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Post by ForstAMoon Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:26 pm

Hello everybody!

That is my first post so let me start with some background info: I am 30+ and have never been MJ fan really, it does not mean I did not like his music but I would have problem calling myself a true fun.

It all started after his alleged death. I had to travel once for more than 20 hours on a plane by myself and therefore bought all of the magazines that they had at the airport. As it was beginning of August, MJ was in all of the papers: articles, special tribute editions, pictures etc. I read it all: how great he was, what a talent, gift from God, difficult life, brutal father, we lost an icon… and got absolutely sad and lost at the same time. Sad because he was dead but lost because of what I just had read about him. As I said, I have not been following MJ life, whatever I heard about him on TV or press I was just taking it and not thinking much about it, never really paid a lot of attention to it, but as far as I was able to remember, the info I was getting was very negative and unfavorable. So, they first made him laughing stock and ruined his life and now cherishing his legacy and memory? And I thought, it is such a pity that he cannot see it.

Then I started to look more into his live and works and started to follow the news and media coverage. I have to say that from the beginning I could not believe what I saw… Memorial? – I was not able to watch it as I could not understand it, then the family, doctor, the police investigation, the funeral – I was not able to understand any of it. At the beginning I felt even sorrier about him, thinking what kind of family or “friends” he had…Then I saw the O2 conference on YouTube and thought, OMG, what had happened to him? What has happened to this reserved guy, with charming but still guarded smile? And I felt even sadder about the whole thing.

I got really addicted to all of this, I was watching a lot of videos about him and on what have been happening after he died, and of course reached the entire hoax theories. I have to admit that the work that was done here is amazing and really breathtaking. I found it difficult to believe in many of the theories as I am more like “facts” than “’opinion” person although many of them make more sense than what is officially said and reported... until I saw the funeral film (from family) and the overhead film as recorded by some external camera. It is crystal clear to me, that the family film was not recorded in the same place as the “external” piece. It was as staged as I could imagine, nice try to all who worked on this but they apparently missed couple of key elements.

The moment I realized that I started to feel a bit like in The Game movie by David Fincher (if you have not seen it, do this asap!), and started to think – what if this is a game? I do not know who is playing this game and what is this all about, but what if? And then I started to dig into the game-type theory more and more and I hit on something called alternate reality games. I have never heard about this before, so started to see what it is. For those as me, who have never come across this, here is one sentence definition taken from one of the webs: (taken from: http://wapedia.mobi/en/Alternate_reality_game),

An alternate reality game (ARG), is an interactive narrative that uses the real world as a platform, often involving multiple media and game elements, to tell a story that may be affected by participants' ideas or actions”.

What is the most intriguing is the unique terminology that is apparently used in ARGs: any similarities????

  • Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
  • The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.
  • Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
  • Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts.
  • This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game not behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.


This is of course “what if” question and I have no answers.

But: if there was someone who was able to came up with the idea of such game like in “The Game” movie – at least the writers of the movie have come up with such a story, and there is already something in entertainment world as ARG – what stops others to come up with such or even more incredible ideas in real life? btw – “The Game” movie director David Fincher worked with MJ on “Who is it” video.

The message ended up longer then I assumed, but I just wanted to share it, I am not able to talk to any of my family or friends about this because they say I am insane. I am sure some of you may have the same problem.

All the best.
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Post by DreamsComeTrue Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:21 pm

First of all, welcome to this forum! You will find here some brilliant minds and maybe, friends!

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This theory is brilliant! You make total sense...I mean...this has strong similarities with what happens to this case!
And it's very interesting that the movie director of this movie is an old aquitance of MJ!
From all his friends, MJ could easily stage something as big as this hoax/ARG!

Thank you for sharing your findings! Maybe, this will help a lot!
I'm going to dig a bit!

