Search warrants released.............

Here PDF format :

http://www2.lasvegasnow.com/docs/jackson_search.PDF

Link of the news :

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=11356298

I didn't read everything yet.....

I wanted to post here before.

I was noticing that in Murray's statement on June 23, 2009 he only gave 2 different medications and Jackson was able to sleep. If that is the case then why did he not just duplicate that on June 25, 2009? Why do an entirely different regimen?

kdkennedy74 wrote:I was noticing that in Murray's statement on June 23, 2009 he only gave 2 different medications and Jackson was able to sleep. If that is the case then why did he not just duplicate that on June 25, 2009? Why do an entirely different regimen?

I haven't read everything yet but I wanted to address your question re: meds.

Sometimes when a person has been taking meds for a long time the body builds up a "resistance" to them and also the dosage strengths. It's necessary then to either switch a medication or give a higher dosage of the same.

(That's why drug addicts consume more and more drugs -- the body tolerates more. I am not saying MJ was an addict, just using an example)

city.gal1 wrote:

kdkennedy74 wrote:I was noticing that in Murray's statement on June 23, 2009 he only gave 2 different medications and Jackson was able to sleep. If that is the case then why did he not just duplicate that on June 25, 2009? Why do an entirely different regimen?

I haven't read everything yet but I wanted to address your question re: meds.

Sometime when a person has been taking meds for a long time the body builds up a "resistance" to them and also the dosage strengths. It's necessary then to either switch a medication or give a higher dosage of the same.

(That's why drug addicts consume more and more drugs -- the body tolerates more. I am not saying MJ was an addict, just using an example)

Yes the body builds a "resistance" and our system need more.

And addiction with prescribed medication can happen to anybody.

The amounts Murray said he gave MJ are huge. Only someone who has been taking medication for a long time could stay awake with that in their system. I don't know what to think about it all. It's really hard to believe MJ was addicted to prescription meds when you see him dancing and singing the way he was, and apparently nobody else around him thought so either.

city.gal1 wrote:

kdkennedy74 wrote:I was noticing that in Murray's statement on June 23, 2009 he only gave 2 different medications and Jackson was able to sleep. If that is the case then why did he not just duplicate that on June 25, 2009? Why do an entirely different regimen?

I haven't read everything yet but I wanted to address your question re: meds.

Sometimes when a person has been taking meds for a long time the body builds up a "resistance" to them and also the dosage strengths. It's necessary then to either switch a medication or give a higher dosage of the same.

(That's why drug addicts consume more and more drugs -- the body tolerates more. I am not saying MJ was an addict, just using an example)

I know nothing about sleeping pills or such. And I haven't read anything, just following kennedy's comment. Let's go according to the statement and say MJ did need the medications (not saying he's an addict). Is it possible to develop a resistance in just two days? Murray gave him a dose in June 23 and then tripled or multiplied it two days later.

@thelegendlives-you jsut stole my question-I know about the resistance.My ex was a pill popper and he would take like eight Tylenol pms and still not go to sleep. It was horrible. I did wonder why on earth two days before he slept fine on this plan-then he couldnt sleep and was exhausted and begging for the other. I don't know. If he was addicted to prescription meds...I don't think less of him ,because as HN says it happens to anybody. people who would never ever do illegal drugs or be the typeof person who people consider "druggies" can get addicted to PMeds. Reasons being chronic pain usually-or depression. Alot of Pms are highly addictive.

Yes I am aware of building tolerances but what I am saying is that if it had worked 2 nights before then why not start with the same regimen and then if needed add something. Why start with something completely different. He never mentioned giving valium on any other dates except for June 25, unless I have overlooked something.

Funny how amongst all the aliases there's NO mention of Michael JOE Jackson.

ok-is anyone elses pdf pages coming up empty. It may be my computer but only page 37 is showing anything and its marked out stuff. My comp is a dino so this may be why-but thats the only page showing print.

ok so obviously it is my comp.LOL

Why would MJ hire a cardiologist to treat him for insomnia? Makes no sense...

