Was MJ another Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde?

by GirlSaturday Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:02 pm

Warning:
This post will be controversial and quite disturbing for some. My purpose for posting is not to offend . I merely ask to understand some questions that are rolling around inside my mind. Perhaps there are others who have the same thoughts. In any event, there may be others who are awakened to ask similiar questions.

I have done a lot of reading and general research since June 25th. As noted before, some news has been new while other news has just been old. Even with the old news, I re-read it to generate fresh thoughts and to see it through fresh eyes. I am not a mental health professional. I know some people who are and I have made inquiries to them. I am merely a person who has a habit of looking for the story behind the story or who looks to peel the onion back to see what is hidden beneath the layers. Yeah yeah yeah enough of my disclaimer you say...

Could Michael Jackson have been a victim of so much traumatic physical/mental/sexual abuse, as a child, that he developed another alter personality? Sybil or The Three Faces of Eve type?

In my research about Michael since June 25th I am coming across some things that trigger me to possibly make that assumption. Bottom Line: Every damn thing about Michael Jackson appears in extremes. He is THIS but then on the other hand he is THAT. We are led to believe that he was a shy introverted virgin. His stage performance tells us that he was neither shy or childlike or anyone's virgin. Introverts do not design and wear gold pants that display the prominent family jewels that knowingly send ladies home after a concert to take very cold showers. We were led to believe that he has a childlike mind. Children do not strategize to capture the highly valuable Beatles music collection or marry the daughter of the beloved King of Rock & Roll, especially during a scandalous trial questioning his sexuality and sexual deviances. It is as if there are two internal forces struggling within him having the battle of a lifetime.

Did Michael have his own Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde demon to deal with? Your thoughts...

by DreamChild Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:40 am

~I have been hurt all of my Life~

~and now~Because I know what Pain feels like~Inside~

~I NEVER want to ever make anyone feel that way because of something that I said or did~Not even Accidentally~

~There are others in the World who have been hurt like I was~Some even worse than I have been~~But they turned the other way than I did~

~But I Believe that Michael turned to the same way that I did~

~Because he is the one who taught me to do that to begin with~

~The only thing that "splits" people's perception of Michael is the Media portraying him in these extreme ways~

~Being Child-like does not mean that someone doesn't have the ability to make Adult Decisions when they are called for~

~And it doesn't mean that Michael is not aware of his Sexuality~

~but his way of "Escaping" from the Stress that everyday Life entailed for him was to PLAY~have Water Balloon fights and Food Fights and things like that~

And even on those occasions when he seemed to be "At Play" with the Charity Groups of Children who came to Neverland~~He was still at work even then~

~Because those Water Balloon fights and the Super Soakers were fun and a means of escape for the Children~~But also for him,too~

~I watch Cartoons and play video games and Love Walt Disney but that doesn't mean that I am Incapable of making decisions and thinking and Planning~

~So~~~Am I a Jeckyl and Hyde,too,then?~ Rolling Eyes

by GirlSaturday Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:55 am

Thank you for sharing. Perhaps we all are Jekyl and Hyde.

DreamChild wrote:~I have been hurt all of my Life~

~and now~Because I know what Pain feels like~Inside~

~I NEVER want to ever make anyone feel that way because of something that I said or did~Not even Accidentally~

~There are others in the World who have been hurt like I was~Some even worse than I have been~~But they turned the other way than I did~

~But I Believe that Michael turned to the same way that I did~

~Because he is the one who taught me to do that to begin with~

~The only thing that "splits" people's perception of Michael is the Media portraying him in these extreme ways~

~Being Child-like does not mean that someone doesn't have the ability to make Adult Decisions when they are called for~

~And it doesn't mean that Michael is not aware of his Sexuality~

~but his way of "Escaping" from the Stress that everyday Life entailed for him was to PLAY~have Water Balloon fights and Food Fights and things like that~

And even on those occasions when he seemed to be "At Play" with the Charity Groups of Children who came to Neverland~~He was still at work even then~

~Because those Water Balloon fights and the Super Soakers were fun and a means of escape for the Children~~But also for him,too~

~I watch Cartoons and play video games and Love Walt Disney but that doesn't mean that I am Incapable of making decisions and thinking and Planning~

~So~~~Am I a Jeckyl and Hyde,too,then?~

by MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:56 am

GirlSaturday,
Although I don't buy into what you've posted, you've followed your thoughts through. It's well stated and I can see where your thoughts lead to your conclusion. Makes sense w/ the presumption stated.

