Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ

by Human_nature Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:44 am

ok, so, after reading this post here :

https://mjkit.forumotion.net/michael-jackson-hoax-death-theories-f2/mike-and-ebay-internet-also-nancy-malnik-photos-link-t2119.htm

I was curious about the Malnik family. Even, suspicious, because the pictures was all from 2003, but nothing after !

Link for Nancy Malnik pictures on Facebook here : (read description behind her pictures too please)

https://www.facebook.com/photo_search.php?oid=98326918727&view=all

I found some very bad things about the Malnik family...

Read here : (link)

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2009/06/the_malnik_familys_michael_jac.php

Al Malnik is doing some serious spinning in the world press right now in regard to Michael Jackson.
He's been quoted in several publications about regarding his
"friendship" with Jackson, saying that he's godfather to the pop king's
youngest son, Blanket, and that, last Malnik knew, he was executor of
his estate. Yesterday, Malnik's wife, Nancy, executed a photo dump on her Facebook page as a tribute to the late star. The photos show Malnik and his family with Jackson in 2003.
Here's how the Daily Mail characterized Malnik's relationship with Jackson in its story regarding the new photographs:
<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px;">
In pictures taken from the same party, Jackson and his children are
allegedly pictured with the children of close friends Al and Nancy
Malnik.The 76-year-old American millionaire has triplets Jarod, Spencer
and Nathan, who are now 11. Mr Malnik had been friends with the singer
for more than ten years and the singer stayed with him at the height of
the child abuse scandals. Jackson is godfather to Spencer, who is
understood to be featured in the pictures sitting on the steps of Mr
Malnik's Miami mansion with Paris. </blockquote>
This is laughable. The two men were indeed friends at one time, but
there's a reason the photographs date all the way back to 2003. The two
men had a falling out after Jackson began to believe that Malnik, who
has known Mafia ties and was once a close associate of Meyer Lansky,
was trying to wrangle Jackson's rights to half the Beatles catalog of
songs from him, rights that are worth an estimated half billion
dollars.
The source of this information is Gordon Novel, a character of
intrigue himself from the Kennedy assassination, Watergate, and
Waco. Novel worked in the Lyndon Johnson administration and spent years
working as an investigator for former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey
Clark. Vanity Fair's Maureen Orth first reported that Novel had
met with Jackson in 2005 in an attempt to get the investigator to find
proof that Malnik was part of a conspiracy involving Sony's Tommy
Mottola and film director Brett Ratner, a Malnik protoge, to take over
his assets.
"According to Novel, Jackson said he was lured to Malnik's house in
Miami Beach by film director Brett Ratner to see a house so beautiful
it would make him catatonic," Orth wrote. "He said that once he was
there, however, Malnik, who Jackson claimed had Mafia ties, wanted to
put his fingers in the singer's business. Jackson also said he received
a call from Tommy Mottola while he was there, which aroused his
suspicion..."
I contacted Novel over the weekend, and he confirmed meeting with
Jackson at Neverland Valley during the time of the 2005 trial. He told
me that he was originally contacted by Jackson's brother Jermaine and
that Michael and the family wanted Novel to gather proof of the
Malnik/Mottola conspiracy and further find evidence that Mottola was
behind the criminal child molestation charges. The ultimate goal was
to blow the trial out of the water so Jackson wouldn't have to face
prison time.
Novel said he flew in March 2005, about a month into Jackson's
trial, from his home in New Orleans to the Los Angeles home owned by
Jackson's parents, where he stayed several days before Jackson finally
had him over to Neverland Valley. He said the two of them met in a
bungalow on the property before Jackson drove him around the ranch in
an old pickup truck.
"The whole thing centered on Tommy Mottola setting him up," Novel
told me. "Mottola and him were at odds, and Jackson's information was
that Mottola and Malnik got together to f**k him. He said he believed
Malnik was representing the Mob."
He said Jackson had special loathing for Malnik because he felt
betrayed by him. When I told him that Malnik was saying that Jackson
had made him executor of his estate, he was dubious.
"He had split up with Malnik," said Novel. "He never said anything
about Malnik being executor of his will. And based on how pissed off
Jackson was at him at the time, I wouldn't believe it on a bet."
When asked what Jackson was like at the meeting, Novel didn't
hesitate: "He was afraid, very very afraid. He didn't want to go to
jail and didn't think he would be treated very well there."
Was he fearful that he would be killed in prison?
"Yeah, you can say that," Novel said.
But he also said that Jackson's mental state was "excellent" and
that the pop star was lucid and extremely intelligent. He didn't
believe Jackson was on any drugs during the meeting.
I asked Novel if he believed Jackson's theory about the conspiracy
against him. He said that he thought Jackson was not guilty of the
criminal charges and that he was probably set up, but he had no idea if
Mottola was involved.
"He thought that Mottola was Mob-connected and that Malnik was
representing the Mob, but I can't vouch for any of that shit," Novel
said. "I don't have anything against Tommy Mottola and don't know if
what he thought was true or not. I don't want to get on Mottola's bad
side. My sources in New York say he's a dangerous guy."
Novel never conducted an investigation and said that, in the
end, Jackson "deadbeated" him. He said that when he got to the airport
to fly home, there was no ticket as promised by Jackson. He said that
he contacted Jermaine and that the family paid for his flight. He said
Jackson still owes him $25,000 for his consultation at Neverland. (Orth
reported in Vanity Fair that Jackson apparently took a lot of Novel's advice, but at that time, Novel claimed Jackson owed him just $5,000.)
"He was a tremendously talented deadbeat," Novel said. "Michael Jackson would deadbeat King Kong."
It's clear that whether Malnik had any ulterior motives in
befriending Jackson, the pop star ended up believing he was an enemy
out to get his Beatles songs. We'll have to wait and see if the world
media continues to eat out of Malnik's hand or if it actually reports
the truth about the relationship and its bitter end.

