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Post by Sinderella on Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:45 am

Hello everyone,

I have just been alerted to this post made by Mo,I do not talk to her,or follow her on twitter etc so had no idea this was floating around the internet.
It mentions my name,which tbh I am absolutley sick of.
I do nothing but good for the forum,treat everyone correctly,unless they breach the rules and give me a reason to act on it.

I have also been alerted this week to a number of conversations mentioning me in the forum chatroom which is still working.
People signing in with names such as imaknower,KNOWER,BLACKJACK,ILLUMINATIST and so on have all been trolling and causing a lot of havoc whilst mentioning my name.Also conversations from members of the forum who have issues themselves and do not approve of my decisons as a moderator.
My advice to you is stop hiding behind your keyboard in a chatroom when im not around,leave when I enter and moan about things you have NO clue about to people who will tell me what you have said.


I love the forum,I love the people on there-most of them,they are part of Michael,I have got NOTHING to do with what happened on Sunday,I am making that very clear.I was posting all morning and pming people.I locked BJ's thread to stop drama unfolding and the forum turning into a war zone again.I do not care if you agree with that choice or not,it was done for the forum,NOT because I have personal issues with Blackjack from 2010.
It was a mod decision and I will not apologize for it.

As far as I am aware no one tested my permissions out because I never checked the actions taken log that morning,and if they did then I would like to know if anyone recieved a pm from me or something unlike me on that day.I know exactly who I was talking to,what I posted and what was going on up until it all fell apart.

Mo has said it was an AOL member,I did say on here that my own personal feelings were that it was an internal hack and a vendetta against Souza or the forum.I guess I was correct.
I also have my own opinion on who it is and have suspected they were not legit for a very long time.As have other members.

I would like to know exactly how much information was available to this hacker using my mod permissions?
I have private information stored in pms and things,I am not very happy to think some fucked in the head psycho has information I would rather not be made public.As a member-not just a mod I value my privacy and I am extremley pissed off right now.

Here is Mo's message


On Wednesday 9th February 2011, @kyechu said:
To who it may concern,

After sitting back and watching the developments on MJDHI for the last seven weeks things climaxed on Sunday February 6 when the forum got hacked.

Although Souza perfectly knows what went down I still haven't seen a statement by her about it which doesn't surprise me at all. The only person who's to blame for that hack is Souza, but Souza has always had great difficulties in admitting any wrongdoing or neglect.

What happened? Plain and simple - she never asked our host to update the forum software, while for weeks the pink banner appeared in the admin panel containing a message that a new update was available and should be installed.

Back in December Souza clearly stated on the forum that SHE has the final saying about the forum, so as from that day on I let her take complete care of it. She ignored the software update warning, and it was only a matter of time before things would take a turn for the worst. That happened on February 6.

Due to a security bug in version 3.0.7. a regular user (a member of the Army of Love) was able to get into the admin panel and tested the user permissions from other users. This member tested in example the user permissions of BlackJack and Sinderella. Normally regular users can not do that, only admins can. The login and activities from this member appeared in the admin panel, yet Souza didn't take action, she simply ignored it.

Her alarm bells should have gone off, especially after the message BlackJack wrote that morning and the countless activation emails many members received. Instead she thought it was more important to deactivate the accounts of Puff and Superflysister and ban their usernames at the same time the regular member hacked himself into the admin section.


The hacker deleted my account and screwed up the forum. Puff notified me that all the moderators had been deleted, and that around 50 users per minute were being deleted. Right after that I read that regular members were able to view the "Who's Online" and could see all the information about the logged on members (IP addresses, operating systems etc).

I had already emailed our host to ask him if he had any idea about what was going on, but that was the moment I picked up the phone and called him. Within 3 minutes we were able to locate the problem, and together we decided to pull the plug to avoid any more damage. He quickly found out that this hack happened due to not updating the forum software, it was the security bug in version 3.0.7. Had the software been updated on time, this could never have happened.

Now you know why Souza didn't tell you what went down, she never planned on taking any responsibility for what happened while she neglected having the software updated for WEEKS. Don't put the blame on BlackJack or anyone else but YOURSELF Souza, because if YOU had made sure the forum software was up to date this hack would not have occurred!