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Post by Christiana Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:26 pm

Very interesting. I have played ARG's...for the TV show LOST and the book, Da Vinci Code. Really interesting theory. Smile
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Post by PETTINA2393 Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:33 pm

First, wellcome ForstAMoon!!! Smile

And second, Great theory and it does make sense. This ARG coincidence is really interesting.....
and the video "Who is it", thinking of it.....when I hear the question 'Who is it?', the most logical answer to me is...'This is it!!!', I don't know...my english is not so good so maybe I'm wrong but..... The Game Icon_eek
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Post by See Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:38 pm

Welcome...
All I can say is...hmmmm I like the way you think LOL...
Pupputmaster ---> Back...
this leads me back to the post of Back...LOL
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Post by mjssoulmate Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:40 pm

Welcome and WOW!
What an interesting and plausible theory. This is worth digging into. Thanks for posting.
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Post by MacyBlue Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:56 pm

WOW double WOW

There is a person who posts on TMZ under the name Puppet Master . He drops hints about MJ murder.
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Post by mjlmpicons Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:01 pm

Welcome ForstAMoon,

Great post, very insightful. This is a very plausable theory.

Lot's of elements from THE GAME do apply, don't they?


THE GAME continues...... The Game Icon_jokercolor


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Post by mjssoulmate Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:01 pm

Ok, I'm having a thought here.
In milknightmilk's tweet or back's (not really sure which) it is mentioned that "this" has been going on since 1992.
David Fincher first worked with Michael on Who is it in 1992.

We have to figure out what the Rabbithole is. The Puppetmaster, the Curtain, the trailhead, and TINAG I think we know.
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Post by swan Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:05 pm

MJHD would be the rabbithole. That's my best guess.
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Post by Tenschi Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:07 pm

ForstAMoon wrote:Hello everybody!

That is my first post so let me start with some background info: I am 30+ and have never been MJ fan really, it does not mean I did not like his music but I would have problem calling myself a true fun.

It all started after his alleged death. I had to travel once for more than 20 hours on a plane by myself and therefore bought all of the magazines that they had at the airport. As it was beginning of August, MJ was in all of the papers: articles, special tribute editions, pictures etc. I read it all: how great he was, what a talent, gift from God, difficult life, brutal father, we lost an icon… and got absolutely sad and lost at the same time. Sad because he was dead but lost because of what I just had read about him. As I said, I have not been following MJ life, whatever I heard about him on TV or press I was just taking it and not thinking much about it, never really paid a lot of attention to it, but as far as I was able to remember, the info I was getting was very negative and unfavorable. So, they first made him laughing stock and ruined his life and now cherishing his legacy and memory? And I thought, it is such a pity that he cannot see it.

Then I started to look more into his live and works and started to follow the news and media coverage. I have to say that from the beginning I could not believe what I saw… Memorial? – I was not able to watch it as I could not understand it, then the family, doctor, the police investigation, the funeral – I was not able to understand any of it. At the beginning I felt even sorrier about him, thinking what kind of family or “friends” he had…Then I saw the O2 conference on YouTube and thought, OMG, what had happened to him? What has happened to this reserved guy, with charming but still guarded smile? And I felt even sadder about the whole thing.

I got really addicted to all of this, I was watching a lot of videos about him and on what have been happening after he died, and of course reached the entire hoax theories. I have to admit that the work that was done here is amazing and really breathtaking. I found it difficult to believe in many of the theories as I am more like “facts” than “’opinion” person although many of them make more sense than what is officially said and reported... until I saw the funeral film (from family) and the overhead film as recorded by some external camera. It is crystal clear to me, that the family film was not recorded in the same place as the “external” piece. It was as staged as I could imagine, nice try to all who worked on this but they apparently missed couple of key elements.

The moment I realized that I started to feel a bit like in The Game movie by David Fincher (if you have not seen it, do this asap!), and started to think – what if this is a game? I do not know who is playing this game and what is this all about, but what if? And then I started to dig into the game-type theory more and more and I hit on something called alternate reality games. I have never heard about this before, so started to see what it is. For those as me, who have never come across this, here is one sentence definition taken from one of the webs: (taken from: http://wapedia.mobi/en/Alternate_reality_game),

An alternate reality game (ARG), is an interactive narrative that uses the real world as a platform, often involving multiple media and game elements, to tell a story that may be affected by participants' ideas or actions”.

