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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:47 am

Ok.............Im only going to say this ONE TIME.
I am sick and tired of the arguements on this board. Sick of it.
If you want to debate on religion, politics, etc.......please go to another forum. I am not going to give my view on this topic.
We are here for MJ and to find out what happened to him........we dont need to turn against each other to do it. Yes, he was active in these subjects, and was concerned, but he would NEVER resort to insulting people to get his message across. Think about it.

I am new to being a MOD and Im shocked that instead of enjoying the board, I now have to be a babysitter, We are all adults here...would you treat your friends and family this way? It breaks my heart when I see arguing/fighting...I dont want to seem like a b***h but PLEASE, if you have a beef with someone then take it to PM...do not vent your differing opinions on the board. I understand that everyone is not going to agree with what others say, but seriously....this is happening much to often and its really sad.
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Post by dexember on Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:54 am

I think everyone needs to relax Smile I know it's hard not to clash with others opinions but you don't have to be so overpowering with your words. Try and understand everyone has different opinions :S

Anyway, I do believe something LIKE the illuminati does exist. Whether they are hellbent on the earths destruction is another story
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Post by neo5842 on Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:25 am

To prove the illuminate exists, is like say prove god exists, in that the illuminate is a term, meaning the enlightened ones, it isn't a group that uses the name the illuminate. Freemasons are part of that collective. as are big powerful companies, and financial institutions that pretty much run the world. There are 33, if you like clubs, or organised groups in the Freemasons, (part of the illuminate collective) but it is only the very top of the pyramid, which is only used as a symbol, everything used in the Freemasons is symbolism, of which the symbol of a pyramid to demonstrate levels of power is used. Only those at the very top of the pyramid the 33rd degree or level symbolised as the pyramid's capstone, are the power holders, most bellow that level are not even fully aware of the full agenda of the top level.

I started this thread to show in my opinion how Michaels message religion and the illuminate connect, i did not think for one minuet it would turn so ugly, but i accept that people have very differences of opinion when it comes to religion, so it was a bit of a gamble that people here would be able to handle that. The truth is I cant prove the illuminate are an entity or group, because i know they are not, they are a collective, no more than i can prove that god as an entity exists. But it is my opinion that Michael knows of the Agenda of the illuminate as a collective and that agenda is cruel and dangerous to humanity, and that is the point i believe we should be concentrating on. He has in the words of his songs, been asking for our help for a long time now, In his books, and in his interviews, even the work in charity we have seen him do is a message to us to follow suite. I don't think there is anything difficult in understanding that.

Now i have done my research on the illuminate, which is what i use to put together my theory but there is also a lot of evidence out there to back that up, so to anyone who is not understanding or doesn't believe, may i suggest you spend a little time in researching if for yourself, and if at the end of your research you still don't agree they exists, you will know to steer clear of any thread that has the word illuminati in it.

All the time people spend arguing, the less time spent on Michaels agenda, I think most people agree that he is still alive, and that he has a message for us. We should be concentrating on that message, and how we are going to be there for him when he returns, is there going to be a gathering so to speak of followers in real terms as a place he can return safely, or will that be as part of a major show, on stage in person or as a hologram?
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:52 pm

Look, I don't want to argue, but just understand that you're dead wrong about the Freemasons. People associate the illuminati with satanists and and the anti-christ...and saying the Freemasons are a part of that is an insult to people close to me, and it's just completely untrue. I suggest you don't believe everything you read...just like Michael always says. Wink
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Post by mjgirl86 on Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:59 pm

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:Look, I don't want to argue, but just understand that you're dead wrong about the Freemasons. People associate the illuminati with satanists and and the anti-christ...and saying the Freemasons are a part of that is an insult to people close to me, and it's just completely untrue. I suggest you don't believe everything you read...just like Michael always says. Wink

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Don't be upset... and I was just saying how I love this forum last week, then we got a ton of people, and things changed.. I still love it, but I do hope the arguments die down.