These latest events and the twisted facts being told about it are the final straw, I'm sick and tired of all the lies and half truths on MJDHI, I've had it with the whole shit. I have given everyone more than enough well documented information that you are being manipulated, screwed and lied to, and this was the limit.

When looking at the time line from August 2009 until now it's clear to me that some people conveniently took advantage of opportunities, and found an easy way to get their "story" and "truth" out through us by telling us suggestive stories and by "leading" people with redirects.

The overall accepted purpose of the MJ hoax on our website is based on nothing but assumptions and things anonymous people told us in PM. The overall accepted "evidence" of the Dangerous autograph, again brought by an anonymous person, isn't even mathematical. Do me a favour and do like I did - send that image and the explanation TS gave of it to a math professor or a math teacher, and ask them about it.

So...where does that leave us? Indeed, nowhere, yet anonymous persons are still adored and defended, while there is NO PROOF whatsoever that what they claim is true, and neither do we KNOW that there anonymous persons have good intentions.

Do me another favour and research the "hoax clues" on the index with a clear view. Technical impossibilities as well as US laws show that the majority of this "evidence" holds no ground whatsoever. I have not even bothered publishing "cracking" these so called clues as it has become clear that TRUTH is not welcome on MJDHI when it goes against the overall shoved down the throat "truth" by the puppet masters.

Desperately trying to make things fit into "MJ hoaxed his death and is going to save the world" is exactly what's happening on MJDHI, and I no longer wish to take part in it. I especially want to dissociate from a forum on which dictatorship has reached supreme heights.

People are being manipulated to the fullest by the puppet master who conveniently takes advantage of members who are highly insecure and want to keep their dream alive. Insecure members that don't even dare to reply until Souza has replied, so is that called thinking for yourself? Members who are emotionally too attached to this forum, and don't even dare to think about losing it, and therefore kiss Souza's @ss at every opportunity.

People who don't agree with the "overall accepted hoax view and purpose" are instantly called trolls and get banned. Moderators send extremely rude PMs to these members. Yes, I have received complaints about mods and Souza for the way they address people, and I am disgusted.

Even Puff got de-modded for criticizing Souza by a power tripping Souza, and I agree with every word Puff has said. The forum has turned into a whole god damned f*cking religion, aka MIND f**k. As long as you "walk in line" you'll have a great time, but beware if you think different. Doesn't that sound very New World Order like..? How ironic...

So...I'm saying goodbye to Hoaxland and the hoaxers. During the last couple of weeks I have cleaned up the mess in my head and personal life, caused by this issue, and I can tell you this: IT FEELS TERRIFIC! I am able to think for myself again, without being manipulated by a few "manipulative masterminds", and it feels like a liberation. In fact, I have never felt so good in the past 20 months.

Souza, you wanted it all, so badly that you even tried to cut a deal behind the backs of Badkolo and me with our host when Badkolo's payments for hosting were running behind, to try to get rid of me, so badly that you have changed the password to the blogs already. You can have it all girl (except for the design of the website), just shove it all up your @ss.

Maybe you can even claim that you designed the whole website so that the members can put feathers in your @ss for that as well, just like you take credits for a video I made which is on your YouTube channel now. A website which I designed and of which I hold the legal copyright, that is now being moved to a new web server WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. That is called THEFT Souza. You're already a liar and a manipulator, but if you continue moving my legally copyrighted design to another server without my permission, which is LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED, then you're a THIEF as well.

If you need people petting you on the shoulder so badly, then be my guest. Maybe you can also again tell people that I'm doing this because I'm so jealous of you, who cares about a few extra lies... Thank god I'm nothing like you.

Dear people, I'm extremely happy to have my life back on track, and I will never ever allow anyone or anything to cause a mess like this hoax and the key players involved in it caused to the lives of me and my children.

Whatever you want to do with this message is fine with me, that's your own decision. Please don't expect any posts, tweets or whatsoever about MJ related things from me anymore, because there won't be any. I'm done.

Wishing you all the best and a lot of wisdom,

Monique



It would appear to me that this hacker/AOL person posted that post from BJ about the forum going 'kaput' knowing I would be alerted to it right away creating a diversion as I was online at the time and not looking into anything in the moderator area.
Very clever and very psychotic.


