forrest lawn never received Michael,s body?

by mir26 Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:40 am

this is from Mrs.benjamins site so credit goes there.

post from a member

Hi All,
I am really terrified about telling this info, it took me 30 minutes to hit the submit button, but after finding this site, I can see that I'm not the only one who feels something is wrong. Initially, when I heard about Michael, the shock and sadness I felt was almost unbearable. After the memorial, I didn't feel right. When you truly love someone and something like this happens, it's as if you can feel their presence slip away. I didn't feel that way about Michael, or it could just be the shock of it all and me not wanting to accept that he's gone.
This past Friday, I decided that I wanted to fly to Los Angeles and visit anything that has to do with MJ, Encino, Neverland, Walk of Fame, everything. I've been a huge fan of him and his brothers since 1977, I was 4...lol. I decided to call Forest Lawn in California to order flowers and have them delivered to his family. I was also hoping by the time his birthday rolls around, I might have a grave to visit. What the receptionist said during that call shocked me so bad, I hung up on her. I told her that I know they have been receiving 100's of calls per day about the magnificent Mr. Michael Jackson, I told her I live in GA and was interested in knowing whether he had been buried yet because since I never follow the media (they lie too much), I told her I'm a big fan and would like to bring flowers, she said and I quote, "Ma'am, Michael Jackson has never been received at any of the Forest Lawn Mortuaries in California". (WHAT?!?!?!?!!?) That's when the phone went dead in her ear from me hanging up. Maybe she has been ordered not to divulge any information, but why not just say that? How about, I'm sorry Ma'am, but at this time, I am not able to give out any information on where he maybe located. I dialed a 1-800 number and she said "Forest Lawn Mortuary", so I knew I had the right place. I don't know what to make of this, but I thought it would be interesting info for all the investigators out there. I promise you on my life this was a real conversation.

by hasil Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:47 am

holy crap.
someone else should call them. try again,the same thing . ask to deliver flowers to grave site or family.
good christ. thats insane.

but they had the private viewing there and supposedly the nice karen lady did his makeup for the viewing. in their morgue, sooo?
????
we all saw them at the hall of liberty. for teh private pre gig viewing and funeral..
hmmm this is strange.

by phoenix Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:47 am

this is really strange- of course how can we be sure that this is not just a story made up by someone to confuse us?
but if this really is true- than probably there is no body- so why anyone would need to storage it anywhere?

is getting wierder every single day

by mir26 Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:53 am

well there is someone from that forum who is gonna call on monday and is going to record the conversation if its possible so we just have to wait for that,but it sure makes you think Question

by Human_nature Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:03 am

wow, I want to know too...
Who's willing to call monday ??

I want...but I'm too shy Embarassed

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:12 am

Hmm.. interesting.
I don't trust MJHD's peeps much.
Is there any way someone on here from America would be able to call Forest Lawn with the pretext of sending flowers for Michael? Heck I'd do it myself but I'm in the UK.

If this is true then:
a). it confirms that it is a hoax and that the 'body' at Forest Lawn is that of a double therefore Michael Jackson's body was never received there or
b). it is a hoax and there was never any body in the first place

I had a c). but I've forgotten it lol, it'll come back to me at some point

by phoenix Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:20 am

i would call but i am from germany and it would be kinda expansive...and i called this number from jcc thread- so this time i am not going to embarass myself lol

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:27 am

phoenix wrote:i would call but i am from germany and it would be kinda expansive...and i called this number from jcc thread- so this time i am not going to embarass myself lol

There was a number on the JCC thread? o.O

by phoenix Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:37 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
phoenix wrote:i would call but i am from germany and it would be kinda expansive...and i called this number from jcc thread- so this time i am not going to embarass myself lol
There was a number on the JCC thread? o.O

lol yeah

https://mjkit.forumotion.net/recap-threads-f9/please-read-re-jcc-who-s-good-with-maths-t372.htm