He should have hired a sleep specialist and we know he did not have a heart condition because the autopsy report said that his organs were healthy with the exception of his lungs which would have caused him to become short of breath but nothing life threatening.

kdkennedy74 wrote:He should have hired a sleep specialist and we know he did not have a heart condition because the autopsy report said that his organs were healthy with the exception of his lungs which would have caused him to become short of breath but nothing life threatening.

Exactly.
Not one thing makes sense.

annieisnotokey wrote:

kdkennedy74 wrote:He should have hired a sleep specialist and we know he did not have a heart condition because the autopsy report said that his organs were healthy with the exception of his lungs which would have caused him to become short of breath but nothing life threatening.

Exactly.
Not one thing makes sense.

Will we ever solve this mystery?... what is REALLY going on, here....

annieisnotokey wrote:

Why would MJ hire a cardiologist to treat him for insomnia? Makes no sense...

True it makes no sense. Another thing I don't understand is why did MJ want specifically Dr. Murray to treat him. I think I read that somewhere. If MJ was an addict like they portray him, who was supplying these medications to him? Also, dont you think MJ would want to keep the doctor or doctors who were prescribing him those meds and not a cardiologist who probably didnt know him well?

For the record, I don't buy the druggie story. I'm just trying to find a logical reason to why the media says he was an addict.

Agreed.

i dont like how he used prince jackson :[

HeavyHearts wrote:i dont like how he used prince jackson :[

True HH, I don't like it either, but I try to stick to the quote on your sig. ...Who knows what names were written in those prescriptions or if there were so many prescriptions like they say.

Well...Prince was also his grandfather-or great grand fathers name. So in a sense you could say he was not actualy using his sons' name but a "family" name.

annieisnotokey wrote:

Why would MJ hire a cardiologist to treat him for insomnia? Makes no sense...

This has been one of the questions all along -- the only thing that makes sense is that he wanted/needed a doctor that would give him the scripts/meds that he wanted.

This would be a reason for him to insist that Murray be his personal doc because another doc might not go along with what he wanted. I know that a lot of people believe that MJ wasn't an addict, IDK, but something was up for whatever reason.

yeah that's what I thought too. That MJ needed a doctor who would give him all that stuff...even though I don't believe that MJ was an addict. But hmm...ahhh I don't know what too think anymore, my head feels like it's going to explode!!!. Well maybe he wanted him because he needed him to be involved in the hoax and he could trust him IDK just a thought.

Styloprincess wrote:yeah that's what I thought too. That MJ needed a doctor who would give him all that stuff...even though I don't believe that MJ was an addict. But hmm...ahhh I don't know what too think anymore, my head feels like it's going to explode!!!. Well maybe he wanted him because he needed him to be involved in the hoax and he could trust him IDK just a thought.

True that!

That has been a theory all along-that he needed a doctor who would go along with him...

city.gal1 wrote:

annieisnotokey wrote:

Why would MJ hire a cardiologist to treat him for insomnia? Makes no sense...

This has been one of the questions all along -- the only thing that makes sense is that he wanted/needed a doctor that would give him the scripts/meds that he wanted.

This would be a reason for him to insist that Murray be his personal doc because another doc might not go along with what he wanted. I know that a lot of people believe that MJ wasn't an addict, IDK, but something was up for whatever reason.

I know what you are saying and I don't have a problem contemplating the possibility of MJ being an addict. After all, he's only human.

However, that explanation IMHO doesn't make much sense either because:

1) Dr. Murray worked for MJ for only a couple of weeks. If MJ had a serious drug dependency problem, he didn't acquire it in 2 weeks, therefore he must have had other enabling doctors and wouldn't make sense to hire a new doctor to continue his addiction habits.