I am too busy,for more bullshit than the world already provides on a daily basis.
Who hacked into my account and why mine?There are other users,mods on there......oh I know...because people are dying to know who I am,what I do,who I know right?

Sorry,try harder next time.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by GINAFELICIA on Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:19 am

This is crazy...... I bet the non-believers have a great time right now.....
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by *Andrea on Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:35 am

I'll admit when the hack happened I was concerned about my personal info - I had clicked on my username and saw that my email address was there for all to see! I'm not the swiftest with computers so I don't know how or why the hack was able to happen but I was definitely concerned. I have my suspicions as to why the hack happened but I've already stated them on this board.

I have always had respect for the admins and the work they put into the forum, which I love. And I appreciate the work of the mods as well and have never had any issues with any of them.

It's turned into a she said/she said thing and since I don't know the details, I can't say who's right one way or another. Both Souza and Mo have presented their sides convincingly and passionately.

Drama and annonymous sources aside, the facts and evidences surrounding Michael's "death" point very much to hoax - by MJ. And that's why I'm still here and why I'm a believer.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by RK on Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:55 am

I am sorry to see that Mo is quiting. She will be greatly missed. But I am a grown up and I can make up my own mind . I am going to have to ride this thing out to completion. Come hell or high water, he said she said, forum crashes or any other imaginable obstacle. So this is it. Ain't no stoppin' us now.
As Andrea so very well said...regardless of the dramas or sources, Michael's death points to a hoax.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by fordtocarr on Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:03 am

wow wow wow wow....it's too bad and sad, that right or wrong, he said she said, we can't over look each others opinions that may not be our own. I think usually people in "power" together cannot agree. Look at marriage, a power battle to be sure.
I do think we tend to reach for ideas to prove the hoax and make them fit, instead of holding onto the true clues and just waiting. There doesn't necessarily have to be more clues or continuing clues. We beLIEve because of what is in our hearts and clues are there to reaffirm that.
We are fanily in our love for Michael and we, IMO just need to sit back and wait for whatever happens, or not. We will always beLIEve either way. Making this into the new Michael Jackson religious cult only makes us have to follow a certain belief or set of clues instead of just viewing what is as what is. What makes anyone believe Michael will save the world? He's said he's not here for that (more or less, in interviews you've seen ) but used his MUSIC to deliver his messages. To me, that's where the clues are at. They always have been. He is an entertainer, he reaches the world in his medium.
Number one, we need to L.O.V.E....stop being petty and judgmental and hold onto each other in this. That's why we are here. Camaraderie. People who think alike and love alike and don't judge (crazy FAN) each other. WE ARE FANILY.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by bec on Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:07 am

I'm not sorry. Fucking grow up and move on. Who fucking cares. Seriously. Don't we have bigger fish to fry?

This is kindergarten nonsense.

DRAMA and GOSSIP... please. Just stop. Let's hoax.

Ps. I actually went back and read some of the quoted post and Mo is full of shit. Question is: WHO CARES? No one Mo, MOVE ON.


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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by shelby61 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:08 am

@Fordtocarr - exactly my sentiments. I agree we have to go back to Michael's message and things will work themselves out as he has planned.

It is sad that we just can't all get along and forget who runs what, we are all humans, we all make mistakes, we all sometimes overstep the boundaries, we all make bad decisions, but we have to be reminded that there is forgiveness in every human soul and whether you wish to take the high road or the low road, those paths will determine your destiny. It is really up to yourself how you choose to view life and others, particularly people we talk to online.

Yes, I agree We Are Family Smile
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by bec on Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:16 am

Ps. Sinderella, I'm really sorry you posted this. I don't think it's beneficial at all. This petty personal pissing match is nothing but a negative distraction. What good did you want to come from this if you don't mind me asking? Because I fail to see any positive benefit from it all.

Can't we just hoax? Isn't that why we all came here in the first place?

I'm really frustrated with this childish high school garbage.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by trustno1 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:33 am

Bec I have to agree with you, squabbling and in-fighting isn't what we set out to do and while it's depressingly predictable that human beings will have power struggles and ego clashes it doesn't matter a jot either way who's right and who's wrong. Mo and Souza can fight their own battles in private, it doesn't have to be raked up on the forums. As far as I'm concerned the hack was the responsibility of the hacker. Sinderella I can understand you being angry that info was accessed pertaining to you but for all we know we all had our personal info looked at.