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:43 am

LOL Phoenix, that took some guts, well done girly.
I read page 1 of that thread before but didn't note the phone number - when you think about it, you could take any country's calling code or area code e.g. 0208/7, 0044, 0033 etc and then put that number xxx-xxxx to the end of it and you'd get a number of some sort.

by phoenix Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:47 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:LOL Phoenix, that took some guts, well done girly.
I read page 1 of that thread before but didn't note the phone number - when you think about it, you could take any country's calling code or area code e.g. 0208/7, 0044, 0033 etc and then put that number xxx-xxxx to the end of it and you'd get a number of some sort.

thank you

i know, that could actually be each country in the world- i am really surprized that i was brave enough to call at all...haha...now its your turn, guys lol!

by SeeingClues Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:59 am

keep in mind that this person spoke to a receptionist. News articles have said that only a select few employees at Forest Lawn know where the body is. It is probably not officially logged into their system, so a receptionist won't be able to, or be authorized to, access that info...

Do you think they would reveal to the thousands of people that are calling where MJ's body is?

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:01 am

SeeingClues wrote:keep in mind that this person spoke to a receptionist. News articles have said that only a select few employees at Forest Lawn know where the body is. It is probably not officially logged into their system, so a receptionist won't be able to, or be authorized to, access that info...

Do you think they would reveal to the thousands of people that are calling where MJ's body is?

They should keep a log of whose body is being brought into their mortuary and when for their records. It's common sense so that bodies don't end up walking or being body-napped by freaks who like playing with corpses.
The receptionist doesn't need to know the exact location of the body, she just needs to have it logged onto her system that the body was brought to/registered at Forest lawn.

by jpresley Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:15 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
SeeingClues wrote:keep in mind that this person spoke to a receptionist. News articles have said that only a select few employees at Forest Lawn know where the body is. It is probably not officially logged into their system, so a receptionist won't be able to, or be authorized to, access that info...

Do you think they would reveal to the thousands of people that are calling where MJ's body is?
They should keep a log of whose body is being brought into their mortuary and when for their records. It's common sense so that bodies don't end up walking or being body-napped by freaks who like playing with corpses.
The receptionist doesn't need to know the exact location of the body, she just needs to have it logged onto her system that the body was brought to/registered at Forest lawn.

Agreed. Knowing the body is at Forest Lawn and knowing WHERE the body is at Forest Lawm are two very different things. Of course, you've got TMZ reporting yesterday that the body was in cold storage and that Katherine visits often, so WTF knows anymore.

by mir26 Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:43 am

well I cant call them (to expensive from Holland lol) but I can email them so that what I just did,asking them I wanted to send flowers for Mr Michael jackson and whats the best way to do it and to whome I should adres that.

lets see if I hear from them Smile

by Bidoska Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:08 am

Well it seems that a MJHD's member called Forest Lawn a few minutes ago and all she got was:“I am unable to help you with this at this time and if there is nothing else I can help you with good day madam”.

by mir26 Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:11 am

yes I read that too,I think thats strange,why cant he help her?mabye because MJ isent there lol

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:13 am

Hmm, I know funeral homes/mortuaries and some cemeteries don't open their buildings on the weekend - you can still visit the cemetery/grave sites but not contact the home itself.
They're probably getting suspicious of people ringing up/emailing asking to put flowers on Michael's grave so that's why they're using a generic non-helpful message. The receptionist (if it's legit) probably made a huge slip-up the first time.

by Bidoska Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:19 am

Yes @Another.part.of.me.
On their site says :If you have any questions, we are always here to help, 24 hours a day/7 days a week. Call us at 1-800-204-3131.

http://www.forestlawn.com/About-Forest-Lawn/Index.asp

by mir26 Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:19 am

well they emailed me back just now,and its not really interessting this is what they answerd me.

Clifford Adney (cadney@forestlawn.com)

At this time there is no information as to where the interment location will be!

Thank-You!

by IWSICS Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:20 am

http://www.forestlawn.com/Visitors-Guide/Service-Locator-Result.asp?Range_id=4

I don't see any Jackson there? but maybe it's not available to the public.. Smile

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:21 am

Bidoska wrote:Yes @Another.part.of.me.
On their site says :If you have any questions, we are always here to help, 24 hours a day/7 days a week. Call us at 1-800-204-3131.