by Human_nature Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:47 am

So we thought this woman and her husband was so sweet to help Michael go shopping ect....

It was NOT !!

And now, I'm confused, angry, and afraid!

by juliet Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:04 am

HUMAN_NATURE, thanks. Everybody around MJ are really very devious and I know that Michael is going to bounce back and retaliate with so much force to get these people exposed.

Michael is soooo intelligent and I think he is just rounding everybody out and he will later on, verrrryyyy soon, come out so strong that all these devious people will not be able to escape. As of right now, revelations and exposures are all over the place and can't be controlled by these people no matter how powerful they claim to be.

SHAMONE, Michael. I know you can do it.

by GirlSaturday Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:05 am

Tommy Mottola references again.

Here is another "friend" of MJ's who turns out to have ties to Mottola.

Does anyone know when Mottola left Sony? I believe that his departure was a mere smokescreen to give MJ and his fans a chance to let their guards down and to divert the negative press that Sony received. I honestly beileve that Motolla's hands are dirty and that he had a plan...a very bad plan for MJ. Whether or not he carried out any components of the plan remain to be seen. Call it gut feeling or first intincts or whatever. I just do not get good vibes when Mottolla'a name is mentioned.

by GirlInTheMirror1 Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:24 am

"When asked what Jackson was like at the meeting, Novel didn't hesitate:
"He was afraid, very very afraid. He didn't want to go to jail and
didn't think he would be treated very well there."

..and because he knew it was a conspiracy. And they knew he was worth a lot! So they wanted him out of the way...! I so hope he´ll show them that he is a lot smarter than they think he is.

Novel also says: ".. I don't want to get on Mottola's bad side. My sources in New York say he's a dangerous guy." So apparently not only MJ was/is afraid...

by HeavyHearts Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:03 am

OMG

Poor Mike
I bet he felt like he couldn't trust anyone after that!

Mottola is believed to be a part of the so called "illuminati" isnt he? :S

by HeavyHearts Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:08 am

GirlSaturday wrote:Tommy Mottola references again.

