The 2 June 25th Ambulance Photos

I have always wondered about the 2 ambulance photos from June 25th. Some other talk about the ambulance photo tonight got me to wondering so I started digging to find out about the second photo. I knew Chris Weiss got the still photo. And I knew from reading his interview in Vanity Fair that he took more than one photo, but only got one usable one. But we all know that there are 2 photos from that day. I just now found an article that explains why:

"The single frame of the unconscious Jackson was taken by Chris Weiss, a
staff photographer for the agency. The video image — a "split, split
second" of the same moment — was grabbed by his boss, Ben Evenstad.
Both have been sold to the celebrity news program, Entertainment Tonight, for an undisclosed amount"

Here's a link to the article where I found this:

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/death-dash-a-jackpot-for-fast-photographers-20090626-czur.html

I know this doesn't mean much in regard to the hoax perhaps. But it's something that has been bugging me for awhile. It's also worth mentioning, I think, that this article talks about the second ambulance that was there. I have always wondered WHY were there 2 ambulances? Is this normal when a 911 call is placed? Why would they have needed 2 ambulances at the scene?

"On arrival, Evenstad peered into the cabin of another ambulance. On the
laptop computer screen he read, "50yo male, not breathing."

I watched a you tube video and I thought I saw where the monitor was actually inside the cab of a fire truck. The monitor in the truck stated that they had a fifty year old not breathing. Also in an interview Lou Ferrigno said Michael would sometimes send an ambulance with a maniquine in it to prank the paparazzi's. I wonder if he owned his own ambulance to occasions when he would play his joke on the paps. I doubt a hospital would let him use one of their ambulances just for fun.

texasbornandraised wrote:I watched a you tube video and I thought I saw where the monitor was actually inside the cab of a fire truck. The monitor in the truck stated that they had a fifty year old not breathing. Also in an interview Lou Ferrigno said Michael would sometimes send an ambulance with a maniquine in it to prank the paparazzi's. I wonder if he owned his own ambulance to occasions when he would play his joke on the paps. I doubt a hospital would let him use one of their ambulances just for fun.

Everything I've read said the monitor was in an ambulance.

http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_xclusive_the_ambulance_report_on_the_day_michael_jackson_died-07042009.php

Another thing that seems odd to me...the 2 photos...they are almost exactly the same photo. I've compared them so many times. The difference is so extremely subtle, it's just weird. It's like they were both in the exact same spot when they each got their shots. And I just don't see how that's possible. They'd have to be not only very similar heights, but also holding their cameras at the exact same angles at the exact same time. It's just odd to me.

Interesting. Can you post the two photos please?

Please check the ambulance threads in here too.

There were no 2 ambulances. The Hollywood TV video has a cut in the middle and they distributed a "remake" with part 2 before part 1.

If I knew how to upload pdf files in here, I would I have many things from the first discussions and all important findings in pdf.

Here's the full version (uncropped) of the photo too. You can see they're slightly different, but very close:

Already these two are different as you will notice from the reflections on the forehead. There were at least 3 pics.

There were at least 2 videos taken at different day times as the shadows are different.

It is all staged. Nothing of this is true.

Wow...interesting video I just found too. I had not seen this before!

http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/22141692

here are some more - look at the details (hair line, lips, skin, forehead, expression, reflection etc. - he is (who ever this is) very alive.





And: it was said that these pics ressemble much pics of 1987 (hyperbaric chamber, concerts and having been taken to hospital that time). Remember Chris Weiss was said to be the guy in the yellow shirt - holding a paramedics licence btw - and I always wondered how he could be at the back of the ambulance and at the side at the same time.





FAKE, it is all FAKE.

And this are the ressembling ones:



And only this ressemblence tells me that it was faked to fool media just like at that time.

I've never seen the uncropped photo before...thanks for posting. Yes, I can see differences, but you're right, they're very close.

So what do we know for sure? There was a real 911 call made, which means that there were real paramedics and firemen dispatched, correct? So doesn't that mean there had to be a real body, and the photos could also be real? I am willing to believe that the photos are staged, but what are the other theories as far as the paramedics are concerned?

Grace wrote:Please check the ambulance threads in here too.