2) The 50 shows were going to take place in London. Dr. Murray doesn't have license to prescribe there, so he wouldn't be able to enable MJ in the UK. If MJ was seeking drugs, he would have demanded an UK based enabling doctor to be with him 24/7 during the time of the shows.

@Annie, agreed and true. But I think I remember that Murray wasn't licensed in CA either? IDK

But he did (alledgedly) insist that Murray go along. Remember, RP said that they would provide him with a UK physician.

city.gal1 wrote:@Annie, agreed and true. But I think I remember that Murray wasn't licensed in CA either? IDK

True. He wasn't licensed in CA, but that could be just a geographical nuisance. He could always go to Houston, prescribe the meds there, get somebody to buy them for him/MJ and go back to CA to enable MJ.

Once in the UK, the geographical nuisance would become a geographical impossibility.

I feel like nothing makes sense, no matter what angle we look at it from.

I agree with Annie.

Just found this on Fox News:

So while I agree with you @Annie, it seems like he couldn't be prescribe in CA either.



Michael Jackson's Doctor Not Licensed to Prescribe Controlled Drugs in California

Monday , July 06, 2009
By Jana Winter


According to federal drug regulations, Michael Jackson's personal physician couldn’t legally prescribe even a powerful cough medicine for the King of Pop in California, and he couldn’t go to the pharmacy to get drugs for him, either.
Federal authorities told FOXNews.com that Dr. Conrad Murray is not licensed to administer certain levels of controlled medications in the state, and that if he gave Demerol or Oxycontin to Jackson, as has been reported, it would have been illegal.
To possess the drugs in California, Murray would have had to bring them with him from Nevada or Texas, which is illegal, or administer drugs that other doctors had provided locally or that Jackson had ordered online from abroad, which is also illegal.
Murray's lawyers insist that the doctor didn’t give Demerol or OxyContin to Jackson. Murray's attorney, Ed Chernoff, released a statement Monday declaring “Dr. Murray didn’t prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Michael Jackson.”
Federal law requires doctors to register with the Drug Enforcement Agency in the jurisdiction in which they administer, dispense or prescribe controlled substances ranging in potency from extra-strength cough syrup to potent painkillers. Murray is licensed to practice medicine in three states, and he is required to register with the DEA in all three if he wants to be able to provide equal drug treatment to all his patients.
FULL COVERAGE: Click for complete FOX News coverage of Michael Jackson's death.
“Dr. Murray has DEA registration numbers in Nevada and Texas, but he does not have one in California,” a federal law enforcement official told FOXNews.com. “You absolutely have to have a registration number to prescribe controlled substances, and there was nothing in California.”
This means that despite being medically licensed in the state of California — and despite being hired as personal physician to Jackson, who lived in that state — Murray was and is not allowed to administer, dispense or prescribe drugs classified as Schedule II, III, IV and V controlled substances.
LIVE SHOTS: Click for the latest on-the-ground reports from the FOX News team.
Potency decreases as schedule numbers increase: Schedule V drugs include codeines like Robitussin A-C and Pediacof; Schedule IV: Valium, Xanax, Ambien, Sonata, Lunesta; Schedule III: Anabolic steroids, Vicodin; Schedule II: Demerol, OxyContin, Percocet, Ritalin. Schedule I drugs, like heroin, PCP or Peyote, have no medicinal purposes.
The intravenous anesthetic Propofol, whose brand name is Diprivan, is not classified by the DEA as a scheduled drug, due to the rarity of its abuse and the dangerous level of potency and monitoring involved in administering the drug, which normally occurs only in a hospital setting.
Miranda Sevcik, a spokeswoman for Murray's legal team, said she did not have information about the doctor's DEA registration status in California.
"We don't have that information," she said. "If it's relevant to the investigation, I'm sure it'll be looked into. If it's not, it won't be."
Last Monday, investigators with the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office removed two bags filled with prescription medications from Jackson’s Holmby Hills home. Among the drugs recovered were bottles of Diprivan, at least some of which were found without labels indicating where they came from, law enforcement sources told FOXNews.com.
"We're not answering to questions about Diprivan nor are we answering to any substance, food or drink that could be found in his system as well," Sevcik said. "We just don't know at this piont. That is why we're waiting on the official report."
Murray's attorney, Chernoff, said any drugs the doctor gave Jackson “would have been prescribed in response to a specific complaint.”
Jackson complained to Murray that he was having trouble sleeping, the doctor's attorneys said, but sleeping pills like Ambien or Sonata fall into the Schedule IV category, and Murray would not have been legally allowed to prescribe them.
