(Important) I'm Alive And I'm Here Forever - Debunked

It's a line from a Michael Jackson duet with Paul McCartney - "The Man".

I knew he had to have said it, because he said all the other quotes.

But why did the memorial end with the "man behind the curtain" image from Liberian Girl? Perhaps, a hint...



The real Michael behind the curtain at the o2!

Link to o2 decoy thread - https://mjkit.forumotion.net/pictures-hoax-f11/the-o2-lookalike-in-2007-t306.htm?highlight=o2+lookalike+2007

Jordy, when was this picture taken? was it at the o2 conference?

Edit** ok sorry didnt see that last statement, Jordy. Is it possible to post pics of the other guy? I dont know how to post pics here. thanks in advance

Just noticed that pic, that is MJ so WTH happened between here and the announcement????????????? how did they switch??? wow MJ is a major head scratcher...

Were did you find that picture? And is he wearing the same clothes as 02 guy?

Now THAT'S the real Michael!!! It makes me so annoyed when people ie: the tabloids print pictures of the fake because it's not him!!!!

I think he pulled a switch to see how people would react to an imposter. Sorry Michael, but you can't fool us!!!!

You have to look back on the o2 press announcement, the rent a crowd with only a small amount of fans, hardly anyone took any pics, Dr Tohme Tohme behind the curtain then at the side of the stage, the snarling look the o2 guy gave someone in the front row, and which was captured on a fan video but never shown in the announcement, the fan video on youtube is now removed due to violation, weird.....Us being told he was 90mins late to the o2 when in reality he was 5hrs late.....the press conference we seen was edited and staged, to us he got out of the minibus and went straight onto the stage, this was not the case, so much editing to show us, the evidence is there but some has gone...that is why you see the real MJ peering through the curtains before the fake MJ went on stage.....see how you all realised without batting an eyelash that Dancing Machines pic is THE REAL MICHAEL without hesitation!!

That pic was took before the official announcement, before the fake MJ appeared, it wasnt all straightforward as we seen on television, wasnt live. This guy has been in action since end of 2006 once again in London, during Mary Poppins play, etc but on balcony at hotel is real MJ obviously decoy employed so real MJ can go on other private business while paparazzi are occupied with the decoy...

WHAT.

THE.

HELL.

THAT'S MJ...

o.O so he is literally the man behind the curtain...o.O
Ok if he was there so, why he allowed the Dude guy speak instead of himself?A trial to see if he was able to fool us O.o?There is not another picture, just this one?Why they switched?Why 5 hours delay?Can someone explain this again, cause my mind just runned for the dark side of the moon, and is moonwalking there right now.

@ Jordy

I am going to move this topic into the hoax pictures board!

neverlandsfairy wrote:o.O so he is literally the man behind the curtain...o.O
Ok if he was there so, why he allowed the Dude guy speak instead of himself?A trial to see if he was able to fool us O.o?There is not another picture, just this one?Why they switched?Why 5 hours delay?Can someone explain this again, cause my mind just runned for the dark side of the moon, and is moonwalking there right now.

I have been wondering if the decoy has become ill (skin cancer?) and that is the Michael masked we have seen in the doctors so many times, and the real Michael has appeared so we don't believe it's the decoy. I think the press conference was the decoy's last big show for Michael, and when he died he could give Michael the chance for freedom. Agh... I really don't know

The british newspapers were onto it the day after, just like we all know as soon as we seen
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1161879/The-square-chin-The-deep-voice-But-really-Michael-Jackson.html

thanks GITM ...

Dancing Machine wrote:
I have been wondering if the decoy has become ill (skin cancer?) and that is the Michael masked we have seen in the doctors so many times, and the real Michael has appeared so we don't believe it's the decoy. I think the press conference was the decoy's last big show for Michael, and when he died he could give Michael the chance for freedom. Agh... I really don't know

You certainly have a point there.

Wow...look at this small piece from the article (towards the end...talking about Navi):

The Essex-based lookalike, who has previously acted as a decoy for the star, was mobbed outside the Arena that day
by fans who were convinced he was the real thing. 'That was Michael Jackson, I'd stake my life on it,' he told me.

Did you catch that??? Let me post it again:

was mobbed outside the Arena that day

THAT DAY!!! The day of the O2 Conference. So Navi WAS there!!!

Did you guys already know this? I didn't, but I never read this article before either.

