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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:06 am

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Disclaimer : All the following thoughts are pure speculation and do not reside on any kind of facts. They are simple assumptions and would work only in the event of a hoax (movie/comeback theory or DEA collaboration theory).

Let's look at the timeline of the year :
After the 2005 trials, Michael relocated to Bahrain and Ireland, and came back in the US to live in Las Vegas – he relocated to Los Angeles in January 2009 to be “closer to Hollywood and show-business” according to ET! Online.
The “This it Tour” was announced in London in March 09 – a string of 50 concerts starting July 8th and ending in March 2010. The concerts were pushed back to July 13th – as I can recall, there were no official reasons, just rumours flying here and there, some saying he pushed back the concerts because he was ill/weak, some say it was because they needed more time to rehearse. Dancers were picked during a three-day audition process in Los Angeles, in May 09 (around the 20th), about a month and a half away from the beginning of the tour.
OK, now that we've read that… What is massively illogical with this picture ?
So Michael bothered to relocate, move and rent a home in LA (and a pricey one) for only 6 months – but not only that, he even bothered to rehearse in LA when the whole set was going to take place in London in a one-year span ? I know AEG owns the Staples Center, but they also own the 02 arena ; surely they must have had the option of a rehearsal venue in London – from what I can gather, they weren't even going to ship the stage decors rehearsed with, they were going to replicate them.
Well, isn't that unpractical and unnecessary, really ?

I don't know if Michael rehearsed alone starting from January – are there reports on that ?
The dancers, however, were recruited only a month and a half before the actual concerts - I know they're pros, but for a Michael Jackson show announced as “an extraordinary breath-taking comeback tour” , surely, that sounds mightily short, no ?
I mean, even Britney Spears and her team of dancers rehearsed for three months, and having seen her “Circus” tour, I can say they're nowhere near as gruelling as Michael Jackson's concerts, especially the choreographies.

IMHO, I never thought the concerts would happen – it just didn't seem like they were set to happen. I remember hearing the announcement and said “Yeah, it's unlikely they'll ever happen.” I didn't think he would die of course, but I thought he might cancel the whole thing.

Now, if Michael, the whole crew and staff had to relocate to London for the concerts – they needed some final rehearsals and technical get-up there beforehand, right ? So, they would have had to relocate there at least a week prior to the concerts to work out all the set-up.

Now, remember ; the concerts were pushed back 5 days. Yeah, because, 5 days are going to make a huge difference ; I don't buy that they postponed them because Madonna was set to perform on July 5th ; they only need a day to rebuild the stage and sound-check it.
Michael died on June 25th, of course, we all remember that.

Why am I bringing this up ? The concerts were delayed 5 days to buy “more time” apparently – the postponing was announced on May 20th, so when the dancers were picked.
Makes you go “huh” ?

So, yeah, why am I bringing this up… ?

Because there is NO WAY Michael could have pulled off a death hoax in London.
Imagine the technicalities that would have had to be involved.

Now, Michael was acquainted with Cali's law enforcement – they had the chance to become chummy back in 2003-2005. Remember the Neverland raid ? Sneddon sure tried to pile up the charges on our dear entertainer (molestation charges, alcohol administration on minors and so on, so on…). However, no charges on the MASSIVE amount of drugs scored illegally when the evidence was right under their noses. Now, either the authorities are the biggest idiots in the entire world or… simple as that, they were corrupt, paid out by MJ.. or MJ offered to collaborate (which would tie in with the DEA sting operation theory).
My point is, Michael needed the LAPD - this death hoax could only have happened in La La Land which authorities he was familiar with and might have had deals with. Second of all – if he had hoaxed his death in London, imagine the complications and technicalities involved. Plus, LAPD has a reputation for being a compliant, dirty police with a history of corruption and fakes. No way he could have involved London's authorities and the legalties around the bringing back of a dead body from Europe to the USA could have posed a problem, if there was no body at all. Also, the investigation of the death would have been far more complicated to do abroad - for the police, for the insurance, the travel insurance, the bringing of the body back, for the lenght of the whole process, for EVERYTHING. Hoaxing a death needs to be done QUICKLY, I assume. That would also mean trying to get airports and customs on board ? No way that was feasible : Michael had to stay LOCAL ; how hard would it be to involve international authorities !