Whatever Mo's reasons for being done with the hoax does not change one single thing for me, I don't doubt my own common sense. There are too many things that just don't add up no matter how you analyze them. Regardless of redirects, theories etc the touchstone always has to be the info on the index page. The rest is just speculation and assumption. If I turn out to be wrong I'll admit my mistake but if that day ever comes I will know my common sense and intuition has deserted me after all! Smile
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by loveratheart4mj on Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:13 pm

Yes i agree with yall. This fighting has to stop. This will cause believers to leave. I love our family. I hate fighting. I hate drama. I do think for myself. But i also enjoy reading what others think as well. But i hate Jr. High drama. I'll see yall around.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by thrillerbabe on Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:20 pm

holy crap....when did the in-fighting start??? It is sad to read...I don't understand why MJ topic is taboo now for MO, but I guess she has her reasons.

All I can say is Poor Michael...he doesn't deserve to see his fans fighting like this.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by Billie j on Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:36 pm

I have to agree with Bec also. Mo and Souza are not friends!we get it. old news!


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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by maria-c on Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:37 pm

I regret that Mo not be more here and that all these disagreements are made public, i believe that one of the reasons has to do with TS,and leaving a side everything that TS has written, for my Michael this alive.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by rowdyangel on Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:27 pm

I am pretty pi55ed off that Mo thinks that we have all been manipulated. I am an adult and I have my own mind. I decide what to believe and what not to believe through my own choices. I am NOT a sheep!!!!

For what it's worth, right now, I don't consider myself a hoaxer OR a believer, I consider myself as someone who just wants to try and find the truth. Since the pre-lim, things changed for me. However, I have still hung around in this forum because there are many interesting things that we have discovered over the last 20 months. I certainly would never consider bashing believers or hoaxers and that is why I try to stay away from the fights that go on between both camps.

I was online when the hacking started and I could see that odd things were happening with people being deleted - the number of members was dropping at a fast rate so it was obvious something was wrong, that and those 3 emails that I was sent.

Right now, I don't really care who/how/why it happened. What I do care about is the fact that someone who was so very passionate about this forum a few months back is now insulting the intelligence of forum members by claiming that we have no minds of our own!

I now have a pretty good idea why a certain someone has just recently requested to follow me on Twitter, the same person who has been slagging off believers and hoaxers for months now and someone who has had a go at me on their blog before now when I challenged them for attacking this forum. Very odd that this person disappeared from Twitter a few weeks ago and has now re-emerged with a slightly different Twitter name. So I will be blocking that person from my Twitter. When someone says that they are 'through' with the MJ 'thing' then they should stick to it and not use sneaky methods to spy on people who are still members of this forum in order to feed their own curiosity. If you want to let go, then let go properly.

Rant over!
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by Souza81 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:06 pm

You know, I am so pissed off right now that I will refrain from replying to Mo's rant and I will let this sink in and decide wheter or not I will explain what did happen, or that I will just let this be. Right now I will only scream to my cat, and to Badkolo, who I talk to on a regular basis and who is aware of really everything about the website, since Badkolo is the one that makes this site possible in the first place.

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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by *Andrea on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:13 pm

I find this whole thing kind of ironic...and perhaps intentionally so.

None of us "regular" members know what went on behind the scenes of the forum, we've only heard the arguments from both sides.

I suppose it's human nature to choose sides but to me, the allegations are hearsay.

No matter what Souza and Mo have argued over, we don't KNOW for a fact what the deal is there and why it was done so publicly - other than, perhaps, to get reactions. But who really knows, right? I can't say I do.

Many people in this world still believe Michael to be a pedophile, based on allegations that couldn't be backed up. If someone actually takes the time to look into the facts, it's quite clear that Michael was wronged in so many ways and that he was in fact "lied on" as he would say. He was hurt in the worst way and yet had the courage to stand up for himself and carry on being the loving, caring person that I believe he is. He maintained his dignity instead of letting the horrid allegations destroy him.

I do think there are lessons to be learned with this whole hoax and there's no reason why our forum would be excluded. Yes, we get that Michael is alive when the rest of the world doesn't and a lot of us have learned to think for ourselves and see that many things are not as they seem.