What is the most intriguing is the unique terminology that is apparently used in ARGs: any similarities????

  • Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
  • The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.
  • Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
  • Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts.
  • This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game not behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.



This is of course “what if” question and I have no answers.

But: if there was someone who was able to came up with the idea of such game like in “The Game” movie – at least the writers of the movie have come up with such a story, and there is already something in entertainment world as ARG – what stops others to come up with such or even more incredible ideas in real life? btw – “The Game” movie director David Fincher worked with MJ on “Who is it” video.

The message ended up longer then I assumed, but I just wanted to share it, I am not able to talk to any of my family or friends about this because they say I am insane. I am sure some of you may have the same problem.

All the best.

Welcome!
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Post by mjssoulmate Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:13 pm

swan wrote:MJHD would be the rabbithole. That's my best guess.

I was thinking that too. When did MJHD start up? Didn't they actually establish that site before the "death"?


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Post by PETTINA2393 Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:16 pm

mjssoulmate wrote:
swan wrote:MJHD would be the rabbithole. That's my best guess.

I was thinking that too. When did MJHD start up? Didn't they actually establish that sight before the "death"?

this was my first though, too The Game Icon_smile
MJHD started on 26-th of June, I think, or maybe on 25-th, I'm not sure...
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Post by ishealive Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:22 pm

Welcome to the forum, I love your theory and I haven't seen the movie but I definitley will now.
I didn't know MJ worked with David Fincher, i like his work. His movies are brilliant and clever... He did Benjamin Button hmmm lol this has me thinking big time!!
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Post by ishealive Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:23 pm

PETTINA2393 wrote:
mjssoulmate wrote:
swan wrote:MJHD would be the rabbithole. That's my best guess.

I was thinking that too. When did MJHD start up? Didn't they actually establish that sight before the "death"?

this was my first though, too The Game Icon_smile
MJHD started on 26-th of June, I think, or maybe on 25-th, I'm not sure...

MJHD started a little too quickly I think!
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Post by DreamsComeTrue Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:23 pm

PETTINA2393 wrote:
mjssoulmate wrote:
swan wrote:MJHD would be the rabbithole. That's my best guess.

I was thinking that too. When did MJHD start up? Didn't they actually establish that sight before the "death"?

this was my first though, too The Game Icon_smile
MJHD started on 26-th of June, I think, or maybe on 25-th, I'm not sure...

Or 23th of June? The Game Icon_biggrin
Hmmm
@mjssoulmate...Ur point is interesting...
Something will come to light from this theory...we just have to dig in more...
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Post by mjssoulmate Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:25 pm

David Fincher also did Se7en.

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Post by Tenschi Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:35 pm

I saw the movie, great concept. I remember wondering if something like that could truly happen. Who Is It, 92, The Game,97. I wonder if he discussed the concept with Mike. Interesting...I need to think about this one a bit more.
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Post by PETTINA2393 Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:47 pm

David Fincher did and The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
When I watched this movie, I was like, woooooow, how good were made all of Brad Pit's disguises.....when he was old man in this wheel-chair and when he became young...
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Post by iLOVEu Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:50 pm

This is very interesting. i was thinking about the video of Dr Murray these days and that it could be CGI and i posted on MJHD this article about Benjamin Button, about the effects, the old Benjamin is computer generated.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/watch-the-amazing-effects_b_158834.html

And now i see that it's all connected. The concept or ARG is very interesting and it definetely applies to what is happening.
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Post by marsheliamorgan Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:05 pm

i dont know but is it possible that the rabbithole could also mite have been the movement in the helicopter or the 911 call when/what was the FIRST puzzle or CLUE that was noticed,seems SO LONG ago,i cant recall what the FIRST inconsistency/CLUE was does anyone else?
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Post by iLOVEu Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:07 pm

marsheliamorgan wrote:i dont know but is it possible that the rabbithole could also mite have been the movement in the helicopter or the 911 call when/what was the FIRST puzzle or CLUE that was noticed,seems SO LONG ago,i cant recall what the FIRST inconsistency/CLUE was does anyone else?

