Re: Sony & The Beatles Catalogue vs. Michael Jackson - IMPORTANT QUESTION

by annieisnotokey Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:06 pm

jade jackson wrote:Y'all are HOT, Smokin' hot. Red Bull. Lots of coffee. That may help delay sleep for a few hours a night. Bill Clinton got by on 4 hours a night, and that has been about my average since June 25th. This Sony thread is making my head spin. What if those rumors are true? My god what Michael had to go through. His genius...his greatest blessing...his greatest curse. Annie, aren't you also working on a general timeline from March 09 to present? I hope you will post it all here. Seriously though, you should make time for sleep 'cause you will stay sharp that way. Things seem to be speeding up again.

I'm working on so many things right now that I may have to quit my job! lol!

by nlb Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:16 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
jade jackson wrote:Y'all are HOT, Smokin' hot. Red Bull. Lots of coffee. That may help delay sleep for a few hours a night. Bill Clinton got by on 4 hours a night, and that has been about my average since June 25th. This Sony thread is making my head spin. What if those rumors are true? My god what Michael had to go through. His genius...his greatest blessing...his greatest curse. Annie, aren't you also working on a general timeline from March 09 to present? I hope you will post it all here. Seriously though, you should make time for sleep 'cause you will stay sharp that way. Things seem to be speeding up again.

I'm working on so many things right now that I may have to quit my job!

Sony & The Beatles Catalogue vs. Michael Jackson - IMPORTANT QUESTION - Page 2 Lol

Maybe the Jacksons can put you on the payroll or claim you as an expense. You can write the true story of the Jackson clan. Sony & The Beatles Catalogue vs. Michael Jackson - IMPORTANT QUESTION - Page 2 Icon_wink

by annieisnotokey Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:18 pm

nlb wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:
I'm working on so many things right now that I may have to quit my job!

Maybe the Jacksons can put you on the payroll or claim you as an expense. You can write the true story of the Jackson clan.

That's a great idea.
I could be an expense that the estate has to pay. Razz

by kdkennedy74 Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:29 pm

Annie if anyone deserves the chance to write for MJ that would definitely be you. I think you are an AMAZING writer. Your stories pull you in and won't let go. I have been mesmerized by your hoax theory!

by mjthelegendlives Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:37 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:Rumors rumors rumors...so I'll let you know in advance.

On another site, the following rumors were discussed:

1) Sony/Tommy Mottolla went charging after MJ once he exposed them in 2001 and created bad PR for them. Reportedly Motola has ties to organized crime.
2)They felt he had too muuch power/influence over an entire industry as the owner of the catalogues and that the bad people involved would not get their fair share of the millions to be earned.
3)They may have instigated the 2003 abuse charges to distract his attention from business and hopefully "break" him. .
4) Dismissal of Tommy by Sony was just a smokescreen to make MJ let his guard down and think that he had won a victory

Who knows...some may be remotely true.

I know it's just rumours, but I read a lot about this lately and it all sounds very possible.

I found this article a few weeks ago. I posted this link in a thread, sorry can't recall which one...I dont know how reliable this site is, though.

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/music_industry_and_the_mafia.htm

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:26 pm

kdkennedy74 wrote:Annie if anyone deserves the chance to write for MJ that would definitely be you. I think you are an AMAZING writer. Your stories pull you in and won't let go. I have been mesmerized by your hoax theory!

Thank you so much! cheers

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:28 pm

mjthelegendlives wrote:
I found this article a few weeks ago. I posted this link in a thread, sorry can't recall which one...I dont know how reliable this site is, though.
http://www.judiciaryreport.com/music_industry_and_the_mafia.htm

Thank you, very interesting read.
I'd like to get my hands on the Vanity Fair article about Tommy Mottola. Suspect

by neverlandprincess Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:41 pm

Hey Annie are you-(no jk) Are you going to post the time line and all on this thread or are you gonna post a new thread? Just want to make sure I see it when you first post it. You are an awesome writer.

by jade jackson Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:16 pm

Annie, I am comforted to know that you carry protection. You will need it if you go digging after Mafia guys. Keep your head low and your hands steady. LOL. but seriously. I know the piece isn't real, but it does make a statement, which is a good thing. Tread cautiously. This stuff is real. And btw, I am NOT a conspiracy theorist, but I do find it very plausible that Sony, Mafia, Motolla, LAPD, etc etc may have conspired to take MJ down and could possibly have created the whole 2003 fiasco. Money and greed are great motivators. Sometimes this hoax investigating is fun, and sometimes it is a little bit too scary.

