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Post by illusionist on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:19 am

Someone over at MJHD called up Forest Lawn and spoke with the guy who embalmed MJ. Here's the kicker, he wouldn't admit to anything and kept referring the caller to TMZ. What the Hell?

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/general-discussion/we-talked-to-the-embalmer-at-forest-lawn-this-is-how-it-went-down
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Post by dancer1792 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:23 am

That's really strange. I guess he forgot if he was susposed to have embalmed MJ or not..."What does TMZ say?"...so if they said he did, i guess he did, because he can't remember. lol
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Post by illusionist on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:25 am

That embalmer sounds all shady! Embalmer 8473 Lol
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Post by WanaBstartnSthn on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:32 am

This was the first post i read over at MJHD when I woke up this mornin and it made me shriek with excitement. This is definitely VERY telling, very telling indeed. Michael I love you so much, we're onto you, Mister!!!
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Post by marsheliamorgan on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:34 am

what was said,i tried to click on link and it says there is no subject under that?can u help
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Post by dancer1792 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:36 am

this is what pois1011 said:



diamond and i called the forest lawn glendale cemetery and we talked to the embalmer ..this convo is a little weird but hey at least he called us back and this is how my personal conversation went..

ok i called the embalmer this time myself. at forest lawn glendale.ok so i left my number and he called me back.. so he asked me what his id number was i said 8473 according to the death certificate right then he asked me why i think he embalmed mj i said well its your id number on the dc right he said well what does tmz say..i said well did you embalm michael jackson he said what does tmz say.then i asked have you been silenced as well then his voice got all shaky and then i said well i was told death by injection by another is not a legal cause of death he then said well all i can say is he passed away.. but he would not admit to embalming mj once so ever he kept pushing tmz down my throat.. go figure..Embalmer 8473 Sf-cool
Embalmer 8473 Sf-cool
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:37 am

marsheliamorgan I have the same problem. maybe you have to be a member over there? or it was deleted?
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:39 am

Why is he worried about TMZ?
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Post by PYT on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:40 am

thats really interesting, my hope has risen. first the coroner then the embalmer.
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Post by rowdyangel on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:41 am

PYT wrote:thats really interesting, my hope has risen. first the coroner then the embalmer.

What have I missed about the coroner?? Damn, I'm away for a few minutes and I miss everything - lol.
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Post by dancer1792 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:51 am

rowdyangel wrote:
PYT wrote:thats really interesting, my hope has risen. first the coroner then the embalmer.

What have I missed about the coroner?? Damn, I'm away for a few minutes and I miss everything - lol.

It was a long time ago when someone called forest lawn, but here is the link.

https://mjkit.forumotion.net/breaking-news-f3/i-called-forest-lamn-t500.htm?highlight=i+called+forest+lawn
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Post by Anika20 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:04 am

Hmmm...thats weird both ways, how do we know that girl really called to the embalmer? we have no proofs of that
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Post by marsheliamorgan on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:06 am

why wouldnt he just admit to embalming?all he would have had to do was say yes,why all the refrences to tmz this is getting stranger by the hour i cant decide i cant imagine why they would want to hide the embalming if he really did die.that just one simple question,he wouldnt have been diclosing any personal information right?
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Post by Anika20 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:09 am

Sorry I don't want to sound rude but I don't think this is really a clue, I am here because I think he is alive, but that thing about the embalmer...doesn't work for me. First we don't know if the girl really called there, and second...maybe the embalmer couldn't say a word because it could be a journalist the one phoning and he would get in troubles giving personal information about Mike.
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Post by illusionist on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:23 am

Anika20 wrote:Sorry I don't want to sound rude but I don't think this is really a clue, I am here because I think he is alive, but that thing about the embalmer...doesn't work for me. First we don't know if the girl really called there, and second...maybe the embalmer couldn't say a word because it could be a journalist the one phoning and he would get in troubles giving personal information about Mike.

No we don't know if this person called - but I don't really see why this person would make that up. Why don't you call and talk to the embalmer if you're suspicious? I find the embalmer shady because I use to work in the mortuary industry and that is not how one would handle a call like that. Period.
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Post by Anika20 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:27 am

I will call myself but I don't have the telephone number, but thats ok..maybe he was shady because it wasn't really Mike the one who was embalmer
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Post by dancer1792 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:28 am

illusionist wrote:
Anika20 wrote:Sorry I don't want to sound rude but I don't think this is really a clue, I am here because I think he is alive, but that thing about the embalmer...doesn't work for me. First we don't know if the girl really called there, and second...maybe the embalmer couldn't say a word because it could be a journalist the one phoning and he would get in troubles giving personal information about Mike.