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Post by neo5842 on Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:36 am

Its also a fact that those in the lower levels of Freemasonry don't have a clue on what is happening in the higher levels, why would they, they are not the ones making these decisions. Like i said i have done my research on this, as have many thousands of other people, the literature is everywhere, so i do know what i am talking about, and just because you know someone, dons't mean you really know them, just with us and Michael, Right or wrong? The whole point of research and investigating is to have an open mind and to not dismiss anything just because it doesn't fit your way of thinking. In this case mind control and disinformation is what they want, and what they get. We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

mjgirl86, would you rather the new people to this forum would just go away, and take their opinions with them? I am just interested to understand what you mean by your statement.
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Post by ILuvUMoreMJ on Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:01 am

Please don't tell me who I know and don't know. This has nothing to do with my way of thinking, versus knowing actual information firsthand. I know all about the 32nd and 33rd degrees, and it means absolutely nothing. Don't be so gullible, and please stop spreading misinformation based on internet "research". I'm done here...peace out.
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Post by Harleyblonde on Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:31 am

Neo5842 -Hmmm, The enlightened? Then I would be grateful if you could enlighten me. For hundreds of years this dark semi secretive movement/organisation has supposedly run the world and is in charge and operates everything including governments.You say they are big powerful companies and financial institutions that run the world but do we have any details, any news of any sort of way they operate/ Do we have any inkling of how this works? They are supposed to be all powerful but we hear nothing in the media and on the news which is the most powerful sorce of information and if you like verbal weapon in the world. Can you please answer me why there is no sort of details of how they are able to operate in spite of wars and famine and all the crazy things in the world? Oh sorry, I forgot-you said they run the world so they will be responsible for every war and every coup in every Country for the past few hundred years? With not one iota of proof or explaination of how this has and is continued to be acheived. Not one single shred of evidence of how they are running the governments in the third world even.
You are even comparing the inability to explain or give proof to the inability to explain or prove God!!!! What makes me wonder is how for hundreds of years this so called "all powerful organisation" runs the world and we get no proof or explaination or even any inkling of who is involved, just one or two obscure titles, how come we have had no concrete details or explaination in hundreds of years but withiin 4 months of losing the most famous guy on the planet there is full details and a long explaination as to his involvement with the illuminiti? Not so secretive now as regards Michael are they? Have they ever named any other famous person? answer is NO! So for hundreds of years no explaination involving anyone and as soon as the most well known guy on earth is in this situation as to not reply or stand up for himself they come up with lots of info???? Yeah right!
There is no alternative but to beleive Michael is alive. But all this? Is almost funny!!
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Post by MJJ1982 on Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:39 am

mjgirl86 wrote:
ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:Look, I don't want to argue, but just understand that you're dead wrong about the Freemasons. People associate the illuminati with satanists and and the anti-christ...and saying the Freemasons are a part of that is an insult to people close to me, and it's just completely untrue. I suggest you don't believe everything you read...just like Michael always says. Wink

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Don't be upset... and I was just saying how I love this forum last week, then we got a ton of people, and things changed.. I still love it, but I do hope the arguments die down.

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I agree, it's a bit messed up IMO. Too much things that are not relevant.
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Post by infinitylady on Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:23 am

Neo, thanks for sharing. Of course, I did receive a reply from your other friend.

Neo:
He is the 'only' Archangel (hint being Arch or keystone), no others are named as he is also the only begotten son of God but so named Michael when defending Gods name”. (not quite sure what that bit means)

Hi, Neo. You are correct. Michael is the archangel as far as being recorded in biblical scriptures as one of the warring angels in the kingdom of God.


As far as him being the begotten son of God, where is it that says that since I know that the begotten son is making reference to Jesus (Yeshua) as the only begotten son of God. <----- For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). and John 1:1-3.

Neo:
With his heart as big as it is, he would have wanted nothing more than to protect and save the people of the earth, and nothing less would have been good enough for him, even though that put him in incredible danger. The illuminati in turn would have seen Michael as being a threat to their campaign of control and global domination, and hence would have gone all out to stop him, however I believe he knew that and made his plans to prevent their evil doings toward him and his family before they got there. Now in hiding till the time is right for him to reveal the truth and stop the illuminai before its too late. If this is right he will be relying on all of us to back him up and stand by him no matter what.


I agree. Anytime you are sharing something that is going to expose darkness be prepared for much adversity.
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Post by infinitylady on Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:27 am

Its also a fact that those in the lower levels of Freemasonry don't have a clue on what is happening in the higher levels

This is true, Neo. As I have read on several sites of ex-freemasons who have been in higher ranks who are exposing this and for their own protection for themselves and famiy choose not to disclose their real names. If you watch the wakeupproject.com link( I must say I agree pretty much 90% of it, the other I don't) there is alot that meets the eye here.
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Post by jpresley on Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:01 am

I think this thread needs to be locked.
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