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Post by dunno_it on Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:16 pm

HMATclan made a fantastic video prooving that the ambulance video by Hollywood TV was staged. I researched that topic and found my own proofs that it is fake. Let me introduce you to what I found.
First, as far as the ambulance issue is concerned, there are 3 sources to consider
1) the hollywoodTV vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXRaJFdmKU
2) the Daily world News vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_VWCpIgrJI
3)the interview with the guy who supposedly took the ambulance pic vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR-HSc2aM4
Now, it seems that the second one, the tourist vid is the genuine one, while the matierial in 1 and 2 is staged. In the hollywood tv vid and the paparazzi vid, there is a guy in a yellow T-shirt, Chris, who supposedly took MJ's last pic:
papparazi vid pic
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there's Chris in there
hollywoodTV vid pic of chris:
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he's behind the guy in red..
Anomaly # 1. there is no chris in the genuine tourist vid!!:
Another proof that the ambulance video was faked Redturist
IMO, this prooves that chris who took the abulance pic was staged, therefore the ambulance pic itself is undoubtedly fake.
Anomaly # 2, the guy in the red shirt is on the right side of the ambulance, never behind it, as the tourist video shows. But in the papparazzi vid he is behind it, consider the first pic again. Note that the hollywood vid also shows him on the ride side of the ambulance together with chris. Hmmm, to me it looks suspicious....
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Post by Red Velvet on Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:40 pm

GREAT FIND! Thanks for posting these two different accounts.

Its interesting to compare perspectives. I'm still looking for the "yellow shirt" guy in the tour bus' version and it does not look like the black car is closely behind the ambulance in the Hollywood version - it was only 1 car length away and there seems to be a lot more traffic in the Tour bus version. I'm also not sure the same people are standing around the driveway in both versions. Its worth continueing to compare.

Additionally in this interview I feel this guy is let me just say, "fabricating" his account of what happened ... you can hear it in his voice and notice the tense-change in his account of when he "saw the picture" Chris took.

Also, when asked what was the reaction within the hour afterward, the papp answers by elaborating on the fact that he has spent the last ten years following Michael and goes on to say that there was always hospitals.... then he goes on to list the times Michael was going to the hospital in different cities ....and even remarks "this is Micheal Jackson" ... he's ... drama ... maybe he goes to the hospitals to get out of concerts or something"

(then admits he's speculating) ...

but then, he says (and I quote) :

"at this point it was just an everyday Michael story and then about a half an hour later we read online ya know on TMZ they said Michael Jackson dead and uh at that point we were stunned, we were silenced, the office was silent and uh it was a whole different ball game then"

My problem with this is the fact that he just got finished saying he has spent the last 10 years following Michael to hospitals ....

Why did he choose this time, with all the live-action-drama right before his eyes..WHY did he choose to go back to the office instead of doing what he's been doing for the last ten years .. following Michael to the hospital?

He also just got through saying that Chris got a shot and when he saw it he felt that maybe they had an important shot for a story and he also claims he saw Michael's face with the oxygen thing and the medical staff etc.

Would this not be all the more reason for a full blooded 10 year "veteran MJ Papparazzi" to follow "the story" to the hospital?

If he wasn't going to look for all the "juicy" Michael Jackson "news shots" he could get his hands on ... what was he doing outside MJ's house in the first place?

What kind of self-respecting Papp of 10 years following this man is going to let an ambulance leave MJ's house and this guy's just gonna run to the office and be on the internet within 30 minutes!

What made it "a different ballgame then"? It looks to me like the same ball game he'd been playing for 10 years.

He would run back to the office, in my opinion only IF - - if he was "on assignment" to get the (planned/anticipated) shot and come straight back to the office.

I noticed how he slipped the TMZ plug in there too...


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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:43 pm

The ambulance video is staged??? Okey, I now officially lost it. Did I miss something??
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Post by dunno_it on Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:50 pm

Dear MyBelovedMJ, we discussed it yesterday. This is one of the STRONGEST PROOFS i've ever seen, please watch this vid and follow the instructions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udVldn-ihTA. You will not regret it, i promise!!! MJ IS ALIVE Smile
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Post by dunno_it on Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:58 pm

Red Velvet, totally agree with you! why didn't he follow MJ to the hospital? He knew from Chris it was MJ in the ambulance, the greatest popstar ever! This could have meant the most valuable material he could have ever gathered, this could have meant MONEY!!! (he seems keen on it) I don't buy it. They staged the video and the pic cause MJ knew the guy. He also knew he needed that picture for the whole situation to seem more reliable.... and so we got the pic, people generally don't question it. But we do. we know that with MJ, a great clebrity that he is, ONE PIC is too few!
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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:03 pm

dunno_it wrote:Dear MyBelovedMJ, we discussed it yesterday. This is one of the STRONGEST PROOFS i've ever seen, please watch this vid and follow the instructions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udVldn-ihTA. You will not regret it, i promise!!! MJ IS ALIVE Smile



OMG. That made me throw up

HOLY LORD.