Here is another "friend" of MJ's who turns out to have ties to Mottola.

Does anyone know when Mottola left Sony? I believe that his departure was a mere smokescreen to give MJ and his fans a chance to let their guards down and to divert the negative press that Sony received. I honestly beileve that Motolla's hands are dirty and that he had a plan...a very bad plan for MJ. Whether or not he carried out any components of the plan remain to be seen. Call it gut feeling or first intincts or whatever. I just do not get good vibes when Mottolla'a name is mentioned.

I agree, I'm definately the same when I hear his name.
To be honest I think if MJ hoaxed his death it would be because he didn't want to be murdered
by Mottola/"Illuminati". And I don't blame him for all the locks and alarms in his house
that were showed during the tour of neverland. I would have been jumping at every
single noise I heard. I would honestly live in fear. And I believe MJ did :-(
Especially after his CLOSEST FRIENDS! betray him like that

and I think Jermaine is a very nasty person to be honest!
THERE IS MORE TO HIM THAN WE KNOW
Have you guys ever heard that song he wrote dissing mike?
He is an evil person! He is involved with them in my opinion

The only people I think Mike could have trusted in the end would be:
His children
Elizabeth Taylor
Mac Culkin
Diana Ross

And that is all IMO.

by jpresley Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:14 am

I think it's pretty obvious that Michael was surrounded by a lot of bad people and that he was very isolated. All of this further supports my stance that there is no way in hell Michael allowed himself to be sedated to the point of unconsciousness and was a hard drug user. Never mind the fact he wouldn't physically be able to sing and dance (which as the TII trailer shows he obviously was); Michael would never give up control over his body/mind like that.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:49 am

Tommy Mottola. I remember MJ talking about one time when Mariah Carey was married to him. She came to MJ in tears saying how afraid she was of Mottola. MJ said Mariah was really scared and she said he was " a bad and dangerous man."

I was hesitant in believing that MJ's life was in danger all this time, but I wondered....who on earth would want to kill Michael Jackson....of all people?" I had some serious issues about Mottola and wondered about him being tied to the mob....I didnt wanna believe that people wanted MJ dead.
Now I totally believe it. MJ faked his death cus people WERE out to kill him.

I am totally saddened right now. Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Icon_sad

by GirlInTheMirror1 Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:24 am

jpresley wrote:I think it's pretty obvious that Michael was surrounded by a lot of bad people and that he was very isolated. All of this further supports my stance that there is no way in hell Michael allowed himself to be sedated to the point of unconsciousness and was a hard drug user. Never mind the fact he wouldn't physically be able to sing and dance (which as the TII trailer shows he obviously was); Michael would never give up control over his body/mind like that.

I don´t think that he abused drugs before his "death". But there were times in his life he did; as mentioned, he admitted it himself.
As we often hear, especially ppl in the show business tend to abuse drugs, to cope with all the fame. I think that´s what happened to him.
But I believe, just as you say, that he was singing and dancing (as we see in the TII trailer), which he wouldn´t have been able to do when being totally on drugs (especially on an anaesthetic! Everyone that had a surgery once knows how dizzy you are after waking up from the narkosis!).

by MJFoReVeRandAlways Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:24 am

Wow thanks Human_nature. A great eye opener. I´m pretty sure now that his escape was due to friends like this...I always thought he just wanted to get out of the spotlight, but now I see things differently. And yes, I was fooled too by those photos.

by HeavyHearts Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:32 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Tommy Mottola. I remember MJ talking about one time when Mariah Carey was married to him. She came to MJ in tears saying how afraid she was of Mottola. MJ said Mariah was really scared and she said he was " a bad and dangerous man."

I was hesitant in believing that MJ's life was in danger all this time, but I wondered....who on earth would want to kill Michael Jackson....of all people?" I had some serious issues about Mottola and wondered about him being tied to the mob....I didnt wanna believe that people wanted MJ dead.
Now I totally believe it. MJ faked his death cus people WERE out to kill him.

