religions, I've been raised catholic. But now, I have no religion. I'm not atheist, I'm very spiritual, but I have my own beliefs Smile

I still love reading, I'm curious and I read about everything. Religions are like history books for me.

What you wrote here is very interesting Smile

Here, a link I think you may like Smile

http://www.opednews.com/leupp_071904_revelations.htm

Many informations about The book of revelations there Smile

I am Catholic by birth then it later years I followed my Dad's footsteps and became spiritual more than religious. I love reading too and respect all religions. Thank you for the link... Checking it out now.
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Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:46 am

You're welcome Smile
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Post by summer+sc3nt on Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:48 am

Human_nature wrote:You're welcome Smile

Very Happy You're welcome too.. That is an interesting read and I'm gonna bookmark it. It beats going to the store to buy one lol... cheers
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Post by mjjforever72 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:03 am

thank you human_nature for that link it was helpful but I got something here that I copied from it and wanted to share it with you guys so ok here it goes. On the other forum I remember someone posted a topic about michael and the facination with the number 7 hope you guys would remember that topic ( I HOPE YOU DO ) well anyways I don't know if this makes any sence but like i said i copied this part of that article that nature gave the link to and it kinda freaked me out or maybe i'am going nuts and going off track with this but here you read for yourself please;


---for example, by supporting administration actions in the Middle East believing they portend the Second Coming.

It's easy to understand Luther's doubts about the Book of Revelation. It is filled with kabbalism, symbolic use of numbers, such as the number seven (as in, the seven hills of Rome, the seven Roman emperors from Augustus, the seven churches of Asia to whom the work is addressed); and that number striking fear into some hearts: 666. Revelation makes no reference to the Trinity, but rather to "seven spirits of God" and to Jesus as an emanation of God, subordinate to him although present from the dawn of time. The book's theology is hard to reconcile with the rest of the New Testament, which was still taking shape; it stands apart. Jesus in Revelation is not meek and mild but brutally vengeful upon his return---the second earthly appearance predicted in Matthew 25, Luke 21, John 16 etc.
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Post by summer+sc3nt on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:03 am

Refering to the link provided by "Human_Nature's".. What I've read thus far.. makes me think of some of Michael's songs. There could be a connection here. Songs like "Man In The Mirror", "Scream", "Stranger In Moscow"... and maybe there are more. I hope I'm not over reacting. study
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Post by mjjforever72 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:06 am

It just got to me because of what someone posted in the main forum not this back up one and i don't know if you read it on the other forum but if you did you will understand why Smile
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Post by summer+sc3nt on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:10 am

mjjforever72 wrote:thank you human_nature for that link it was helpful but I got something here that I copied from it and wanted to share it with you guys so ok here it goes. On the other forum I remember someone posted a topic about michael and the facination with the number 7 hope you guys would remember that topic ( I HOPE YOU DO ) well anyways I don't know if this makes any sence but like i said i copied this part of that article that nature gave the link to and it kinda freaked me out or maybe i'am going nuts and going off track with this but here you read for yourself please;


---for example, by supporting administration actions in the Middle East believing they portend the Second Coming.

It's easy to understand Luther's doubts about the Book of Revelation. It is filled with kabbalism, symbolic use of numbers, such as the number seven (as in, the seven hills of Rome, the seven Roman emperors from Augustus, the seven churches of Asia to whom the work is addressed); and that number striking fear into some hearts: 666. Revelation makes no reference to the Trinity, but rather to "seven spirits of God" and to Jesus as an emanation of God, subordinate to him although present from the dawn of time. The book's theology is hard to reconcile with the rest of the New Testament, which was still taking shape; it stands apart. Jesus in Revelation is not meek and mild but brutally vengeful upon his return---the second earthly appearance predicted in Matthew 25, Luke 21, John 16 etc.

Yes I was just reading that.. and I do soooooooooo remember the number 7. It was mentioned by Shouza. I specifically remembers it coz numbers plays an important role in where I live. Lets look more into this stuff my new friend.. No matter what others may say, you'll always have me by your side.
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Post by Human_nature on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:11 am

no I don't read anymore on the other forum mjjforever ...
But I noticed many things in what I read (link I gave you) Wink

And I'm glad you found some good infos there Smile
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Post by mjjforever72 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:21 am

Thank you my friend Smile that means alot to me Smile and thank u so much nature again for the link Smile
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Post by summer+sc3nt on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:27 am

mjjforever72 wrote: The book's theology is hard to reconcile with the rest of the New Testament, which was still taking shape; it stands apart. Jesus in Revelation is not meek and mild but brutally vengeful upon his return---the second earthly appearance predicted in Matthew 25, Luke 21, John 16 etc.