Please come back now Michael, its not a good thing to not know where you are, I miss you so badly, and I dont wanna play "Hide and seek" anymore. Sad

Ohh, I know you cant come back just yet, but then atleast consider it when you are sure its safe.. Just to let us know that you are alive

This is freaking killing me


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Post by dunno_it on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:04 pm

Oh, and one more anomaly. Chris (the yellow guy) has a hat on in the papparazzi video pic... But he has no hat in the hollywood TV pic, woohoo! Another inconsistency!!
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Post by Red Velvet on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:04 pm

dunno_it wrote:Red Velvet, totally agree with you! why didn't he follow MJ to the hospital? He knew from Chris it was MJ in the ambulance, the greatest popstar ever! This could have meant the most valuable material he could have ever gathered, this could have meant MONEY!!! (he seems keen on it) I don't buy it. They staged the video and the pic cause MJ knew the guy. He also knew he needed that picture for the whole situation to seem more reliable.... and so we got the pic, people generally don't question it. But we do. we know that with MJ, a great clebrity that he is, ONE PIC is too few!
Exactly. And the way he goes on pointing at the picture talking about it in detail seems like a lot of "extra" effort to explain and it really sounds "fake" when he starts talking about how "in a historic sense we realized we had to put this picture out"

He is a PAPPARAZZI. His entire reason for existence was to get a picture worth "putting out" of MJ yet he talks like he was some "fan" (he used that word) who happened to get a "good shot" when his entire life has centered around following this man to hospitals of all places, to get the money shot.
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Post by dunno_it on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:34 pm

Why the hell would he "realize in the historic sense that he had to put that pic out" if he highlighted that it was usual for him to follow MJ in the ambulance cause Michael was notorious for going to hospitals? Somehow he felt the momentousness of the situation all of a sudden, huh? scratch
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Post by Rach on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:48 pm

Dunno_it, this is so off topic but I freaking love your avatar! I could stare at it all day..........
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Post by hungry on Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:58 pm

THIS IS BEYOND AMAZING.
SPECTACULAR
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Post by Red Velvet on Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:19 pm

dunno_it wrote:Why the hell would he "realize in the historic sense that he had to put that pic out" if he highlighted that it was usual for him to follow MJ in the ambulance cause Michael was notorious for going to hospitals? Somehow he felt the momentousness of the situation all of a sudden, huh? scratch
yeh exactly! ahahaha what a joke ... I love it!

These two videos are very interesting to compare.

I never approach these "investigations" with an eye toward trying to "make a case for MJ being alive" - I try very hard to approach them from the opposite perspective so that the evidence will speak for itself ... still working on this comparison ... its very interesting.

For one thing, the tour bus is further away and to the left of the driveway right next to the fire truck ... the Hollywood video camera is closer to the end of the driveway, so I'm just trying to keep these perspectives in mind while comparing.

Someone who was at the scene, (a fan who so happened to be "staked out" there when it all happened) tells me that Papps did jump on the ambulance to get a picture so I'm trying to keep that in mind also.

I find it interesting that I do not see the guy in the yellow shirt in the tour bus version and there seems to be a lot more traffic on the street.

I also think that what the Hollywood video is, is a cut and flip job. I think they showed the last part of the video first and the first part of the video last, when the tour bus first arrives.

Do you see that too?
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Post by Truth_or_Dare on Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:13 am

This is a great find dunno_it! Laughing Laughing I'm more convinced than ever that he's alive and the hole thing was staged...I didn't expect so many people to be involved in this though....and i would have thought they would have planned it better...but I guess we'll see what happens if he comes back...maybe it was meant like this cause he's coming back.Otherwise there was a much simpler way to do it so that nobody would doubt.
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Post by rowdyangel on Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:33 pm

dunno_it wrote:Oh, and one more anomaly. Chris (the yellow guy) has a hat on in the papparazzi video pic... But he has no hat in the hollywood TV pic, woohoo! Another inconsistency!!