There were no 2 ambulances. The Hollywood TV video has a cut in the middle and they distributed a "remake" with part 2 before part 1.

If I knew how to upload pdf files in here, I would I have many things from the first discussions and all important findings in pdf.

Obviously, the article I quoted from can be in error. I have seen the videos taken that day and only saw one ambulance in those videos. But articles and video aren't necessarily conclusive. Steve Ruda (Captain of the LAFP) said that 4 paramedics were at the scene that day (see my video link above, which also notes 6 firefighters were there). He doesn't mention number of vehicles, but at least we have an official statement about the number of people on the scene, according to his statement in the video.

Christiana wrote:Wow...interesting video I just found too. I had not seen this before!

http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/22141692

PLEASE watch this video, gals and guys! There is a lot of stuff here I had not seen before.

I also managed to get an interior still of the ambulance (empty) from the video link I posted, for comparison sake.

Oh this goes really back to the first days of investigations. And please shoot me, I am about to leave for my last performance in the movie theater...

The call as such was discussed in depth and we found it very odd that
1) the dispatcher would hang up (they stay in line until the ambulance arrives)
2) the sound was clearer for the caller than for the dispatcher (as if being recorded in the house and not at the emergency call center)
3) there was a woman's voice saying "just one minute" which was cut out in later publishing
and many many more odd things that are NOT standard for any emergency call.

We do not know whether there was a REAL 911 call.
We do not even know whether and for how long 911 calls are being recorded at all.
Press got the material (leaked as all the stuff from so called "close sources").
There might have been one or more bearers delivering the material to media.

In one of the videos you will remark that the street "Carolwood Drive" was closed from the top.



As we are discussing the an area of L.A. not too far from studios, the closure of a street is nothing special if you want to take sa scene for a movie. We are looking at a city where all engines, fire trucks and ambulances are available inventary at studios. They can be rented.

*Michael...L.O.V.E.* stated at the LKL blog that the ambulance vids and pictures were not shot that day. We may believe this or not. In any case the ambulance leaving the yard was filmed several times and this material is in the web and is fact. Such as the different ambulance pics. We can assume that a professional camera such as a Nikon D200 can has a lot of features and also one of multiple shots per second and here we go (it's old equipment though):


Nikon D200, 10.2 mp, Exclusive Preview

Tuesday, 1 November 2005 06:05 GMT














Nikon
has today announced (not to everyones surprise) the Nikon D200, a
ten-point-two megapixel digital SLR with professional features and
build quality in a compact body. From a features and functionality
point of view the D200 is much closer to the D2X than the D100.
Highlights are a magnesium-alloy body, an 11-area AF sensor, 3D Color
Matrix Metering II,
5 frames per second continuous shooting, 2.5" LCD
monitor, USB 2.0, 1/250 sec X-sync plus WiFi and GPS support. The D200
is about 100g heavier than the D100 but 240g lighter than the D2X. Best
of all is the price, body-only, $1,849 in the US. We have a full
detailed hands-on preview of the Nikon D200 available now. [http://www.dpreview.com/news/0511/05110104nikond200.asp]

Now how do we know the camera that shot the pics? Some photo guru on MJHD revealed the EXIF data of one of the pics which give the technical details of a digital picture - when it was shot with which resolution etc.
Interesting data are the time data:




(I remarked: Nikon
camera D200, a model of a digital reflex camerafor professional use, image
software used is ADOBE Fireworks CS3 and Adobe XMP 4.1 from 2007)

NIKON
CORPORATION



NIKON D200



2009-06-25T23:31:53Z(last time
modified on PC, likely before start of paper printing)



Adobe Fireworks
CS3



2009-06-25T16:22:43-07:00
(put on PC)




2009-06-25T16:22:43-07:00



2009-06-25T12:08:08-07:00(taken
with camera at camera time)



2009-06-25T12:08:08-07:00




If
time in the camera was set correctly (which is usually the case for
professional photographs),

The picture was taken 12:08

They called 911 at 12:21 http://x17online.com/celebriti…..042009.php

And the paramedics arrived at 12:26 (source http://www.telegraph.co.uk)

There is a time difference from 12:08 untill 12:26

That's 18 minutes before the paramedics arrive.


the
original link to the pic is this:


http://www.etonline.com/media/…..090625.jpg

So then you believe Captain Ruda from the LAFD is in on the hoax? Because, as Christiana mentioned, he confirmed how many paramedics were sent to the house. If there was not a real call, or real paramedics sent, wouldn't the people on call in these departments know it didn't happen?