Dancing Machine wrote:

neverlandsfairy wrote:o.O so he is literally the man behind the curtain...o.O
Ok if he was there so, why he allowed the Dude guy speak instead of himself?A trial to see if he was able to fool us O.o?There is not another picture, just this one?Why they switched?Why 5 hours delay?Can someone explain this again, cause my mind just runned for the dark side of the moon, and is moonwalking there right now.

I have been wondering if the decoy has become ill (skin cancer?) and that is the Michael masked we have seen in the doctors so many times, and the real Michael has appeared so we don't believe it's the decoy. I think the press conference was the decoy's last big show for Michael, and when he died he could give Michael the chance for freedom. Agh... I really don't know

This is a good thought, makes me very sad though to think MJ would let us believe he died just to get his freedom. If he could hide in death...surely he could have just hid while alive. I agree with you though this is

Savannah wrote:Wow...look at this small piece from the article (towards the end...talking about Navi):

The Essex-based lookalike, who has previously acted as a decoy for the star, was mobbed outside the Arena that day
by fans who were convinced he was the real thing. 'That was Michael Jackson, I'd stake my life on it,' he told me.

Did you catch that??? Let me post it again:

was mobbed outside the Arena that day

THAT DAY!!! The day of the O2 Conference. So Navi WAS there!!!

Did you guys already know this? I didn't, but I never read this article before either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mTtuaaP0M here he is

A really good pic of difference in hands
https://2img.net/h/i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll281/d-va100/osee1.jpg

@ Savannah

I saw a video on YouTube (I'm sorry I don't have the link) of Navi at the O2 on that day and people were going crazy for him. However, IMO he looked less like Michael than the O2 guy. I don't think that Navi bears a lot of resembalance to Michael.

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

Good god Navi is nothing like MJ, pleeeeaze!! I think anyone who thinks he even resembles MJ is insulting to him, really i do..Hes like a big bloke, Michael is eloquent, so please enough of this Navi stuff, hes horrendous

Savannah wrote:Wow...look at this small piece from the article (towards the end...talking about Navi):

The Essex-based lookalike, who has previously acted as a decoy for the star, was mobbed outside the Arena that day
by fans who were convinced he was the real thing. 'That was Michael Jackson, I'd stake my life on it,' he told me.

Did you catch that??? Let me post it again:

was mobbed outside the Arena that day

THAT DAY!!! The day of the O2 Conference. So Navi WAS there!!!

Did you guys already know this? I didn't, but I never read this article before either.

NAVI DOES NOT LOOK LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON.

And seriously, he looked like neither Michael or o2 decoy that day. He was turning up as a fan.

Here he is... LOOK HE LOOKS NOTHING LIKE HIM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mTtuaaP0M

Ok, I feel like a dork now...lol. Well why the heck did Navi need to be there??? I totally agree that the resemblance isn't the best either, Rachel...but if Michael really was 5 hours late...that's 5 hours to do alot of make up touch-ups to an impersonator. I bet the make up artist could do wonders in 5 hours.

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

Thanks human nature someone on my page for a change..Yes wherever MJ is he always has to try and steal the limelight, but really is such a joke over here!!
He really should just be himself, and give it a rest...he looks like a drag queen....lets not lose the real subject of this thread.

Savannah wrote:Ok, I feel like a dork now...lol. Well why the heck did Navi need to be there??? I totally agree that the resemblance isn't the best either, Rachel...but if Michael really was 5 hours late...that's 5 hours to do alot of make up touch-ups to an impersonator. I bet the make up artist could do wonders in 5 hours.

Awww don't feel like a dork! You weren't to know!

I honestly don't think I have seen one impersonator that has fooled me into thinking 100% it WAS Michael. I mean there are always flaws. Navi as we have seen isn't the greatest, Carlo Riley isn't defined enough and his eyes give him away http://www.almostmj.com/Carlo-Riley-as-Michael-Jackson~146155~14811.htm and E'Casonova is good but not great.

You can never 100% look like another person because there will always be a telltale sign, so as much as makeup artists can work their magic I will always be able to spot some flaw

IMHO if MJ was using decoys / look alikes to fool the paps, to fill in for him or even at the O2 press conference, it wasn't one of the "famous" impersonators (i.e. E'casanova, Navi, Carlo Riley, etc.) but someone who works privately and exclusively for MJ.

