NEW UNNOTICED EVIDENCE IN THIS IS IT

First off the link between the LightMan and The song THIS IS IT. "I'm the light of the World I feel Grand". But still no purpose for entering as a LightMan... Unless he has come to enlighten us. Second the pose for the Dancers in WBSS at the end. They suggest Rodin, the great sculptor's work. Every pose has a meaning. Look for it. But I mention it because of the particular dancer on the far right. He is in shadow un-bathed by the stage lights in a particular pose. It is that of a Victorious Warrior, a hidden victorious one, that is. Come to attention in the Jam segment of the Cadence where a shattering glass is heard. Michael takes his right hand to the chest on top of his HEART. At the same time, his dancers lower their heads as in a mournful stance. Immediately after, you hear the melody of Another Part of Me's beginning (Resurrection). And the dancers raise their heads to continue the song Jam. Comes to my attention that Smooth Criminal sequence where Michael Jackson plays Ballin Mundson in Gilda. In the movie, Mundson fakes his death. Excerpts from "Dead Reckoning" "The BIG SLEEP" and Dr. Clitterhouse are used for this segment. Dr. Clitterhouse is a scientist who "commits murder for the sake of science, a "justified" cause. (Dr. Murray, maybe?). In Thriller Michael incorporates a new sequence which deviates a bit from the original concept. The Spider. A black widow. I'll continue with my findings later.

Great findings! I love all these meanings we're uncovering little by little. I'll be going to watch the movie for the first time on Friday, so I'll be on the look out for many clues myself.

Great findings!!

keep going keep going

This is really great...keep it coming. I think you have a fresh perspective and that will be really good to get us all back on track!!!!!

splendid work keep it up . also ever since i heard the this it it song i've been struck by these words '' this is it, here i stand, i'm the light of the world, i feel grand''. and also '' this is it. like i said, im the light of your world, run away, we can feel, this is real''. ya i don't know,, there's something about those lines that just talks to me.

First off the link between the LightMan and The song THIS IS IT. "I'm
the light of the World I feel Grand". But still no purpose for entering
as a LightMan... Unless he has come to enlighten us. Second the pose
for the Dancers in WBSS at the end. They suggest Rodin, the great
sculptor's work. Every pose has a meaning. Look for it. But I mention
it because of the particular dancer on the far right. He is in shadow
un-bathed by the stage lights in a particular pose. It is that of a
Victorious Warrior, a hidden victorious one, that is. Come to attention
in the Jam segment of the Cadence where a shattering glass is heard.
Michael takes his right hand to the chest on top of his HEART. At the
same time, his dancers lower their heads as in a mournful stance.
Immediately after, you hear the melody of Another Part of Me's
beginning (Resurrection). And the dancers raise their heads to continue
the song Jam. Comes to my attention that Smooth Criminal sequence where
Michael Jackson plays Ballin Mundson in Gilda. In the movie, Mundson
fakes his death. Excerpts from "Dead Reckoning" "The BIG SLEEP" and Dr.
Clitterhouse are used for this segment. Dr. Clitterhouse is a scientist
who "commits murder for the sake of science, a "justified" cause. (Dr.
Murray, maybe?). In Thriller Michael incorporates a new sequence which
deviates a bit from the original concept. The Spider. A black widow. In
certain parts of the Amazon lies a spider that plays dead when in
danger. It expels an odor which attracts its attackers and then the
spider kills and eats its prey. Also, black widows have a sand clock
shape on their backs. Back in the concert MJ jumps out of the spider,
meaning that maybe he needs more time to come back. Also when mating,
black widows kill the male spiders with only a few escaping death. This
could also be its meaning.
Earth Song. The little girl playing on the forest. She has feathers on
her head, a "Free Willy" T-Shirt, a skirt and strange symbols on her
forehead. Some tribes in Africa and the Amazon paint their foreheads
like that when at war. She plays with a Monarch Butterfly in reference
to Michael being The King of Pop. She waves goodbye to it and then a
bunch of butterflies come swirling around her. She then falls asleep on
a (guess what) Forest-Lawn with little white flowers (same as the ones
on top of MJ's casket). The little Monarch Butterfly remains with her
although she waved goodbye to it earlier. Both the girl and later
Michael are threatened by the huge bulldozer (linking a connection
between them). To me she represents Michael not being dead because she
later appears at the ending of the movie. In the original Earth Song
Video things are restored and both the elephant and the boy who was
shot resurrect. This was because they kneel to the ground humbled
before God, and God restored the World (1 Chronicles 7:14). This effect
is also present on the movie for a few seconds. The girl scrubs around
the little tree digging the earth like in the video. There is a rumble
when she looks upon the bulldozer. There was a rumble on the video
before things where restored by God. This explains why she was still
alive at the end.