[url=http://www.forestlawn.com/About-Forest-Lawn/Index.asp

http://www.forestlawn.com/About-Forest-Lawn/Index.asp[/quote[/url]]

Ah, thanks for that.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:23 am

mir26 wrote:well they emailed me back just now,and its not really interessting this is what they answerd me.

Clifford Adney (cadney@forestlawn.com)

At this time there is no information as to where the interment location will be!

Thank-You!

Curiouser and and curiouser. This debunks the reports last week about the body being buried in a private ceremony.
Thanks for posting mir26

by mir26 Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:24 am

your welcome Smile

by jpresley Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:41 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
mir26 wrote:well they emailed me back just now,and its not really interessting this is what they answerd me.

Clifford Adney (cadney@forestlawn.com)

At this time there is no information as to where the interment location will be!

Thank-You!

Curiouser and and curiouser. This debunks the reports last week about the body being buried in a private ceremony.
Thanks for posting mir26

I'm waiting for someone to debunk the 'in cold storage' story. That really f*cked me up yesterday.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:51 am

jpresley wrote:
Curiouser and and curiouser. This debunks the reports last week about the body being buried in a private ceremony.
Thanks for posting mir26

I'm waiting for someone to debunk the 'in cold storage' story. That really f*cked me up yesterday.[/quote]

Now, I don't know a lot about embalming bodies (aside from wiki/google), and it would be fantastic if we had an embalmer on here (anyone?). In my culture/faith we don't embalm our dead so it's not something I have any personal experience with.
However, this is an odd point for me, a sticking point if you will. Someone mentioned a while back that once a body is embalmed it will last intact and without decomping for around 18 months - and that is in a coffin, in a grave.
So what is the need to keep it in a freezer? As far as I know keeping in the freezer unit of a morgue/mortuary will only keep it fresh for a while but it will still start decomping.
If it's embalmed it won't decomp, so that, in my mind nullifies the need for a freezer.
Embalming is a bit like taxidermy for animals, you take out everything inside that contributes to decomp (blood, plasma/haemoglobin etc) and then stuff it so it doesn't decomp.

Can someone clarify it for me please because this 'on ice' freezer thing doesn't make sense to me.

by jpresley Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:18 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
jpresley wrote:
Curiouser and and curiouser. This debunks the reports last week about the body being buried in a private ceremony.
Thanks for posting mir26

I'm waiting for someone to debunk the 'in cold storage' story. That really f*cked me up yesterday.

Now, I don't know a lot about embalming bodies (aside from wiki/google), and it would be fantastic if we had an embalmer on here (anyone?). In my culture/faith we don't embalm our dead so it's not something I have any personal experience with.
However, this is an odd point for me, a sticking point if you will. Someone mentioned a while back that once a body is embalmed it will last intact and without decomping for around 18 months - and that is in a coffin, in a grave.
So what is the need to keep it in a freezer? As far as I know keeping in the freezer unit of a morgue/mortuary will only keep it fresh for a while but it will still start decomping.
If it's embalmed it won't decomp, so that, in my mind nullifies the need for a freezer.
Embalming is a bit like taxidermy for animals, you take out everything inside that contributes to decomp (blood, plasma/haemoglobin etc) and then stuff it so it doesn't decomp.

Can someone clarify it for me please because this 'on ice' freezer thing doesn't make sense to me.[/quote]

Embalming merely slows the decomposition down, it does not prevent it. I'm not sure if you've ever noticed this or not, but funeral homes are kept quite cold. The reason for this is to allow family/friends time to visit/mourn the deceased w/o a noticeable decay in the remains. Bodies rapidly decompose in warmer temps. I have experienced this first hand; when my grandfather died we prolonged his burial to allow family members to arrive and pay their last respects. Even though he was embalmed immediately and was kept cool, his body had started to decay rapidly the day we were finally able to bury him (sorry for the morbid story). So, if Michael were indeed dead yet no buried, he would need to be kept in a freezer to preserve his body.. God, just thinking about that makes me sick. pale

by Rach Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:31 am

God I really hope this is true and not people playing with us again.