No we don't know if this person called - but I don't really see why this person would make that up. Why don't you call and talk to the embalmer if you're suspicious? I find the embalmer shady because I use to work in the mortuary industry and that is not how one would handle a call like that. Period.

I agree with illusionist. We don't know if the call was really made, but others have made similar calls and have recieved strange responses. Yeah, we don't know if they actually called either, but why would 10 or so different people fake a call?
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Post by Anika20 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:36 am

I am not saying that they will fake a call...but maybe the embalmer was not so shady, I don't know really what to think! I'm so confussed with all these issue! people saying he is dead, others saying he is alive. I myself believe he is alive, but...I feel so frustrated because there is even a single fact (!) that he is really alive that I am starting to think I need some kind of medical help!! That all thing is horrible!! and once you started to believe he is alive...you started to find clues everywhere, but when you start looking at them one by one, it never works! Sad Sad Sad

If Mike is alive is more than obvious that he doesn't want to have us looking in his life never more, so what are we doing? why we don't let him live the life he always wanted to have and the life he begged for?? Sad Sad Sad

I'm confussed, and I am sorry for my comment
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Post by dancer1792 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:53 am

Don't applogize. It's your opinion and you have a right to it. Embalmer 8473 Icon_smile

I know what you mean, and it is possible. That person could have faked the call to get attention. You never know. I was just saying that if the call was faked, others have called from this forum, and they have recieved strange responses from staff there. There calls kind of prove something strange is going on at Forrest Lawn.
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Post by Anika20 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:59 am

yes you're right...I think I will better stop thinking about Mike because when I am out of home I am starting to look at the ppl to see if one of them if Mike disguised, and I am being serious! o_O
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Post by GirlSaturday on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:23 am

That is hysterical. So now TMZ is the official spokesperson for all things related to MJ? Are they his new press secretary? Embalmer 8473 Lol Embalmer 8473 Icon_scratch

illusionist wrote:Someone over at MJHD called up Forest Lawn and spoke with the guy who embalmed MJ. Here's the kicker, he wouldn't admit to anything and kept referring the caller to TMZ. What the Hell?

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/general-discussion/we-talked-to-the-embalmer-at-forest-lawn-this-is-how-it-went-down
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Post by GirlSaturday on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:26 am

I have already stated that I want to be the first to have an MJ "sighting". Embalmer 8473 Lol

Anika20 wrote:yes you're right...I think I will better stop thinking about Mike because when I am out of home I am starting to look at the ppl to see if one of them if Mike disguised, and I am being serious! o_O
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Post by MiaPaparazzi on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:30 am

Ok guys think about this... when TMZ goes to a commercial, sometimes they throw in a catchy little line...

"We OWN the best stories in Hollywood."
We OWN???

Sorry is this has been posted already, it just popped into my head.


(On Friday it was business as usual as Max and Dax battled it out, each trying to worst the other. In the end, Hodges won by a nose… a baby elephant’s nose, that is. Despite TMZ striving to “own the best stories in Hollywood,” Harvey’s henchmen are well aware that story count regulations state the following: “stories about horses are worth more than stories about people, and in a tie, a horse story can decide the winner.” Although an elephant is most decidedly not a horse, story count officials have ruled that the elephant story breaks the tie in favor of Hodges. http://www.leavethesepeoplealone.org/?p=2448 )

(The website that broke the Michael Jackson story -- and seems to continue to "own" the latest revelations, giving traditional media bigwigs fits -- says it has landed what we were led to believe didn't exist. http://www.akronnewsnow.com/blogs/LettersfromtheEditor/itemdetail.asp?blog=Letters+from+the+Editor&ID=7749)


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Post by MiaPaparazzi on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:33 am

illusionist wrote:
No we don't know if this person called - but I don't really see why this person would make that up. Why don't you call and talk to the embalmer if you're suspicious? I find the embalmer shady because I use to work in the mortuary industry and that is not how one would handle a call like that. Period.