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

annieisnotokey wrote:IMHO if MJ was using decoys / look alikes to fool the paps, to fill in for him or even at the O2 press conference, it wasn't one of the "famous" impersonators (i.e. E'casanova, Navi, Carlo Riley, etc.) but someone who works privately and exclusively for MJ.

You are probably 100% right...that makes total sense!

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day !

Human_nature wrote:Michael , his speech in 2002 about Sony, here with Earnest. Michael look-like taller, but he's not He weared high heels boots and Earnest simple flat shoes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULXFtRQ5pv0

Thank you for the links, but the videos keep locking up. I'm sure it's my computer because it has been running real slow today...probably because it never gets shut down (lol). I will try and watch them tomorrow.

Oh that pic is so nice!He really look as a might King before his loyal knight!

But why use a lookalike? The (speculative) theory is that Jackson - filmed falling on the steps of his minibus before it left for the Arena - was either injured or too ill to appear in person. With millions at stake in ticket sales, who would be bold enough to disappoint the waiting fans and international broadcasters now?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1161879/The-square-chin-The-deep-voice-But-really-Michael-Jackson.html#ixzz0Ou4Si1OS

LOL That could be an explanation!

I do belive that in the photo behind the red courtin is the REAL Michael (he's not very well shaved as the decoy is...but stil beautiful and his hair is not the same)
As for Navi, i don't think it was him because of the shape of his face...
Then, as far as I know the O2 guy might be:
1. E'Casanova
2. Carlo Riley (if you look at his photo with the glasses on, he might be the O2 guy)
3. Earnest Valentino (is a bit taller then MJ)
One of this 3 guys must have been there in London with Michael and Navi!

As for the article in dailymail, it seems that they also questioned the O2 guy:
Next, the voice. The few words he stumbled over at the microphone had far more bass than many expected.

Whatever differences there might have been, however, it was enough to get the internet theorists moving. One site draws attention to his hands (fingers not long enough to be Michael's, apparently). Another suggests he was too tall.
(Could that be Earnest Valentino?? In the video posted here by Human_Nature, Earnest is taller, as she pointed. He's older than the rest of decoys, what explains the old hands)

What do you think? Witch impersonator looks like the O2 guy, imagening each one with the glasses on?!

Sorry for my bad english, it's like my 3d language. I hope you understand what I mean!

Have you seen this photo before?
He's E'Casanova at the memorial!
Is this photo fake?

iulialarisa wrote:Have you seen this photo before?
He's E'Casanova at the memorial!
Is this photo fake?

yes i seen it before over on MJHD....it's a fake he not really there.

It could be added but I'm no expert.. Looks rather like someone did not clear up the tiny bit of white beside the sleeve.. Look closely at the pic. below marked in red..

LOL Summer+Sc3nt, you are right!
But why would someone put a fake E'Casanova photo from the Memorial on the internet? I don't get it!

iulialarisa wrote:LOL Summer+Sc3nt, you are right!
But why would someone put a fake E'Casanova photo from the Memorial on the internet? I don't get it!

Beats me actually lol... but it should run along the lines that are familiar with the Media.. People like to plant untruth and messed up other ppl's minds. Don't understand it but that's the way troublemakers think..

iulialarisa wrote:LOL Summer+Sc3nt, you are right!
But why would someone put a fake E'Casanova photo from the Memorial on the internet? I don't get it!

Well I don't know if this is true. But I was thinking for a while everyone thought that E'Casanova was the one who was in the ambulance photo. Maybe whoever made this photo wanted everyone to believe that he was alive and well and at the memorial to throw us off our game. but didn't work.....were smarter than that. lol

iulialarisa,

I only manage to get Navi with the glasses on..

iulialarisa wrote:Have you seen this photo before?
He's E'Casanova at the memorial!
Is this photo fake?

I think it's fake too. is he wearing the same jacket as the one 'MJ' wore to the O2 conference in March?

In the first photo-E'Casanova

In the 2d photo-Carlo Riley

In the 3d photo-Earnest Valentino

And this Michael Jackson

MJSmile4Us wrote:

iulialarisa wrote:Have you seen this photo before?
He's E'Casanova at the memorial!
Is this photo fake?

I think it's fake too. is he wearing the same jacket as the one 'MJ' wore to the O2 conference in March?

Yes MJSmile4Us it looks like the same jacket although several of it might be around.. Maybe the rest of the impersonators have it too

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