DreamChild,
I'm happy to read your thoughts on this subject. And the answer to your question is NO!

:~ XOXOXOX MICHAEL = L.O.V.E. XOXOXOX ~:

by DreamChild Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:05 am

~Thankyou!~

Embarassed

~Although~~I never fit~

~I Cherish Kindness when and wherever I find it!~

I love you

by GirlSaturday Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:20 am

That's the beauty of sharing diverse thoughts and opinions. We are granted a chance to exchange ideas and hopefully sort the valid from the invalid stuff. I have read some disturbing things that relate to MJ and the music industry that he faced as a child. I have been introduced to theories of mind control and of large sinister forces that supposedly had a role in his early career. Unsure of whether these materials that I have read are real or not, I wanted to pose the question to others who might be more familiar and in a better positon to explain them to me. Thanks for sharing.

MJ_Fan_For_40_yrs wrote:GirlSaturday,
Although I don't buy into what you've posted, you've followed your thoughts through. It's well stated and I can see where your thoughts lead to your conclusion. Makes sense w/ the presumption stated.

DreamChild,
I'm happy to read your thoughts on this subject. And the answer to your question is NO!

:~ XOXOXOX MICHAEL = L.O.V.E. XOXOXOX ~:

by DreamChild Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:30 am

~Of Course the World is filled with all of us Unique people~

~and we all have Unique Ideas and Unique Views of the World~

~But~

~Honestly I just don't see Michael as being a "Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde" type of person~

~He has too much Love and is too CONSISTENT with his Actions and his GOOD DEEDS to be "Dr.Jeckyl and Mr, Hyde"~

~yes of course he dealt with ALOT of things at Kindergarten Age~

~And he did not have what WE would consider to be a "Normal" Lifestyle~

~But that is not to say that there were NEVER any Good things or Good Moments~

~They may have come far and few in between but they did exist~

~The Beauty of being a Child~~Is that Children find Joy and Fun in EVERYthIng~

~Michael took the Fun and Adventure where he could find it~

~Cherished it~~And Wished for more~

~but he never Shucked his Love and Compassion for those who are less fortunate~

~Children have a Great Love of the World and to them it is as simple as :

~There are people starving in Africa~~

Give them food~

~Problem Solved~

~Michael has this same simplicity and Love~

~He didn't just cry about the starving people~~He saw them and helped them~

by Another.Part.Of.Me Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:44 am

I can see where you're coming from GirlSaturday although respectfully I don't agree wholly with it (but I love the sharing of ideas and debate).
I brought up the Jekyll and Hyde connection in response to Annie's awesome theory on saturday although that was more in line with the 'Jack London'/dying double separate entity 'Hyde' as opposed to a split personality within the same Michael idea.

All the same, a good explanation for your theory/idea,
xoxo

by hungry Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:51 am

Although I do agree that "every damn thing about Michael Jackson appears in extremes", I'm not completely agreeing with your theory for some reason.
In an interview with Michael I heard him say that he's most comfortable on stage, and that when he's off stage everything is foreign to him. Maybe that's why he's so different when he's not performing?
I'm not sure.
Thanks for sharing though!

by GirlSaturday Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:53 am

Yes...you and your post inspired me to ask my question.

Plus, I had been recently reading some creepy stuff about Jermaine's (unpublished) book where he alluded to some adults abusing MJ as a child along with other general readings about the record industry. I was merely trying to put together pieces of the puzzle forming in my head. Thanks for sharing!