I agree. He WOULD NOT confirm anything, because he is NOT AT LIBERTY TO. Also, just referring the caller to TMZ is unprofessional. The whole call was handled inappropriately on the end of the "embalmer" and if my loved one was buried there I would not be very happy. Just my 2 cents... Wink
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Post by MiaPaparazzi on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:37 am

dancer1792 wrote:Don't applogize. It's your opinion and you have a right to it. Embalmer 8473 Icon_smile

I know what you mean, and it is possible. That person could have faked the call to get attention. You never know. I was just saying that if the call was faked, others have called from this forum, and they have recieved strange responses from staff there. There calls kind of prove something strange is going on at Forrest Lawn.

There is something weird going on there, do you guys remember good ol "ForrestLawn" who claimed to be the MUA at FL? lol... I called them on him/her, but they were very nice. Wouldn't divulge much info though... think we need more people to REALLY call them to form an opinion on this one... IMO.
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Post by MichelleMissesMJ on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:48 am

PYT wrote:thats really interesting, my hope has risen. first the coroner then the embalmer.

I missed that with the coroner. what did he say?
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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:18 pm

"all I can say is that he passed away"?

Why wont he just admit to embalming Michael??? What is up with the TMZ crap all the time?? he cant expect us, to believe in them. Why did he even bother to call back?
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Post by Anika20 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:26 pm

Hmmm all that IS WEIIIIRD! I need a PSYCHOLOGIST! is there someone here???? lol
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Post by ilprincipe on Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:28 pm

This is really confusing me....where do these ppl (the callers) know
the phone nr. from the embalmer?
I don't know anything about FL..but I thought it's a very big cemetery...do they just have 1 embalmer? Or did they ask for the "MJ-embalmer"? Embalmer 8473 Icon_rolleyes

Just read on here...will now continuing to read the story on MJHD Smile
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Post by Anika20 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:39 pm

Thats a good question!!!
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:48 pm

The embalmer had an ID number. She asked for #8473, which was the number on the death certificate.
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Post by mommy on Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:51 pm

I think its about time that we dont trust anything and anybody. The forums are getting bigger and bigger. There might be one or two in between that are in it for the fun. No offense. Embalmer 8473 Icon_silent We have been known to get our selves worked up about anything - everything and unfortunately - nothing.

As long as there is hope there is a way....
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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:52 pm

mjssoulmate wrote:The embalmer had an ID number. She asked for #8473, which was the number on the death certificate.


The DC IS fake. Mabye the embalmer is aswell.??
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Post by hungry on Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:58 pm

MyBelovedMJ wrote:
mjssoulmate wrote:The embalmer had an ID number. She asked for #8473, which was the number on the death certificate.


The DC IS fake. Mabye the embalmer is aswell.??
That's what I thought as well
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Post by mommy on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:04 pm

The DC IS fake. Mabye the embalmer is aswell.??[/quote]

Do we know that for a fact? Not that I disagree, only asking. Embalmer 8473 Icon_geek
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Post by marsheliamorgan on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:07 pm

The DC IS fake. Mabye the embalmer is aswell.??[/quote]

GOOD POINT MBMJ.hadnt thought about that,but,seeing as the DC wasnt signed,then,how do we know that the rest of info on there isnt "fake" or made up too?
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Post by TinkerBell on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:18 pm

GirlSaturday wrote:That is hysterical. So now TMZ is the official spokesperson for all things related to MJ? Are they his new press secretary? Embalmer 8473 Lol Embalmer 8473 Icon_scratch


LMAO! Too funny! Embalmer 8473 Icon_basketball Embalmer 8473 Icon_razz
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Post by nlb on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:44 pm

mommy wrote:I think its about time that we dont trust anything and anybody. The forums are getting bigger and bigger. There might be one or two in between that are in it for the fun. No offense. Embalmer 8473 Icon_silent We have been known to get our selves worked up about anything - everything and unfortunately - nothing.

As long as there is hope there is a way....

I agree. This needs to be taken will at least a grain of salt. The thing that stands out most to me is that this person keeps referencing TMZ. Any lurker or member that has been on this board and MJHD knows that TMZ is often referred to as our Brickman. That being said, it's MHO that someone is just having some fun.
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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:55 pm

marsheliamorgan wrote:The DC IS fake. Mabye the embalmer is aswell.??