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:50 pm

jade jackson wrote:Sometimes this hoax investigating is fun, and sometimes it is a little bit too scary.

I agree with you.
The bad thing (for me) is that lately I seem to be leaning more towards the scary bits...

by annieisnotokey Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:52 pm

neverlandprincess wrote:Hey Annie are you-(no jk) Are you going to post the time line and all on this thread or are you gonna post a new thread? Just want to make sure I see it when you first post it. You are an awesome writer.

Probably a new thread.
But it's gonna take me a while.
It's a huge task I'm taking on and -although it seems otherwise- I DO have a real (and busy) life outside this Forum. lol!

by neverlandprincess Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:59 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:
neverlandprincess wrote:Hey Annie are you-(no jk) Are you going to post the time line and all on this thread or are you gonna post a new thread? Just want to make sure I see it when you first post it. You are an awesome writer.

Probably a new thread.
But it's gonna take me a while.
It's a huge task I'm taking on and -although it seems otherwise- I DO have a real (and busy) life outside this Forum.

Haha-I think we all do...believe me so do I!

by justafan Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:23 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:People,

I need your help to tie a few things that I’m working on together. I talked today with a mega music store manager about The Beatles music re.release and it got me thinking about a few things...

Does anybody know how involved was MJ in the decision making concerning his ownership of 50% of “The Beatles” catalogue?

I mean, did he just own the catalogue as an investment or did he have actual saying on what could be done with The Beatles’ songs in terms of re-launches, digitalization, unreleased songs, etc.?

Any information (from the past or recent) you remember / know / can provide me the link to will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

PS: I'm not posting my thoughts yet because I don't want to taint/lead your answers.

FIRST you have to understand that in music there are always two different rights:

1) the rights for the RECORDING owned by the Artist / producer and mostly given to the record company the moment you sign a record deal.

So the RECORDINGS of the Beatles songs do NOT belong to SONY or Michael but to EMI !!!!!!
So definitely MJ was not involved in the licensing of the recordings

2) The rights for the lyrics and Composition which are owned by the composer / writer and taken care of by (in this case were sold to) the PUBLISHER. The publisher gets paid everytime a record is produced in a CD factory, broadcasted on radio, cinema, tv and so on.

BUT once a "work" = composition is released you do not have top ask the publisher for his permission to release a track for a "best of compilation". So SONY ATV / MJ were definitely NOT involved in the Beatles Box Set.

While you have to ask the publisher for permission if you want to use a song for movies or computer games SONY ATV was definitely involved in the licensing for the guitar hero game. But that's just usual business.

to answer your question: NO, MJ was not involved in anything of this

by jade jackson Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:03 pm

I am going to copy related material posted by others onto this thread because it all relates. I hope no one minds.

Subject: Tommy mottlo gatekeeper of michaels unreleased music WTH? Yesterday at 7:28 pm
http://www.veoh.com/videos/yapi-sItXxlQEmMs

ok,so wth is this?tommy mottola is "gatekeeper"of his UNRELEASED music?how did THIS happen?how can Sony be the keepers of his music when in previous article cant remember which thread,it showed that HE managed to keep all the rights to his own music in his catalog?i dont get it,and this is certainly messed up big time
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by jade jackson Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:08 pm

Sorry. The above was researched and posted by marshaleamorgan.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1615178/20090702/jackson_michael.jhtml

Tommy Motolla was talking about these songs exactly one week after Michael "died" The article I just linked is dated July 2nd. Why is he saying he is the gatekeeper unless he has an official role and therefore stands to make money? Why was Motolla being so nice on July 2nd about an artist who had publicly dissed him serverely? Maybe Motolla thinks Michael is dead...maybe it was a hit that failed. That is what I am thinking. No way could those two have patched it up to the extent that Motolla would be so clearly in the picture now and saying so many nice things about Michael.

by jade jackson Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:12 pm

This was posted by doubleo:

Subject: Re: Tommy mottlo gatekeeper of michaels unreleased music WTH?
Money, security tapes and songs disappeared because MJ took them. It makes perfect sense if he had to get away with a limited number of items. These would definitely be items that he'd take. I don't think his head of security would hand over tapes to Murray just because he asked for them. The only one that I can see getting them is MJ.