I'm thinking too that, if Michael hoaxed his death, the date had to be carefully chosen in order to arrange everyone who was in on it – nothing could have been left out, everything and everyone had to be ready.

Now, say the LAPD/LAFD is in on the hoax – paid out or in collaboration. Michael could have offered good money to mobilise the sources mobilised on that day (911 dispatcher, EMTs and vehicles)… so they agreed on that but under CONDITIONS : that Michael's “death” wouldn't be an emergency or prioritized… remember that there were NO SIRENS BLARING ?
And remember the picture of the arrival at the UCLA Center ?
Here's a refresher :
From LA to London - Dates & Conveniences Ambulance-arrives-at-hospital-with-michael-jackson


OK, I'm sorry but there does not seem to be THAT MUCH of a rush there. They seem pretty casual (especially Murray who supposedly CPRed all the way into the hospital) actually and a lot of people pointed out that there was NO IV DRIP, and that the stretcher was ELEVATED.
Well, maybe those were part of the authorities' conditions : we'll provide you with the showey things, we'll get you the vehicles and the 911 call… but you can't use the actual medical equipment and you can't pass as an emergency, so we can't put the sirens on, we'll have to take our time. ERGO, the absence of rush, medical equipment, elevation of the stretcher, and that damn ambulance driver taking make-or-break time just to back out of an alley. Plus it is my understanding that the paramedics stayed about 30 minutes at the house ? Huh ? I'm sorry but in my experience, they try to revive you for 10-15 minutes then either call it or rush you to the hospital. Then again, reinforcing my theory that they couldn't pass this as an emergency. And TMZ explains that by saying that “they didn't recognize him and tried to put his wig on” ? And WE'RE the crazy ones ?
And of course, the authorities would have had a say on the date of the event.

So our dear Michael postponed the concerts, simple as that.
I just find it awfully coincidental that he died a week before the concerts.

The stories on his health condition still conflict to that day : when Michael moved back to LA, at the exact same time, the tabloids started saying he would die within 6 months. There were reports of “skin cancer” that were refuted by AEG BEFORE MJ's death (”He's in great health” and that's a verbatim quote taken from AEG before MJ died) – the tabloids also speculated that he postponed the concerts because he was ill or getting surgery.
Honestly, if there's no hoax, I don't think it was a murder – it was manslaughter. Simple non-assistance to a person in danger – AEG probably said “Give him whatever he wants, as long as he brings the money in” and they knew they'd still cash in on his death.

Here are my thoughts on the matter, I just think it'd make sense and would explain the whole ambulance get-up. I'd love to hear yours !
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:22 am

@Anna
This ties in with everything that I've found and researched so far and the DEA sting op (my preferred theory) and makes sense to me. It's nice to see it all compiled into 1 post lol
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Post by ballongiraf on Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:44 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:@Anna
This ties in with everything that I've found and researched so far and the DEA sting op (my preferred theory) and makes sense to me. It's nice to see it all compiled into 1 post lol

LOL, isnt it nice to know that someone's able to compile things into something that makes sense?
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:56 am

ballongiraf wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:@Anna
This ties in with everything that I've found and researched so far and the DEA sting op (my preferred theory) and makes sense to me. It's nice to see it all compiled into 1 post lol

LOL, isnt it nice to know that someone's able to compile things into something that makes sense?
LOL Hush you Razz
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Post by ballongiraf on Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:59 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
ballongiraf wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:@Anna
This ties in with everything that I've found and researched so far and the DEA sting op (my preferred theory) and makes sense to me. It's nice to see it all compiled into 1 post lol

LOL, isnt it nice to know that someone's able to compile things into something that makes sense?