And then there is the real movie ending with Michael's words. I'll breathe and come in on my own time.

Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.

Excellent job on finding that!!!!! When I went to see "THIS IS IT" I was only able to find a few clues since it was so hard to find them all.

Woah great points, thank you!!
Looking forward to seeing them ovie again to see what I can find too.

All I can say now is there is more, a lot more to come... Let's say I have an acquaintance of mine who is a P.I. and is helping me to investigate these signs. This person confirmed to me that after analyzing the video there is a movement specifically on the shoulder of the "body" that makes this not dead theory more credible. We are still investigating. One more thing. We saw this movie on the 28. On that very same day my friend said to me: If they don't prosecute Dr. Murray on the next 2 weeks you can be assured that MJ is alive. No homicide investigation takes this long. And it's not possible that this man has not been officially charged. Also if you remember the coroner's report, there was only one officer from the Coroner's Office. By law there has to be at least SEVEN police officers on the press conference. When asked about that at the Coroner's Office they declined to comment.

wow these are some really good findings! I'm hopefully going to see TII a fourth time this week so I will really try and keep an eye out for some clues.

@THEVICTORIOUSWARRIOR that is so cool you have a P.I to help you investigate! very helpful when someone in the know is able to point out legal wrongdoings, like the stuff with the coroners office.

Wow-thank you very much for the post...I personally never look that far in "meanings" because it seems everyone has a differant perspective-but this was really interesting and I really liked the links to God restoring the earth because He is the only one who can...also VERY interested in you and you r P.I.s findings.

Interesting. I guess I will have to go see the movie for the 4th time.......

WOW VICTORIOUSWARRIOR, marvelous thoughts and interpretations on TII Movie.


And thanks for the enlightenment of not possible that this man has not been officially charged. Also if you remember the coroner's report, there was only one officer from the Coroner's Office. By law there has to be at least SEVEN police officers on the press conference.

All these clues and meaning sound so outragious but even the outragious can be true. I saw the movie yesterday. I don't know, they sure went out of their way for all the outfits and backgrounds for the rehersals. I can see them doing some but honestly, was all this supposed to be for all those concerts because they look more like a movie set in motion to me. It just seemed a little strange to me.

I notice the free willy shirt and the butterfly..very interesting posts...

THEVICTORIOUSWARRIOR wrote:All I can say now is there is more, a lot more to come... Let's say I have an acquaintance of mine who is a P.I. and is helping me to investigate these signs. This person confirmed to me that after analyzing the video there is a movement specifically on the shoulder of the "body" that makes this not dead theory more credible. We are still investigating. One more thing. We saw this movie on the 28. On that very same day my friend said to me: If they don't prosecute Dr. Murray on the next 2 weeks you can be assured that MJ is alive. No homicide investigation takes this long. And it's not possible that this man has not been officially charged. Also if you remember the coroner's report, there was only one officer from the Coroner's Office. By law there has to be at least SEVEN police officers on the press conference. When asked about that at the Coroner's Office they declined to comment.

Thank you so much for these clues. I really need every little thing that can give me hope lately. And I have no idea about the American law. Thank you so much for letting us know.

Hi everyone!

My first post on this forum
Great findings about the girl! I left wondering about her importance, which obviously was in a great role on the movie.
When I saw her holding the globe and "heal the world" written above her head I couldn´t stop thinking about propaganda videos, but in a good way
That was THE evidence for me that proved that TII is NOT made for money by AEG or someone else. The movie has a strong message and no way Kenny Ortega could´ve made that after the supposed death of the King Of Pop. MJ pulls the strings, that´s for sure.

Going to see the movie again this weekend

L.O.V.E.

Victoriouswarrior I am amazed at what you discovered. I have seen the movie 3 times and I am so dazzled by MJ it is hard to see anything else. I'll try harder next time I go. I did see Tohme Tohme listed as MJ's advisor. And I did wonder what "Lightman" had to do with anything at the begining.
" I'll breathe and come in on my own time." This I did catch and it stayed firmly in my mind.
Thank you and I hope to hear more from you and your PI friend.