I am totally saddened right now.

today I read so many things about the bad people out to get him and I am wondering if he was murdered Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Kopfschuettel

Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Kopfschuettel

by GirlInTheMirror1 Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:38 am

HeavyHearts wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Tommy Mottola. I remember MJ talking about one time when Mariah Carey was married to him. She came to MJ in tears saying how afraid she was of Mottola. MJ said Mariah was really scared and she said he was " a bad and dangerous man."

I was hesitant in believing that MJ's life was in danger all this time, but I wondered....who on earth would want to kill Michael Jackson....of all people?" I had some serious issues about Mottola and wondered about him being tied to the mob....I didnt wanna believe that people wanted MJ dead.
Now I totally believe it. MJ faked his death cus people WERE out to kill him.

I am totally saddened right now.

today I read so many things about the bad people out to get him and I am wondering if he was murdered

I hope he was smarter than them and did something before they could "do" something to him.

by jpresley Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:50 am

GirlInTheMirror1 wrote:
jpresley wrote:I think it's pretty obvious that Michael was surrounded by a lot of bad people and that he was very isolated. All of this further supports my stance that there is no way in hell Michael allowed himself to be sedated to the point of unconsciousness and was a hard drug user. Never mind the fact he wouldn't physically be able to sing and dance (which as the TII trailer shows he obviously was); Michael would never give up control over his body/mind like that.
I don´t think that he abused drugs before his "death". But there were times in his life he did; as mentioned, he admitted it himself.
As we often hear, especially ppl in the show business tend to abuse drugs, to cope with all the fame. I think that´s what happened to him.
But I believe, just as you say, that he was singing and dancing (as we see in the TII trailer), which he wouldn´t have been able to do when being totally on drugs (especially on an anaesthetic! Everyone that had a surgery once knows how dizzy you are after waking up from the narkosis!).

I'm not saying I don't think MJ did drugs or had a previous problem, obviously he did and admitted such on tv. But, there is a big difference between taking drugs (even on a recreational basis) and being a full-blown junkie, which is how the media is portraying him. Michael is a well-documented control freak who had trust issues. The scenario of him allowing a doctor w/ such a shady past to totally put him under is so far out of the realm of possibility to me that it is laughable.

by jpresley Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:55 am

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Tommy Mottola. I remember MJ talking about one time when Mariah Carey was married to him. She came to MJ in tears saying how afraid she was of Mottola. MJ said Mariah was really scared and she said he was " a bad and dangerous man."

I was hesitant in believing that MJ's life was in danger all this time, but I wondered....who on earth would want to kill Michael Jackson....of all people?" I had some serious issues about Mottola and wondered about him being tied to the mob....I didnt wanna believe that people wanted MJ dead.
Now I totally believe it. MJ faked his death cus people WERE out to kill him.

I am totally saddened right now.

I'm not any sadder now than I've been this whole time. If anything this information only confirms that Michael wasn't a paranoid druggie, he had some really bad people around him and was aware of it. This is GOOD news, IMO. As you and I have previously discussed, if Michael had truly wanted to disappear, he WOULD have. Period. Also, if the mob or anyone else had something to do with Michael's 'death', don't you think that it would have been pulled off better than this? I mean, this whole thing has been a comedy of errors from the beginning. Michael is alive and well. Keep da faith my slacker sista!

by HeavyHearts Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:56 am

GirlInTheMirror1 wrote:
HeavyHearts wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Tommy Mottola. I remember MJ talking about one time when Mariah Carey was married to him. She came to MJ in tears saying how afraid she was of Mottola. MJ said Mariah was really scared and she said he was " a bad and dangerous man."

I was hesitant in believing that MJ's life was in danger all this time, but I wondered....who on earth would want to kill Michael Jackson....of all people?" I had some serious issues about Mottola and wondered about him being tied to the mob....I didnt wanna believe that people wanted MJ dead.
Now I totally believe it. MJ faked his death cus people WERE out to kill him.