LOL Hush you Razz

what?

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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:02 am

ballongiraf wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
ballongiraf wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:@Anna
This ties in with everything that I've found and researched so far and the DEA sting op (my preferred theory) and makes sense to me. It's nice to see it all compiled into 1 post lol

LOL, isnt it nice to know that someone's able to compile things into something that makes sense?

LOL Hush you From LA to London - Dates & Conveniences Icon_razz

what? From LA to London - Dates & Conveniences Icon_basketball

You know I'm bad at compiling things into 1 post lol From LA to London - Dates & Conveniences Icon_tongue j/k
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Post by ballongiraf on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:03 am

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
ballongiraf wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
ballongiraf wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:@Anna
This ties in with everything that I've found and researched so far and the DEA sting op (my preferred theory) and makes sense to me. It's nice to see it all compiled into 1 post lol

LOL, isnt it nice to know that someone's able to compile things into something that makes sense?

LOL Hush you From LA to London - Dates & Conveniences Icon_razz

what? From LA to London - Dates & Conveniences Icon_basketball

You know I'm bad at compiling things into 1 post lol From LA to London - Dates & Conveniences Icon_tongue j/k

well yes, someone was whining about that yesterday....
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Post by THE JACKSONOLOGIST on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:10 am

Who posted the DEA theory? I wrote something on that but was there another theory? Id love to read cus I think I missed it.
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Post by beverleyflossy on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:27 am

wish i could put my thoughts down on paper like you can Anna, i cant understand myself sometimes From LA to London - Dates & Conveniences Lol
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Post by jpresley on Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:34 am

This makes sense to me. It would certainly explain all of the weirdness having to do with the paramedics and the non-rush to the hospital. Everytime I waiver in my belief of the hoax, my mind has gone back to that day and the bizarre way in which everything was handled up to and including CM disappearing for a day and the family going in to Michael's house and carting stuff out (and that's not even taking into account all the weirdness of the past 2 months) I'm still trying to wrap my head around how many people (friends/family) were actually in on this and the ultimate goal. Is it simply to punk the media? Does it involve the DEA? Is it all for a movie?! Honestly, I am exhausted from the constant back and forth that my mind does all day every day and into the night. My gut tells me this all goes back to 1993, not the hoax itself but Michael's involvement with drug authorities. IMO, Tom Sneddon would have nailed MJ to the wall for the drugs confiscated at Neverland during that first raid - unless he was prohibited from doing so. The other thing I find increasingly curious is why the media never got ahold of this information before now?! We all knew the details of Michaels degrading strip search and the fact that he was addicted to prescription drugs (I mean, he admitted that on national tv). So, why did we hear all of that, but nothing about what was actually found? Can you just imagine the field day everyone would have had if this info had come out? Why didn't it? Tom Sneddon didn't care what he got Michael on so long as he got him. So why the cover up?
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Post by ballongiraf on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:11 am

jpresley wrote:This makes sense to me. It would certainly explain all of the weirdness having to do with the paramedics and the non-rush to the hospital.

i also dont see any other explanation for that. Craig Harvey (from la coroner's office) said in a press conference held when the autopsy was complete (26th june, i assume) that MJ was worked on in the ER and announced death after that = he wasnt DOA (and the DOA box isnt ticked off on the DC). Someone please explain me WHY the paremedics weren't in a hurry to get a critically ill person to the ER as fast as possible? It does not add up in any way......
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Post by nlb on Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:15 am

jpresley wrote: IMO, Tom Sneddon would have nailed MJ to the wall for the drugs confiscated at Neverland during that first raid - unless he was prohibited from doing so. The other thing I find increasingly curious is why the media never got ahold of this information before now?! We all knew the details of Michaels degrading strip search and the fact that he was addicted to prescription drugs (I mean, he admitted that on national tv). So, why did we hear all of that, but nothing about what was actually found? Can you just imagine the field day everyone would have had if this info had come out? Why didn't it? Tom Sneddon didn't care what he got Michael on so long as he got him. So why the cover up?