This sentence so reminds me of what Marlon Jackson said during the Memorial... "How much can one take being ridicule". Maybe after the resurrection he'll not stand for nonsense by the Media. That can be called vengeful too. I'm sorry but I'm gonna say this... I'm a spiritual person and if you believe in buddhism too then you'll believe in reincarnation. I think Michael may be a reincarnation of Jesus or more like since he too tried to heal the world. Hence, when he does make a comeback he might not be so soft on the Media. Well, his kids are growing up he'll need to be less soft if he wants to protect them. In this way he'll help many that have been bullied by the Media. Be vengeful in order to be kind to others. Moreover I do believe by doing so... he's helping to heal the world and people will begin to open their eyes to the sufferings of the world.

I've bookmarked the link Human-nature posted and going to read it some more and see if I can see more into what is written in the revelation. Thank you mjjforever72 for opening my eyes to the Book of Revelation. Thank you again Human_nature for the link. it does wonders.

Check this link out..

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce10.html


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Post by mjjforever72 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:53 am

Ya after what he has been through I would too be alittle more harder on the media and not take any crap off of them. I'm spiritual myself as well i do believe reincarnation. Ya even in our normal part of life us too who ever has children we must do whatever it takes to protect them no matter what. I have 5 children so I know you can't be always so soft as i use to more softer in the past i even say to myself at times that i can't be to soft or sencitive i got to be more stronger. I know what your saying about being more vengeful in order to be kind to others and that was my problem it seemed to me the more i was kind to others the more they threw dirt in my face or like getting stabed in the back. I know there is to much suffering in this world, why people can't love instead of hate, why does there have to be racisim sorry if i spelt that wrong, why does there have to be war, why does people on the other side of the world have to starve etc....... i know i'm doing my part for few i'm sponcering a child, i've always believe to love one another and not to hate. I never hate no one but as i say i feel sorry for them that they have to be the way they are to me its really sad, thats just the way i'am, have love in your heart for everyone but feel sorry for the ones that don't feel that same kind of love that should be in this world. Your very wellcome my friend Smile
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Post by mjjforever72 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:55 am

Ya I tried to look for that thread on the 7's but i can't find it now not unless they deleted it but if i find it nature i will copy it and put it here for you to read Smile
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Post by summer+sc3nt on Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:16 am

Yes dear friend... I've a friend like you on my other social site. She is from NY and she is nice to people around her. She got stepped on for being that. People take her for granted. They treated her like in one of Michael's song, Black or White

Don't Tell Me You Agree With Me
When I Saw You Kicking Dirt In My Eye


I'm not saying to be cruel to people but there is a limit in taking bullcrap from people lol... In a way Michael is like an angel for not taking heed of what the Media printed falsely about him. Should Michael comes back one day and decides to stand up againts the Media.. I'd say kick em in the teeth Michael... You too my friend. Do what you have to do but remember if you want to throw back the knife people threw in your backyard you're not being bad. That is only human nature and we're only human. On the other hand if you remain quiet about it I do believe they who does bad to people will suffer of their own doings. What goes around comes around. Yea, I sometimes wonder too why are there sufferings for some people.. then in buddhism it is stated that it is all karmic. You'll never know happiness if there is no pain. It's a package. Part and parcel of life. Spiritually speaking.. we try to help the less fortunate or pray for them. That's the least we could do. Then WHY do the Media belittle Michael.. Instead of highlighting his good deeds they throw mud on him. A time will come when they have to pay for their actions. You keep safe over there "mjjforever72".. Don't let people take you for granted..
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Post by mjjforever72 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:23 am

Hey I just found michael's 7's in was in another thread on here in the movie therory thread but i copied just part of it for you and nature to read cause i think nature either hasn't read it so here it is nature below;