It would be cool if someone was to call them and possibly record the call. Can you imagine how much s**t would hit the fan then?!

by carpenoctem Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:37 am

Sorry just my opinion......

When something like this is in the plan we shouldn't openly post it here with media and other people probably following us. Maybe it would make more sense to discuss a "possible debunk" through PM.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:39 am

jpresley wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
jpresley wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to debunk the 'in cold storage' story. That really f*cked me up yesterday.

Now, I don't know a lot about embalming bodies (aside from wiki/google), and it would be fantastic if we had an embalmer on here (anyone?). In my culture/faith we don't embalm our dead so it's not something I have any personal experience with.
However, this is an odd point for me, a sticking point if you will. Someone mentioned a while back that once a body is embalmed it will last intact and without decomping for around 18 months - and that is in a coffin, in a grave.
So what is the need to keep it in a freezer? As far as I know keeping in the freezer unit of a morgue/mortuary will only keep it fresh for a while but it will still start decomping.
If it's embalmed it won't decomp, so that, in my mind nullifies the need for a freezer.
Embalming is a bit like taxidermy for animals, you take out everything inside that contributes to decomp (blood, plasma/haemoglobin etc) and then stuff it so it doesn't decomp.

Can someone clarify it for me please because this 'on ice' freezer thing doesn't make sense to me.

Embalming merely slows the decomposition down, it does not prevent it. I'm not sure if you've ever noticed this or not, but funeral homes are kept quite cold. The reason for this is to allow family/friends time to visit/mourn the deceased w/o a noticeable decay in the remains. Bodies rapidly decompose in warmer temps. I have experienced this first hand; when my grandfather died we prolonged his burial to allow family members to arrive and pay their last respects. Even though he was embalmed immediately and was kept cool, his body had started to decay rapidly the day we were finally able to bury him (sorry for the morbid story). So, if Michael were indeed dead yet no buried, he would need to be kept in a freezer to preserve his body.. God, just thinking about that makes me sick.

Don't worry about the morbid stories, I've spent night long vigils with both my grandmother's (in 1999) and my uncle's (in 2007) bodies so death is something I'm used to. Dead bodies don't make me squeamish.
I know we had a cooler to keep my uncle's body cool because he died in Summer which accelerates decomp, and I got the distinct stench of decomp from the body.
Lol never been to a funeral home, but I have been to a morgue, I had another uncle who died in summer last year and on the morning of the burial we went to the morgue which is attached to the side of the religious building to view the body.

I know embalming slows down the process, but it would make sense to bury the body rather than freeze it. I don't believe Katherine is going to the mortuary every single day to stare at a corpse, she has 3 young kids to help look after and I'd imagine that her first priority would be to them. Somehow I think someone would have noticed her going in and out and the secret location of the body would come out sooner.
I'm taking the freezer story with a giant grain of salt.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:41 am

carpenoctem wrote:Sorry just my opinion......

When something like this is in the plan we shouldn't openly post it here with media and other people probably following us. Maybe it would make more sense to discuss a "possible debunk" through PM.

It's a little late for that isn't it? I mean we've debunked so many other things including the propofol addiction that if they are following us, they'd have most of what we've got here anyway.

by jpresley Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:50 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
carpenoctem wrote:Sorry just my opinion......

When something like this is in the plan we shouldn't openly post it here with media and other people probably following us. Maybe it would make more sense to discuss a "possible debunk" through PM.

It's a little late for that isn't it? I mean we've debunked so many other things including the propofol addiction that if they are following us, they'd have most of what we've got here anyway.

True that.

Perhaps as we get closer to uncovering something terrifically vital we can go to PM? Or, who knows? If this is truly a hoax, surely they expected this?