I found this article awhile ago:

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20293158,00.html


INSIDE STORY: The Neverland Drug Case that Never Was


By Lorenzo Benet
Originally posted Thursday July 23, 2009 10:00 AM EDT



Michael JacksonPhoto by: Danny Moloshok / AP
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At the time, it seemed to be little more than a footnote to the bigger
story – whether or not Michael Jackson had molested a 13-year-old boy.
Much was made of Jackson's possession of pornography and girlie
magazines, and even his alcohol use came into evidence: the King of Pop
filled Diet Coke cans with liquor to hide his drinking from his
children. But as authorities were building a case against Jackson in
2003 and 2004, one aspect of his unusual life didn't come into play:
his prescription drug use.


Police certainly had the evidence. When they searched
Jackson's Neverland ranch in 2003 and 2004, investigators seized
"numerous prescription drug containers in at least four different
names," court papers reveal.

So why didn't prosecutors make a case?

A Lost Opportunity

Laurie
Levenson, a Loyola Law School professor and former federal prosecutor
who followed the Jackson trial, said the prosecutor in the case, Santa
Barbara County District Attorney Thomas Sneddon, only cared about the
drugs in the context of how they might win him a conviction on the
molestation charges.
"It wasn't a drug investigation," Levenson tells
PEOPLE. "It was a lost opportunity for everyone to step in and say this
not a healthy environment in every way."


The question has taken on urgency as authorities are now investigating a manslaughter
case in Jackson's death, searching the offices of Jackson's doctors and
subpoenaing a nutritionist he employed. Sources tell PEOPLE that
federal agents are looking into whether Jackson took a powerful
anesthesia before his death – and if so, how did he get it and who
helped administer it.


Had prosecutors filed drug charges five years ago, they would
have had their work cut out for them.
Jackson did have legitimate
ailments that required medication, and it would have been difficult to
prove that prescriptions in the names of Jackson's employees were
actually intended for him, Levenson says. It also may have distracted
investigators and a jury from the central focus of the trial – the
molestation charges.
Yet Levenson says that, had prosecutors pressed
the matter, they might have been able to compel Jackson to seek medical
help. "Sadly, if they had pursued it, Jackson might not have been in
this situation."


The Trial's Toll on Jackson

"Hindsight is 20-20, but
had they launched an investigation he might be alive today," Anne
Bremner, a former prosecutor and TV legal analyst, tells PEOPLE. "
But
Sneddon might have felt that had they gone after Jackson for the drugs,
it might have been overkill."
(Jackson ultimately was acquitted of the
molestation charges in June 2005).


Requests to interview representatives from the Santa Barbara
County District Attorney's office were referred to Sneddon. Calls to
other county prosecutors who worked on the Jackson case were not
returned.


The trial appeared to take a toll on Jackson physically and
emotionally, featuring the bizarre spectacle of him showing up to court
one morning in pajama bottoms. "On some days," says Bremner, who
covered the trial for six months, "Jackson didn't seem to be all there.
A few times, I felt he was out of it."

Defense Only Dealt with Prosecution Charges

Jackson's
defense attorney for the case, Thomas Mesereau, says he often spoke to
Jackson by phone early in the morning before trial, and "mentally, he
was always lucid and cooperative with me," he tells PEOPLE. "While he
did deteriorate physically during the trial" – he had trouble eating
and sleeping and was extremely worried about his children – "I thought
the cause was this horrific trial and the allegations he was facing and
that he was ultimately acquitted on."


Mesereau says he never saw Jackson take medication. "I had my
own duplex and wasn't with him at Neverland everyday," he says. As for
medication investigators found at Jackson's ranch, Mesereau says
prosecutors never made an issue of it at trial. "I don't recall the
prosecution asking a question about it," he says. "Now alcohol was an
issue in the case but prescription drugs were not.
I was just focused
on what they charged him with."
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