I am still convinced that he is alive. Don't know how TM fits into "gatekeeping" unless he was moved to another position within Sony

by jade jackson Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:14 pm

This was posted by 4evermichael71

Ok, I've been thinking about this and it's my conclusion..well theory, that Michael would have taken the tapes because they would show he was in fact alive. I believe he took his money, (I think jewelry was mentioned), and his music. Everything he needed he could buy elsewhere so leaving with the shirt on his back only would still make sense. Besides, Janet & LaToya cleaned the place out a couple of days later so I think there's a good possiblity he got whatever else he needed.

I'm not sure how TM fits either, but I still think he'll say whatever fits the moment whether it's true or not. It's about his personal gain now or what he thinks he's entitled to.

by 4evermichael71 Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:29 pm

GirlSaturday wrote:I'm proud of you too.

A visit to the gold pants thread should remove all pressure and make you feel very relaxed.

MyBelovedMJ wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:Breathe and Relax sweetie. Michael was at-risk from a variety of evil-doers throughout his life. He surrounded himself with trusted security who would risk their own lives to save his. IF he were in danger by Sony, Motolla or others, he was wise enough to know it and deal with it accordingly. He is wiser than they are. Believe that.

MyBelovedMJ wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:Rumors rumors rumors...so I'll let you know in advance.

On another site, the following rumors were discussed:

1) Sony/Tommy Mottolla went charging after MJ once he exposed them in 2001 and created bad PR for them. Reportedly Motola has ties to organized crime.
2)They felt he had too muuch power/influence over an entire industry as the owner of the catalogues and that the bad people involved would not get their fair share of the millions to be earned.
3)They may have instigated the 2003 abuse charges to distract his attention from business and hopefully "break" him. .
4) Dismissal of Tommy by Sony was just a smokescreen to make MJ let his guard down and think that he had won a victory

Who knows...some may be remotely true.
annieisnotokey wrote:
mjssoulmate wrote:Could well be the reason he was afraid for his life.

That's one of the things I'm focusing my research on now.

OMG!! He can be in danger!!! That would make sence for him to get away, if someone was threatning him, like they obvious was. Oh, Lord, I hope he is safe now.

Ohh, I do hope so.. The thought of someone wants to harm him, is killing me .. Im haveing a panik attack. OMG!! Ive been able to keep every down I ate today. This is the first time at home, since this thing with Mike, that ive been able to keep my food down under pressure..

Im proud of myself

I think he is WAY smarter than all of them combined and he would have left before he could be harmed.
Concerning the gold pants thread...oh yeah! I love those gold pants :-D

by jade jackson Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:37 pm

mjthelegendlives wrote:
annieisnotokey wrote:
GirlSaturday wrote:Rumors rumors rumors...so I'll let you know in advance.

On another site, the following rumors were discussed:

1) Sony/Tommy Mottolla went charging after MJ once he exposed them in 2001 and created bad PR for them. Reportedly Motola has ties to organized crime.
2)They felt he had too muuch power/influence over an entire industry as the owner of the catalogues and that the bad people involved would not get their fair share of the millions to be earned.
3)They may have instigated the 2003 abuse charges to distract his attention from business and hopefully "break" him. .
4) Dismissal of Tommy by Sony was just a smokescreen to make MJ let his guard down and think that he had won a victory

Who knows...some may be remotely true.

I know it's just rumours, but I read a lot about this lately and it all sounds very possible.

I found this article a few weeks ago. I posted this link in a thread, sorry can't recall which one...I dont know how reliable this site is, though.

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/music_industry_and_the_mafia.htm

by jade jackson Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:37 pm

I really think you all are onto something.

by jade jackson Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:06 pm

http://mjhoax.freeforums.org/the-malnik-s-and-mattola-s-t58.html

The information on the above thread has bounced around from one forum to the other, but I thought it would be helpful to link it again here.

by jade jackson Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:32 pm

annieisnotokey wrote:OMG, look what I found:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2028494.ece

This article is from July 5th, 2007.

Check this paragraph out:
Sony is in talks with Michael Jackson to renegotiate the terms of their music publishing joint-venture, which would allow Sony BMG, the sister company, to sign songwriters for the first time.
A clause in the existing agreement between the Thriller singer and the Japanese electronics giant prevents Sony backing a music publisher to rival their Sony/ATV venture, which has the copyrights to all 252 Beatles songs in its catalogue.
If Sony can persuade its volatile and cash-strapped business partner to relax or even erase the clause as part of the negotiations, that would allow Sony BMG, the recorded music concern, to become a part-competitor.
Sony BMG is desperate to enter the music publishing market because it would help to offset the collapse in recorded music and would allow the record label behind Justin Timberlake and Bob Dylan to sign up songwriters in tandem with acts.