MJ's 7's:
– Michael Jackson signed his will on 7/7/02.
– Michael Jackson's memorial was on 7/7/09 … exactly 7
years after the will was signed.
– Michael Jackson's two biggest hits — “Black & White”
and “Billie Jean” — were each #1 for 7
weeks.
– Michael Jackson's three biggest albums — “Thriller,”
“Bad” and “Dangerous” — each produced 7

top 40 hits.
– Michael Jackson was the 7th pregnancy of Katherine.
– Michael Jackson was born in 1958 … 19 + 58 = 77
– Michael Jackson died on the 25th … 2 + 5 = 7
– Michael Jackson has 7 letters in his first and last
name.
– his last tour with the Jacksons started on 7/7
– Look at the date of the letter of MJ's Doc (staged IMO) they
had found in MJ's house: July 21, 2002.

July=7, 2+1+2+0+0+2=7. So
another 7/7, coincidence? You tell me. Also weird the had the article a few days
after the 7’s article, clue here? http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/10/jackson-doc-offers-potent-narcotic-solution/

Michael has planned this perfectly, like he wants everything to be: perfect.
I think that he has planned this for years now.

Michael spend his 'last' months a lot of time with David
Blaine who is famous for his major stunts.
I haven´t found people that had tickets for July, or 2009,
that weren´t postponed till 2010. I also haven’t heard yet that people got
their money back for the tickets and nobody have received the special
lenticular tickets yet. Why not= Maybe because the tickets they will receive
are tickets for his Resurrection Tour in 2010.. Also in the movie therory thread it talks about bar something can't remember the name sorry its like 5:23 am here so getting alittle tired here and my brain is getting overworked lol sorry again
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Post by mjjforever72 on Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:36 am

Thank you my friend Smile I know what your talking about and i do feel what comes around goes around and i do believe in it too! It sure happened to my ex husband lol he did bad things to me and he got it in the end but i don't hate him for any wrong doing for what he did to me but i feel sorry for him cause of the kind of person he was and always will be! Anyways getting off track lol sorry but ya everything with this anit christ and now the 7 i read on that site and now that i found above with the 7's its really strange but maybe its totally different and i'm taking this in a totally different way but who knows cause in the tread where i got that from is taking it all in another way too so i don't know i just wanna alteast try to search for the truth but not to exspose him either but just to know he is alright and safe thats what really matters. I need to say this even if its only to where the fans can see but i wanna say I LOVE YOU MICHAEL ALWAYS AND FOREVER AND YOU ARE IN MY THOUGHTS AND WILL BE FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE!
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Post by summer+sc3nt on Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:49 am

You're most welcome 'mjjforever72'... There you go about people doing bad things to others. I feel sorry too for people that have so much of hatred in them and wanting to hurt others but it is they who will suffer in the end. Lol... you're not getting off track. Well, not exactly off the track just trying to explain what runs in people's mind. Especially ones that does not want to see the true beautiful side of every person. Shouza has a good analysis on Michael's numbers. Michael loves reading... and I'm sure he read the Book of Revelation too. It mentioned Martin Luther and Michael did mentioned Martin Luther in one of his songs..."Man In The Mirror" I guess. Love ya Michael.
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Post by summer+sc3nt on Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:52 am

"mjjforever72' you've a point about the Book of revelation in connection to Michael.. Just that can't point my finger to it yet. Maybe you or someone else will one day..
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Post by neverlandsfairy on Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:12 am

MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs wrote:just a follow-up: NEVER be ashamed of stating your beliefs....

If you THINK it, I'm sure others have too! Very Happy

neverlandsfairy, where are you from?

(I'm thinking English isn't your native language.)

Im a proud die hard fan from Brazil , heheeh, who had the pleasure to see him on Dangerous concert, and also recording They Dont Care About Us on Salvador and Rio. lol!
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Post by summer+sc3nt on Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:56 am

neverlandsfairy wrote:
MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs wrote:just a follow-up: NEVER be ashamed of stating your beliefs....

If you THINK it, I'm sure others have too! Very Happy

neverlandsfairy, where are you from?

(I'm thinking English isn't your native language.)

Im a proud die hard fan from Brazil , heheeh, who had the pleasure to see him on Dangerous concert, and also recording They Dont Care About Us on Salvador and Rio. lol!

sunny Lucky you!
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Post by emanviam on Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:16 am

Fantastic post!!
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