Great job, very interesting indeed

Maybe it's just nothing, maybe just coincidence, but did anyone notice the new slogan from Sony? It says Make.Believe, and is released in sept from this year.
I saw the commercial yesterday before the movie started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_6Nal9oAdE

''Believe that anything you can imagine, you can make real''

hello everyone,
i saw the movie and, i loved it, i laughed a lot, and i cryed at the end, when the little girl appeared alive, but i cryed with a big smile on my face and applauding.
thanks thevictoriouswarrior for your post. it was really interesting.
what i liked in the movie was the smooth criminal piece and earth song piece.
in earth song he sang the demo for earth song, which was called 'what about us'..but i wonder why he always said at every end of a verse 'what about death'? and at the very end says 'what about me'???
this is odd, because in the original lyrics at the very end he says' what about death again'????

i'm sorry i think i am rambling here..
does that makes sence??

oh and smooth criminal??...we all know that he loved old movies, he used something from the 60's in the original video, or short film smooth criminal.
but my only opinion is that these pieces are the most important clues.
oh and thriller???...i wonder at the vincent prize part, because there were other lyrics...and i think those parts were from the song 'threatened'??

help..

THEVICTORIOUSWARRIOR wrote:First off the link between the LightMan and The song THIS IS IT. "I'm the light of the World I feel Grand". But still no purpose for entering as a LightMan... Unless he has come to enlighten us. Second the pose for the Dancers in WBSS at the end. They suggest Rodin, the great sculptor's work. Every pose has a meaning. Look for it. But I mention it because of the particular dancer on the far right. He is in shadow un-bathed by the stage lights in a particular pose. It is that of a Victorious Warrior, a hidden victorious one, that is. Come to attention in the Jam segment of the Cadence where a shattering glass is heard. Michael takes his right hand to the chest on top of his HEART. At the same time, his dancers lower their heads as in a mournful stance. Immediately after, you hear the melody of Another Part of Me's beginning (Resurrection). And the dancers raise their heads to continue the song Jam. Comes to my attention that Smooth Criminal sequence where Michael Jackson plays Ballin Mundson in Gilda. In the movie, Mundson fakes his death. Excerpts from "Dead Reckoning" "The BIG SLEEP" and Dr. Clitterhouse are used for this segment. Dr. Clitterhouse is a scientist who "commits murder for the sake of science, a "justified" cause. (Dr. Murray, maybe?). In Thriller Michael incorporates a new sequence which deviates a bit from the original concept. The Spider. A black widow. I'll continue with my findings later.

Amazing findings!! I especially like the victorious warrior pose you noticed by the dancer who was out of the spotlight. Very interesting.

We noted the Gilda Mundson clue the day after the movie came out which solidifed the entire hoax death thing for me.

I pointed out on MJHD (before it went down ) that the black widow spider in the Thriller sequence would have to do with Vincent Price and his narration on Alice Coopers song Devils Food/Black Widow. It all connects together. A tribute perhaps. Or maybe some hidden meaning..

watch:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfTX6dw3pRI
"If I may put forward a slice of personal philosophy, I feel that Man has ruled this world as a stumbling, demented child-king long enough! And as his empire crumbles, my precious Black Widow shall rise as his most fitting successor!... These words he speaks are true, We're all humanary stew, If we don't pledge allegiance to.... The Black Widow"

Hi Victorious Warrior - Thanks for sharing . I was loosing hope, and asking for some sign to appear and tell me whether to keep hope or to let drop - maybe that was you. You have chosen Victorious Warrior as a pseudo, and for fun, and for myself, I decided that "the L.O.V.E." was meaning "the Lord Of Victorious Escape".

Anyway, it was good to read your analysis and I feel better now.
I'm a theories lover, and I liked yours very much.
What I specially liked to read, though, was what you P.I. friend told about Murray.
If Murray had stollen a car, he would already be in prison.

thank you Melzy777.
i appreciate it.

AlexaMicke wrote:thank you Melzy777.
i appreciate it.

To answer your other question. The extra lyrics are from when MJ and VP were rehearsing in the studio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRdS6mO6xfI

As I said the movies referenced for Smooth Criminal are "Dead Reckoning, Gilda, THE BIG SLEEP and Dr. Clitterhouse". Hint: Search the wiki pages of each one of these movies and draw your own conclusions the titles alone tells you that much.

That last part of the Earth Song was taken from the Dangerous Special Edition and it is an early demo for the song. That verse says "what about death again do we give a damn"? referring to the second death the bible states. He wants us so badly to change our ways, his message is "change the man so you can change the world" Remember 2 Chronicles 7:14 if we humble before God and change our ways He'll heal our world... There is no other way. "Oh they... the government will do it, they... they who? It starts with us" He has a very important message remember?

