Inconsistencies & Odd Things - SUMMARY

[rowdyangel]

OK guys. I don’t know about you but since 25th June we have come up with various theories into Michael’s ‘death’.

Aside from these theories, I think that it’s important not to lose sight of the original inconsistencies that have become apparent, be they from the media or statements/comments from the Jackson family and other people Michael was involved with in one capacity or another.

So I just thought it would be useful to put together a summary thread listing all of these key areas so that we can refer back to them at any point and so that they can be used as a guide for our theories.

I have tried my best to put them into chronological order.

The inconsistencies that I can think of are as follows:

• Claims that Michael had only 6 months to live back in Dec 2008 and that he was dying from skin cancer
• ‘This Is It’ tour originally scheduled to be 10 dates then changed to 50. It is alleged that Michael was not happy about the number of dates being increased – we have seen footage of Michael saying in the past that he does not enjoy touring
• The first few dates originally scheduled in July were postponed to March 2010 allegedly due to insufficient time for final preparations
• Why were the rehearsals taking place in LA and not London?
• The sudden revelation of the faces of Michael’s children about a month before he ‘died’
• The 911 call on 25th June – the caller did not know the address, no mention of Michael in the actual call, the 911 operator telling the caller to “ring back if they needed anything else” and then hanging up
• No clarity on what actually went on at the time of the 911 call nor who was actually present and movement inside Michael’s house at this time
• All of the staff at the house were dismissed on that day
• Claims that Michael was in very poor health leading up to his ‘death’ yet he had passed a medical confirming that he was fit to go ahead with the tour (for insurance purposes)
• Cigarette packet claimed to have been found in Michael’s bedroom at the time of his ‘death’
• The ambulance photo AND the fake photo alleged to show the moment that the ambulance photo was taken in comparison to ambulance video footage
• No police officers at the scene when the ambulance was leaving the house
• The ambulance not appearing to be in any particular hurry to get Michael to the hospital
• Claims that Michael ‘died’ of a cardiac arrest then claims that it was due to a drugs overdose – constantly changing
• No clarity on how long CPR was administered prior to the 911 call being made
• Claims that Michael was very very thin (emaciated) when he arrived at UCLA
• The questionable video footage of people in the hospital foyer shouting Michael’s name
• The Photoshopped ‘This Is It’ picture
• The moving body in the helicopter
• The shadow of the body/white sheet when transferred from helicopter to coroner’s van
• The video of Michael stepping out of the coroner’s van AND then the subsequent ‘fake’ (the making of) video claimed to have been put together by TMZ
• Death certificate has not been signed
• Nobody has yet been charged or arrested
• Key witnesses (who claim to have been there when Michael ‘died’) were only questioned almost 2 months after the ‘death’
• Dr Conrad Murray – hardly any historical information about him on the internet, only a couple of pictures and a questionable web site of his attorney and patient list
• Rehearsal footage from ‘This Is It’ released – in glorious HD
• Conflicting stories about the state of Michael’s health during rehearsals yet he looks pretty healthy on the released rehearsal footage
• Delays to the autopsy report
• No open casket during the memorial
• Use of the word “pains” and not “pain” at the memorial – Will You Be There?
• Casket alleged to contain Michael’s body was never carried and was always on a trolley with wheels
• Constant use of the ‘Liberian Girl’ photos of Michael both at the memorial and the burial – no recent pictures
• Announcement of ‘This Is It’ movie from the many hours of rehearsal footage – all in glorious HD
• Stories that Michael hardly ever turned up to the rehearsals but yet there are many hours of rehearsal footage
• Stories that the family wanted to have Michael buried at Neverland but could not get ‘planning permission’ for this – although it is a well-known fact that Michael would never want to be buried there
• Members of the Jackson family referring to Michael in present tense in many interviews
• The burial being postponed numerous times
• The burial looking like a movie, lack of emotion
• Dr Conrad Murray’s YouTube video
• No open casket during the burial
• Claims by the Jackson family that Michael “looked great” for his burial – really after 3 months?
• Live feed at the burial only until the casket arrived
• Randy Jackson’s outburst at the media for breaching the ‘no-fly zone’ during the burial and urging the media not to use any of the footage from the helicopter
• People not knowing exactly where the body was prior to the burial
• Conflicting stories about which members of the Jackson family had actually seen Michael’s body
• A Tribute Concert announced with ‘top stars’ who then promptly dropped out resulting in the concert being postponed until June 2010 AND to another country altogether
• Stories emerged that Michael was not actually able to perform in the UK until June 2010 due to a breach of contract

As you can see there are quite a lot here but I suspect that I may have missed off some other things.