I noticed that too - a baseball cap. You just beat me to it - lol.

JB.
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Post by justafan on Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:20 pm

sorry, the videos are real. HMATclan interpreted the timing wrong.


the pickup truck did not pass before the bus AFTER the ambulance left but was the last car that passed by BEFORE the ambulance started driving backwards - so the first car in line after the ambulance was indeed the tour bus.
yeah, it was on a different position in the hollywood tv video but there are a lot of seconds gap. so inbetween the bus was forced to drive backwards. you can easily spot the bus in the hollywood tv video when the guy is running backwards.

the actual footage of the hollywood tv video was done by a guy who is not visible in the tour bus video because he is blocked by the blonde woman. if you look really really close you can see him in the beginning .. he is further away from the ambulance than we thought but the footage is really shaky and points to the fact that he was closing up with his cam.

Chris is there in the bus video. you can see him running to the right side of the bus at second 10 and 11 - with his cap on. seems that he threw it away / knocked it off his head after or while doing the shot.

both videos match each other and are real. I watched them over and over again hoping for HMATclan's theory to be right but unfortunately he / she didn't watch close enough and the theory is wrong.

Please don't hate me for posting this but I wanna find HARD evidence and not something that is no real clue just because I want it to be -

Believing in false proof is not the way we will find out the truth


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Post by WanaBstartnSthn on Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:34 pm

justafan wrote:sorry, the videos are real. HMATclan interpreted the timing wrong.

the bus can be seen when the cameraman runs back and the footage is done by a guy who is not visible on the video from the bus crew.

no hoax in the videos


and Chris is ther in the bus video. you can see him running to the right side of the bus at second 10 - with his cap on. seems that he threw it away after doing the shot.


no offense but i sincerely hope you're wrong about the timing thing. Sad
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Post by Red Velvet on Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:05 pm

justafan wrote:sorry, the videos are real. HMATclan interpreted the timing wrong.


the pickup truck did not pass before the bus AFTER the ambulance left but was the last car that passed by BEFORE the ambulance started driving backwards - so the first car in line after the ambulance was indeed the tour bus.
yeah, it was on a different position in the hollywood tv video but there are a lot of seconds gap. so inbetween the bus was forced to drive backwards. you can easily spot the bus in the hollywood tv video when the guy is running backwards.

the actual footage of the hollywood tv video was done by a guy who is not visible in the tour bus video because he is blocked by the blonde woman. if you look really really close you can see him in the beginning .. he is further away from the ambulance than we thought but the footage is really shaky and points to the fact that he was closing up with his cam.

Chris is there in the bus video. you can see him running to the right side of the bus at second 10 and 11 - with his cap on. seems that he threw it away / knocked it off his head after or while doing the shot.

both videos match each other and are real. I watched them over and over again hoping for HMATclan's theory to be right but unfortunately he / she didn't watch close enough and the theory is wrong.

Please don't hate me for posting this but I wanna find HARD evidence and not something that is no real clue just because I want it to be -

Believing in false proof is not the way we will find out the truth
You are saying you see a guy in a yellow shirt at 00:10 - 00:11 ???

I do not. Can you provide a screen shot? I don't imagine anyone is wanting to put hope in concocted information by the way Laughing

Is anyone else seeing the guy in the bright yellow shirt at 10 - 11?
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Post by Truth_or_Dare on Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:25 pm

I noticed one more thing. Tell me if you guys see it too. In the tourist video when they stop the car in front of the gates after just a few seconds go by, 2 cars pass them on their left and if you look in other video, the hollywood tv one, the are no cars passing them in about 30 something seconds and they couldn't either cause they would be blocked by the fire dep truck.
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Post by dunno_it on Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:28 pm

I've analysed the tourist vid frame by frame, Chris is not there! i've provided the best screenshots i could find:Another proof that the ambulance video was faked Redturist
I've watched it 1000 times, and believe me, i wanted to be sceptical, but seriously there's no Chris!
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Post by dunno_it on Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:29 pm

Rach wrote:Dunno_it, this is so off topic but I freaking love your avatar! I could stare at it all day..........
Thank you Rach, while making it, I had yours in mind, it inspired me lol!
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Post by dunno_it on Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:40 pm