I am totally saddened right now.

today I read so many things about the bad people out to get him and I am wondering if he was murdered
I hope he was smarter than them and did something before they could "do" something to him.

Me too. But sometimes it's hard to outsmart the people you think are your friends, family even.
He was just surrounded by terrible people. Lord I hope he made it out alive.

by HeavyHearts Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:58 am

HOW DO THESE PEOPLE SLEEP AT NIGHT.
Honestly..

by Human_nature Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:39 am

I think he was smarter than them, but... you know, in this cruel world, everything is possible. I hope, from the bottom of my heart he escaped and he's safe now...

About "drugs" , he admited he was addicted to legal drugs (prescribtion medication). He was not a junkie like they try to let people believe.
And everybody can became addicted to prescription medication in their life.

He had to deal with ALOT of stress.

People around him thought he was paranoid, but they we're very very wrong. He was not so naive , like everybody try to tell, he's very very smart and knew what's going on.

Now, hope he's still alive....

If not, we'll probably never what really happened to him... greedy people have corrupted people everywhere...cops ect.......

I don't want anybody lost their faith, and I keep mine, but... with an open mind too....

Peace & love to you all ! Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Herz

Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Herz

by GirlInTheMirror1 Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:40 am

jpresley wrote:
GirlInTheMirror1 wrote:
jpresley wrote:I think it's pretty obvious that Michael was surrounded by a lot of bad people and that he was very isolated. All of this further supports my stance that there is no way in hell Michael allowed himself to be sedated to the point of unconsciousness and was a hard drug user. Never mind the fact he wouldn't physically be able to sing and dance (which as the TII trailer shows he obviously was); Michael would never give up control over his body/mind like that.
I don´t think that he abused drugs before his "death". But there were times in his life he did; as mentioned, he admitted it himself.
As we often hear, especially ppl in the show business tend to abuse drugs, to cope with all the fame. I think that´s what happened to him.
But I believe, just as you say, that he was singing and dancing (as we see in the TII trailer), which he wouldn´t have been able to do when being totally on drugs (especially on an anaesthetic! Everyone that had a surgery once knows how dizzy you are after waking up from the narkosis!).

I'm not saying I don't think MJ did drugs or had a previous problem, obviously he did and admitted such on tv. But, there is a big difference between taking drugs (even on a recreational basis) and being a full-blown junkie, which is how the media is portraying him. Michael is a well-documented control freak who had trust issues. The scenario of him allowing a doctor w/ such a shady past to totally put him under is so far out of the realm of possibility to me that it is laughable.

You´re right.

by Human_nature Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:41 am

HeavyHearts wrote:HOW DO THESE PEOPLE SLEEP AT NIGHT.
Honestly..

They don't have any conscience or heart...they want money, power, they really don't care ...like Michael says himself..... Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Kopfschuettel

by ~StarLight~UK~ Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:44 am

I'm slightly disturbed by all of this! Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Icon_sad

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:52 am

jpresley wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Tommy Mottola. I remember MJ talking about one time when Mariah Carey was married to him. She came to MJ in tears saying how afraid she was of Mottola. MJ said Mariah was really scared and she said he was " a bad and dangerous man."

I was hesitant in believing that MJ's life was in danger all this time, but I wondered....who on earth would want to kill Michael Jackson....of all people?" I had some serious issues about Mottola and wondered about him being tied to the mob....I didnt wanna believe that people wanted MJ dead.
Now I totally believe it. MJ faked his death cus people WERE out to kill him.

I am totally saddened right now.

I'm not any sadder now than I've been this whole time. If anything this information only confirms that Michael wasn't a paranoid druggie, he had some really bad people around him and was aware of it. This is GOOD news, IMO. As you and I have previously discussed, if Michael had truly wanted to disappear, he WOULD have. Period. Also, if the mob or anyone else had something to do with Michael's 'death', don't you think that it would have been pulled off better than this? I mean, this whole thing has been a comedy of errors from the beginning. Michael is alive and well. Keep da faith my slacker sista!