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:I can see where you're coming from GirlSaturday although respectfully I don't agree wholly with it (but I love the sharing of ideas and debate).
I brought up the Jekyll and Hyde connection in response to Annie's awesome theory on saturday although that was more in line with the 'Jack London'/dying double separate entity 'Hyde' as opposed to a split personality within the same Michael idea.

All the same, a good explanation for your theory/idea,
xoxo

by DreamChild Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:58 am

~Make certain that the Book that You own Truly is In Fact jermaine's Book~~and not the Garbage that Stacy Brown is Lying about and trying to claim Jermaine wrote but didn't~

I love you

by Another.Part.Of.Me Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:01 am

GirlSaturday wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:I can see where you're coming from GirlSaturday although respectfully I don't agree wholly with it (but I love the sharing of ideas and debate).
I brought up the Jekyll and Hyde connection in response to Annie's awesome theory on saturday although that was more in line with the 'Jack London'/dying double separate entity 'Hyde' as opposed to a split personality within the same Michael idea.

All the same, a good explanation for your theory/idea,
xoxo
Yes...you and your post inspired me to ask my question.

Plus, I had been recently reading some creepy stuff about Jermaine's (unpublished) book where he alluded to some adults abusing MJ as a child along with other general readings about the record industry. I was merely trying to put together pieces of the puzzle forming in my head. Thanks for sharing!

Lol Glad I could help Very Happy

About Jermaine's unpublished book. This is not the first time I've heard about the Michael was abused as a child by a person or persons unknown.
In J Randy Taraborelli's book he says that when Latoya signed her 'exclusive' book deal in the 80s/early 90s - she too was going to write about 'Michael being sexually abused' as a child by Joseph/others - and when Michael told her not to she tried blackmailing him into giving her millions not to publish it. In the end that particular 'story' was not published in her book although she did allege that Joseph forced her into a 'sexual' relationship with him.

In the end, I think that is something that we'll never really know the answer too although in my heart of hearts I don't think Michael was sexually abused as a child. The Joseph beatings are another issue but I do recognise that Michael reconciled with his father and that his father unfortunately treated his children the only way he knew how and the way he was brought up. It's sad to say but he probably didn't know any better and didn't try to find out.

Thanks for sharing your theory with us, I like hearing other people's take on different situations because it helps round out my own and make me see things which I may have missed or overlooked.

by GirlSaturday Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:15 am

Comfortable on stage could be expressed and displayed through his marvalous concert performance where he shows no mistakes or signs of nervousness. Grabbing a crotch, gyrating in a sexual manner and doing other erotically suggestive things stands out even more for someone who giggles/blushes when the topic of sex comes up and whispers the word "penis".

A mental health professional shared that an exxagerated sexuality is not uncommon for people who were abused as children. It empowers them. A girl can be a victim of sexual abuse and grow up to become a prostitute. NOT because she is immoral but because in that role of prostitute, she feels empowered. She now determines who she has relations with and that they must pay her for it. I'm not married to my theory. I'm just trying to put some strange puzzle pieces together that are rolling around in my head. All feedback is welcome as I try to sort this out.

hungry wrote:Although I do agree that "every damn thing about Michael Jackson appears in extremes", I'm not completely agreeing with your theory for some reason.
In an interview with Michael I heard him say that he's most comfortable on stage, and that when he's off stage everything is foreign to him. Maybe that's why he's so different when he's not performing?
I'm not sure.
Thanks for sharing though!

by Another.Part.Of.Me Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:20 am

GirlSaturday wrote:Comfortable on stage could be expressed and displayed through his marvalous concert performance where he shows no mistakes or signs of nervousness. Grabbing a crotch, gyrating in a sexual manner and doing other erotically suggestive things stands out even more for someone who giggles/blushes when the topic of sex comes up and whispers the word "penis".