Red Velvet, totally agree with you HMAT clan also noticed that the first part of the Hollywood (before the shaking thing) should be actually the first. Why would this guy invert the material? Hmmm, suspicious...
Truth_or-Dare, this is absolutely right, I noticed that too Very Happy
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Post by Grace on Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:45 pm

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Post by Red Velvet on Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:49 pm

dunno_it wrote:I've analysed the tourist vid frame by frame, Chris is not there! i've provided the best screenshots i could find:Another proof that the ambulance video was faked Redturist
I've watched it 1000 times, and believe me, i wanted to be sceptical, but seriously there's no Chris!
Thanks a lot ... I don't see Chris either. Kinda hard to miss that bright yellow shirt.
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Post by justafan on Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:13 pm

Truth_or_Dare wrote:I noticed one more thing. Tell me if you guys see it too. In the tourist video when they stop the car in front of the gates after just a few seconds go by, 2 cars pass them on their left and if you look in other video, the hollywood tv one, the are no cars passing them in about 30 something seconds and they couldn't either cause they would be blocked by the fire dep truck.

that's where the cut is. the hollywood tv video stops with shaking pictures.
everything you see after that is the beginning of the video not the end.

so the scene with the passing cars is not included in the hollywood tv video. i admit it's hard to find out where the cut is but the end is the beginning in the hollywood tv video


for chris see the attached pic. of course you can correct me if I am wrong. But still even if one or two things in this video are not visible it doesn't mean it's not there.

in the second pic you can see Chris behind the red shirt guy.

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Post by dunno_it on Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:40 pm

justafan wrote:sorry, the videos are real. HMATclan interpreted the timing wrong.


the pickup truck did not pass before the bus AFTER the ambulance left but was the last car that passed by BEFORE the ambulance started driving backwards - so the first car in line after the ambulance was indeed the tour bus.
yeah, it was on a different position in the hollywood tv video but there are a lot of seconds gap. so inbetween the bus was forced to drive backwards. you can easily spot the bus in the hollywood tv video when the guy is running backwards.


the actual footage of the hollywood tv video was done by a guy who is not visible in the tour bus video because he is blocked by the blonde woman. if you look really really close you can see him in the beginning .. he is further away from the ambulance than we thought but the footage is really shaky and points to the fact that he was closing up with his cam.

Chris is there in the bus video. you can see him running to the right side of the bus at second 10 and 11 - with his cap on. seems that he threw it away / knocked it off his head after or while doing the shot.

both videos match each other and are real. I watched them over and over again hoping for HMATclan's theory to be right but unfortunately he / she didn't watch close enough and the theory is wrong.

Please don't hate me for posting this but I wanna find HARD evidence and not something that is no real clue just because I want it to be -

Believing in false proof is not the way we will find out the truth
Hi Just a fan, I really appreciate your posts cause they made me reconsider and reanalyze the vids again. I also don't want to believe in clues blindly, however after watching these vids again I must disagree with some of your findings (I might be wrong, though) so:
1) you point out that the guy filming the ambulance (tourist vid) is "blocked by the blond girl". Well, it is impossible cause in the Hollywood vid he's behind the bus (the second part of the vid, which is chronologically the first part):
Another proof that the ambulance video was faked Guybehindbus
The hollywood vid might be a compilation of 2 vids made by 2 different guys, yet the voices in both parts match, so it's the same guy
2) you point taht there is chris in the tourist vid, well:
Another proof that the ambulance video was faked Unbena11
IMO, this is not Chris but a guy in the light shirt, who also had a camera. he's in the hollywood vid:
Another proof that the ambulance video was faked Anothercameramaniffront
you see his hand here (this is not a yellow t-shirt but a LIGHT t-shirt).
You also think Chris is here:
Another proof that the ambulance video was faked Unbena13

At the beginning I also thought so but now I don't think this is him. i think this might be an illusion of light and trees cause only in the next frame, literally in the next milisecond there's only the guy in the red shirt. i don't think he could dissapear just like that! and in the hollywood TV vid he's there for quite a while! He should be also visible in the tourist pic but he's not. Besides, if he stood in that position, the ambulance would hit him, though I'm not sure. this is the next frame:
Another proof that the ambulance video was faked Redturist
He's not there anymore. There is some light/shades and trees behind the red shirt guy, that's it.
3) you say that in the hollywood TV vid you can see the bus when this guy is running, well consider this:I've made some screenshots and I've put them together in this animation:
Another proof that the ambulance video was faked Fireengine
This is the when the camera is shakeing, i've circled the fire engine but I can't see the bus.....
Again, I know I might be wrong, don't hate me if I am, I am trying to investigate study the issue and thint it is great to cooperate with you all. Very Happy
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Post by endlessfire on Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:52 pm