Remember that this is a list of things that we have SEEN, HEARD or READ over the last couple of months and are NOT theory, hence no mention of things such as the ‘O2’ guy not being the real Michael Jackson (as that is just theory). Of course, we can’t be sure if everything on the list is ‘true’ especially with things that have come from the media, but I don’t think that we should discount them just yet.

I just wanted to have all of this information in one thread for reference. If you can think of anything else, let me know and I will add it to the list. After a period of time I will post an up-to-date version.

It might also be useful if this was made into a ‘sticky’?????

Thanks everyone and I hope that you find this useful.

[kdkennedy74]

Nice work Rowdyangel. It is nice to see it all together in one place.

[Rach]

JB,

I will put this as a sticky for you and also move it to the recap section.

Nice work

[~~Kristy~~]

Very good work JB very impressive.

[MiaPaparazzi]

Good idea. Nice work.

[rowdyangel]

I have just done an update to the list of inconsistencies.

Here is a revised list, with latest additions in blue:

• Claims that Michael had only 6 months to live back in Dec 2008 and that he was dying from skin cancer
• ‘This Is It’ tour originally scheduled to be 10 dates then changed to 50. It is alleged that Michael was not happy about the number of dates being increased – we have seen footage of Michael saying in the past that he does not enjoy touring
• The first few dates originally scheduled in July were postponed to March 2010 allegedly due to insufficient time for final preparations
• Why were the rehearsals taking place in LA and not London?
• The sudden revelation of the faces of Michael’s children about a month before he ‘died’
• The 911 call on 25th June – the caller did not know the address, no mention of Michael in the actual call, the 911 operator telling the caller to “ring back if they needed anything else” and then hanging up
• No clarity on what actually went on at the time of the 911 call nor who was actually present and movement inside Michael’s house at this time
• All of the staff at the house were dismissed on that day
• Claims that Michael was in very poor health leading up to his ‘death’ yet he had passed a medical confirming that he was fit to go ahead with the tour (for insurance purposes)
• Cigarette packet claimed to have been found in Michael’s bedroom at the time of his ‘death’
• The ambulance photo AND the fake photo alleged to show the moment that the ambulance photo was taken in comparison to ambulance video footage
• No police officers at the scene when the ambulance was leaving the house
• The ambulance not appearing to be in any particular hurry to get Michael to the hospital
• Claims that Michael ‘died’ of a cardiac arrest then claims that it was due to a drugs overdose – constantly changing
• No clarity on how long CPR was administered prior to the 911 call being made
• Claims that Michael was very very thin (emaciated) when he arrived at UCLA
• The questionable video footage of people in the hospital foyer shouting Michael’s name
• The Photoshopped ‘This Is It’ picture
• The moving body in the helicopter
• The shadow of the body/white sheet when transferred from helicopter to coroner’s van
• The video of Michael stepping out of the coroner’s van AND then the subsequent ‘fake’ (the making of) video claimed to have been put together by TMZ
• Death certificate has not been signed
• No clarity on Michaels’ middle name – Joseph or Joe?
• Nobody has yet been charged or arrested
• Key witnesses (who claim to have been there when Michael ‘died’) were only questioned almost 2 months after the ‘death’
• Dr Conrad Murray – hardly any historical information about him on the internet, only a couple of pictures and a questionable web site of his attorney and patient list
• Rehearsal footage from ‘This Is It’ released – in glorious HD
• Conflicting stories about the state of Michael’s health during rehearsals yet he looks pretty healthy on the released rehearsal footage
• Delays to the autopsy report
• No open casket during the memorial
• Use of the word “pains” and not “pain” at the memorial – Will You Be There?
• Casket alleged to contain Michael’s body was never carried and was always on a trolley with wheels
• Constant use of the ‘Liberian Girl’ photos of Michael both at the memorial and the burial – no recent pictures
• Announcement of ‘This Is It’ movie from the many hours of rehearsal footage – all in glorious HD
• Stories that Michael hardly ever turned up to the rehearsals but yet there are many hours of rehearsal footage
• Chief William Bratton (LAPD) announces (during August) that he will retire on 31st Oct 2009
• Stories that the family wanted to have Michael buried at Neverland but could not get ‘planning permission’ for this – although it is a well-known fact that Michael would never want to be buried there
• Members of the Jackson family referring to Michael in present tense in many interviews
• The burial being postponed numerous times
• The burial looking like a movie, lack of emotion
• Dr Conrad Murray’s YouTube video
• No open casket during the burial
• Claims by the Jackson family that Michael “looked great” for his burial – really after 3 months?
• Live feed at the burial only until the casket arrived
• Randy Jackson’s outburst at the media for breaching the ‘no-fly zone’ during the burial and urging the media not to use any of the footage from the helicopter
• People not knowing exactly where the body was prior to the burial
• Conflicting stories about which members of the Jackson family had actually seen Michael’s body
• A Tribute Concert announced with ‘top stars’ who then promptly dropped out resulting in the concert being postponed until June 2010 AND to another country altogether
• Stories emerged that Michael was not actually able to perform in the UK until June 2010 due to a breach of contract
• Dr Arnold Klein sues Dr Steven Hoefflin in the prescription drugs saga
• More ‘This Is It’ rehearsal footage is released along with the full trailer for the movie
• Janet Jackson looking very p155ed off during her tribute performance at the VMA
• Katherine Jackson wins a ruling allowing her to have more control over Michael’s €400 million estate
• Dr Conrad Murray’s girlfriend subpoenaed to grand jury
• Secret tapes emerge of Michael Jackson describing his brothers as “lazy moaners”
• The strapline on the This Is It movie poster changed from “as you’ve never seen him before” to “discover the man you never knew”
• The Beatles suddenly being plastered all over the place