A mental health professional shared that an exxagerated sexuality is not uncommon for people who were abused as children. It empowers them. A girl can be a victim of sexual abuse and grow up to become a prostitute. NOT because she is immoral but because in that role of prostitute, she feels empowered. She now determines who she has relations with and that they must pay her for it. I'm not married to my theory. I'm just trying to put some strange puzzle pieces together that are rolling around in my head. All feedback is welcome as I try to sort this out.

hungry wrote:Although I do agree that "every damn thing about Michael Jackson appears in extremes", I'm not completely agreeing with your theory for some reason.
In an interview with Michael I heard him say that he's most comfortable on stage, and that when he's off stage everything is foreign to him. Maybe that's why he's so different when he's not performing?
I'm not sure.
Thanks for sharing though!

As an aside: I blush and whisper the word 'penis' too, and sometimes giggle while doing it. It's not uncommon especially if people are virgins or uncomfortable talking about sex.

I know that when I'm around people especially large groups of people/strangers, I'm fairly quiet and spend more time observing than talking (close friends being the exception - then we get loud/chatty), but when I'm somewhere where I'm in my element such as court or the Moot Court you'd never guess that I was quiet or shy.
It doesn't mean that someone is a victim of abuse - either physical or sexual.

by phoenix Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:28 am

well i dont mean to offend you by writing this but: in my opinion its desrespectful to speculate in that way about someone's psychical condition- i am sure no one would like to read that kind of statement about himself which is only based on suppositions.....
if i would read that kind of stuff about myself it would really make me very angry

by just_friend Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:31 am

Well, at some point I feel like there are 2 extremes (as you, GirlSaturday, said) in Michael! As he is SO shy when he gives interviews, this is so cute, but the videos show us his sexuality (in some ways "aggressive" - no offence, I hope you do understand what I mean, just look at his facial expression).
I have this trait of character as shyness, but my work demands not to show it! So when at work (as Michael on stage) I am NOT shy at all! But anyways I can't get rid of this feeling! Smile

by DreamChild Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:50 am

~LaToya has stated on several occasions that the things that she said and the Statements that she gave and the Books that she wrote during her Marriage to Jack Gordon were forced out of her because he was EXTREMELY ABUSIVE to her~

~I Believe that statement because I know what it is like to be with someone who physically as well as MENTALLY and EMOTIONALLY controls You~

~And Threatens those You Love with Great Bodily Harm if You don't do what they tell You~

~This is all LIES~

~Beware this man Stacy Brown~

~He has never met Michael but claims that he knew him well "Like a Brother"~

~He was Shut out of the jackson Family's Life~

~He has used his so-called "Relationship" with the Jackson Family to get Fans to have Sex with him~

~I have heard from a Fan that Stacy Brown supposedly tried to "Hit On" Michael and Michael turned him down flat and Stacy Brown didn't want to take "No" for an answer and so he was shut out of this Family's Life not just for that but for other things as well~

~Stacy Brown is NOT to be Trusted~

~Beware~

by GirlSaturday Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:57 am

All feedback is welcome. No problem at all with yours. I've faced a lot while growing and becomming an adult so I'm not easily offended.

I do not wish to speculate on a person's psychological condition for any sordid or illicit reasons. I don't work for tabloids...lol. I only wish to understand why some people behave the way that they do and what may have contributed to their development. I know people who were unlucky and were raised in dysfunctional households. The horendous problems that they faced were instrumental in their development and how they interact with others along with their own self-image. Some overcame their early problems. Sadly others live with their demons on a daily basis.

I am pretty balanced and even. I do not get too high or too low emotionally. It must be the Libra inside of me. There are no extremes to my personality. I am not hot with one person and cold to another person. IF I were like a pendulum that swung from one end to the other then I would expect observations and comments about me as well.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

phoenix wrote:well i dont mean to offend you by writing this but: in my opinion its desrespectful to speculate in that way about someone's psychical condition- i am sure no one would like to read that kind of statement about himself which is only based on suppositions.....
if i would read that kind of stuff about myself it would really make me very angry

by phoenix Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:01 am

GirlSaturday wrote:All feedback is welcome. No problem at all with yours. I've faced a lot while growing and becomming an adult so I'm not easily offended.