But we must remember that there is always a bigger picture, even within the forum itself. I am not accusing anybody of deceit, I'm just saying don't be quick to judge on something we really know nothing about. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who can see a parallel here...

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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by curls on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:18 pm

Well I just have to say this whole mess has taught me that I know nothing about the workings of internet websites other than rudimentary posting on forums! The techie parts of Mo's and Sinderella's posts went way over my head! I'm not going to comment on the other parts.

It has reminded me that I actually know no-one here and without the one-to-one, eye-to-eye contact of real life it is vitually impossible to make accurate judgements about the people I share the forum with.

I've noticed how quick people have been to accuse and judge these past few days. Isn't that something we're supposed to have learnt not to do?

I don't want to sound harsh (or ungrateful to admin and mods) but for me personally this site is not about friendship, family or an army of LOVE (which incidentally is why I got Souza to remove my 'red name' and 'Believer banner'). I came here originally to look into what happened to MJ on June 25th 2009 and I stay here to keep in touch with things that continue to happen regarding his 'death'. So in that respect I am simply using an available resource, albeit an interactive one. It's unfortunate that some appear to have become too reliant on it and its people.

I don't want, or need, to be part of a family or army in order to hear and try to follow what I believe is MJ's message. It starts with me. In my real life. And I am here for no-one except for Michael Jackson.

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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by curls on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:20 pm

*Andrea wrote:
But we must remember that there is always a bigger picture, even within the forum itself. I am not accusing anybody of deceit, I'm just saying don't be quick to judge on something we really know nothing about. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who can see a parallel here...


Agreed - I just said pretty much the same!
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Post by Image on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:32 pm

*Andrea wrote:He was hurt in the worst way and yet had the courage to stand up for himself and carry on being the loving, caring person that I believe he is. He maintained his dignity instead of letting the horrid allegations destroy him.

I do think there are lessons to be learned with this whole hoax and there's no reason why our forum would be excluded. Yes, we get that Michael is alive when the rest of the world doesn't and a lot of us have learned to think for ourselves and see that many things are not as they seem.


I agree Andrea, thank you for sharing it.

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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by Grace on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:41 pm

There have been several attempts to separate those people interested in Michael Jackson.
They did not go unnoticed.
They did partially succeed.
Purpose is to finally succeed.
Watch for this. It's not the single troll.
There is a well-thought strategy.
There is a pattern. Watch for this.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by curls on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:51 pm

Grace, please don't be so cryptic. Please explain what you really mean by your post above.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by bbb on Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:01 pm

there's no reason not to believe MO, just saying...And im not saying I believer everything she said, but i do agree with some of the points she made. No disrespect to souza


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Post by _Anna_ on Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:05 pm

bbb wrote:there's no reason not to believe MO, just saying...

I will say just this. No reason to not believe her? There is no reason to believe her, to put it straight. Starting with the fact that you know nothing about who she is and what she was seeking, you don't even know her face. And this goes for everyone. Without any exception. Not only for Mo.
There is deffinitely something shady behind all this story and all I know is that sooner or later it will come out.

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Post by bbb on Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:15 pm

_Anna_ wrote:
bbb wrote:there's no reason not to believe MO, just saying...

I will say just this. No reason to not believe her? There is no reason to believe her, to put it straight. Starting with the fact that you know nothing about who she is and what she was seeking, you don't even know her face. And this goes for everyone. Without any exception. Not only for Mo.
There is deffinitely something shady behind all this story and all I know is that sooner or later it will come out.


I'm sure if this was Souza message you would definitely believe her, now would you? All i know that MO was a admin in that board, a admin! And there's no reason to believe her just because she was a admin on souza's broad. It raises eye brows in my opinion.
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Post by _Anna_ on Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:21 pm

bbb wrote:
_Anna_ wrote:
bbb wrote:there's no reason not to believe MO, just saying...

I will say just this. No reason to not believe her? There is no reason to believe her, to put it straight. Starting with the fact that you know nothing about who she is and what she was seeking, you don't even know her face. And this goes for everyone. Without any exception. Not only for Mo.
There is deffinitely something shady behind all this story and all I know is that sooner or later it will come out.