The O2 announcement?
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Post by PETTINA2393 Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:08 pm

marsheliamorgan wrote:i dont know but is it possible that the rabbithole could also mite have been the movement in the helicopter or the 911 call when/what was the FIRST puzzle or CLUE that was noticed,seems SO LONG ago,i cant recall what the FIRST inconsistency/CLUE was does anyone else?


Hey, it can be Jermaine Jackson, when he announced the 'death' of MJ The Game Icon_rolleyes
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Post by mjssoulmate Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:29 pm

I think the trailhead was the ambulance creeping slower than molasses out of the driveway. And don't forget the ambulance photo, and the 911 call.
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Post by gigi Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:59 pm

I think this idea is really interesting too
I was just searching ARGs on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game
and I found they cite a "Beatles phenomenon" from 1966 concerning the alleged hoax death of Paul McCartney!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead
Strange coincidence???
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Post by 4evermichael71 Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:01 pm

Welcome!
I love this theory! It all makes sense! Thank you Smile
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Post by PETTINA2393 Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:05 pm

gigi wrote:I think this idea is really interesting too
I was just searching ARGs on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game
and I found they cite a "Beatles phenomenon" from 1966 concerning the alleged hoax death of Paul McCartney!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead
Strange coincidence???

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Post by White_Orchid Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:24 pm

ForstAMoon wrote:Hello everybody!

That is my first post so let me start with some background info: I am 30+ and have never been MJ fan really, it does not mean I did not like his music but I would have problem calling myself a true fun.

It all started after his alleged death. I had to travel once for more than 20 hours on a plane by myself and therefore bought all of the magazines that they had at the airport. As it was beginning of August, MJ was in all of the papers: articles, special tribute editions, pictures etc. I read it all: how great he was, what a talent, gift from God, difficult life, brutal father, we lost an icon… and got absolutely sad and lost at the same time. Sad because he was dead but lost because of what I just had read about him. As I said, I have not been following MJ life, whatever I heard about him on TV or press I was just taking it and not thinking much about it, never really paid a lot of attention to it, but as far as I was able to remember, the info I was getting was very negative and unfavorable. So, they first made him laughing stock and ruined his life and now cherishing his legacy and memory? And I thought, it is such a pity that he cannot see it.

Then I started to look more into his live and works and started to follow the news and media coverage. I have to say that from the beginning I could not believe what I saw… Memorial? – I was not able to watch it as I could not understand it, then the family, doctor, the police investigation, the funeral – I was not able to understand any of it. At the beginning I felt even sorrier about him, thinking what kind of family or “friends” he had…Then I saw the O2 conference on YouTube and thought, OMG, what had happened to him? What has happened to this reserved guy, with charming but still guarded smile? And I felt even sadder about the whole thing.

I got really addicted to all of this, I was watching a lot of videos about him and on what have been happening after he died, and of course reached the entire hoax theories. I have to admit that the work that was done here is amazing and really breathtaking. I found it difficult to believe in many of the theories as I am more like “facts” than “’opinion” person although many of them make more sense than what is officially said and reported... until I saw the funeral film (from family) and the overhead film as recorded by some external camera. It is crystal clear to me, that the family film was not recorded in the same place as the “external” piece. It was as staged as I could imagine, nice try to all who worked on this but they apparently missed couple of key elements.

The moment I realized that I started to feel a bit like in The Game movie by David Fincher (if you have not seen it, do this asap!), and started to think – what if this is a game? I do not know who is playing this game and what is this all about, but what if? And then I started to dig into the game-type theory more and more and I hit on something called alternate reality games. I have never heard about this before, so started to see what it is. For those as me, who have never come across this, here is one sentence definition taken from one of the webs: (taken from: http://wapedia.mobi/en/Alternate_reality_game),

An alternate reality game (ARG), is an interactive narrative that uses the real world as a platform, often involving multiple media and game elements, to tell a story that may be affected by participants' ideas or actions”.

