Have You Guys Ever Thought About This.....

Okay so i was thinking…you know how Hat-Man was at the Memorial? and
People Thought He Was Michael (im Still Confused On That) but you know
He Was Sitting With The Family…But Ive Been Thinking About This
People Like Hat-Man i Believe Michael Knows Them…And Like how
michael loved to use disguises or what-not maybe since michael knows
the Actual Hat-man it was okay for him to take on his identity for that
day or whatever
Same thing with Dave Dave-IDK about Dave Dave ive been reading what you guys post about him
but since im trying to make a point =) lol
Since Michael Knows Dave and He Helped him and He Loved him … maybe
it was also okay for Michael to use his identity for at least a day…i
dont know
maybe that could explain why dave looks different in the first and
second videos souza posted…and yes i noticed his scars are in different
spots
that could also explain why Hat-Man looks so normal now and not like
hes disguised at the funeral unlike the memorial…but i dont know thats
just my thoughts
i believe that if michael hoaxed his death he would want to use
disguises that are of actual real people so that there would not be as
much speculation and you wont know what dusguise he'll use next…also
because it'll make it possible for michael to attend Funerals, and
Memorials, as a family or friend and no one will pay any mind to the
person…

one more thing about the funeral this isnt my thought its my
sisters…i was watching the funeral the other day live when they were
showing things and the celebs were signing some thing…since my sister
knows about the Reality show and Movie she was like what are they
signing i said there just signing in because of the reality show and
she was talking about the big lights like movie lights around and i
said the reality show she said reality show my A they could be signing
confidentiality things like those (because mj isnt 'dead' and there not
seeing a open casket just there to be there) that everyone else signed
like the dancers and stuff…but im not sure about that lol i just wanted
to see what you guys say about her thoughts lol shes so serious about
mj being alive she doesnt read forums or anything she just say oh no
open casket, thats because no ones in it…but i have no clue what to
think at this moment so i just read and watch type and think lol

what do you guys think?

These are my thoughts about hat-man:

First(fact): In the past Michael disguised himself as a old man with a head etc, to go at the doors of people promoting his religion.

Hatman showed up at the memorial, and at the funeral. They were 2 different people.
I think it's like this: The hatman at the memorial was Michael. But after the memorial, there where a lot of rumours that hatman could be Michael. With this in his mind, somebode else went to the funeral as hatman. So there was no way that Michael could be covered up there.

There had to be a hatman at the burial too, because if he wasn't there, it looked very strange to the world because it seems like he has a connection with the family sitting near by them at the memorial.
And it's just a fact, that hatman at the funeral is another person!

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:I agree - Hat Man at the Memorial is skinnier that Hat Man at the Burial.
They [the Jacksons' production crew] made a big point of focusing on Hat Man atthe burial as if to address the MJ=Hat Man speculation and you could see that Burial Hat Man was chubbier [fatter] than Hat Man at the Memorial on 7/7 - and people don't gain that much weight that quickly.

i did when i was pregnant with my 1st child

ballongiraf wrote:

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:I agree - Hat Man at the Memorial is skinnier that Hat Man at the Burial.
They [the Jacksons' production crew] made a big point of focusing on Hat Man atthe burial as if to address the MJ=Hat Man speculation and you could see that Burial Hat Man was chubbier [fatter] than Hat Man at the Memorial on 7/7 - and people don't gain that much weight that quickly.

i did when i was pregnant with my 1st child

You don't want to know how much weight I gained when i was pregnant....

MJJ1982 wrote:There had to be a hatman at the burial too, because if he wasn't there, it looked very strange to the world because it seems like he has a connection with the family sitting near by them at the memorial.
And it's just a fact, that hatman at the funeral is another person!

Exactly.
Especially because that other old guy from the huge Jackson Family photo who had the crutch (old bald guy) also showed up at the Burial which proved that Hat Man is not Old Crutch Guy.

I agree - Hat Man at the Memorial is skinnier that Hat Man at the Burial.
They [the Jacksons' production crew] made a big point of focusing on Hat Man atthe burial as if to address the MJ=Hat Man speculation and you could see that Burial Hat Man was chubbier [fatter] than Hat Man at the Memorial on 7/7 - and people don't gain that much weight that quickly.

Hardy Ha Ha Ballon .
Ok Let me amend that line for you:

They [the Jacksons' production crew] made a big point of focusing on Hat Man atthe burial as if to address the MJ=Hat Man speculation and you could see that Burial Hat Man was chubbier [fatter] than Hat Man at the Memorial on 7/7 - and people don't gain that much weight that quickly unless they are pregnant.

Better Now?