Also, I don't believe that MJ referring to the 4 years left has anything to do with 2012. Research it, I know he has. "If we don't fix this problem it won't be irreversible". Why fix something that's gonna end in 2012 anyway? Think about it. LOL!!!

The Vincent Price part was the Second Verse that never came out on the Thriller album. Michael stated years ago that he didn't like the final cut of the album and went to tears over it. They had a deadline to finish the album and even Beat it was a longer version. Look for Beat it Extended on the internet, sounds wayy cool!!!

I don't know about the Illuminati theory but I read someplace that Threatened was a message to them. Also the Black or White and Smooth Criminal videos plus They don't care about us tells us that much. There are hidden messages in there. Not subliminal. It is called Visual Arts ande everything that appears there happens for a reason. Michael has been doing these things in his videos since Billi Jean, Leave Me Alone and so forth. And the Geraldo Rivera Interview makes me wonder if the movie he was talking about was This is it. He wanted to "innovate" film. My understanding is that he wanted to take film to the next level by using the visual arts medium as a means of indirect expression. Pay attention to every word he says in the movie, the dancers stances and anything unusual that stands out. Sometimes it is very subtle.

Wow, you're so great! You find things I never would, hehe

I saw the movie for 5 times and the song I'LL BE THERE? I think that MJ changes the words he sings, I'M HERE, have you noticed, you or I trompe.puis in the last imge Film (photo of feet mf) means laughter.

I never noticed that he sang I'll be here. In the version I watched he sang I'll be there.... and the laughter?? Some other ppl told the same thing, but I didn't notice that o.O

okay, I saw the credits again of the spanish version..,and there was the laughter you were talking about. I heard it now

Have you an explanation/meaning for the moment he talks about burning his jacket on the stage ?
And what about the penguin move ?

Penguin move? Could it signify the wriggling in the helecoptor?

yspadda wrote:Have you an explanation/meaning for the moment he talks about burning his jacket on the stage ?
And what about the penguin move ?

Still looking for that meaning. I remember George Michael burning his infamous "Faith" Jacket in one of his concerts and I wondered if it meant he wanted to leave that behind or something. MJ said let it burn then let the lights go out.

I still have a ton of my collective findings regarding the movie, the investigation, the funeral, memorial, the voicemails and his "Black List.

I'd like those who support the Illuminati theory to bring forward evidence that links the music industry executives to the Illuminati. But it is a possibility I won't deny it. I am doing my homework here and I'd like us to work harder for the truth to come out.

Many a time Michael Jackson was prejudiced and scrutinized by the media and people who were after his money. He had this great talent and it was totally unfair. I saw the news that fatal day and something didn't fit with me. I hope with all my heart that he is alive and well.

These are the pictures I was referring to before. Jam with his hand on the heart. And those poses referring to the Great Sculptor Rodin. There is a very important, hidden message in those poses. The Victorious Hidden Warrior refers to the Greek god Apollo (Far right).

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http://groundshaking.blogspot.com/2009/06/burning-dust-jacket.html

Thank you MJHunny. You can be mine too. HAHAHA. Thanks a lot for that. You know that makes absolute sense with the I Want You Back segment. THE EAR piece: Quote from: http://groundshaking.blogspot.com/2009/06/burning-dust-jacket.html

"People constantly have earbuds, or "seashells" in their ears, and
because of this are fed a never ending tidalwave of of the
government-controlled media's perspective. They connect with their
"family" via the TV's and because of this have little interaction with
people face to face".

He is against the control system the government is trying to establish.

and this quote

Society - critical thinking + total media = mindless, thoughtless, numb creatures.

Then perhaps Michael wants to cause a "boost" in our minds with all this. A boost into our critical thinking, negating the media's credibility.

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yspadda wrote:Have you an explanation/meaning for the moment he talks about burning his jacket on the stage ?
And what about the penguin move ?

Still looking for that meaning. I remember George Michael burning his infamous "Faith" Jacket in one of his concerts and I wondered if it meant he wanted to leave that behind or something. MJ said let it burn then let the lights go out.



could it be a reference to the pepsi advert that came out when michael died...just a thought...i remember seeing the video from somebody at mjhd but dont have the link sorry

Read the above post from MJHunny. It will blow your mind.

ok been a bit since i saw TII, anyone care to refresh my memory?
what jacket did he have on when he said this?

lightman eh?

http://www.fox.com/lietome/

Very interesting. Thank you. I can't thank you enough. Please share more.