I'm sure if this was Souza message you would definitely believe her, now would you? All i know that MO was a admin in that board, a admin! And there's no reason to believe her just because she was a admin on souza's broad. It raises eye brows in my opinion.
How can you tell what I would believe or not? I please ask you something, keep your opinions about my person to yourself. I don't think I have to repeat the gazillion time that I don't believe ANYBODY without any exception. As I said and you didn't read: this goes for everyone.
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Post by bbb on Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:25 pm

LOL! Everyone is one side except me, I guess I'll be banned sooner or later
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by MJonmind on Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:29 pm

Souza, I'm very thankful you have a cat and Badkolo, so that we all here as a family, can get this behind us and move on to what we are all here for--investigating MJ's hoax and life. I must have logged off minutes before things went bad, because I was to first to respond to BJ's post and then left, to wake up, check in and shock!

I hate drama too, but I understand people need to vent if they are accused falsely. So if it helps to get things off your chests that's good. Mo mentioned that people were sucking up to Souza, well I feel that any of us members could be going elsewhere as is our choice. I choose to stay here at MJHDI because it is the best out there, drama and egos aside. TIAI and TMZ both recoginize it as the best/home base. I might not be smart in many ways but I pride myself in being an independant thinker and nobody tells me what I believe. I believe in MJ and this hoax because I choose to alone. And I absolutely love being here, have not had this much adventure all my life, and I have had an interesting life, done a lot of things.
I appreciate ALL in leadership here, and ALL fellow hoaxers!
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Post by likemike on Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:59 pm

Souza - I don't think you need to explain yourself...it's between you and Mo!

Question is - are we getting the old forum back?!?!?
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Post by Souza81 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:45 pm

likemike wrote:Souza - I don't think you need to explain yourself...it's between you and Mo!

Question is - are we getting the old forum back?!?!?

Of course you will, give it (me, lol) some more time, working on it right now. FYI: I made tons of copies of the forum, so there is no way it will disappear. It's all over my apartment on USB sticks.

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Post by LiberianGirl on Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:34 pm

Well I'm SOOOO HAPPY to hear that the Drama Queen left the building! I don't know what exactly happened btw the two and it is none of my business BUT what MO did was so so wrong. Everything was fantastic untill she started to hesitate about the hoax and then she came to the forum and spilled the beans. That is such a terrible betrayal. If she had known something wrong was going on behind the curtain, she should have opposed to the idea from the beginning. Why aceepted it first but when you got pissed at Souza, you came to the forum and blamed Souza for everything? This definitely looks like a jealousy drama caused by MO. Souza did this, Souza did that. And I'm sorry but if you feel like this whole thing is a Mind Fu*k, there's only one person who fu**ed your mind and that is the genious Michael Joe Jackson. You can not find any explanations to our questions or anything to prove your assumptions can be true but you still repeat yourself like a parrot. I once thought if this whole thing can be a manipulate to earn $ or for some other agenda. But how can we explain the family's behaviours? And about the numerology part of the hoax, yes please go and find a mathematician and ask him/her about it. Noone can find a mistake in it. It was perfectly planned and there is only one person who could do it, and that is Michael himself. I'm so glad Mo left. And thank you so much Souza for your hard work. I appreciate a lot what you're doing.

@Sindrella: It is so obvious that Mo and her camp is so jealous of you because you became a mod. Ignore whatever they say, you're doing a great job. Keep it up hun.

P.S: I do believe that someone from Mo's camp hacked the forum. Just my opinion. Can be wrong but that's what I feel.
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by maria-c on Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:07 pm

Souza81 wrote:
likemike wrote:
Souza - I don't think you need to explain yourself...it's between you and Mo!

Question is - are we getting the old forum back?!?!?


Of course you will, give it (me, lol) some more time, working on it right now. FYI: I made tons of copies of the forum, so there is no way it will disappear. It's all over my apartment on USB sticks.



I do not really like this kind of situation, but I'm glad to read this.

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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by Liberian Girl hee hee on Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:38 pm

Boy, I've been so focused on the hoax I didn't even realize all this sh*t was going on behind the scenes. Sounds like lots of drama, but can we get back to the hoax.

It is very sad that people involved in maintaining this forum can't get along. WWMS? What Would Michael Say? Embarassed Crying or Very sad Sad tongue

I thought it is all for L.O.V.E. I love you Whazzup wit dat?? confused
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by runfayalife on Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:51 pm

Who and what is "Mo's camp"?
Seriously I have NO idea....does Mo have another board or ???