What is the most intriguing is the unique terminology that is apparently used in ARGs: any similarities????

  • Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
  • The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.
  • Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
  • Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts.
  • This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game not behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.



This is of course “what if” question and I have no answers.

But: if there was someone who was able to came up with the idea of such game like in “The Game” movie – at least the writers of the movie have come up with such a story, and there is already something in entertainment world as ARG – what stops others to come up with such or even more incredible ideas in real life? btw – “The Game” movie director David Fincher worked with MJ on “Who is it” video.

The message ended up longer then I assumed, but I just wanted to share it, I am not able to talk to any of my family or friends about this because they say I am insane. I am sure some of you may have the same problem.

All the best.


Welcome!

I agree with your Game observation! Reminds of a 3D virtual game called 'Second Lfe'. Check it out, also has some similarities! Enjoyed your post!

http://secondlife.com/
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Post by neverlandprincess Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:38 pm

WELCOME! You are going to be an asset to the site!
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Post by queenpanther55 Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:29 pm

I think this explains well the story of Hazelnut, The two side of the story and, True story of Jack and Lily.

Conceptualizing this story as a fictitious scene, a DOCUMENTARY full of mysteries.

He wanted to fall everyone on his trap, He wanted everyones attention and so this is what is happening now.

DOCUMENTARY THAT IS REAL and the film is still running...

Now i understand...

Genius Michael : 0:22 ( I love movies! I love documentaries)


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Post by neverlandprincess Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:46 pm

haha yeah I caught that too-when I watched this earlier in the year. Then in Geraldo-"There are alot of surprises,film,I love film". Songs off "Invincible"-You should feel threatened by me (Threatened). You can't touch me-cause I'm unbreakable....on and on, throughout his career-why would he change his tune in the last year and become careless? Why now?
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Post by miss j Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:46 pm

ForstAMoon wrote:

  • Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
  • The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.
  • Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
  • Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts.
  • This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game not behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.



i see that "beLIEve" poster while reading the above definitions.
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Post by queenpanther55 Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:03 pm

This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game not behave like a game

I see.. I see..

as long as everyone talks about Michael Jackson
( including US ladies and gentlemen)

That film is still running...

behind the scene is Michael Jackson, watching the movie

he created...

What we are doing now here is Michael film..
He sees everything..
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Post by Human_nature Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:42 pm



  • Puppetmaster - A puppetmaster or "PM" is an individual involved in designing and/or running an ARG. Puppetmasters are simultaneously allies and adversaries to the player base, creating obstacles and providing resources for overcoming them in the course of telling the game's story. Puppetmasters generally remain behind the curtain while a game is running. The real identity of puppet masters may or may not be known ahead of time.
  • The Curtain - The curtain is generally a metaphor for the separation between the puppetmasters and the players. This can take the traditional form of absolute secrecy regarding the puppetmasters' identities and involvement with the production, or refer merely to the convention that puppetmasters do not communicate directly with players through the game, interacting instead through the characters and the game's design.
  • Rabbithole - Also known as a Trailhead. A Rabbithole marks the first website, contact, or puzzle that starts off the ARG.
  • Trailhead - A deliberate clue which enables a player to discover a way into the game. Most ARGs employ a number of trailheads in several media, to maximise the probability of people discovering the game. Some trailheads may be covert, others may be thinly-disguised adverts.
  • This Is Not A Game (TINAG) - Setting the ARG form apart from other games is the This Is Not A Game aesthetic, which dictates that the game not behave like a game: phone numbers mentioned in the ARG, for example, should actually work, and the game should not provide an overtly-designated playspace or ruleset to the players.


well...

This is not a game : (may be ...)