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:56 am

jpresley wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
carpenoctem wrote:Sorry just my opinion......

When something like this is in the plan we shouldn't openly post it here with media and other people probably following us. Maybe it would make more sense to discuss a "possible debunk" through PM.

It's a little late for that isn't it? I mean we've debunked so many other things including the propofol addiction that if they are following us, they'd have most of what we've got here anyway.
True that.

Perhaps as we get closer to uncovering something terrifically vital we can go to PM? Or, who knows? If this is truly a hoax, surely they expected this?

I agree, if we uncover something really important - like a make or break, life or death piece of info then we switch to PM.
Whatever we have now is down to solid research, it's all easily available on the internet if people are willing to look.
The journos themselves if they had any brains would be able to research and find exactly what we're finding, it's no big secret.

by Rach Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:59 am

Well said APOM.

I am positive that the information so many of you fabulous people are finding out is meant to be found out. If not people wouldn't have been so sloppy with it.

by ballongiraf Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:02 pm

i imagine Forrest lawn gets 100's of calls from fans, "who wants to send flowers to MJ" LOL. It's a bit too obvious, i think. Perhaps someone could call and ask them general questions? Like the ones give.in.to.me asked in this thread? Do they put embalmed bodies in the freezer? How long do they allow bodies to stay in the morgue before it has to be buried, etc...? Without mentioning MJ, of course. Pretend you have a recently deceased relative and want is doing some research, or something. That way we can get answers on some questions from forrest lawn themselves, and perhaps debunk more rumours?
Just a thought....

by carpenoctem Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:10 pm

It wasn't meant offensive

by EarthAngel90 Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:14 pm

Michael isn't there ??? wow , shocking ..... .

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:25 pm

carpenoctem wrote:It wasn't meant offensive

No, no, we're not being bad or criticising your suggestion at all, please don't think that we are. It's just a little late for discretion because anyone watching can take what we have already found and run with it. It's not exactly a secret what we have found, it's out there in the open for all to see if they want to see it.

by mir26 Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:43 pm

this is a reply from MJHD from velvetsgirl she called to forest lawn also here is her reply from over there

I called Forest Lawn this morning twice. Second time I recorded the call. Dont ask for the file, I cant post it here. But it was discussed in chat. Receptionist said the same thing. Michael jackson is not there or any of the Forest lawn locations.
DOnt know if it means anything, just that everyone is in denial mode.

this gets sranger and stranger Mad

by Another.Part.Of.Me Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:00 pm

mir26 wrote:this is a reply from MJHD from velvetsgirl she called to forest lawn also here is her reply from over there

I called Forest Lawn this morning twice. Second time I recorded the call. Dont ask for the file, I cant post it here. But it was discussed in chat. Receptionist said the same thing. Michael jackson is not there or any of the Forest lawn locations.
DOnt know if it means anything, just that everyone is in denial mode.

this gets sranger and stranger

Excellent, forgive me for getting excited about it but it does bolster one's hope.
There are two possible scenarios for this in my mind:
1). Michael isn't dead so obviously there is no body which can be taken to Forest Lawn
2). They're doing it to fob people off and stop them from all descending on Forest lawn searching for the grave.

I don't believe in number 2 at all because if they were trying to fob people off it wouldn't work. People would still turn up there regardless of what the receptionist said.

by jpresley Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:44 pm

carpenoctem wrote:It wasn't meant offensive

No offense taken dear. Smile

by Guest Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:50 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
mir26 wrote:this is a reply from MJHD from velvetsgirl she called to forest lawn also here is her reply from over there

I called Forest Lawn this morning twice. Second time I recorded the call. Dont ask for the file, I cant post it here. But it was discussed in chat. Receptionist said the same thing. Michael jackson is not there or any of the Forest lawn locations.
DOnt know if it means anything, just that everyone is in denial mode.

this gets sranger and stranger
Excellent, forgive me for getting excited about it but it does bolster one's hope.
There are two possible scenarios for this in my mind:
1). Michael isn't dead so obviously there is no body which can be taken to Forest Lawn
2). They're doing it to fob people off and stop them from all descending on Forest lawn searching for the grave.