Well I just have to say this whole mess has taught me that I know nothing about the workings of internet websites other than rudimentary posting on forums! The techie parts of Mo's and Sinderella's posts went way over my head! I'm not going to comment on the other parts.

I have admin'd a few boards in my time as well as had a Gickie Pro Board.
So I know a little bit of what they are talking about....Other than that....
I have no idea about the Souza and Mo thing.
Like I stated when I first arrived here.....
I thought I might as well join...since I have been lurking for months.
I literally "surfed in" to this board via Google.

However.....

It has reminded me that I actually know no-one here and without the one-to-one, eye-to-eye contact of real life it is vitually impossible to make accurate judgements about the people I share the forum with.

I've noticed how quick people have been to accuse and judge these past few days. Isn't that something we're supposed to have learnt not to do?

I don't want to sound harsh (or ungrateful to admin and mods) but for me personally this site is not about friendship, family or an army of LOVE (which incidentally is why I got Souza to remove my 'red name' and 'Believer banner'). I came here originally to look into what happened to MJ on June 25th 2009 and I stay here to keep in touch with things that continue to happen regarding his 'death'. So in that respect I am simply using an available resource, albeit an interactive one. It's unfortunate that some appear to have become too reliant on it and its people.

I don't want, or need, to be part of a family or army in order to hear and try to follow what I believe is MJ's message. It starts with me. In my real life. And I am here for no-one except for Michael Jackson.

The above is exactly how I feel. Well said.

As a newbie here I learned real quick [first post] where I was attacked by encino_girl and Sinderella...
Then received a warning for defending myself.

If you
are not AGREEING with the masses....you are in the hot seat around here.
Although, a few brave souls did come forward and say that they appreciated my comments.
[thank you].

I have to say as far as what happened to the board and MO's comments about it.
I do no know anyone well enough to know what to believe about that.
So while it was an interesting read...
and
I did agree with some of MO's comments about some of the things she stated.

Only because I have observed some of what she is talking about happening.
To tell you all the truth it just makes me shake my head at some of your theories...lol.

If someone posts;

"Oh look Quincy Jones was seen eating a blue pops-icicle in Paris ..
Michael Jackson did that while he was filming there!!!" [decades ago]

This instantly becomes part of the death hoax....
stuff like that just makes my roll my eyes.

And as far as those redirects go...Puleazzze.

I have never bought into that BS and I discovered that nonsense a long time ago
somewhere else. Actually, I have my own opinion on who TS is ..after observing
some of that action. Not all that 'mysterious'.

No I do not believe Michael Jackson is an Angel or a God....
although some of his songs are perfection and out of this world.
The guy was a genius..he practically came out of the womb
groomed for what he did all of his life.

Nor do I buy into the end of the world the number's theory OR the Illuminati theory.
I just choose to stay away from all of these non fact based way out theories.

It has always been my preference to operate strictly from the FACTS.

I have never been on a board before where if you as a poster do not jump on the band wagon
of whatever and dare to express your own opinions or comments which may differ
from some others you are instantly considered an outsider....or some alien from mars.

Therefore I stay low key or just lurk.

Yeah...like whoever said it above I will probably be banned soon too.

Whatever ............happens.






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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by suspicious mind on Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:01 pm

well only thing i know for sure.





THE TRUTH WILL INDEED PREVAIL

and for now i am just gonna

KEEP WATCHIN' cyclops
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by xSernityxDreamsx on Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:14 pm

Well, I have a comment to make about the math and the dangerous code since Mo says that it isn't a mathematical equation. I have been thinking about this quite a bit because so many people seem to think that they "are no good at math" and every clue has been multi-layered.

Michael signed his signature in a similar but different fashion starting in 1988 but he signed the year as 1998 repeatedly (even in 1988).
In 1988 Michael was 30 years old about the same age that Jesus was when he started his ministry.

This may not be an equation that requires a mathematical calculation at all but statements using the numbers and mathematical symbols instead of words.
Perhaps there is a dual meaning; numerological and/or a statement with a similar meaning for these signature configurations.




An arrow pointing downwards = Decreasing

The numbers in this one are different than the rest and may be 666 in a vertical row = Satan and the Evil he does.

