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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:51 am

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~Why do none of these people seem tense or Stressed or SAD??~

~Why does it seem the same type of Atmosphere as Fans Outside of Hotels screaming for Michael?~

~Why were there Fire Trucks to begin with?~

~Why do these people seem like Extras in a Movie?~

~This does not seem right at all!~

~I've never seen this video before~


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Post by Human_nature on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:07 am

"Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day."


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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:08 am

Hmm.. I haven't seen this one before either DC, thanks for posting
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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:09 am

~Like A Scene From A Movie?~

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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:17 am

DreamChild wrote:~Like A Scene From A Movie?~

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They certainly seem very excited, and there doesn't seem to be a real panic. It's like the footage you see if fans outside his hotel chanting and stuff

I remember watching the Jacques Peretti 'The Last Days of Michael Jackson: What Really Happened' docu that came out soon after June 25th and they had some crazy footage filmed by these amateur filmakers of crazy fans wanting to storm the hospital, break in and snatch Michael out but I can't see any of that craziness in this Hollywood TV footage at all which leads me to think that Jacques Peretti's one may be fake or well one of them is odd anyhow
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Post by Sweet1 on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:29 am

I have never seen this Hollywood TV footage either. I believe the media showed the other one with the fans crying uncontrollably outside of UCLA. This footage looked like it could have been staged somehow. The crowd was more calm and controlled. I do recall the media saying the following day at the hospital everything was back to normal. It was as though nothing happened. I thought that was a pretty odd thing to say. There's been so much discrepancy it's difficult to decipher the truth. Keep the Faith!
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Post by Rach on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:35 am

The only footage I have ever seen of fans outside the hospital is pure chaos and people crying and breaking down, as well as singing and dancing to Michael songs later in the evening. I remember staying up until 7am and watching it all. It was so sad.

This is indeed odd. Thanks for posting DreamChild Smile
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:59 am

@sweet1 - exactly, I was surprised to hear that things were back to normal so soon [the next day] after something big like this was supposed to have happened. All I can remember are crying hysterical fans and chaos, nothing ordered or calm like the HTV clip above.
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Post by MiaPaparazzi on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:11 pm

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~Why do none of these people seem tense or Stressed or SAD??~

~Why does it seem the same type of Atmosphere as Fans Outside of Hotels screaming for Michael?~

~Why were there Fire Trucks to begin with?~

~Why do these people seem like Extras in a Movie?~

~This does not seem right at all!~

~I've never seen this video before~


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No it seems weird. Why are they cheering MICHAEL when he is supposed to be "ill or worse"? They act like they are at a concert... IMO, no offense meant to anyone...
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Post by phoenix on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:11 pm

WTH is that? and why is it in HD?
who filmed that and why are ppl screaming "Michael" like he is standing there and doing his peace sign *lol*

it really reminds me on french history- the kind is dead long live the king...
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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:21 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
DreamChild wrote:~Like A Scene From A Movie?~

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They certainly seem very excited, and there doesn't seem to be a real panic. It's like the footage you see if fans outside his hotel chanting and stuff

I remember watching the Jacques Peretti 'The Last Days of Michael Jackson: What Really Happened' docu that came out soon after June 25th and they had some crazy footage filmed by these amateur filmakers of crazy fans wanting to storm the hospital, break in and snatch Michael out but I can't see any of that craziness in this Hollywood TV footage at all which leads me to think that Jacques Peretti's one may be fake or well one of them is odd anyhow


~Oh my!~


~I think that You just made me think something else!!~

~What if this Footage for the documentary was shot DOUBLE?~

~Like they used one set of footage that we saw in the above video~

~And the same Footage in the Documentary?~

~Or something like that?~

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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:24 pm

~In a way~~The people in this video are acting as though they have just heard that Michael Jackson was visiting some Patients at the Hospital~~So they showed up and started screaming his name~~Excited in a HAPPYway~Anticipating seeing Michael~

~Does that sound Weird?~

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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:24 pm

DreamChild wrote:

~Oh my!~

~I think that You just made me think something else!!~

~What if this Footage for the documentary was shot DOUBLE?~

~Like they used one set of footage that we saw in the above video~

~And the same Footage in the Documentary?~

~Or something like that?~

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You are far too shy, don't be afraid to speak your mind ok, it makes it easier after a while lol.
You mean what if they filmed it twice or from 2 different cameras?
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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:29 pm

~Why did the Firemen take Aa stretcher INTO the Hospital?~

~Not to mention that it's Empty?~

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Post by ishealive on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:32 pm

This is very strange, not at all like what we were shown by the media.
Yesterday the burial footage was being questioned and today this.
They were behaving like MJ was in a hotel room or at the hospital alive and well, from watching that video you'd never think MJ apparantely died!
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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:32 pm

By this time, I have to admit, nothing surprisces me anymore. I just found out the thing with the Ambulance video, this can be the same thing, totally fake..