Depending on the results of Jackson’s autopsy report — the full toxicology results won’t be back for another few weeks — criminal cases could be pursued if violations of federal drug laws are found to have caused his death.
Jose Martinez, a spokesman for the DEA in Los Angeles, said his office was referring all media inquires to the LAPD, offering only this statement: "We routinely offer assistance to any agency regarding the Federal Controlled Substance act, however at this time we have nothing further to comment about the death of Michael Jackson"
The LAPD did not respond to requests for comment. It has called Murray a cooperating witness.
As investigators work to track down the source of numerous prescriptions found in Jackson’s home, they are also checking up on the cadre of doctors who became part of the King of Pop’s final inner circle. Murray was one of its newest members; he met Jackson just three years ago.
In late 2006, Michael Jackson returned to the United States after a year of self-imposed exile following his acquittal on child molestation charges. After months in Bahrain, and then in Ireland, Jackson and his three children arrived in Las Vegas amid swirling rumors of a comeback concert series there.
When Jackson’s daughter, Paris, then 7, became ill, he asked his security detail if anyone knew of a concierge doctor who could come by the house to check on her. One of his bodyguards said he knew a guy: Dr. Conrad Murray.
Murray, a cardiologist who runs a practice in Las Vegas and another in Houston, makes house calls to high-profile clients in Sin City — and in Washington and New York.
Friends and former patients say his Zen-like manner, holistic approach to healing and Chopra-esque spirituality likely contributed to the forging of his friendship with Jackson.
It was that friendship, not Murray’s specialty in cardiology, that led Jackson to chose Murray to join him on tour, Murray's attorneys say. In May, Murray signed on in an official capacity to be Jackson's personal physician — to the tune of $150,000 per month — for the duration of his 50-concert series in London. Murray says concert promoter AEG LIVE currently owes him $300,000, according to his attorneys.)
The money was one of the main reasons Murray decided to go on tour with Jackson, says Rev. Floyd Williams, 80, who is Murray's friend and patient. Murray had developed a booming concierge business — he was jetting off to see patients in New York and Washington while building his practice in Las Vegas. Three years ago, Murray joined the Freemasonry, the international fraternal society that dates back to the early 17th century. His friends say this new network galvanized his growing side business.
But despite his success, Murray's clinic in a lower-middle-class neighborhood in Houston had been hemorrhaging money. His patients couldn’t pay, and Murray couldn’t cover the costs. But he wanted to keep the clinic open, his friend said, so he took out a series of loans.
Williams said that Murray asked him whether he should leave his patients to go on tour with Jackson. He said he encouraged Murray to go, to make loads of money, and then to come back and continue to operate his growing practice —and to keep the clinic open — without the crippling debt.
In May, Murray said yes to Jackson, and in the last few months he made several trips to Los Angeles to work out the details of the contract and to meet with the star. One of Murray's patients, Donna DiGiacomo, 51, said she had heard that Murray had asked a colleague — a hospital doctor — to join Jackson’s medical team, but that doctor said he could not leave his family and business for such a long period of time.
Murray stayed at his own place in Los Angeles on most nights. But when asked, and only on occasion, he spent the night at Jackson’s rented Holmby Hills home, one of the doctor’s attorneys, Matt Alford, told FOXNews.com in an earlier interview.
On June 24, Jackson finished up a rehearsal at the Staples Center and asked Murray to stay the night. The next day around noon, Murray went to check on Jackson and found him lying on his bed unconscious, but with a weak pulse, the doctor's attorneys say.
Murray performed CPR for about 30 minutes and tried to call 911, but could not call out on the landlines, which had been turned off for security reasons. He could not use his cell phone because, his attorneys have said, he did not know the exact address of the house. After performing CPR on Jackson, who lay on his bed, for approximately 30 minutes, and after yelling out for someone else in the home, he left the pop star to try to find someone who could call 911. He found a chef in another part of the house. The chef then found a bodyguard, Alberto Alvarez, and while Murray rushed back to Jackson’s room and continued CPR, Alvarez called 911.
The time was 12:21 p.m.
Paramedics arrived three minutes later and worked on Jackson at his home for approximately 40 minutes before he was transported to UCLA Medical Center. Jackson continued to have a pulse while he was in the ambulance, according to Murray.
At 2:26 p.m., Jackson was pronounced dead. Murray says he broke the news of Jackson’s death to his three children, Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and Blanket, 7, outside the emergency room.