Also...Hat Man at the memorial was dressed way different in shabby, un-matched clothes; however, Hat Man at the funeral was dressed very spiffy and nice...and his suit matched! (lol) Just something to think about???

Yea, I completely agree with the theory that Hat Man at the memorial was indeed Michael. Everything about that man just seemed a tad prosthetic (clever disguise), a little awkward, and definitely, definitely wayy skinnier.

Whereas, Funeral Hat Man was CHUBBIER, definitely looked DIFFERENT from the memorial hat man.

It's true that it makes complete sense for Michael to take on the identity of an actual person, rather than making one up himself. How would that look? I mean, some random person no one's seen before comes and sits by the family? I don't think so.

And, yea, I noticed that at the funeral, they paid a LOT of attention with the hat man, with the close ups and everything. It was as if they were trying to say "Okayy, this guy isn't Michael so everyone can just y'know... mosey on along *whistles*".... Especially after the influx of posts, videos and threads regarding this Hat Man on the internet. I mean, they could not have possibly missed that, right? (If they were in charge of holding off the revelation until the actual date)... Youtube alone has a LOT of videos regarding the significance of this hat man and whether or not it's Mike.

I think Mike may be going around protected under the various disguises of ACTUAL people. It's safe, pretty much undetectable, confusing to the naked eye and makes a whole lotta sense in my opinion.

I have been reading these theries about Michael possibly disguising himself and attending so called memorial and funeral (I say "so called because they were too staged etc etc) but I think this speculation is getting rather bizzare to say the least. As I said on another thread I do not think he would risk it and dont forget whenever he did do the good disguises he had professional help so whoever helped him would have to be in on the hoax and realistically if it is all a hoax death the least people in on it the better-the words blackmail and greed spring to mind as unfortunately sometimes human nature is not so good. What do others think?

"Hat Man" is Rick Baker. Hollywood special effect make-up artist who has worked on a ton of films. He worked on Thriller, Captain EO and Ghosts.

To me HatMan is not Rick Baker. They look similar because of the grey hair and beard and darker mustache But Hat man had darker skin.

Can someone post a recent pic of Rick? LOL....Im a poet and didnt even...well yea I did!! LOL

A couple observations:

1) HatMan at "burial" had both a cane and either a phone or a camera.
I'm thinking that was for OUR benefit. (remember the pic? We couldn't decide whether it was a cane or a camera? I think we landed on it was a camera.)

2) HatMan at "burial": There is a shot where you can see the back of his head. It looks like he's wearing "hat hair" -- a hat w/ white hair attached. Somewhere in the burial footage you can see the back of his head. Dark hair under white on the left side of the back of his head -- almost as though we were supposed to see how fake it looked.

Illusionist: Is that confirmed? How do we know it's Rick Baker?

Makes perfect sense that's it's Rick Baker. If Michael is running around in disguise who better than to do his make-up?

Check this out (not sure how true it is)

http://www.metrolyrics.com/2009-michael-jackson-with-a-beard-news.html

Rick Baker T

I totally agree, STARBAY

Harleyblonde wrote:I have been reading these theries about Michael possibly disguising himself and attending so called memorial and funeral (I say "so called because they were too staged etc etc) but I think this speculation is getting rather bizzare to say the least. As I said on another thread I do not think he would risk it and dont forget whenever he did do the good disguises he had professional help so whoever helped him would have to be in on the hoax and realistically if it is all a hoax death the least people in on it the better-the words blackmail and greed spring to mind as unfortunately sometimes human nature is not so good. What do others think?

I completely agree with you.

I think the Hat Man thing is weird, but I don't think it was Michael in either case. But I do think it's weird that the one at the Memorial and the one at the Funeral look so different.

I don't think either of them looks even remotely close to Rick Baker though. Rick Baker has only 2 similarities:

1. He's white
2. He has gray hair

A LOT of people could fit that description. Nothing else about Rick Baker resembles the Hat Man, IMO.

Oh, and it appeared to me as if the guests were signing a guest book. This is customary at a funeral. Even if the funeral was fake, there's no reason not to have a guest book there, because not all the guests would be in on it.

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:I agree - Hat Man at the Memorial is skinnier that Hat Man at the Burial.
They [the Jacksons' production crew] made a big point of focusing on Hat Man atthe burial as if to address the MJ=Hat Man speculation and you could see that Burial Hat Man was chubbier [fatter] than Hat Man at the Memorial on 7/7 - and people don't gain that much weight that quickly.