I do not wish to speculate on a person's psychological condition for any sordid or illicit reasons. I don't work for tabloids...lol. I only wish to understand why some people behave the way that they do and what may have contributed to their development. I know people who were unlucky and were raised in dysfunctional households. The horendous problems that they faced were instrumental in their development and how they interact with others along with their own self-image. Some overcame their early problems. Sadly others live with their demons on a daily basis.

I am pretty balanced and even. I do not get too high or too low emotionally. It must be the Libra inside of me. There are no extremes to my personality. I am not hot with one person and cold to another person. IF I were like a pendulum that swung from one end to the other then I would expect observations and comments about me as well.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

phoenix wrote:well i dont mean to offend you by writing this but: in my opinion its desrespectful to speculate in that way about someone's psychical condition- i am sure no one would like to read that kind of statement about himself which is only based on suppositions.....
if i would read that kind of stuff about myself it would really make me very angry

LOL i am Libra too and i am very extreme....i dont really believe that astrology affects our life that strong ... Razz

by GirlSaturday Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:06 am

LOL... Repeat after me..."Keep those Libra scales balanced otherwise you will drive yourself crazy!"

I'm 10/15, when is your birthday!

Astrology can be fun. Some people seem to fit their sign.

phoenix wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:All feedback is welcome. No problem at all with yours. I've faced a lot while growing and becomming an adult so I'm not easily offended.

I do not wish to speculate on a person's psychological condition for any sordid or illicit reasons. I don't work for tabloids...lol. I only wish to understand why some people behave the way that they do and what may have contributed to their development. I know people who were unlucky and were raised in dysfunctional households. The horendous problems that they faced were instrumental in their development and how they interact with others along with their own self-image. Some overcame their early problems. Sadly others live with their demons on a daily basis.

I am pretty balanced and even. I do not get too high or too low emotionally. It must be the Libra inside of me. There are no extremes to my personality. I am not hot with one person and cold to another person. IF I were like a pendulum that swung from one end to the other then I would expect observations and comments about me as well.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

phoenix wrote:well i dont mean to offend you by writing this but: in my opinion its desrespectful to speculate in that way about someone's psychical condition- i am sure no one would like to read that kind of statement about himself which is only based on suppositions.....
if i would read that kind of stuff about myself it would really make me very angry

LOL i am Libra too and i am very extreme....i dont really believe that astrology affects our life that strong ...

by phoenix Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:08 am

OMG you you have your BDay at the same day as my best friend ever LOL
i am 6 days younger Cool

by Another.Part.Of.Me Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:08 am

GirlSaturday wrote:LOL... Repeat after me..."Keep those Libra scales balanced otherwise you will drive yourself crazy!"

I'm 10/15, when is your birthday!

Astrology can be fun. Some people seem to fit their sign.

LOL i am Libra too and i am very extreme....i dont really believe that astrology affects our life that strong ...

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Lol astrology can be fun although I don't personally believe in it. I think I fit my sign [Aquarius] and all the traits/characteristics fit but astrology is not something I believe in.

by phoenix Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:11 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:LOL... Repeat after me..."Keep those Libra scales balanced otherwise you will drive yourself crazy!"

I'm 10/15, when is your birthday!

Astrology can be fun. Some people seem to fit their sign.

LOL i am Libra too and i am very extreme....i dont really believe that astrology affects our life that strong ...