I don't believe in number 2 at all because if they were trying to fob people off it wouldn't work. People would still turn up there regardless of what the receptionist said.

I agree with number one! cheers

by Guest Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:13 pm

wow this is crazy. at first I thought that maybe the receptionist just said that so they don't have crazies showing up, but 1. people are going to anyway because its on the news and 2. she didn't give out any specific info as to WHERE so why would she need to say he isn't there.

this plan is getting kinda sloppy IMO

by Guest Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:41 pm

WTH??? I find it very odd that Katrine have been vissiting Michael alot, at "forrest lawn" and no papparazzi have been able to take one singel picture of this??

Arent they normally hiding in bushes and trees, and would do anything to get a picture? And specially in a case like this

by mir26 Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:05 am

ok thanks to anna k from MJDH this is more and more supicious

Hey, guys. As you might already know, member V placed a phonecall at Forest Lawn and recorded it. She sent it to some members who asked but there are too many members on the site to send it individually. I took the liberty to transcribe it so people could see what it was about – I won't upload it though. If V wants to do it, that's fine, but it's not my phonecall. If V doesn't want me to transcribe the phonecall, she can PM me and I'll delete the thread immediately.
So here's the phonecall transcript :

V : Hello ?
FL receptionist : Yes ?
V : Yeah, I'm sorry to bother you ; I'm hoping you might be able to give me some information on, um, I would like to send some flowers for Michael Jackson's site but I was told that you don't have any information on that.
FL receptionist : That's right.
V : So he… I would not be able to send him flowers at that location – is he perhaps at another location ?
FL receptionist : No, he's not at Forest Lawn, period. He's not here at Forest Lawn.
V : Alright, well thank you very much.

by gujunpyo Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:11 am

HOLY FISH HEAD!!
MY GOSH!
I GOT GOOSEBUMPS AFTER READING THE POST!

wow!
fishyness!

by Human_nature Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:14 am

mir26 wrote:ok thanks to anna k from MJDH this is more and more supicious

Hey, guys. As you might already know, member V placed a phonecall at Forest Lawn and recorded it. She sent it to some members who asked but there are too many members on the site to send it individually. I took the liberty to transcribe it so people could see what it was about – I won't upload it though. If V wants to do it, that's fine, but it's not my phonecall. If V doesn't want me to transcribe the phonecall, she can PM me and I'll delete the thread immediately.
So here's the phonecall transcript :

V : Hello ?
FL receptionist : Yes ?
V : Yeah, I'm sorry to bother you ; I'm hoping you might be able to give me some information on, um, I would like to send some flowers for Michael Jackson's site but I was told that you don't have any information on that.
FL receptionist : That's right.
V : So he… I would not be able to send him flowers at that location – is he perhaps at another location ?
FL receptionist : No, he's not at Forest Lawn, period. He's not here at Forest Lawn.
V : Alright, well thank you very much.

hmm

More suspicous , sure...
Unreal ...fact Shocked

by BuBBLes Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:01 am

wow...okay..so far there's 2 ppl who called already right?? and the receptionist gave the same ans 2 both of them right??

anybody in this site live near forest lawn?? maybe more info can be obtained if some of us here can go to forest lawn n do a bit of research? like ask the receptionist in person instead through phone?

e.g bring flowers to forest lawn, tell receptionist 1 2 deliver flowers to michael's site, ask if she can show the site, she what she says....cos there''s a diff between "no, we can't give out the info" or "he's not here". if she says "no, we can't give out the info" then can just ask her to help deliver the flowers on our part. if she say "he's not here" then bingo!

i wish i can do it but i'm not living in the US...

by Guest Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:04 am

the hell??! Suspect

it's cause he's alive...uhderrrrrrrrrrrr Rolling Eyes

by Guest Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:11 am

OH HOLY LORD.

Is this serious??

Please tell me this is true.

Are we sure of this. It can be something the receptionist is just saying.

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