GOOD POINT MBMJ.hadnt thought about that,but,seeing as the DC wasnt signed,then,how do we know that the rest of info on there isnt "fake" or made up too?[/quote]


Good question Smile
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Post by Anika20 on Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:54 pm

I don't know really about TMZ because in Spain we can't see/hear news from there...but as far as I think to know that media in particular is not really serious and/or good...I meant it's not like for example the CNN or another channel like that so, how come that TMZ had and has already all the news related to Mike's dead?? How can this be possible?

We are actually thinking that maybe (and just maybe) Mike or someone from the Jackson family is actually passign information to this channel (sorry I don't know if it's a channel or not, but I could it channel) in order to make the ppl. that Mike really died...you know what I mean, don't you?

But the point is..that if Mike really died that horrible 25th June...why no one saw his body?? I was truly expecting that the Jacksons will open the coffin on the Memorial or at least on the burial, I wasn't hoping a pic of that but c'mon! there were many people on Mike's memorial and they could have arrange a place where ppl would actually visited Mike's coffin w/o cameras or mobile phones, because as someone had pointing out, it seems to be that the family was actually buring a superstart but they were not treating Mike as family/brother/father/friend...so how come they didn't open his coffin to his fans??

Something is wrong on here!! What happened with the body?? Mike was supposed to be in a perfect state because he didn't have an accident or anything of the sort, so they would have open the coffin! they didn't, but instead they made a CIRCUS from the death of a person, who for us was a superstar, but for them was and is family!!

I will never, ever made that thing if my bro./son/ father died!! even if he was a superstar because before being a superstar he will be my relative!!

The Jacksons had to have show more respect towards him!!!
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Post by illusionist on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:11 pm

ilprincipe wrote:This is really confusing me....where do these ppl (the callers) know
the phone nr. from the embalmer?
I don't know anything about FL..but I thought it's a very big cemetery...do they just have 1 embalmer? Or did they ask for the "MJ-embalmer"? Embalmer 8473 Icon_rolleyes

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Sometime ago someone looked up the embalmer's license # through some sort of California funeral directory. I don't recall his name, but it's Spanish.
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Post by Human_nature on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:17 pm

Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day."


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Post by illusionist on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:21 pm

Couldn't find the old thread from a few weeks ago on MJHD, but here's a website that has the embalmer's name:

http://michaeljacksonfuneral.org/michael-jacksons-death-certificate/

"According to the Cemetery and Funeral Bureau in Sacramento, embalming license number 8473 belongs to Jesus Miguel Ruiz."

I knew it was a Spanish name! Embalmer 8473 Lol
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Post by illusionist on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:26 pm

Here's the number for Forest Lawn if anyone wants to call Jesus Miguel Ruiz

1-800-204-3131


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Post by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:26 pm

I called Forest Lawn...don't remember when, last month sometime (I posted it on this site.) I asked about Michael's death.

I also sent a couple e-mails to the coroner.

(I'm just posting this to let you know that there were quite a few of us who really did call.) Embalmer 8473 Icon_biggrin





:~ Michael, you are so L.O.V.E.D ~:



(BTW: I'm in CA., so it's not big deal for me to call...)



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Post by illusionist on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:28 pm

I'm too chicken sh** to make these calls. Embalmer 8473 Lol

I was thinking about getting a friend of mine to make some calls as he's got a recorder hooked up to his phone.
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Post by marsheliamorgan on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:29 pm

i know this is gonna sound bad,however,thats kinda what i was thinking,if he is decesased,how come,NO ONE,not one medical personal or funeral embalmer etc. has taken an illegal pic of body?i know there are no disclosure laws etc. but COME ONE,you know as well as i do,SOMEBODY would be low enough to snap a quick pic on their cell phone and have it PLASTERED all over the rag mags utube etc. JUST FOR THE MONEY,they would use an annoymous name,account etc. it can be done without them getting caught and they would know it, that sounds REALLY FISHY,and to top it off we get told,from toya's interview,she and kids are the ONLY ones to view body,i am a mother,sister,daughter and IF ANYONE of my family died,i would HAVE to see the body especially ONE OF MY CHILDREN,it would be painful,but,that is the ONLY way i would be able to see myself that they were gone and start to heal.no disrespect,BUT,being that katherine and the rest of the family are "so strong" they would have done that too in my opinion. Unless,katherine KNEW it wasnt michael,and didnt want to see what IT COULD HAVE BEEN,had michael NOT done this hoax. just my opinion
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