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:So then you believe Captain Ruda from the LAFD is in on the hoax? Because, as Christiana mentioned, he confirmed how many paramedics were sent to the house. If there was not a real call, or real paramedics sent, wouldn't the people on call in these departments know it didn't happen?

Seems to me that there was a real call and real paramedics and firemen were there that day. There were also fans on the Star Line tour there that day who saw everything and were in the videos. The drive of the tour van was interviewed in the video clip I posted previously as well, stating what she saw. So I believe all of that did happen on the 25th. And that, to me, provides only 3 possibilities:

1. The LAFD and paramedics are in on the hoax, meaning MJ was in danger and had to hoax his death to stay safe, which would necessitate all those personnel being in on the hoax.
2. The LAFD and paramedics are NOT in the hoax, and there was someone picked up in an ambulance that day, but it was not MJ.
3. It really was MJ, and well, he really did pass away that day.

Those are the three most realistic scenarios in my mind as well. I just hope it's not #3. I have a really hard time thinking so many people were in on this hoax though. Some people believe the dancers from TII to everyone at the burial were in on it. I think there would have to be as few people as possible, and therefore the most plausible hoax theory is #2. It would sure explain a lot of discrepancies.

I personally do not beleive one single word of Kay Chase.
We discussed that in other threads and debunked several of her statements as being lies. For which reason ever.

She said that Murray came running down the stairs at 12:05 p.m.?

This is the timeline as we found it so far:





credit to smiles78 at MJHD:
[
Time Line
1:30 am Gave MJ 10mg Valium
2:00 am Gave MJ 2mg Ativan (normal is .5 – 1 mg)
3:00 am Gave MJ 2mg Versed
5:00 am Gave MJ 2mg Ativan
7:30 am Gave MJ 2mg Versed
10:40 am Gave MJ 25mg Propofol
10:50 am Dr. M left the room to use the bathroom.
10:52 am Dr. M returned to the room to find MJ not
breathing.
*Between 10:52 am – 12:22pm Murry gave MJ .2mg of
Flumanezil, called Michael Amir Williams (MJ’s personal assistant) using HIS
cell phone. When he spoke to Willaims he asked
that he send security upstairs. Murray continued CPR, then ran down stairs
(leaving MJ upstairs alone) to get help. He asked the chef to send up Prince
(MJ’s oldest son) upstairs. Murray then went upstairs and started CPR again.
Shortly after Prince came upstairs, Dr Murray’s assistant, Alberto Alverez
called 911.
12:22 pm The Paramedics are called to MJ’s house
2:26 pm MJ was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center by
Dr. R. Cooper (physical in charge of the Emergency Department).
So it took Dr. Murry 90 minutes to call 911 after he found
MJ not breathing. From the time Dr. Murray found MJ to the time he was
pronounced was over 3 ½ hours. Why would they continue CPR, and continue to
revive a man who has been down for over 3 ½ hours? Not to mention that he gave
enough medication between 1 am and 7:30 am to knock out a very large adult.
All information was taken from Documents released by TMZ
(on a link on their website) regarding the Search Warrants for Dr. Murray.
]




The video, Christiana posted, is different and stating many more details - but still it is media filtered and put together to make up a certain szene.
Also the coroner lied when asked if the van's plate no. was the one we saw on the RTL video. He said the plate no. was not valid. We got a photo later at funeral date that showed exactly this van with this plate on it.

Don't believe these people. They are all covering their back. And Kay Chase is a greedy vulture as so many.

I think Kai Chase is really dodgy too...something about her does not sit well with me. That just reminded me... Didn't Frank Dileo call a family member and tell them Michael ate something that made him sick before he was taken to the hospital? I know I saw that in a video somewhere.