city.gal1 wrote:Just found this on Fox News:

So while I agree with you @Annie, it seems like he couldn't be prescribe in CA either.

I agreed with you on that one. I said he could get the drugs in Houston and go back to California to administer them to MJ. Worst case scenario, an administrative code infraction.

When in the UK, there's no way Dr. Murray could be flying back and forth to get drugs.

annieisnotokey wrote:

city.gal1 wrote:@Annie, agreed and true. But I think I remember that Murray wasn't licensed in CA either? IDK

True. He wasn't licensed in CA, but that could be just a geographical nuisance. He could always go to Houston, prescribe the meds there, get somebody to buy them for him/MJ and go back to CA to enable MJ.

Once in the UK, the geographical nuisance would become a geographical impossibility.

I feel like nothing makes sense, no matter what angle we look at it from.

Absolutely, I think this is why the DEA became involved in the case. Regulatory issues and the fact that controlled substance meds were taken over state lines.

annieisnotokey wrote:

city.gal1 wrote:Just found this on Fox News:

So while I agree with you @Annie, it seems like he couldn't be prescribe in CA either.

I agreed with you on that one.

Yeah sorry, we posted at the same time I think

city.gal1 wrote:

annieisnotokey wrote:

city.gal1 wrote:Just found this on Fox News:

So while I agree with you @Annie, it seems like he couldn't be prescribe in CA either.

I agreed with you on that one.

Yeah sorry, we posted at the same time I think

Oki Doki!

hmmmm. So Murray also told the kids. I have never understood the phone call to 911 issue-can 911 NOT track a cell phone?

I always thought they could....but I'm not sure

ok,ladies i have one for you does being dependant on pain killers mean the same thing as being addicted?

It is always used in the same terminolagy...I never really thought of it.Usually when an addict is speaking of their experience they referance it that way.."I became dependant". Then again, in my opinion and experience knowing people, some are dependant on painkillers because they really cannot physically maintain without them,wheras addicts think they cannot function without them-but really are not functioning much better with them,

neverlandprincess wrote:It is always used in the same terminolagy...I never really thought of it.Usually when an addict is speaking of their experience they referance it that way.."I became dependant". Then again, in my opinion and experience knowing people, some are dependant on painkillers because they really cannot physically maintain without them,wheras addicts think they cannot function without them-but really are not functioning much better with them,

agree

ok,because i could have sworn i saw somewhere (informant?)said michael was [b]dependant on pain medicines,but NOT addicted,and addicted is addicted/abusing as where dependent simply means depending on them to get thru the day etc.so,i was just wondering what the rest of you thought about that. Thanks nevrlandprincess.appreciate it.