Don't forget to let me know if you think of anything else!!!

[~StarLight~UK~]

rowdyangel ~ a summary thread ~ this is fab work!

Now I don't have to go back and forth from topic to topic, trying to remember everything little thing!!!

You're a star!!

[Harleyblonde]

Very well done. This is what we need-actual facts insted of (no offence!!) hatmann MJ? E'cass MJ? Doc Murray doesn't exist/is MJ/photo's changed? numbers giving clues? Is Cassandra real/being honest? MJ is giving clues? there are many many more and is commendable that all is digging deep but some of the theories are bordering on the totally unrealistic and it is all I think possible confusing us and looking into things that maybe arn't there. It is very enlightning to have all the ACTUAL facts we have written in order and in a list and I think we all need to concentrate on the facts such as these. Hopefully there will be many more.

[rowdyangel]

Very well done. This is what we need-actual facts insted of (no offence!!) hatmann MJ? E'cass MJ? Doc Murray doesn't exist/is MJ/photo's changed? numbers giving clues? Is Cassandra real/being honest? MJ is giving clues? there are many many more and is commendable that all is digging deep but some of the theories are bordering on the totally unrealistic and it is all I think possible confusing us and looking into things that maybe arn't there. It is very enlightning to have all the ACTUAL facts we have written in order and in a list and I think we all need to concentrate on the facts such as these. Hopefully there will be many more.

My pleasure. I intentionally made sure that I didn't include anything in the list that was based on theory (i.e. O2 guy, Hat Man etc). I wanted to stress the importance of having FACTS - things we have seen, read or heard, nothing more. Glad you like it.

[ballongiraf]

also note that propofol was never mentioned in connection with MJs "death" until nurse Cherilyn Lee began talking about MJ asking her for it. Shortly after Arnold Klein told the media that an anesthesiologist had given MJ propofol every night during the history tour. Shortly after this, Murray suddenly remembered that he had kept propofol in MJ's house, and the police finally managed to find the propofol during their 2nd raid of the house after Murray had told them where to look.
That's how propofol came into the equation. Up until that happened, it was believed that MJ "died" of a painkiller overdose - something that was forgotten the second propofol got mentioned.

[rowdyangel]

also note that propofol was never mentioned in connection with MJs "death" until nurse Cherilyn Lee began talking about MJ asking her for it. Shortly after Arnold Klein told the media that an anesthesiologist had given MJ propofol every night during the history tour. Shortly after this, Murray suddenly remembered that he had kept propofol in MJ's house, and the police finally managed to find the propofol during their 2nd raid of the house after Murray had told them where to look.
That's how propofol came into the equation. Up until that happened, it was believed that MJ "died" of a painkiller overdose - something that was forgotten the second propofol got mentioned.

