*Interesting Points from TNZ*

I just came from TNZ's Myspace and this was posted two days ago, a couple of interesting points made that I never knew/realized. Take a look:



FUNERAL. Take 1.

Prologue

Coffin with 'MJ's body' was brought to the Forest Lawn cemetery the night before.
All the journalists and Michael's fans gathered around the cemetery were asked to clear the territory. The gate was closed, the part of the street lamps were out and the coffin was being unloaded under car headlights only. The death car went into the lobby to keep the coffin out of sight. We realize that the family didn't want it
to go public, but why so mysterious?

Chapter 1

The whole Jackson' s family gathered together for the close lying-in-state in the cemetery. Later the coffin was loaded into the death car to be brought in the direction opposite Staples Center. Journalists and fans were standing surprised. Than procession turn around and went to the place of public ceremony. Too surprising. Did they forget where they were going to go?

Chapter 2

Staples Center. The gold coffin is in front of the stage, famous people deliver the speeches. BUT....there are no close friends of MJ at all. Where are Diana Ross, Elizabeth Taylor, Macaulay Culkin, Quincy Jones, Oprah Winfrey? As we heard later their presence was refused by the family. That's ridiculously fake excuse . No one saw MJ's ex-wives ether.
Later some of those absent gave their unconvincing explanations on theirs websites: "we can not", "don't want to go to the funeral again", "don't want take part in this public performance" and so on. We can't explain convincingly such behavior too.

Chapter 3

The coffin. Off-size, isn't it? Body stretches for about 4 inches after the death. MJ is 70 inches + 4 inches + 8 inches of coffin = 82 inches. Did you see a coffin that large there?

Chapter 4

The ceremony was strange as well. There were no musicians who worked with Michael last time. Where were Kayne West, Will.i.am, Ne-yo?

Chapter 5

The Children. Children and animals are the best actors. Before his 'death' Michael took off theirs masks. It was done with single purpose of making the ceremony the more convincing and dramatic. Many people think that the fact that children where present at the ceremony is major proof for Michael Jackson's death to be true. It was the idea. But as to special delicacy of the situation we maintain that daddy's drawn on his imagination to dish up the Memorial Service as an amazing spectacular. It's worthy of note that Paris is a rather dramatically hopeful little girl obviously likely to rise. The next Meryl Strip or someone, isn't she?

Chapter 6

Jarmain's hand easily resting into his pocket while he was carrying the coffin finally made the day. It brought to our notice as unnatural thing to the event and of course unnatural for a brother in grief.

Epilogue

The funeral cortège was followed with tremendous applause, then disappeared completely in an unknown direction. And some days after Joe Jackson said to Larry King that he had not ever seen Michael dead and he did not know where his son's body has been kept since the memorial service. No comment.
What was the reason for the farewell ceremony no one was going to get burred. All this situation keeps more questions than answers.

P.S.: Pay the most attention to Michael Jackson's photo from 'Liberian girl' music video appearing during the whole ceremony.
Smile, you're on the candid camera.
That's just a secret filming directed by Michael Jackson the one.
And to words:[size=21]'I'm alive and I'm here forever'.
Is this it?[/size]

Interesting! Thanks for posting! Strong points from prologue to epilogue!

Prologue: why the mystery....if it had been real, there would not have been a need to 'overact' everything (imo). Not only during the memorial/burial, but almost every event since seems overdone.

Chapter 1: perhaps evidence of it all being staged. Like above...: if it had been real, things would go naturally. If something is staged (scripted) things tend to go wrong sooner/easier. As with commercial airplanes. In general it would be safer to let planes/pilots decide for themselves what course to take. Flying according to flightplans heightens the chance of errors/collisions in the sky).

Chapter 2: the absence of close friends and 'colleagues' made me doubt it was all for real. Never heard about the family refusing his close friends though. Does indeed sound like a lame excuse to cover up the true reason.

Chapter 3: Don't know about this. I would have been more surprised if the coffin had been too small. Larger is more logical imo.

Chapter 4: I agree.

Chapter 5: I agree as well. It's much easier for kids to act, than it is for adults. The revealing struck me as odd too.

Chapter 6: Never noticed that. You'ld expect the coffin alone to be quite heavy, whether or not there was a body inside.

Epilogue: Yes, i clearly remember him, saying that he (still) had not seen his son's body. But that was not the only strange thing comin' out of his mouth. Looks to me like his old age got in the way of sticking to the script.

