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Post by Pyramid_Girl on Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:36 am

I took some pictures from 25.06 UCLA and check in exifReader and there is something  strange...pictures from X17online.com - strange date and time B6cwhfCaption: Michael Jackson taken in emergency to hospital in UCLA June 24, 2009 X17online.com exclusive. june 24? at the other pictures from UCLA are the same captions. pictures from X17online.com - strange date and time 2vi4m7tCaption: Michael Jackson's mom arriving at UCLA hospital shortly after son died from heart attack June 24, 2009 X17online.com exclusive  http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/michael_jacksons_mother_arrives_at_ucla_medical_center-06252009.php  typo?and last onepictures from X17online.com - strange date and time 2cmqbz6look at the "camera date" - 11:24:33? before 911 call?   Model: DiMAGE X1
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Exposure program: Program AE  http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_xclusive_the_ambulance_report_on_the_day_michael_jackson_died-07042009.php  i don't understand pictures from X17online.com - strange date and time Icon_sad
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Post by mjgirl86 on Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:47 am

Hmmmmmm.....
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Post by marsheliamorgan on Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:48 am

i am missing something here,could u please explain?thanks
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Post by Pyramid_Girl on Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:08 pm

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Post by Makea on Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:19 pm

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Post by fa on Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:32 pm

Simple did´t get it.

ALL the data from the camera says 06.25.2009.
If the title of the photo say 24 but the camera says 25, whats is the metter at all?

But I SEE one thing wrong:
Randy Philips said in a recente interview that MJ parents were lost and came to the wrong hospital before coming to UCLA. But the second photo shows his mother in front of the ambulance!!!!


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Post by April-R on Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:12 pm

weird.. but interesting Smile
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Post by texasbornandraised on Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:16 pm

I hope I am correct in all this if not someone please set me straight, the problem with the photo is it has a different time on it. At least when I take a photo I can put a caption that says I took it on a certain date and time . But the properties of the photo will tell you exactly when and what time the photo was taken along with the information of what camera took the photo and at what settings.

The camera took the photo at 11:24:33
but the call wasn't made until 12:21:04
How could they get the photo almost an hour early?
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Post by mjssoulmate on Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:30 pm

Interesting!!!

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Post by mjj29081958 on Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:38 pm

I think there was a thread about it, but I can not find it anymore...
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Post by giannip on Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:49 pm

texasbornandraised wrote:I hope I am correct in all this if not someone please set me straight, the problem with the photo is it has a different time on it. At least when I take a photo I can put a caption that says I took it on a certain date and time . But the properties of the photo will tell you exactly when and what time the photo was taken along with the information of what camera took the photo and at what settings.

The camera took the photo at 11:24:33
but the call wasn't made until 12:21:04
How could they get the photo almost an hour early?

Maybe date and time was not set correctly on the camera. That's possible even if not highly probable. Can you find some oher pictures there taken with taht camera with a correct date and time?
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Post by ezzramj on Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:50 pm

is it possible that the camera is dated wrong??
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Post by Angelica on Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:19 pm

I'll tell a pra voces!
Here in Brazil, the people gettin 'mad analyzing both these photos.
What interests me most attention is on the side of safety with a mustache is part of a face, we see only the ear, for the safety of white shirt holding the jacket is well ahead.
Who is this person? This ear I know ...
Pay attention to every month by the 25 days are released videos, photos, video of the ambulance was soon contradicted ...
Interesting first released and then lie, I find it very strange indeed From the moment someone dies even great shows like Michael, it was not for these things appear.
And yet, every time something has, not to mention the nonsense that the family says and does.
Friends I'm tired, sometimes you have one of discouragement, this is torture, okay we have to respect his plan is much suffering ...
So I do not see a movie, not bought a cd and dvd.
I want to see where it goes.
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Post by texasbornandraised on Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:25 pm

It is possible the date on the camera was wrong We need to find the pictures of the ambulance photos those were taken on the same day. Maybe the we can see if the date and time are wrong on those photos too.To who ever posted these pictures check the properties on the pictures of the ambulance for the date and time.
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Post by Pyramid_Girl on Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:32 pm

this is the only one picture on the x17online which shows that screen and it was taken another camera than other ambulance photos (Konika Minolta DiMAGE X1)
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it's strange. one hour before 911 call?

I think that time at other pictures is correct, but I still wondering why there is "June 24" at all that photos.

"Michael Jackson's mom arriving at UCLA hospital shortly after son died from heart attack June 24, 2009 X17online.com exclusive"
"Michael Jackson taken in emergency to hospital in UCLA June 24, 2009 X17online.com exclusive"

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anybody know where can i find orginal Michael's photo from ambulance? (not photoshoped)
i saw somewhere topic about it. someone checked exif and time was wrong too (12:08???)

ps.sorry for my english
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Post by Pammy on Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:50 pm

The original pic was made by Christopher Weiss/ Ben Evenstad from the National Photo Group
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Post by Christiana on Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:56 pm

There is a thread about the EXIF (photo properties) data for the ambulance photo over at MJHD too. It's too hard to find things over there so I'm not gonna bother, but there is one there. And as I recall, the time on the ambulance photo is off by an hour, just like the time on the photo above. The date is correct though. Just keep in mind that the time being wrong doesn't prove anything. It is not unheard of for even a photographer to not have his time set correctly.

Somebody could always contact the photographers and bring the timestamp error to their attention??
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Post by Human_nature on Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:58 pm

The dates and hours are ok for the ambulance pictures.
But the time is not right on the one where they show the LAFD laptop. It's an hour ealier before the call was made....

More pictures qill maybe help...

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Post by kdkennedy74 on Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:43 pm

If I am not mistaken, I remember seeing live footage of Katherine arriving at the hospital and it was after Michael had been pronounced dead. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by mjgirl86 on Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:46 pm

Human_nature wrote:The dates and hours are ok for the ambulance pictures.
But the time is not right on the one where they show the LAFD laptop. It's an hour ealier before the call was made....

More pictures qill maybe help...

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Yeah.. things just keep getting more and more interesting! Suspect
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Post by Human_nature on Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:56 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:If I am not mistaken, I remember seeing live footage of Katherine arriving at the hospital and it was after Michael had been pronounced dead. Correct me if I am wrong.

yes you're right and the picture is ok about that...

Time showed Katherine : Camera Date: 2009:06:25 14:29:38

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Post by juliet on Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:33 pm

There's something missing in the pic. Isn't there supposed to be a medical team to greet the patient by the emergency entrance? pictures from X17online.com - strange date and time Confused
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Post by HeavyHearts on Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:46 pm

ezzramj wrote:is it possible that the camera is dated wrong??

it;s very rare that a pap camera is dated wrong.
but still possible :]
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Post by Peace on Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:31 am

Pammy wrote:The original pic was made by Christopher Weiss/ Ben Evenstad from the National Photo Group

How could that be? They stayed behind when the ambulance left, unless the ambulance was going that slow that they caught up to it.
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Post by 4evermichael71 on Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:46 am

juliet wrote:There's something missing in the pic. Isn't there supposed to be a medical team to greet the patient by the emergency entrance? pictures from X17online.com - strange date and time Confused
Yep, and there is none
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Post by ishealive on Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:07 pm

Oh great something else to add to the big pile of confusion and contradictions... pictures from X17online.com - strange date and time Icon_scratch
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