Thanks Ballon. I will add that to the list and include it in the next update

[ilprincipe]

also note that propofol was never mentioned in connection with MJs "death" until nurse Cherilyn Lee began talking about MJ asking her for it. Shortly after Arnold Klein told the media that an anesthesiologist had given MJ propofol every night during the history tour. Shortly after this, Murray suddenly remembered that he had kept propofol in MJ's house, and the police finally managed to find the propofol during their 2nd raid of the house after Murray had told them where to look.
That's how propofol came into the equation. Up until that happened, it was believed that MJ "died" of a painkiller overdose - something that was forgotten the second propofol got mentioned.

Very interesting..I never realized that..resp. already forgot it because of the flood on information during the last 3 months.

@ rowdyangel: Your summary is very well done...was a lot of hard work I guess..

although I sometimes like shady sources...not like Cassandra...more like TMZ or some twitter accounts, myspace pages and youtube vids are quite interesting IMO

[rowdyangel]

....... I sometimes like shady sources...not like Cassandra...more like TMZ or some twitter accounts, myspace pages and youtube vids are quite interesting IMO

Thanks. Yes I did wonder about adding in stuff like the strange Twitter accounts and MySpace pages but I decided not to. As interesting as some of them might be, I just wanted to keep this as factual as possible. There is a lot on this list and I didn't want to make it more difficult to digest than it already is - lol.

[ilprincipe]

no it's completely ok....
you are focussed on the facts..that counts...

I sometimes clutch at every straw *lol*

[jade jackson]

I think it would be really cool if we could keep this thread going...keep adding to it as things come to mind. We could add in new odd things as they occur and as we remember them...sticking to real facts and inconsitencies as was the intention of this thread from the start...steering clear of theories, at least here. Maybe seeing all the facts in one place will help people form new theories on other threads.

These are some of the things (below) that I mention to people whenever I suggest to them that Michael may well be still be alive and that most probably everything we have seen and heard related to the "death" is a smokescreen for what really happened.

(Some of these may already be on the main list..if so, sorry for the repetition.)

The "body" was transported wrapped in a white sheet rather than in a blue body bag

No doctor at the hospital made a statement that Michael Jackson had died. The UCLA newsletter only mentioned the "death" by saying that Michael had died, according to a statement by the family.

There are still only two or three photos of Conrad Murray and he STILL has not been arrested.

The ambulance pulled away from MJ's house with no lights or sirens.

William Bratton's resigned as Chief of Police... ironically his wife is an actress and a reporter who covered the trial and was sympathetic to Michael.

The photographer who shot the ambulance photos did an interview in which he talks about shooting the photos "that day and the other day," seeming to say that the pictures were taken on two different days.

The movie after the credits. Michael's remark that he will be back in his own time.

The numerous pieces of information that have come to light about Motolla and Sony in the last few months....this by itself is a very long list and I am not the person best qualified to start it...other than to say I was shocked to hear Motolla say that he is now in charge of the unreleased MJ songs.

The security tapes from MJ's house and Murray's storage facility are missing.

The "crime scene" was not sealed for days and the Jackson's came and went freely, thus compromising any evidence.

The 911 call. The operator hung up saying call us back if you need anything. and in the uncut version of the call a woman's voice is heard saying "one minute left."

Two totally opposite autopsy reports. One sick, frail, on drugs, the other healthy no drugs.

The two different views of Forest Lawn each very different from the other...trees in one..gone in the other. Driveway there in one, not there in the other.

Inconsistency regarding trash pick-up at Michael's house. It was not put out on trash day due to filming?

Disclaimer: I was trying to get my thoughts down here as they came to me and from memory alone. If I have misrepresented anything or if anything I listed is not true, please just correct me...edit my post or whatever.

I know other people have been working on lists of odd facts and inconsitensies...so I thought it might be really helpful to keep the thread going so we can be continually reminded that we are all here for a very good reason.....

The last post here was on September 24, so over a month has passed, and with all of the research people have done, many more facts and inconsitencies have come to light I think it would be great if we could continue posting on this thread, or another thread...depending on what seems most appropriate. Since it is RowdyAngel's idea and her list maybe she could suggest how to proceed or maybe just keep adding to her list. The list also might be easier to read if it were numbered and posted in bigger fonts...just ideas. My only thought really was to keep a list like this going. Is this the place to do that? Maybe we could use the method Wikipedia uses, and update the list continually as we think of things....not sure how that could best be accomplished or if that would be ok with the original poster (rowdyangel) It also seems like a good idea to keep the list coherent by not interrupting it with multiple quotes and avatars, etc. Anyway, let me know what you think.