/\ or inverted "v" = the wedge product of vectors u and v. This generalizes the cross product to higher dimensions.
In plain English this mean a number to a power, such as 10 to the power of 2 or 10x10

The division sign = divide by

The number 4 = Represents the union of the three Persons of the Saint Trinity in only one.
The Father (1) + The Son (1) + The Holy Spirit (1) + All One (1) = 4
4 = God

Starting in 1998 or take note of 1998; Decreasing Satan's Power by Dividing them through God

Next:





Signature ending with a Star, 1998, Increasing arrow, 3 circles in a horizontal row

5 Points Upright Star = A reference to divinity; the Sun, Jesus/Messiah, symbol of God (Isis' symbol is also a star).

An Arrow going upward = Increasing

Three Circles = A circle can represent God, it can also represent love (think wedding ring)
3 circles represents the trinity: God

Michael Jackson, The Son, starting in 1998 or take note of 1998; Increasing God's Love (or the Love of God or simply increasing the L.O.V.E.)



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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by scorpionchik on Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:25 pm

[quote="Liberian Girl hee hee"][color=blue]Boy, I've been so focused on the hoax I didn't even realize all this sh*t was going on behind the scenes. Sounds like lots of drama, but can we get back to the hoax.

It is very sad that people involved in maintaining this forum can't get along.


High five! Really, I just went over a few replies and my reaction is WHAT THE f**k IS THIS! I definitely noticed that Mo does not participate in the forum but thought it is not my business nor my subject of interest for why I visit this website.
Jealusy! Who, WHY, WHAT FOR? Is there a President job opening to get into competition fight? Laughing Laughing Laughing lol!
Where is adulthood and sobriety for God's sake?
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Re: This needs to be explained

Post by Indahood on Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:33 pm

runfayalife wrote:

I have never been on a board before where if you as a poster do not jump on the band wagon
of whatever and dare to express your own opinions or comments which may differ from some others you are instantly considered an outsider....or some alien from mars.

This is my first time on any Michael Jackson (death hoax) forum or community board and I go against the grain and the group ALL the time. Take a look at some of my posts sometime. I am usually by myself on certain subjects. I am not sure why you got harassed but I can say that I have been very vocal about alot of stuff that wasn't the majority of the groups thinking and not once did I receive a warning or rude PM from any mod or admin so I don't think that arguement is valid. I wasn't banned for having a different opinion from the admin. I think it is maybe "HOW" you said what you did. I got a scolding for cursing before What a Face so I do try real hard to be more proper here on the boards.

curls wrote:

I don't want to sound harsh (or ungrateful to admin and mods) but for me personally this site is not about friendship, family or an army of LOVE (which incidentally is why I got Souza to remove my 'red name' and 'Believer banner'). I came here originally to look into what happened to MJ on June 25th 2009 and I stay here to keep in touch with things that continue to happen regarding his 'death'. So in that respect I am simply using an available resource, albeit an interactive one. It's unfortunate that some appear to have become too reliant on it and its people.

I don't want, or need, to be part of a family or army in order to hear and try to follow what I believe is MJ's message. It starts with me. In my real life. And I am here for no-one except for Michael Jackson.

Well thanks for saying that we can't be friends, family or anything else because your not here to be a part of the Army of L.O.V.E. and your only here for Michael Jackson; who happens to be the leader of the Army of L.O.V.E. which would make your sentences contradict themselves. The highlighted orange part we can agree on.

Peace
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Post by scorpionchik on Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:44 pm

To be honest, in general, it is not good and even sad that many people have left this site because of rudeness. Would be better to see people unite.
But again, I personally don't give a f**k to anything else but Michael Jackson who is the only subject of my interest. Eventually this is temporary entertainement anyway. Whether MJ alive or dead, sooner or later it will clear up and that will be it........
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Post by RK on Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:52 pm

The only reason that someone would get banned is for being rude and disrespecting. Intelligent debate has never been a problem, but the accompanying hot headed and heated words that may include can be. So if you can keep the emotions in check while still being respectful toward another, there will not be problems. This I know to be fact as I've been here for 14 months regestered. This is my hoax home and I love the members and the Army of L.O.V.E. are more than that- they are a part of me. All for one and one for all as Jermaine tweeted. flower
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