Well what I meant when I said I was totally saddened was that I am saddened that MJ had to go thry this. Scared to death of sleeping at night...even going into a room with a window by himself (sniper). I still think MJ did drugs, although not to the extent they say. Hell, Im a recovering addict myself and I had alot less to deal with in my life then he did. Most people wouldve turned to drugs or alcohol I would imagine. You KNOW your life is in danger....wouldnt you be so stressed and scared and say "I need a drink to calm my nerves" and the next thing you know people are drugging your drink. Im babbling.

And in response to the above in blue, yes I agree with you. If the mob ever really did get him, then we wouldnt even know if he was dead right now. The mob dont mess around and there never would have been a body for real. The news would have reported him missing and that would be it. ....didnt you ever see the movie Goodfellas? Great movie, but you see what I mean?

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:54 am

~StarLight~UK~ wrote:I'm slightly disturbed by all of this!

Only slightly? Im terrified for the poor guy!!

by HeavyHearts Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:54 am

I am definately losing faith that he is alive Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Icon_cry

I feel guilty in a way because I don't want to believe he was murdered by these evil, disgusting people. But in my heart I am starting to feel he was :-(

But that doesn't explain the lack of emotion from the family
The rest of the inconsistancies could be put down to the fact that it is a coverup from the police. However the emotions from the family cannot.

by HeavyHearts Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:59 am

Who would have knew he went through so much over the last few years and to make things worse the media did nothing but damage him more. It's sickening. This is getting so deep, it's starting to make me sick.

Also:
What is with EVERYONE cashing in on Michaels death?
I am 100% supportive of Elizabeth Taylor because she wants nothing to do with it.

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:59 am

HeavyHearts wrote:I am definately losing faith that he is alive
I feel guilty in a way because I don't want to believe he was murdered by these evil, disgusting people. But in my heart I am starting to feel he was :-(

But that doesn't explain the lack of emotion from the family
The rest of the inconsistancies could be put down to the fact that it is a coverup from the police. However the emotions from the family cannot.

HEY!!!! You STOP that way of thinking RIGHT NOW!!! MJ is alive. PERIOD! LOL!

Look at the investigation for crying out loud. Its full of holes....and big ones. MJ was not murdered...although I now believe he was going to be and MJ knew and bailed.

He is not dead....He outsmarted SONY and he outsmarted the scumbags.....

To be honest with you...if someone was out to kill me....Id be running to MJ for safety....THAT"S how much I trust him....he is smart and witty and I know he outsmarted them again!!

GO MJ!!!

by jpresley Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:00 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
jpresley wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:Tommy Mottola. I remember MJ talking about one time when Mariah Carey was married to him. She came to MJ in tears saying how afraid she was of Mottola. MJ said Mariah was really scared and she said he was " a bad and dangerous man."

I was hesitant in believing that MJ's life was in danger all this time, but I wondered....who on earth would want to kill Michael Jackson....of all people?" I had some serious issues about Mottola and wondered about him being tied to the mob....I didnt wanna believe that people wanted MJ dead.
Now I totally believe it. MJ faked his death cus people WERE out to kill him.

I am totally saddened right now.

I'm not any sadder now than I've been this whole time. If anything this information only confirms that Michael wasn't a paranoid druggie, he had some really bad people around him and was aware of it. This is GOOD news, IMO. As you and I have previously discussed, if Michael had truly wanted to disappear, he WOULD have. Period. Also, if the mob or anyone else had something to do with Michael's 'death', don't you think that it would have been pulled off better than this? I mean, this whole thing has been a comedy of errors from the beginning. Michael is alive and well. Keep da faith my slacker sista!

Well what I meant when I said I was totally saddened was that I am saddened that MJ had to go thry this. Scared to death of sleeping at night...even going into a room with a window by himself (sniper). I still think MJ did drugs, although not to the extent they say. Hell, Im a recovering addict myself and I had alot less to deal with in my life then he did. Most people wouldve turned to drugs or alcohol I would imagine. You KNOW your life is in danger....wouldnt you be so stressed and scared and say "I need a drink to calm my nerves" and the next thing you know people are drugging your drink. Im babbling.