I just watch this video,interesting
MICHAEL JACKSON LAST PHOTO: FAKE! *UPDATE

Can anybody understand what they are talking about
Michael Jackson Ambulance recording 25th June 2009

maya wrote:Can anybody understand what they are talking about
Michael Jackson Ambulance recording 25th June 2009

Omg, I haven't heard this before!! Is it real? They're saying he has no pulse, no breathing, and he's in a coma. Doesn't that make him dead? It sounds serious though...I don't know what to make of it.

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:

maya wrote:Can anybody understand what they are talking about
Michael Jackson Ambulance recording 25th June 2009

Omg, I haven't heard this before!! Is it real? They're saying he has no pulse, no breathing, and he's in a coma. Doesn't that make him dead? It sounds serious though...I don't know what to make of it.

Simple: He's dead.

rpvee wrote:

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:

maya wrote:Can anybody understand what they are talking about
Michael Jackson Ambulance recording 25th June 2009

Omg, I haven't heard this before!! Is it real? They're saying he has no pulse, no breathing, and he's in a coma. Doesn't that make him dead? It sounds serious though...I don't know what to make of it.

Simple: He's dead.

what? no he is not..

rpvee wrote:

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:

maya wrote:Can anybody understand what they are talking about
Michael Jackson Ambulance recording 25th June 2009

Omg, I haven't heard this before!! Is it real? They're saying he has no pulse, no breathing, and he's in a coma. Doesn't that make him dead? It sounds serious though...I don't know what to make of it.

Simple: He's dead.

I really don't think that audio recording is real. I can barely hear it with my volume all the way up. But I listened twice. It does not sound real. And if it was, why didn't every mainstream media outlet broadcast it?

If he's not breathing there's no need for a respiratory bag at all and the ambulance would not have been allowed to leave the place.
We do not know who is talking in this video so I do not consider this as any indication to a clue but as manipulation.

And what always catches my eye, when I see the uncropped pic is the red car!!! It is so goddamned photoshopped....either in the videos, there is no red car beside the ambulance

Kirsche, yes, the red car is there in front of the startours bus (sorry for the bad quality).

Just a few questions
Why did the 911 call get out into public so fast, is that normal in the US. Isn´t it the property of the emergency center (or whatever)... why make it public, it´s not so profesional IMO...
And why did Frank say Michael was on life support if he was already dead when he came to the hospital....
Why did Liz Taylor´s spokesperson say Michael was fine he was breathing fine when he was in the hospital, when he was already dead......
Why did the paramadics say they did not recocnize Michael when they first got there.....
Why did Murray get ridd of those boxes in his office in Taxas 5 hours before the call.....

About the second ambulance ...i thing I've seen a video in youtube explaining it ...
The second ambulance is , as matter of fact, the same and the only ambulance of that day, in MJ mansion.
TMZ has just mixed the scenes sequence, putting the seen taking in the beginning , where the ambulance was inside yet , and put it in the end of the video .
So everyone thought they saw a second ambulance.

to check about ...

See wrote:Just a few questions
Why did the 911 call get out into public so fast, is that normal in the US. Isn´t it the property of the emergency center (or whatever)... why make it public, it´s not so profesional IMO...
And why did Frank say Michael was on life support if he was already dead when he came to the hospital....
Why did Liz Taylor´s spokesperson say Michael was fine he was breathing fine when he was in the hospital, when he was already dead......
Why did the paramadics say they did not recocnize Michael when they first got there.....
Why did Murray get ridd of those boxes in his office in Taxas 5 hours before the call.....

yeah...it's all a big mistery

what do you guys think of this:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/08/michael-jackson-crypt-photo/

Nobody is in it So the casket is still above the ground.. if there would be a real person in it.. eww.. (NOT MICHAEL )

how can you seed, that the casket is still above the ground? I Can't even see the coffin

It's the pictures Karen Faye took.....................

oh okay

Kirsche wrote:how can you seed, that the casket is still above the ground? I Can't even see the coffin

is it in that thing? and who is Karen Faye and why does she have access to his "tomb"?

nellyka7 wrote:

Kirsche wrote:how can you seed, that the casket is still above the ground? I Can't even see the coffin

is it in that thing? and who is Karen Faye and why does she have access to his "tomb"?

His makeup artist and friend for many years.

Grace wrote:Already these two are different as you will notice from the reflections on the forehead. There were at least 3 pics.

There were at least 2 videos taken at different day times as the shadows are different.