Lol astrology can be fun although I don't personally believe in it. I think I fit my sign [Aquarius] and all the traits/characteristics fit but astrology is not something I believe in.[/quote]

LOL exactly APOM :-)

by just_friend Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:27 am

Phoenix, 6 days younger is October, 9?
I am Libra too))))

by phoenix Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:29 am

just_friend wrote:Phoenix, 6 days younger is October, 9?
I am Libra too))))

yep! and to be libra is the best thing ever (lol i dont want to offend other zodiac signs ) lol!

by just_friend Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:33 am

Sweetie, my Bday is October, 9!!!! flower

by Another.Part.Of.Me Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:33 am

phoenix wrote:
just_friend wrote:Phoenix, 6 days younger is October, 9?
I am Libra too))))

yep! and to be libra is the best thing ever (lol i dont want to offend other zodiac signs )

Lol NO WAY!! Aquarius is the best sign ever - we're unique misunderstood geniuses and we're independent and a bit crazy - it's the perfect mix lol lol!

by Grace Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:35 am

by Lorrie Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:38 am

GirlSaturday wrote:Could Michael Jackson have been a victim of so much traumatic physical/mental/sexual abuse, as a child, that he developed another alter personality? Sybil or The Three Faces of Eve type?

Well, anything is possible, GirlSaturday, but I don't think this is the case for Michael.

Without delivering a lengthy monologue, let me just say that you have to walk in his or similar shoes to understand how his life could have such divergent and polar-opposite extremes.

Michael was a phenomenally talented black (although any non-predominant race/ethnicity could have the same impact) male entertainer who broke so many boundaries and accomplished so many unexpected things at such an early age it's not even funny. People who haven't been in the same situation can't even begin to fathom the unspoken things (translation: derogatory stereotypes) and resulting insidious crap he had to put up with on a regular basis, not to mention the normal things and crap that all achievers must endure.

I believe that by necessity, Michael had a public self (for business/professional purposes), a semi-private self (to protect himself from those with ulterior motives and that he revealed to "friends" and other acquaintances), and a private self (the "REAL" Michael), as many people do. It's just that the uniqueness of his situation heightened that whole separation. I don't think anybody really, REALLY knew the inner Michael, something I can relate to personally. But he definitely wasn't a Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde-type person, in my opinion -- his life was just compartmentalized by necessity and through no fault of his own.

by Another.Part.Of.Me Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:39 am

Seconded Lorrie and Grace.

by GirlSaturday Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:41 am

Thanks for sharing your very insightful thoughts. I definitely understand a lot more as a result.

Grace wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:Bottom Line: Every damn thing about Michael Jackson appears in extremes. He is THIS but then on the other hand he is THAT. We are led to believe that he was a shy introverted virgin. His stage performance tells us that he was neither shy or childlike or anyone's virgin. Introverts do not design and wear gold pants that display the prominent family jewels that knowingly send ladies home after a concert to take very cold showers. We were led to believe that he has a childlike mind. Children do not strategize to capture the highly valuable Beatles music collection or marry the daughter of the beloved King of Rock & Roll, especially during a scandalous trial questioning his sexuality and sexual deviances. It is as if there are two internal forces struggling within him having the battle of a lifetime.

Did Michael have his own Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde demon to deal with? Your thoughts...

I would not dare to judge over his composure.
However, people who met him in person said that he was two different persons - one on stage and one off stage.

On-stage he would be strong, convincing, brilliant, powerful, not hesitating, going out and giving everything (as witnessed by all of us if not personally at a concert then while watching the videos).
Off-stage he would be shy, somewhat lost, insecure, still, very friendly, showing very fine and articulated attitudes and manners.

I would assume that stage was his world where he grew up, where he knew best how to handle people and situations - there was always a script for a show and people would be set to tasks and positions and a time frame. So everything would be settled and kind of fixed.
Off-stage there is life in all variations ahead - unpredictable, not to be foreseen, people would react differently than expected. Pure uncertainty.

For a human being raised in szenes, schemes, time schedules, rehearsals, "this has to happen this way or it's no good" the off-stage life must be a horrortrip due to all the uncertainties coming up.

Everybody has to deal with the immanent uncertainty of life.
But somebody with the fine emotional tuning and unresponded needs of Michael and the drill and fixed (and forced) stage life certainly had IMO more difficulties with "real" uncertainty than others.
Everybody who was not allowed to control his life on his own has severe issues with control. He could control and manipulate masses on-stage. Off-stage, he would still cause the girls to scream, fall apart, yell, want to marry him, kiss his hands and all other weird stuff. But all of this was going to his on-stage half, not to HIM personally.