....well I am glad that an informant/or whatever said the same thing. I was just using my people evaluation experience. HA

Nothing is making any sense, unless its looked at from a "hoax" stand point.

The LIE Murray told that he couldn't make a phone call had to have a purpose. What purpose is my question. Why did he (obviously) lie?

The fact that the he was the last doctor standing, when MJ allegedly went into distress, then disappeared after the "death scene" which would have (based on the things they say they found there) clearly indicated that MJ (allegedly) died of some kind of probable drug interaction should have had the police HUNTING HIM DOWN, searching for him with ALL POINTS BULLITINS and such but from that day to this day the police have not considered him a suspect, only a 'witness'.

The L.A.P.D. may be keystone cops but they are in the SPOTLIGHT when a celebrity dies. Hollywood celebs are neighbors of the L.A.P.D., in terms of physical proximity. The L.A.P.D. would not ignore a 911 call to the most famous celebrity's home in their jurisdiction. The call comes over shortwave radio to ALL emergency responders and there was no L.A.P.D. at Carolwood Drive for the entire 42 minutes.

A closer look at this article really makes me feel the DEA are working with Michael.

Jose Martinez, a spokesman for the DEA in Los
Angeles, said his office was referring all media inquires to the LAPD,
offering only this statement: "We routinely offer assistance to any
agency regarding the Federal Controlled Substance act, however at this
time we have nothing further to comment about the death of Michael
Jackson"
The LAPD did not respond to requests for comment. It has called Murray a cooperating witness.
As
investigators work to track down the source of numerous prescriptions
found in Jackson’s home, they are also checking up on the cadre of
doctors who became part of the King of Pop’s final inner circle.

The only serious thing that seems to be taking place is investigation of the doctors.

They let the 911 "emergency" skate by them, they let the doctor last seen with Jackson "disappear" for two days without considering it suspicious, they let the family come into the house and do whatever they wanted within 72 hours or more after "the death". Someone may be able to add to this. My point is, from DAY 1, (or June 25th anyway), there is no proper attention to this matter on the part of the L.A.P.D. yet the DEA is referring all back to them, KNOWING there will be no answers from them. If I understand it correctly, the DEA has SINCE June 25th, created a database to secure all controlled substance transactions.

I have no doubt he may have indeed had a dependency to some things, and I HIGHLY doubt he was OK with that. I feel the "addiction" SPIN is intended to justify the "death" in the media.

Even if he was completely dependant on drugs 24/7 and took them instead of food, water and air, those pain meds are NOT related to how he (allegedly) "died".

We have to keep that distinction clear. Its not the MEDIA spinning it (well it is but its what they've been fed), its the MASTER PLAN that gave it the drug dependency spin.

We can listen to the recording to the black female spiritual advisor and see that MJ felt his life was OUT OF his control. For a 'control freak' that is an impossible way to live. Not just Tohme but EVERYTHING in his life had it out of his control. "They" owned his mortgage on NL, "they" paid his rent on Carolwood, "they" had him doing 50 concerts etc etc MJ in GENERAL wanted his WHOLE LIFE BACK.

MJ was/is too smart to embark on anything (parenthood, career drives etc.) with a heavy drug dependency in his life and waiting for him at every turn. He probably HATED it.

He would want to be rid of it and this is part of how he chose to go about it. By "killing" it (along with the "KOP") so he can be free of it, AEG/CC, Tohme and the whole nine, and start his life again without drugs. You know and I know that if he did have a drug dependency, he was NOT comfortable with that, unlike most celebs.

This was Michael's way out of everything that he felt had him in "bondage" - all the way around, INCLUDING the creative "box" he was in as the king of pop. Sorry, it was a bondage. He left us a great bit of footage and said, "see ya". Sorry, but I think we'll only see him again in his next creative contributions from BEHIND THE SCENES just like he said MANY TIMES.

That's the way I see it for now.