Ill be surprised the day Mike comes back, I might fall over, and nock my head against the floor, wich will put me in deffenate coma lol, but I sure will be surprised. I know this may be of topic, but what I find odd aswell, is that Michaels longtime friend Christian something (cant remember his last name)
Has bought both Neverland and The mansion on Carolwood drive.. Hmmm, Why those excat two places where Michael use to live. Has he made a deal with Mike?? I dont know, I just thought of it
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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:32 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:
DreamChild wrote:

~Oh my!~

~I think that You just made me think something else!!~

~What if this Footage for the documentary was shot DOUBLE?~

~Like they used one set of footage that we saw in the above video~

~And the same Footage in the Documentary?~

~Or something like that?~

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You are far too shy, don't be afraid to speak your mind ok, it makes it easier after a while lol.
You mean what if they filmed it twice or from 2 different cameras?


~Sorry!~

~I think I meant Both!~

~I see a man near the beginning that has a camera that looks like a Movie-type of camera but NOT a television camera at least I don't think it was~

~He's wearing Blue Jeans I think..?~

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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:35 pm

MyBelovedMJ wrote:By this time, I have to admit, nothing surprisces me anymore. I just found out the thing with the Ambulance video, this can be the same thing, totally fake..

Ill be surprised the day Mike comes back, I might fall over, and nock my head against the floor, wich will put me in deffenate coma lol, but I sure will be surprised. I know this may be of topic, but what I find odd aswell, is that Michaels longtime friend Christian something (cant remember his last name)
Has bought both Neverland and The mansion on Carolwood drive.. Hmmm, Why those excat two places where Michael use to live. Has he made a deal with Mike?? I dont know, I just thought of it


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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:38 pm

DreamChild wrote:
MyBelovedMJ wrote:By this time, I have to admit, nothing surprisces me anymore. I just found out the thing with the Ambulance video, this can be the same thing, totally fake..

Ill be surprised the day Mike comes back, I might fall over, and nock my head against the floor, wich will put me in deffenate coma lol, but I sure will be surprised. I know this may be of topic, but what I find odd aswell, is that Michaels longtime friend Christian something (cant remember his last name)
Has bought both Neverland and The mansion on Carolwood drive.. Hmmm, Why those excat two places where Michael use to live. Has he made a deal with Mike?? I dont know, I just thought of it


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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:50 pm

MyBelovedMJ wrote:
DreamChild wrote:
MyBelovedMJ wrote:By this time, I have to admit, nothing surprisces me anymore. I just found out the thing with the Ambulance video, this can be the same thing, totally fake..

Ill be surprised the day Mike comes back, I might fall over, and nock my head against the floor, wich will put me in deffenate coma lol, but I sure will be surprised. I know this may be of topic, but what I find odd aswell, is that Michaels longtime friend Christian something (cant remember his last name)
Has bought both Neverland and The mansion on Carolwood drive.. Hmmm, Why those excat two places where Michael use to live. Has he made a deal with Mike?? I dont know, I just thought of it


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Post by cirque333 on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:05 pm

The video is too strange to be real. I hope we see Michael soon!
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:09 pm

MBMJ - Christian Audigier NEVER bought Neverland - he is moving into the Holby Hills (100 N Carolwood Drive) home but he DID NOT buy Neverland. Ever.
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Post by MichelleMissesMJ on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:14 pm

Remember aswell apparently there was a fire drill when they brought MJ into the hospital and everybody had to leave. I mean coincidence or what? not. also when MJ was supposed to have died, the chef was asked to leave the house. she never seen MJ going into the ambulance, or supposedly dead for that matter, cause she was asked to leave first!! Why?????
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Post by jpresley on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:17 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:MBMJ - Christian Audigier NEVER bought Neverland - he is moving into the Holby Hills (100 N Carolwood Drive) home but he DID NOT buy Neverland. Ever.

THANK YOU for clarifying that. The media keeps repeating that he bought Neverland and that he will open it up once a year in celebration of Michael. WTF?
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:19 pm

Just for clarification - the fire drill was at the cancer patient clinic/hospital next door to the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Centre.
A cancer patient who was there at the time mentioned it [the fire drill evacuation] in her blog and instantly got swarmed by post after post from the Hoax believers which got her very upset so she sent out another blog post to clarify which building had to be evacuated.


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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:24 pm

jpresley wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:MBMJ - Christian Audigier NEVER bought Neverland - he is moving into the Holby Hills (100 N Carolwood Drive) home but he DID NOT buy Neverland. Ever.