[lonelynation]

I just posted a thread like this.. I didn't realize you'd started one..
I posted a few things on it

https://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-escape-theory-for-all-theories-stating-that-michael-will-not-come-back-f39/june-25th-overview-of-reports-facts-t3228.htm#76521

[jade jackson]

I was looking for your thread originally..is there any way we could get all of this on one thread. Thank you for starting your thread. It is really helpful to me to be reminded of this stuff. BTW rowdyangel started this thread...I just re-discovered it when I couldn't find yours.

[lonelynation]

I'll just copy/paste it all over to this one

[lonelynation]

Autopsy

Source: http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/10/01/michael-jackson-autopsy-reveals-star-was-healthy-prior-to-death/

Michael Jackson was for the most part healthy at the time of his death on June 25th, the Associated Press writes after obtaining a copy of the still-unreleased autopsy report. Despite rumors that Jackson appeared gaunt and was “listless” at rehearsals in the weeks leading up to his death, the autopsy findings reveal that Jackson weighed 136 pounds, within the normal range of a 5′ 9” man, and that “his heart was strong with no sign of plaque buildup,” the AP writes. Jackson’s other major organs were also found to be normal.

The autopsy found that Jackson did suffer from a condition that made his lungs “chronically inflamed and had reduced capacity that might have left him short of breath,” but this didn’t contribute to the singer’s death. Furthermore, Jackson also had arthritis in his lower back and fingers, plus some plaque buildup in his lower legs. The autopsy did uncover needle marks all over Jackson’s arms, scarring on his face and neck and tattooed eyebrows and lips. Jackson’s ribs were crack and chest bruised from attempts to resuscitate the singer.

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Source: http://www.inquisitr.com/27642/michael-jackson-autopsy-leaked/

According to the leaked document Michael was literally skin and bones having barely eaten and the contents of his stomach showing only pills, although they don’t say what kind. His hips, shoulders and thighs supposedly were riddled with needle wounds which is believed to be a result of daily injections of narcotic painkillers.

Further details in the report supposedly point to a wig wearing anorexic body weighing about 112 pound. Additionally the body had several broken ribs from the rescuers attempts to resuscitate him. There is also suggestions that four injection sites were found above or near to his heart.

Three of the injections had penetrated the heart wall — causing damage — but a fourth missed and hit one of the 50-year-old star’s ribs.

The autopsy also found unexplained BRUISING on Jackson’s knees and on the fronts of both shins. And there were CUTS on his back, indicating a recent fall.

The King of Pop’s once handsome face bore a network of plastic surgery scars, while the bridge to his nose had vanished and its right side had partially collapsed.

As inquiries into the tragedy last night focused on the star’s personal physician Dr Conrad Murray, a source close to the Jackson entourage said: “Michael’s family and fans will be horrified when they realise the appalling state he was in.

“He was skin and bone, his hair had fallen out and had been eating nothing but pills when he died. Injection marks all over his body and the disfigurement caused by years of plastic surgery show he’d been in terminal decline for years."

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KING: Yes. Now, there are reports, doctor, that his body was riddled — I want to get this right — with needle marks when he died.

Did you see any evidence of needle marks on this visit?

KLEIN: Well, I didn’t examine his entire body.

KING: Had you seen any in prior exams?

KLEIN: No, I never saw needle marks on his body. I mean I never saw them. But I could tell you— but I didn’t see a riddling of anything. People sound like he looked like he was made of, you know, there were holes in him. And there weren’t anything like that.

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Random bits...

Source: http://stupidcelebrities.net/2009/06/29/michael-jackson-autopsy-results-leaked-shocking-results/

Michael Jackson had recently developed stage fright and was terrified at the thought of performing his upcoming shows.
Sources close to Jackson said he actually believed he would be killed if he pulled out of doing the concerts.



Source: http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/michael-jacksons-second-autopsy-why-would-it-be-needed

This second autopsy will be performed by an independent doctor that is hired by the family, and although it is harder to gain results the second time around, because the body has already been through a procedure, sometimes it is necessary to obtain more information and be more focued.