It's a nice summary of oddities, but most of it has already been dicussed in depth on this forum, so perhaps that's why some have skipped it. No pun intended though. Keep digging! That's the only thing we can do. Better to discuss something a couple of times, you never know what you'll find, if you look at something a second time. Thanks for contributing!

StenniZ wrote:Interesting! Thanks for posting! Strong points from prologue to epilogue!


Chapter 3: Don't know about this. I would have been more surprised if the coffin had been too small. Larger is more logical imo.

Well Stenniz I think what TNZ is trying to say is that the coffin wasn't long enough to accomodate such a tall MJ. He was saying the coffin should even been long enough to fit 82 inches and it clearly, was too small.

luvmjalways wrote:

StenniZ wrote:Interesting! Thanks for posting! Strong points from prologue to epilogue!


Chapter 3: Don't know about this. I would have been more surprised if the coffin had been too small. Larger is more logical imo.

Well Stenniz I think what TNZ is trying to say is that the coffin wasn't long enough to accomodate such a tall MJ. He was saying the coffin should even been long enough to fit 82 inches and it clearly, was too small.

Ah, I misread what you wrote. I read the part about the body stretching after death as a question instead of a statement. Sorry 'bout that. In that case, it's an even stronger point. Thanks for reminding me.

From the second picture , which is paris speaking . I feel that paris was pinching herself to make herself look in pain and crying . This what my sister pointed out to me . Get what I mean ? Sorry if you don't understand my english .

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:From the second picture , which is paris speaking . I feel that paris was pinching herself to make herself look in pain and crying . This what my sister pointed out to me . Get what I mean ? Sorry if you don't understand my english .

Thank you! That's EXACTLY what I've been thinking this whole time! While everyone was watching and crying because they were so touched by her speech, I felt like something was off about it like she wasn't genuinely sad because she knew her daddy was alive. Many agree that they couldn't actually see any tears and after she made her speech and buried her face in Janets chest to cry, it all seemed rehearsed like they told her "Ok, Paris, you're going to say this and as soon as you're done, hug auntie Janet to hide your face." I'm sorry people mmight attack me for saying this but if my mother or father were dead I wouldn't even be able to stop crying long enough to speak to any audience. And to top it off, Paris put her hand behind her neck as if she were possibly trying to remember what she was told to say. Look up something about body language....

luvmjalways wrote:

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:From the second picture , which is paris speaking . I feel that paris was pinching herself to make herself look in pain and crying . This what my sister pointed out to me . Get what I mean ? Sorry if you don't understand my english .

Thank you! That's EXACTLY what I've been thinking this whole time! While everyone was watching and crying because they were so touched by her speech, I felt like something was off about it like she wasn't genuinely sad because she knew her daddy was alive. Many agree that they couldn't actually see any tears and after she made her speech and buried her face in Janets chest to cry, it all seemed rehearsed like they told her "Ok, Paris, you're going to say this and as soon as you're done, hug auntie Janet to hide your face." I'm sorry people mmight attack me for saying this but if my mother or father were dead I wouldn't even be able to stop crying long enough to speak to any audience. And to top it off, Paris put her hand behind her neck as if she were possibly trying to remember what she was told to say. Look up something about body language....

WOW ! So you are agreed with me that paris was pinching herself ? Umm im too felt that it was rehearsed , you see when Janet hugs Paris , Paris was just like " Omg auntie janet you are hugging me too hard and i could'nt breath . " They look like they would like to hide paris quickly .

luvmjalways wrote:

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:From the second picture , which is paris speaking . I feel that paris was pinching herself to make herself look in pain and crying . This what my sister pointed out to me . Get what I mean ? Sorry if you don't understand my english .

Thank you! That's EXACTLY what I've been thinking this whole time! While everyone was watching and crying because they were so touched by her speech, I felt like something was off about it like she wasn't genuinely sad because she knew her daddy was alive. Many agree that they couldn't actually see any tears and after she made her speech and buried her face in Janets chest to cry, it all seemed rehearsed like they told her "Ok, Paris, you're going to say this and as soon as you're done, hug auntie Janet to hide your face." I'm sorry people mmight attack me for saying this but if my mother or father were dead I wouldn't even be able to stop crying long enough to speak to any audience. And to top it off, Paris put her hand behind her neck as if she were possibly trying to remember what she was told to say. Look up something about body language....