@ Red Velvet.... I tip my hat to you my friend..for this is the best explanation I've read in this thread. Great job!

annieisnotokey wrote:
I know what you are saying and I don't have a problem contemplating the possibility of MJ being an addict. After all, he's only human.

However, that explanation IMHO doesn't make much sense either because:

1) Dr. Murray worked for MJ for only a couple of weeks. If MJ had a serious drug dependency problem, he didn't acquire it in 2 weeks, therefore he must have had other enabling doctors and wouldn't make sense to hire a new doctor to continue his addiction habits.

2) The 50 shows were going to take place in London. Dr. Murray doesn't have license to prescribe there, so he wouldn't be able to enable MJ in the UK. If MJ was seeking drugs, he would have demanded an UK based enabling doctor to be with him 24/7 during the time of the shows.

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute...

1) I've heard that Murray had been working for Michael for 6 weeks. And MJ may have only started experiencing sleep problems since the tour dates were getting so close, and that's when he hired him, just so he could sleep. He may not have had a dependency at all before that.

2) I would assume Murray would be traveling with Michael by private jet to a private air field. If he didn't mind breaking the law by getting him medication into California, then I'm sure he would have no problems smuggling a bunch of drugs into the UK. I highly doubt customs would be searching MJ's plane or people.

Just a different take on things, but I'd rather believe whatever fits into a hoax theory.

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:
1) I've heard that Murray had been working for Michael for 6 weeks. And MJ may have only started experiencing sleep problems since the tour dates were getting so close, and that's when he hired him, just so he could sleep. He may not have had a dependency at all before that.

IMHO,
It's an unusual choice to hire a cardiologist to treat insomnia.
And if you don't have a drug dependency problem, you don't treat insomnia with Propofol. You would start with something much simpler and milder.

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:2) I would assume Murray would be traveling with Michael by private jet to a private air field. If he didn't mind breaking the law by getting him medication into California, then I'm sure he would have no problems smuggling a bunch of drugs into the UK. I highly doubt customs would be searching MJ's plane or people.

True, but IMO a bit complicated & expensive. Flying private jets back and forth just to score drugs seems like a waste of time and money and I'm sure shady doctors are available in the UK as well.

I find it hard to believe that MJ was addicted to drugs as well. But I keep reminding myself I didn't know him on a personal level so I would never know what he may or may not have done. I do know that ppl that are long term alcoholics, drug addicts and such became functional addicts. They can be high as a kite and still do whatever. You would never be able to detect they were high by their demeanor. I lived with a functional alcoholic for 12 yrs. He'd go to work drunk but remain undetectable to everyone. I just hope and pray that MJ is safe wherever he maybe nowadays. Keep the Faith!

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:The amounts Murray said he gave MJ are huge. Only someone who has been taking medication for a long time could stay awake with that in their system. I don't know what to think about it all. It's really hard to believe MJ was addicted to prescription meds when you see him dancing and singing the way he was, and apparently nobody else around him thought so either.

city.gal1 wrote:

annieisnotokey wrote:

city.gal1 wrote:@Annie, agreed and true. But I think I remember that Murray wasn't licensed in CA either? IDK

True. He wasn't licensed in CA, but that could be just a geographical nuisance. He could always go to Houston, prescribe the meds there, get somebody to buy them for him/MJ and go back to CA to enable MJ.

Once in the UK, the geographical nuisance would become a geographical impossibility.

I feel like nothing makes sense, no matter what angle we look at it from.

Absolutely, I think this is why the DEA became involved in the case. Regulatory issues and the fact that controlled substance meds were taken over state lines.

That sounds rational. Also I'm wondering if it could be but 1 spoke in a bigger wheel. If the DEA is involved, and by the DEA being a Federal agency, and the white collar drug game being epidemic far beyond Texas and Cali ... could ALL of these agencies (DEA, L.A.P.D., Coroner's Office) be working in concert with an Executive Order from the White House? Could it be that MJ sustained some relationship to that office since he's been there so many times, and learned the value of having "friends in high places"?