[lonelynation]

Toxicology

Source: http://stupidcelebrities.net/2009/08/28/la-coroner-rules-michael-jackson-death-a-homicide-killed-by-prescription-drug-cocktail/

The Los Angeles County Coroner has ruled pop star Michael Jackson’s death a homicide. Read more the coroner’s findings below.
The LA Coroner says that Michael Jackson was killed by a cocktail of strong prescription drugs,.
In an announcement made on Friday (28Aug09), Jackson’s death was ruled a homicide and blamed on the “acute” presence of the anaesthetic Propofol and anti-anxiety drug Lorazepam in his system.
In addition to the Propofol and Lorazepam, Jackson also had (Versed), Diazepam (Valium), Lidocaine (topical anaesthetic) and Ephedrine in his system prior to his death on 25 June (09).


Narcan
Source: http://www.ghettomedic.com/narcan.htm

Description
Naloxone is a competitive narcotic antagonist used in the management and reversal of overdoses caused by narcotics and synthetic narcotic agents. Unlike other narcotic antagonists, which do not completely inhibit the analgesic properties of opiates, naloxone antagonizes all actions of morphine.


Onset & Duration
Onset: Within 2 min.
Duration: 30-60 min.


Indications
1. For the complete or partial reversal of CNS and respiratory depression induced by opioids:
a) Narcotic agonist: Morphine Sulfate Heroin
Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) Methadone
Meperidine (Demerol) Paregoric
Fentanyl citrate (Sublimaze) Oxycodone (Percodan, Percocet)
Codeine Propoxyphene (Darvon, Darvocet)
b) Narcotic agonist and antagonist Butorphanol tartrate (Stadol)
Pentazocine (Talwin)
Nalbuphone (Nubain)
2. Decreased level of consciousness
3. Coma of unknown origin
4. Circulatory support in refractory shock (investigational)
5. PCP and ETOH intoxications (investigational)

[lonelynation]

June 25th, 2009.


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson

The death of Michael Jackson occurred after he suffered cardiac arrest at his home in Holmby Hills, Los Angeles, California on June 25, 2009. He was treated by paramedics at his home, but was pronounced dead at the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center.
His personal physician, Conrad Murray, stated he found Jackson in his room, not breathing but with a faint pulse, and administered CPR to no avail. While initial reports discussed the possible role of painkillers in Jackson's death, attention later turned to the medications he reportedly took for insomnia, most notably the anesthetic propofol (Diprivan).

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Source: http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2009/08/24/michael-jackson-coroner.html

The star had demanded the drug to induce sleep, Murray told police, according to the affidavit.
He also told police he feared Jackson was forming an addiction to the drug and had tried to wean him off it over a period of weeks by giving him a lower dose and using other drugs.
The doctor told police he gave Jackson Valium at 1:30 a.m. and injected lorazepam intravenously at 2 a.m. on the day he died. When Jackson was still awake at 3 a.m. on June 25, Murray administered midazolam.
Then at 10:40 a.m., Murray administered 25 milligrams of propofol after Jackson begged for the drug.
Murray told police he left Jackson alone so he could make telephone calls to his Houston office and family members. When he returned, he discovered Jackson was not breathing and performed CPR.
Jackson was pronounced dead in hospital shortly afterward.

Murray's lawyer, Edward Chernoff, said in a statement late Monday his client never told detectives he left Jackson and returned to find he had stopped breathing on June 25.

[jade jackson]

Thank you so much lonelynation. It's great to have all of this in one place. I hope it's cool with rowdyangel too. She has a great list going and I hope she continues to update it. More crazy stuff keeps coming out everyday. It's hard to keep track anymore.

[lonelynation]

I know jade jackson!
It's insane all of this stuff floating around!

[MJSTAR]

Oh and don't forget Debbie Rowe claiming she wasn't the mother of prince and paris she was just a vessel then recanting soon after. Debbie wanted custody of children, was going to take it to court it was postponed twice then a private arrangement was made.

[ILuvUMoreMJ]

This is an excellent thread! We tried to start one with just the facts last night but it didn't take off. I hope this one keeps going because dealing with facts are what is most important imo.

What about things like firing Tohme, Grace, Rowe, and rehiring Dileo, Branca, etc?

[rowdyangel]

Thank you so much lonelynation. It's great to have all of this in one place. I hope it's cool with rowdyangel too. She has a great list going and I hope she continues to update it. More crazy stuff keeps coming out everyday. It's hard to keep track anymore.

Oh dear, I'm afraid because I haven't been online that much that I haven't been keeping this up-to-date.

However, if anyone wants to copy my list at the start of this thread, update it and re-post it, please feel free.

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