THANK YOU for clarifying that. The media keeps repeating that he bought Neverland and that he will open it up once a year in celebration of Michael. WTF?
No worries JP - CA would never be able to buy Neverland anyhow because Michael would never sell it.
I hear CA will move into 100 N Carolwood Drive before/by Christmas this year
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Post by kdkennedy74 on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:29 pm

At about 2:05 what is being thrown through the crowd? It looks like a jacket or something?
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:37 pm

Is it me or does the video seem like someone/something came out/made themself visible which made the crowd happy at around 2:17?
Check it out - the crowd are chanting 'Michael' then at 2:17s they start screaming like you would when the person you are screaming for makes themselves known. Why the sudden euphoria and happiness?


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Post by Minyaweth on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:38 pm

I actually saw this before, and never thought much of it... still don't really...
Here's what I think:

This footage was shot, right after we heard that Michael was rushed to the hospital. There were rumors that he was in a coma, and I just think that the people
outside, chanting out Michael's name do that so Michael knows they are there for them. A sort of support if you would like to call it that...

Just my two cents...

But that doens't mean it can be a part of the hoax ofcourse Wink
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Post by Grace on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:45 pm

Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:MBMJ - Christian Audigier NEVER bought Neverland - he is moving into the Holby Hills (100 N Carolwood Drive) home but he DID NOT buy Neverland. Ever.

Yep, he did. And most likely on agreement with Mike. They were close. And thus Mike could keep control over the house and the ranch and not lose it to third parties.

The source for the purchase of Neverland is AFP, Agence France Press, THE reliable French news agency.

Agence France-Presse
11, 15 place de la Bourse
75002 Paris France
Tel : 01 40 41 46 46
Fax : 01 40 41 46 32
Makes a lot of sense since Audigier is French.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iucp70JBPjsYZe4SRPsLiJR9IQzA

The firetrucks in the video are most likely arriving due to the "fire alarm" that was reported to have happened when Mike was there. Some of the UCLA was being evacuated.

Rumours said there was a jounalist wanting to get close to Mike pulling the alarm off.
Rumours also said there was a woman seeing Mike alive.

And I would just guess: how about getting out of a house by ambulance one time and redoing it a second time. The easiest way to get out. This would explain why the body removed from UCLA looked so much like "air covered with a linen" when brought to the chopper.

Would somebody identify firetruck 71 in this video?

;-)


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Post by Human_nature on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:46 pm

"Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day."


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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:48 pm

~There is a way to "Digitally" remove a Person or an Object from footage~

~Maybe Michael was there~

~And then before they showed this to all of us they "Digitally Erased" Michael?~

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Post by Human_nature on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:49 pm

"Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day."


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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:51 pm

Grace wrote:
Another.Part.Of.Me wrote:MBMJ - Christian Audigier NEVER bought Neverland - he is moving into the Holby Hills (100 N Carolwood Drive) home but he DID NOT buy Neverland. Ever.

Yep, he did.

The source is AFP, Agence France Press, THE reliable French news agency.

Agence France-Presse
11, 15 place de la Bourse
75002 Paris France
Tel : 01 40 41 46 46
Fax : 01 40 41 46 32
Makes a lot of sense since Audigier is French.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iucp70JBPjsYZe4SRPsLiJR9IQzA

ROFL - Now I don't like to be cruel but I will highlight something for you FROM the link you pasted in above - watch and learn my dear:

Keys to Jackson's home handed over in two weeks: Audigier
(AFP) – 5 days ago
PARIS — Christian Audigier, the self-made French fashion mogul close to Michael Jackson who plans to purchase his last home, on Thursday said he expects to have the keys to the Los Angeles mansion in two weeks time.
Audigier however said he had been unable to obtain authorisation to turn the vast house into a museum as hoped, so would instead open it every June on the anniversary of Jackson's death at 50, and organise exhibits and shows.
"I can have the house in one month now," Audigier, who said he is worth 250 million dollars, told AFP in an interview. "I get the keys two weeks from today."
The vast Holmby Hills neighborhood home, believed worth over 30 million dollars, currently belongs to Audigier's associate and the boss of his fashion company Hubert Guez.
Jackson had been "in great shape" in the weeks before his death, added the 51-year-old multi-millionaire.
"He was very skinny but he was a dancer too," he said. "He was very involved with the London concert. What happened was very sad.
"The guy was very happy to come back on stage."
Audigier, in Paris on the day of Jackson's funeral for the French launch of his Los Angeles-based celebrity clothing brands, expressed regrets over missing the burial.
"I miss him," he said. "God bless him."
Few in France would recognise Audigier, but in the United States the designer has become one of the country's hottest exports after his creations turned him into almost an overnight darling of Hollywood's biggest stars.
Madonna, Mariah Carey, Sylvester Stallone, Britney Spears, Puff Daddy and Kanye West are among fans of his flamboyant tattoo-inspired street-wear.