The Game Fronttini
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Post by Human_nature Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:50 pm

David Fincher movies (David birthday just for fun, August 28) lol :

The Game & Se7en and many more great movies.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000399/

and this image I found on Photobucket...not sure, maybe a fan made it, but interesting :

The Game Michaeljackson7even
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Post by mjssoulmate Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:53 pm

7even was supposed to be a new album, wasn't it?
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Post by Human_nature Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:53 pm

One of the futur movie/documentary of David Fincher:

The Social Network :

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1285016/
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:55 pm

Welcome! Very interesting theory. The Game is one of my favourite movies and weirdly enough I ordered it on DVD about 4 months ago. Laughing I can't wait to see where this goes.
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Post by MJhunny Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:13 am

ok just real quick before i go to work
the other day someone posted about the 02 promotional trailer being full
of clues they saw BREAK THE CODE and SAPPHIRE
someoneelse said about the vma's they saw DEN OF THIEVES
can't remember the thread but maybe connected to this game theory
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Post by queenpanther55 Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:25 am

The marketing for the 1999 movie The Blair Witch Project resembled ARGs in many ways
(and some of its makers went on to create the 2005 Audi promotional ARG The Art of the Heist), expanding the world of the movie online, ( VERY VERY TRUE!!! adding backstory, and treating the fiction as reality through real-world media such as fliers and a fake documentary on the Sci-Fi Channel.

However, perhaps in part due to the subject material and the absence of overt metacommunications that this was fiction, it also resembles an internet hoax or attempt to create an urban legend


OH MY! OH MY! http://www.lookin.biz/

The FOLLOWING story

is pure fiction, everything

is fictitious.

Similarities to persons

living or dead is purely

coincidental and would

be unintentional.

This story was created by several increases and the circumstances and sources.

Relax, please, allow to enter my thoughts into your heart
and please try to see with your heart.

This is a ware of his thoughts, “Look with your heart.”

affraid affraid affraid affraid
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Post by MacyBlue Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:15 am

Hmmmm there is another movie being promoted I think it's a Sony project , about the end of the world . They are promoting it in a way that makes it sounds like the world is ending ... and we all need to register to try and win a chance to be one of the few people who survive the catastrophe .

http://www.instituteforhumancontinuity.org/
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Post by Jubilee Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:32 am

Welcome to the forum ForstAMoon you're theory is really plausible.

It's funny how non fans are just as enthralled by this whole thing as life long fans! It;s given Michael a whole new fanbase Smile xxxx
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Post by speechlessornot Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:41 am

Hi! Firstly, welcome among us! Secondly...thank you for being the second me in respect of the previuos thought and not being the biggest fun before but becoming "insane" now. Your theory is very interesting and I have to admit that the parallel you made with the movie is really inspirated.
I'd like to read more from you....so...go on FrostAMoon...
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Post by MJhunny Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:39 am

MacyBlue wrote:Hmmmm there is another movie being promoted I think it's a Sony project , about the end of the world . They are promoting it in a way that makes it sounds like the world is ending ... and we all need to register to try and win a chance to be one of the few people who survive the catastrophe .

[url=http://www.instituteforhumancontinuity.org/
http://www.instituteforhumancontinuity.org/[/quote[/url]]

i read on a site that the movie trailer of 2012 (doomsday movie) will be one of the trailers before TII in theaters

someone else on other thread said in 02 promo ad there were clues such as BREAK THE CODE and SAPPHIRE and with vma's they got DEN OF THIEVES
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Post by ezzramj Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:41 am

hmmmm, can u explain what is so spectacular about page 654??? i didn't get it
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Post by ezzramj Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:44 am

are you reffering to 'historical event making one hell of a film one day" ??
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Post by city.gal1 Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:50 am

Welcome ForestAMoon:

You're description of yourself and how you got involved in the MJDH "movement" parallels my own experience, so I could really relate to your post.

I find your ARG theory extremely riveting -- more food for thought! hmm...
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Post by MJhunny Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:52 am

ezzramj wrote:are you reffering to 'historical event making one hell of a film one day" ??

YES I AMx
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Post by MJhunny Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:53 am

MJhunny wrote:
ezzramj wrote:are you reffering to 'historical event making one hell of a film one day" ??

YES I AMx

tell me you did'nt change haircolour The Game Lol
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Post by ezzramj Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:53 am

ah i see what ya mean, good work spanish, have u seen post of sighting in miami airport?? check it out
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