Very good research dunno_it!!!
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Post by justafan on Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:34 pm

justafan wrote:
Truth_or_Dare wrote:I noticed one more thing. Tell me if you guys see it too. In the tourist video when they stop the car in front of the gates after just a few seconds go by, 2 cars pass them on their left and if you look in other video, the hollywood tv one, the are no cars passing them in about 30 something seconds and they couldn't either cause they would be blocked by the fire dep truck.

that's where the cut is. the hollywood tv video stops with shaking pictures.
everything you see after that is the beginning of the video not the end.

so the scene with the passing cars is not included in the hollywood tv video. i admit it's hard to find out where the cut is but the end is the beginning in the hollywood tv video


for chris see the attached pic. of course you can correct me if I am wrong. But still even if one or two things in this video are not visible it doesn't mean it's not there.

in the second pic you can see Chris behind the red shirt guy.

Another proof that the ambulance video was faked Unbena11

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hey dunno, great work there.

You may be right with the first Chris pic I uploaded. I sear I was sure that I did see him moving by there but couldn't find the right frame... While I can't find it let's just leave it with we can't see him ....

But I am almost sure with the second pic. First I thought it was the arm of the red shirt guy but that would be way too big so I think it's Chris. After the shot everything went really quickly so he could have run to the right side.

And yes, he was behind the bus at first but the bus drove backwards at one point which is not captured in the videos.

With the bus and the shaky video: It's on the left side and you can see the people's heads


Sorry for repeating myself but I simply do not want to fall for something that is not a hard proof. And even if Chris may not be in the picture that does not have to mean he wasn't there. Everything went so fast and unfortunately not the complete scene is covered with footage or blocked out...

And in the end there may be ONE mistake that somebody made at a point but if all our findings or guesses were hard proofs then we would have the solution.

I believe in a hoax but I hate to say that we haven't got any hard facts yet. only guesses and things we don't understand (such as people's behaviour.. may it be the jacksons, murray or other people) that we see as hints but can have a totally different reason.

But I'm sure we will find the real facts. But to find them we have to get rid off the false "proofs" first otherwise we won't find anything. Maybe that's why I try to see everything from a "it's real" perspective first. If there is no explanation how the video could have done THEN I would consider it a fake

Maybe you understand what I mean ?
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Post by dunno_it on Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:07 pm

I know exactly what you mean, Justafan and i do agree that all we have is guesses or what some people call "clues" and not hard proofs...yes, and I don't think we should believe MJ is alive because we don't have a pic of his dead body. But stil our hoax theories are attempts at explaining all the incosistecies concerning his death, possibly the most complex death case ever...
Ok I admit i have noticed somethings resembling peoples heads. Still I don't understand:
1) When the bus did move backwards, as in the tourist vid it is only moving forwards and the camera guy seems running at the same time as the tourist vid is being made (i guess assuming that both videos were staged might be a bit too much)
2) still can't find chris after watching videos 20 times again I assume in the second pic it wasn't chris but a patch of light, which stays there in next frames and doesn't seem to be a human being.
i think the best way to know what it is all about is to contact the person who did the tourist vid...
Anyway, thanx for your cooperation, I'll also try to analyze other inconsistencies people have noted Laughing


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Post by dunno_it on Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:38 pm

"1)In the Hollywood TV video sun is bright out
there. In the TMZ tourist bus video the shadows on the street are
closer to the garbage bins and the garbage bins are already partially
in the tree's shadow.

2)In addition there are one times pylones around the firetruck, one times they are not.
3) And
the bus stops at a parallel parking spot in one video, in the other the
bus stops in the middle of the road with it's rear close to the rear of
the firetruck"
These are great findings, I agree, thanks Grace! What a Face
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Post by dunno_it on Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm

Oh, yeah, one more thing, the guy who was filming was indeed on the left of the ambulance, and then went round it to film the right side of it (hollywood TV). In the tourist vid there's only one guy filming the left side of the ambulance- the one who somehow 'forgot' to film the right side of it too Laughing There's no other cameraman who matches this description, really!!
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