Copyright ©️ 2009 AFP. All rights reserved.


Now - if you don't mind - Did he buy Neverland OR the Holmby Hills 100 North Carolwood Drive Home?

Yes - that's right - Holmby Hills=100 North Carolwood Drive.
AFP may be THE reliable French news agency - BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO READ WHAT THEY SAY.

Christian Audigier bought Holmby Hills NOT Neverland.
I rest my case.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:55 pm

@Human_nature & DreamChild -

What if someone was peeking out of a window which is what drew the cheers? We know Mike used to throw things our of hotel room windows and wave to fans - what if he peeked out of a hospital window seeing as we don't actually see anyone coming in/out of the main door?
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Post by Human_nature on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:59 pm

"Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day."


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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:02 pm

Human_nature wrote:
I don't know...maybe..
But one thing sure, that footage is nothing similar to the others we saw before at UCLA ~or Is It Just Me..?~ Suspect
so...if Mike was there and waving..or anything....
I wonder why nobody told nothing yet ??

But it's very very strange..I really don't know what to think... ~or Is It Just Me..?~ Icon_scratch
I agree - it is crazy and it's making me scratch my head literally ~or Is It Just Me..?~ Icon_scratch
I will agree that it is nothing like the past footage we've seen of that day - it's more like a concert atmosphere and the people are happy and excited NOT panicking about MJ dying.

DC - do we know when this footage was released? What date? That could help us understand it better.
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Post by Human_nature on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:06 pm

"Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day."


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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:12 pm

Thanks Julie -

Hmm... that is very interesting.
So this was directly afterwards almost on the 26 June - it is a very strange atmosphere from the one of panic and sadness that we've been hearing about for the past 2 months. It looks almost joyous and bouyant not sad, depressing, unhappy, in mourning.

And what made those fans so happy I wonder? Why go from chanting to cheering so quickly? I wish I was there right at that moment to see what exactly it was that made them so happy
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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:12 pm

~What about this One?~

~ It made me feel Scared~

~I don't know why but it did~

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Post by Grace on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:16 pm

APOM, would you mind ? thank you.

I apologize to all others for having been in a hurry and just jumping on the article I stored and NOT verifying the 100st time that it was what I thought it would be.

I do not apologize to you, APOM, as I am certainly not your dear and I do not have to learn anything from you or any other person in here.

It's the smell that says where a breeze comes from.
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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:22 pm

~oh,nooo!~


~Why are You fighting??~
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Post by Human_nature on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:23 pm

"Wherever. Whatever. Have a nice day."


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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:23 pm

@Grace -
Are you serious? You came in here - spoke complete BS - and you refuse to accept it.
I'd look at the smell and the breeze coming from your direction if I were you.
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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:24 pm

DreamChild wrote:~oh,nooo!~

~Why are You fighting??~
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Don't worry DC - Grace is that thing we call a troll on here.
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Post by phoenix on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:25 pm

Grace no need to be rude- we have now quite strict forum rules and i gonna warn you only once
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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:33 pm

~Oh Please???~


~Michael could very POSSIBLY be watching us for all we know~

~Do You want him to see all of this ugliness and fighting in a place filled with people claiming to Love him?~


~Please be Friends,again?~

~For Michael?~

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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:36 pm

~This one is really Jumpy and blurry too~

~But there are definitely Children with the same Masks that Paris,Prince and Blanket all wore~

~And the Bright Green Jacket that Michael Wore sometimes~


~And that really IS his Bodyguard~

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Post by Another.Part.Of.Me on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:39 pm

DreamChild wrote:~Oh Please???~

~Michael could very POSSIBLY be watching us for all we know~

~Do You want him to see all of this ugliness and fighting in a place filled with people claiming to Love him?~

~Please be Friends,again?~

~For Michael?~

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DC - sweetheart - there is no need to be so melodramatic. Grace and I were never friends and I daresay we never will be.

The whole world will never all be friends with each other - that is human nature and that is the nature of the world. There will never be a time when everyone in the world will sit together holding hands and singing happy songs. Unfortunately this is how it is - and it doesn't mean it is right - it's just the way it is.
People can't be forced to be friends - but what they can do is make sure they work on and keep the good friends they have.

This is a public forum with members from all over the world - there will always be differences and people who say completely the wrong thing and need to be corrected must and should be corrected. That is the end of it as far as I'm concerned.

Try not to take things to heart so much - even Michael had people he didn't like and who didn't like him - it's human nature.
xoxo
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Post by DreamChild on Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:42 pm

~But He Wishes For It and Believes that it's Possible~



~So do I~


~I'm Sorry If I offended You~


~I just was Hoping that Maybe You might be able to be Friends~

~You have at least ONE thing in common~~You Both Love Michael~


~That's A Start~~Right?~




~I'm Sorry~
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