And in response to the above in blue, yes I agree with you. If the mob ever really did get him, then we wouldnt even know if he was dead right now. The mob dont mess around and there never would have been a body for real. The news would have reported him missing and that would be it. ....didnt you ever see the movie Goodfellas? Great movie, but you see what I mean?

I do indeed know what you mean and, as usual, we're on the same wave length. Hell! This whole hoax thing has me wanting to drink more, I can't imagine how stressed Michael must have been.

by jpresley Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:02 pm

GO MJ!!!

Rock the f*ck on Master MJ!!!!! Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Icon_cheers

by HeavyHearts Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:04 pm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
HeavyHearts wrote:I am definately losing faith that he is alive
I feel guilty in a way because I don't want to believe he was murdered by these evil, disgusting people. But in my heart I am starting to feel he was :-(

But that doesn't explain the lack of emotion from the family
The rest of the inconsistancies could be put down to the fact that it is a coverup from the police. However the emotions from the family cannot.

HEY!!!! You STOP that way of thinking RIGHT NOW!!! MJ is alive. PERIOD! LOL!

Look at the investigation for crying out loud. Its full of holes....and big ones. MJ was not murdered...although I now believe he was going to be and MJ knew and bailed.

He is not dead....He outsmarted SONY and he outsmarted the scumbags.....

To be honest with you...if someone was out to kill me....Id be running to MJ for safety....THAT"S how much I trust him....he is smart and witty and I know he outsmarted them again!!

GO MJ!!!

LOL!
thank you for the reminder.
You're right. I remember that video where he said he would outsmart them.
I have faith he would have..

Hey what do you guys think about MJ's personal chef knowing about this?
I think she may have something to do with it to be honest.
Maybe she is still cooking for him etc?
I watched all the interviews with her last night and from what I saw MJ really liked her

by HeavyHearts Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:05 pm

jpresley wrote:
GO MJ!!!

Rock the f*ck on Master MJ!!!!!

LOL !!!

by THE JACKSONOLOGIST Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:10 pm

HeavyHearts wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
HeavyHearts wrote:I am definately losing faith that he is alive
I feel guilty in a way because I don't want to believe he was murdered by these evil, disgusting people. But in my heart I am starting to feel he was :-(

But that doesn't explain the lack of emotion from the family
The rest of the inconsistancies could be put down to the fact that it is a coverup from the police. However the emotions from the family cannot.

HEY!!!! You STOP that way of thinking RIGHT NOW!!! MJ is alive. PERIOD! LOL!

Look at the investigation for crying out loud. Its full of holes....and big ones. MJ was not murdered...although I now believe he was going to be and MJ knew and bailed.

He is not dead....He outsmarted SONY and he outsmarted the scumbags.....

To be honest with you...if someone was out to kill me....Id be running to MJ for safety....THAT"S how much I trust him....he is smart and witty and I know he outsmarted them again!!

GO MJ!!!

LOL!
thank you for the reminder.
You're right. I remember that video where he said he would outsmart them.
I have faith he would have..

Hey what do you guys think about MJ's personal chef knowing about this?
I think she may have something to do with it to be honest.
Maybe she is still cooking for him etc?
I watched all the interviews with her last night and from what I saw MJ really liked her

I think he flirted with her...she is beautiful...I dont know if she knws anythng....maybe though........was she REALLY in the house that day? She said she was, but no one else has vouched for that.

by neverlandprincess Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:59 pm

Yes I love that he would have been able to outsmart them. I believe he did or attempted to. I ended up on here because I was not buying these drug stories that are coming out of the wood work and it didnt make sense for all the reasons you all know! I was thinking "He was killed or he is not dead" I just want the truth to be told.

by Human_nature Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:12 pm

neverlandprincess wrote:Yes I love that he would have been able to outsmart them. I believe he did or attempted to. I ended up on here because I was not buying these drug stories that are coming out of the wood work and it didnt make sense for all the reasons you all know! I was thinking "He was killed or he is not dead" I just want the truth to be told.