It's clear MJ was a nuisance for Sony and that MJ had input in the way Sony carried out its business.

You are GOOD. I was just looking for this article, because I remembered reading it somewhere, but I didn't have a clue as to where to start, and then boom, you posted it. Thank you so much. I think you are really on to something. Makes sense that they would threaten Michael. It's all about BIG money. I really think Tommy Motolla and his mob guys may have played a major part in creating the necessity for the hoax. I am thinking that it may have started back in 2003 when the molestation charges were brought. That could have been an attempt by Motolla and his gang to destroy Michael. And Michael may have started planning all this as the trial unfolded. These are scary ideas..I would rather it be about a movie or a fun stunt, but I really think that although the hoax may include creative aspects such as the movie, it must have been motivated by something far more sinister. You said on another thread something about collective intelligence...that is why I so depend on people here to keep me balanced. Besides which, you and others know so much more than I do about Michael's history with these people. I am SO depending on Michael to out-think these people, and it seems that that is exactly what he has done. Thanks again.

by ILuvUMoreMJ Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:41 am

I don't know if this interests anyone, but I have a good friend that has been a manager at Sony BMG/ Sony Music in NY for a number of years now...the boss she reports to is some bigwig in LA so she's constantly flying there and back. I've never even thought to ask her anything about this stuff, not to mention if she can get me some cool promo items. Laughing

Anyway, I can't promise she'd know anything, or could even find out anything, but is there anything you guys would like me to ask her?

by 4evermichael71 Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:57 am

Whatever info she has would be great! I wouldn't know where to begin to ask but look forward to anything she has to offer Very Happy

by CantStopLovingU Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:43 am

I looked through all the posts on this thread and didnt see the info I am about to post so here goes, and I believe this is very important.

Michael did not sell 50% of the catalog to Sony he mortgaged it in a sense, meaning that he took a loan against the worth of the 50%. I am not sure when that transaction occured but it was definately before the abuse allegations.

They drew up a contract and there were clauses in the contract that provided stipulations for which the 50% would not have to be returned to Michael even if he had the funds to pay off the "mortgage" - They were moral clauses - and if Michael was found guilty of breaking these moral clauses Sony would then own the 50% outright and would not have to return it to Michael.

I read the wording once, but didnt think to save it, I would have to go back and look for it, but it just so happens that a couple of years later, Michael was accused of molesting Gavin. He was aquitted so they couldn't use that as a breech of the morals clause to keep that 50%. Another part of the clause was if he were to pass away - they would keep it - the Estate could not buy it back.

So it makes alot of sense to me why Michael was afraid for his life. They failed at trying to frame him with the child abuse charges, so the only logical thing they would do next in his mind was to murder him.

Even 50% of that catalog is worth billions. From what I remember reading, Michael made 800 million dollars a year in revenue just from his 50% alone! That is almost a BILLION dollars a year!

by CantStopLovingU Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:45 am

ILuvUMoreMJ wrote:I don't know if this interests anyone, but I have a good friend that has been a manager at Sony BMG/ Sony Music in NY for a number of years now...the boss she reports to is some bigwig in LA so she's constantly flying there and back. I've never even thought to ask her anything about this stuff, not to mention if she can get me some cool promo items. Anyway, I can't promise she'd know anything, or could even find out anything, but is there anything you guys would like me to ask her?

YES! That would be awesome!

You could ask something like, "You know its funny how before Michael passed away, we never heard any Beatles songs in a game, or commercial or anything, and now since he is gone there is Rock Bank and Beatles Beatles Beatles everywhere!"

by ILuvUMoreMJ Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:49 am

Sure I can do that. Smile

I don't have to beat around the bush with her either...I'm sure she'll do some digging if she can. Wink

So if you have some more direct questions, let me know!

by juliet Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:54 am

Sorry guys, I was able to read this topic just now.
My thoughts on this is that to own 50% of the composition rights is a very wise move by Michael. So that means all compositions like the 250 songs written by Lennon and McCarthy and future /in-coming compositions, is such a big thing. For all we know, some of the compositions that they are talking about is of Michael's.

I hope I make sense, do I?

by rag doll Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:02 am

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