This is why he felt insecure, was shy and lonely so many times that he would even call strangers on the phone just to talk to somebody.

I believe that Michael had a control issue in the sense of "I want to control my life after all since I couldn't control it for so long". And certainly he was kind of split in between being grateful for the gifts during stage training but also sad, shuttered and angry for the price he had to pay.

I could explain with that the hugh unnecessary spendings as a reward for his losses (I go shopping and bring things home when I am sad to feed my longings - we all know about that little feature, don't we?). On the other hand, he wanted to spoil others since he knew so much about loss.

I can imagine his perfection thrive (and the knowledge that he could do so many things and just BE successful with it) would ask him together with the control issue to arrange everything for the better, so control contracts, finance, lifestyle, his children's birth etc.
I cannot imagine that he would voluntarily undergo another loss of control. However, many victims seem to go in circles in order to heal from their previous hurts. They don't seek to be hurt again by purpose but may get involved in situations in that way that they experience hurt again and again - until they have found a way out of the circles.
Sometimes victims become offenders themselves - but I have never noticed the slightest glimpse of this with Michael. I found with Michael what may be recognized at very special persons: that hurt and sorrow turns them into lucent light personalities with unlimited levels of sageness and a not to be specified yet for everyone remarkable aura.

This is a mystery of life and of personal growth that everything is being repeated again and again until it is finally resolved.

I believe Michael found a good way out of his burdens which were many.

by phoenix Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:46 am

just_friend wrote:Sweetie, my Bday is October, 9!!!!

this is sooo cool i never met anyone who has BDay on same day :-)

by phoenix Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:47 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
phoenix wrote:
just_friend wrote:Phoenix, 6 days younger is October, 9?
I am Libra too))))

yep! and to be libra is the best thing ever (lol i dont want to offend other zodiac signs )
Lol NO WAY!! Aquarius is the best sign ever - we're unique misunderstood geniuses and we're independent and a bit crazy - it's the perfect mix lol

LOL okay yours is ALMOST as good as my lol!

by GirlSaturday Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:52 am

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Indeed Michael carried a huge weight on his shoulders regarding expectations. One of the beautiful things that I recall as a child, ( only 2 years younger than MJ) was being able to take such pride in the fact that someone who looked like me could be doing so much more than what was expected.

Lorrie wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:Could Michael Jackson have been a victim of so much traumatic physical/mental/sexual abuse, as a child, that he developed another alter personality? Sybil or The Three Faces of Eve type?

Well, anything is possible, GirlSaturday, but I don't think this is the case for Michael.

Without delivering a lengthy monologue, let me just say that you have to walk in his or similar shoes to understand how his life could have such divergent and polar-opposite extremes.

Michael was a phenomenally talented black (although any non-predominant race/ethnicity could have the same impact) male entertainer who broke so many boundaries and accomplished so many unexpected things at such an early age it's not even funny. People who haven't been in the same situation can't even begin to fathom the unspoken things (translation: derogatory stereotypes) and resulting insidious crap he had to put up with on a regular basis, not to mention the normal things and crap that all achievers must endure.

I believe that by necessity, Michael had a public self (for business/professional purposes), a semi-private self (to protect himself from those with ulterior motives and that he revealed to "friends" and other acquaintances), and a private self (the "REAL" Michael), as many people do. It's just that the uniqueness of his situation heightened that whole separation. I don't think anybody really, REALLY knew the inner Michael, something I can relate to personally. But he definitely wasn't a Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde-type person, in my opinion -- his life was just compartmentalized by necessity and through no fault of his own.

by GirlSaturday Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:54 am

Really. I have met and befriended two people. One shared the same day and year. We were similiar in personality too. We would refer to one another as "twin".

phoenix wrote:
just_friend wrote:Sweetie, my Bday is October, 9!!!!

this is sooo cool i never met anyone who has BDay on same day :-)

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