I think the same as you.

by neverlandprincess Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:19 pm

@Human-Nature Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Icon_smile

by bibi Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:50 pm

this is like a soap opera...I just don't understand what were all these evil lairs around MJ...what's wrong with these ppl?? looks like they have no heart and all they dream abt is money...mj surroundered only by money seekers with no morals..no love..nor respect...just hipocrisy!!

by LovelyLurker Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:03 pm

Well here it is again, the same thing over and over, consistant from day one.

Lurker here has read everything from day one and this seems to be a consistant thread over and over again. Makes me think that this may be the theory.

"The love of money is the root of all evil"

Going back years we see Mr Jackson's fear of those "out to get him" Started with the 1993 trial and d*** Gregory.

Then we have the tapes from Deiter someone where he felt stalked and "someone was out to get him"

The we have the video of Mr Jackson denoucing Tommy Mottola and Sony records.

Then we have the hiring and firing of shady Thome Thome and tapes stating he was afraid of him.

Then we have Dr. Murray having lunch with Thome Thome just before the Mr Jackson event. ( can't bring myself to call it anything else)

I have watched probably hundreds of video's and read hundreds of news reports and articles and theories in the last 3 months ( thank god my child is 17 and can feed himself) but the conculsion I have come to is that there was a definate threat to Mr Jackson from these people. Even LaToya who is an idiot ( but as Mr Jackson said " she is our idiot") seems to think there was a death plot from these people.

As stated before we can only hope that the threat became so great that Mr Jackson ( who recogized this years ago) realized he had to escape in order to save his life therefore staged the whole thing ( according to annieisnotok's theory) and got the hell out of Dodge !!!

Good luck and I hope he brings them all down !!!

by Guest Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:32 pm

I don't think Michael liked her that way to be honest. And like someone else says, who even said she was in the house that day, exept from her?

I don't think she know anything, we would have heard more from her then if you ask me, like with Jermaine and Latoya. In my opinion, she reminds me a bit about Grace, and don't even get me started on her, she is crazy. Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Lol

Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Lol

Everyone who has been talking about him in TV ect, has made Michael look crazy, a drug addict, a bad father, and so on. That is why I don't trst any of them. Not even this chef of his. All he's so called friends have made Mike look bad one way or the other.

No wonder michael don't really trust anyone, he have had his heart and trust broken so many times. I don't think the chef knows anyting, Michael fired alot of people before he "died" remember. Im sick and tird of people comming forth claiming they are his friends, wifes, GF ect lol. This has made some crazy people come out of the woodwork

Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Lol

Don't loose faith please, Michael IS alive, and well. He got out before it killed him, if he hadn't we would have had a real funeral, and that would have been to much. He is not so naive as many people think, he out smarted them.

GO MIKE!! Al & Nancy Malnik = T.Mottola connection and VERY bad people READ Icon_cheers

by ILuvUMoreMJ Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:25 am

Wow, I thought I'd read everything, but that is really unnerving! pale

So even Brett Ratner was in on this? I thought he was one of MJ's only real friends. If that's true it's just so unbelievably sad. Sad

I really liked what he had to say about Michael here...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/the_big_picture/2009/06/brett-ratner-on-michael-jackson-he-was-superhuman.html

Oh and here's the bio on this Gordon Novel...he seems pretty out there, but who knows!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Novel

by EarthAngel90 Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:19 am

The reason why they want to kill him - he had power & money & owned multi million dollar items & jealously from many he trusted - Michael ruled with Kindness & Understanding - Not Blackmail & a Iron Fist .... I heard about Mottola - No Comment ... but seriously - he made the mafia look like a complete joke ... I pray for M.J.'s Safety & I hoping he is ok ...

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