Could it be that MJ felt his kids were threatened by that dark creature called Tohme, (could Tohme have threatened them somehow? Doesn't seem like its beneath him by MJ being "deathly" afraid of him) plus MJ wanting to be rid of a nagging and lingering drug dependency, even if it cost more of a trashed image which he may have viewed as "acceptable" enough since so many celebs die that way, and he'd already admitted to it before?

Maybe Michael was desperate to control his life again, and since nobody had ever been in the situation he was in, there were no ADEQUATE advisors, and since he felt nobody could control Tohme (not even Dileo firing him!) maybe MJ decided to take it all to a 'higher authority' and agree to help the Prez bust white collar drug crime in exchange for his own protection and support of protecting his kids from the creature from hell, and bigger problems it created for MJ, eg., the AEG-guided tour, the massive co-loan on Neverland, the rental space he was temporarily living in being paid for by AEG ....maybe it was his only way out of a lot of binds, to roll over on the docs? Could it have been something that "seemed like a good idea at the time" simply to try and get his REAL/HUMAN life back? Is this making any sense? It doesn't have to make TOTAL sense but is it making any sense at all?

...just late night ramblings really

@MJBB thanks for the kudos!

annieisnotokey wrote:

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:
1) I've heard that Murray had been working for Michael for 6 weeks. And MJ may have only started experiencing sleep problems since the tour dates were getting so close, and that's when he hired him, just so he could sleep. He may not have had a dependency at all before that.

IMHO,
It's an unusual choice to hire a cardiologist to treat insomnia.
And if you don't have a drug dependency problem, you don't treat insomnia with Propofol. You would start with something much simpler and milder.

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:2) I would assume Murray would be traveling with Michael by private jet to a private air field. If he didn't mind breaking the law by getting him medication into California, then I'm sure he would have no problems smuggling a bunch of drugs into the UK. I highly doubt customs would be searching MJ's plane or people.

True, but IMO a bit complicated & expensive. Flying private jets back and forth just to score drugs seems like a waste of time and money and I'm sure shady doctors are available in the UK as well.

Well just to explain further...I didn't mean flying private planes back and forth to score drugs. I just meant when the whole crew flew over for the tours with all the gear, Murray could have taken months of medical supplies with him.

And I don't know if it matters what kind of doctor it was...he just needed an enabler. Maybe he asked him because he remembered when he treated Paris and liked him, and/or he was the only doctor to say yes. And Murray obviously needed the money, since we know he can't pay child support. Klein said he knew MJ used propofol in the past, and he must know from his surgeries that it knocks him out. He might have just wanted something to turn off his brain for a few hours every night.

My husband is the one that actually suggested these scenarios. Since he's not really into the hoax thing, I value his opinion because he's more objective than I can be sometimes.

Red Velvet wrote:
The L.A.P.D. may be keystone cops but they are in the SPOTLIGHT when a celebrity dies. Hollywood celebs are neighbors of the L.A.P.D., in terms of physical proximity. The L.A.P.D. would not ignore a 911 call to the most famous celebrity's home in their jurisdiction. The call comes over shortwave radio to ALL emergency responders and there was no L.A.P.D. at Carolwood Drive for the entire 42 minutes.

That is a great point! Why the heck didn't the LAPD show up? Even just to control the paparazzi and crowds. It's very strange!

mjgirl86 wrote:

annieisnotokey wrote:

kdkennedy74 wrote:He should have hired a sleep specialist and we know he did not have a heart condition because the autopsy report said that his organs were healthy with the exception of his lungs which would have caused him to become short of breath but nothing life threatening.

Exactly.
Not one thing makes sense.

Will we ever solve this mystery?... what is REALLY going on, here....

Instead of answers we get even more inconsistencies...