It is all staged. Nothing of this is true.

I'm still not sure about those shadows... I mean.. if the person outside the ambulance who took the picture used some sort of flash to make the photo wouldn't the shadows be different too?(or no shadows at all?)

But I'm pretty sure it's all staged ...

I think I'm pretty sure the other ambulance picture is fake
Why? Because of that white arrow near his ear..someone on youtube has put that white arrow there to show the differences between his ear and mj's ear....just look at the pictures.... I think you all can see that white arrow is painted on it? or photoshopped I don't know... but that's why I think that picture is fake:)

There's also another thing that's bugging me... if the family thought we hoax theorists are making no sense at all ..that michael is dead indeed.. why now all of a sudden is this ambulance conversation released?

1) To make sure we give up? that we now know he is indeed dead?
2) Because they feel threatened by us, because we are very close to discover the truth?

Someone else also thinking this same thing?

Missyb007 wrote:There's also another thing that's bugging me... if the family thought we hoax theorists are making no sense at all ..that michael is dead indeed.. why now all of a sudden is this ambulance conversation released?

1) To make sure we give up? that we now know he is indeed dead?
2) Because they feel threatened by us, because we are very close to discover the truth?

Someone else also thinking this same thing?

I am...and I think 1 & 2 are very plausible could probably have been the reaon I'm with you on that

See wrote:Just a few questions
Why did the 911 call get out into public so fast, is that normal in the US. Isn´t it the property of the emergency center (or whatever)... why make it public, it´s not so profesional IMO...
And why did Frank say Michael was on life support if he was already dead when he came to the hospital....
Why did Liz Taylor´s spokesperson say Michael was fine he was breathing fine when he was in the hospital, when he was already dead......
Why did the paramadics say they did not recocnize Michael when they first got there.....
Why did Murray get ridd of those boxes in his office in Taxas 5 hours before the call.....

BECAUSE IT IS A H-O-A-X.....and our MJ will be back and even better than before!
We should start a thread about all of the things that are suspicious ... from the beginning and see what we can come up with.

maya wrote:I just watch this video,interesting
MICHAEL JACKSON LAST PHOTO: FAKE! *UPDATE

If you notice on this video, the picture that is the ambulance picture from 1985 is the same as the one that we have seen from June 25, 2009. I'm not sure what to make of this.

Missyb007 wrote:There's also another thing that's bugging me... if the family thought we hoax theorists are making no sense at all ..that michael is dead indeed.. why now all of a sudden is this ambulance conversation released?

1) To make sure we give up? that we now know he is indeed dead?
2) Because they feel threatened by us, because we are very close to discover the truth?

Someone else also thinking this same thing?

When did the family speak out regarding the hoax believers?

You know, the family could come out and address the hoax theorists and state that it is not a hoax, he really died, I know you want to believe he's alive but it's not a hoax. Why haven't they done that? Why hasn't anyone done that? When it comes to the hoax theory they are all

Better still when have the family ever used the word dead

Christiana wrote:

rpvee wrote:

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:

maya wrote:Can anybody understand what they are talking about
Michael Jackson Ambulance recording 25th June 2009

Omg, I haven't heard this before!! Is it real? They're saying he has no pulse, no breathing, and he's in a coma. Doesn't that make him dead? It sounds serious though...I don't know what to make of it.

Simple: He's dead.

I really don't think that audio recording is real. I can barely hear it with my volume all the way up. But I listened twice. It does not sound real. And if it was, why didn't every mainstream media outlet broadcast it?

What? If this was taped in the ambulance while on the way to the hospital, why aren't there any siren sounds? It also says should be there in about 5 minutes. And why do they sound so calm? Is it usual procedure to record? I'm assuming they were supposedly in contact with hospital. That doesn't sound like a conversation with ER to me. I think it's fake.

Maybe someone here can answer this question, since I don't have a medical background.
The recording says: No breathing, no pulse, in a coma.

My question is this: If there is no pulse how can he be in a coma? Don't people in comas have pulses, because they are still alive?
Which is it? Coma or dead?

Here is the video showing that the monitor with the information was in the firetruck and not in the ambulance. Look at the 0:34 mark of the film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrmlVO_w0T8&feature=related