They could always use fat suits or body suits.

ballongiraf wrote:

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:I agree - Hat Man at the Memorial is skinnier that Hat Man at the Burial.
They [the Jacksons' production crew] made a big point of focusing on Hat Man atthe burial as if to address the MJ=Hat Man speculation and you could see that Burial Hat Man was chubbier [fatter] than Hat Man at the Memorial on 7/7 - and people don't gain that much weight that quickly.

i did when i was pregnant with my 1st child

Could hat-man be pregnant?

over in here in the uk, they have little cards scattered around the seats which the mourners.. so 2 speak.. write there name on and hand them in at the end of the funeral or just leave them on the seats and they are collected!!

so the family know who atteneded!! could be something like that.. just a thought!!

Harleyblonde wrote:I have been reading these theries about Michael possibly disguising himself and attending so called memorial and funeral (I say "so called because they were too staged etc etc) but I think this speculation is getting rather bizzare to say the least. As I said on another thread I do not think he would risk it and dont forget whenever he did do the good disguises he had professional help so whoever helped him would have to be in on the hoax and realistically if it is all a hoax death the least people in on it the better-the words blackmail and greed spring to mind as unfortunately sometimes human nature is not so good. What do others think?

I read somewhere on derekclontz.com that there about 33-36 people in on the hoax.

In the lengthy interview Dr Klein did with TMZ just the other day he made it a point to say (and this is not a quote) ... did you see that man in the third row with the hat? That was and he named either one of MJs Drs. or one of MJs lawyers. So I looked up the name on Google images. NO WAY does hatman look like the guy Klein said he was. I would have to go back to the TMZ link to find that part of the interview. But my issue is why bring that up? Klein said he wasn't invited to memorial or funeral AND Klein did have a cane with him during the interview.....so does hatman. Maybe I'm in a conspiracy frenzy...I don't know. But I do know that things are not adding up here and there are more questions than answers.

So Klein is trying to debunk the Hatman theory?????????? NOT! Klein, its gonna take someone much more TRUSTWORTHY than you to change my mind!!!

me0101 wrote:In the lengthy interview Dr Klein did with TMZ just the other day he made it a point to say (and this is not a quote) ... did you see that man in the third row with the hat? That was and he named either one of MJs Drs. or one of MJs lawyers. So I looked up the name on Google images. NO WAY does hatman look like the guy Klein said he was. I would have to go back to the TMZ link to find that part of the interview. But my issue is why bring that up? Klein said he wasn't invited to memorial or funeral AND Klein did have a cane with him during the interview.....so does hatman. Maybe I'm in a conspiracy frenzy...I don't know. But I do know that things are not adding up here and there are more questions than answers.

GREAT point!!

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:To me HatMan is not Rick Baker. They look similar because of the grey hair and beard and darker mustache But Hat man had darker skin.

Can someone post a recent pic of Rick? LOL....Im a poet and didnt even...well yea I did!! LOL

I don't believe the hatman is RB either. Here's a link to a photo of him taken on October 2, one month after the funeral. So if it was RB at the funeral, he's managed to grow a beard and long hair in one month. His hair is quite long, and he wears it in a long ponytail. He's also managed to grow longer ears, because the ears of the hatman at the funeral are not as long as RB's. Their hands are very different too, IMO. I do think the hatman is a very curious figure, but he just doesn't look like RB to me.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Universal+Studios+Chiller+Eyegore+Awards+Halloween+IW73slO_TITl.jpg

me0101 wrote:In the lengthy interview Dr Klein did with TMZ just the other day he made it a point to say (and this is not a quote) ... did you see that man in the third row with the hat? That was and he named either one of MJs Drs. or one of MJs lawyers. So I looked up the name on Google images. NO WAY does hatman look like the guy Klein said he was. I would have to go back to the TMZ link to find that part of the interview. But my issue is why bring that up? Klein said he wasn't invited to memorial or funeral AND Klein did have a cane with him during the interview.....so does hatman. Maybe I'm in a conspiracy frenzy...I don't know. But I do know that things are not adding up here and there are more questions than answers.

Klein didn't say anything about a man in a hat. He just said that the chief coroner, Ed Winters, was sitting in the 3rd row at the memorial. That is a really strange thing in itself, but it has nothing to do with hatman.

I'll go back and check that interview but thought he said man in hat.....

I hear ya, MJBOOGIE...for me though, it's not that I think MJ wouldn't risk it. It's that I just don't think it's him. The hatman doesn't seem to be in makeup to me (at either the funeral or the memorial), although the memorial hatman did seem to have weird hair, facial hair etc. But overall, it's just mostly a gut feeling for me. I just don't think it's him. And MJ could watch the memorial and/or funeral without having to actually be sitting there. Just my opinion though.