Totally agree on that one. No offense to Paris, but from the very first time I saw the memorial-footage, I could not get myself to believe it was real and genuine. This feeling was enhanced by the fact, that she's too 'optimistic/happy' before and after her speech. This combined with all the other oddities, like her bored older brother, the absence of MJ's real friends, etc etc...

Saying a little girl like Paris would not (be able to) act is not good enough for me. Like you said, I also don't mean to be negative about her, but it simply didn't convince me. Had there been one or two strange occurances during the memorial...OK, I would've bought that, but not the way it went.

I know that MJ used the same casket model as James Brown. Does anyone know if JB was cremated? Perhaps MJ could have then borrowed the casket.. creepy I know but I suppose it's economical...

StenniZ wrote:

luvmjalways wrote:

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:From the second picture , which is paris speaking . I feel that paris was pinching herself to make herself look in pain and crying . This what my sister pointed out to me . Get what I mean ? Sorry if you don't understand my english .

Thank you! That's EXACTLY what I've been thinking this whole time! While everyone was watching and crying because they were so touched by her speech, I felt like something was off about it like she wasn't genuinely sad because she knew her daddy was alive. Many agree that they couldn't actually see any tears and after she made her speech and buried her face in Janets chest to cry, it all seemed rehearsed like they told her "Ok, Paris, you're going to say this and as soon as you're done, hug auntie Janet to hide your face." I'm sorry people mmight attack me for saying this but if my mother or father were dead I wouldn't even be able to stop crying long enough to speak to any audience. And to top it off, Paris put her hand behind her neck as if she were possibly trying to remember what she was told to say. Look up something about body language....

Totally agree on that one. No offense to Paris, but from the very first time I saw the memorial-footage, I could not get myself to believe it was real and genuine. This feeling was enhanced by the fact, that she's too 'optimistic/happy' before and after her speech. This combined with all the other oddities, like her bored older brother, the absence of MJ's real friends, etc etc...

Saying a little girl like Paris would not (be able to) act is not good enough for me. Like you said, I also don't mean to be negative about her, but it simply didn't convince me. Had there been one or two strange occurances during the memorial...OK, I would've bought that, but not the way it went.

Yea and you can tell that the media just ate that all up and that's exactly what MJ wants. For weeks and weeks, we heard about "Next up, watch Paris make her heartfelt speech about her beloved superstar dad". This was probably making Michael roll on the floor with laughter because he was feeding the media a bunch of BS and they are just buying it. Just like they bought the crap about the molestation cases but they NEVER ONCE tried to vindicate Michael and show the world proof that he was innnocent!

StenniZ wrote:

luvmjalways wrote:

iMISSYOUMJ wrote:From the second picture , which is paris speaking . I feel that paris was pinching herself to make herself look in pain and crying . This what my sister pointed out to me . Get what I mean ? Sorry if you don't understand my english .

Thank you! That's EXACTLY what I've been thinking this whole time! While everyone was watching and crying because they were so touched by her speech, I felt like something was off about it like she wasn't genuinely sad because she knew her daddy was alive. Many agree that they couldn't actually see any tears and after she made her speech and buried her face in Janets chest to cry, it all seemed rehearsed like they told her "Ok, Paris, you're going to say this and as soon as you're done, hug auntie Janet to hide your face." I'm sorry people mmight attack me for saying this but if my mother or father were dead I wouldn't even be able to stop crying long enough to speak to any audience. And to top it off, Paris put her hand behind her neck as if she were possibly trying to remember what she was told to say. Look up something about body language....

Totally agree on that one. No offense to Paris, but from the very first time I saw the memorial-footage, I could not get myself to believe it was real and genuine. This feeling was enhanced by the fact, that she's too 'optimistic/happy' before and after her speech. This combined with all the other oddities, like her bored older brother, the absence of MJ's real friends, etc etc...

Saying a little girl like Paris would not (be able to) act is not good enough for me. Like you said, I also don't mean to be negative about her, but it simply didn't convince me. Had there been one or two strange occurances during the memorial...OK, I would've bought that, but not the way it went.

Maybe she was just shy..and that's why put her hand there..maybe she really felt like crying even if this is a hoax..she never talked about her father, so i think it was special for her...don't know...

About casket, here's link
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2009-07-09-michael-jackson-casket_N.htm

Body is placed in a half-sitting position, that explains the lenghth of the casket.

eva05 wrote:About casket, here's link
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2009-07-09-michael-jackson-casket_N.htm

Body is placed in a half-sitting position, that explains the lenghth of the casket.

Good point! That clears up that question!