Truth about MJs sex life

I know the media is full of it. Here are some articles. I am tripping about the silk robe idea! I mean, can a man not buy a silk robe?! C'mon!
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Truth about Michael Jackson's sex life

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June 30, 2009 01:32pm


DEBATE over Michael Jackson's sexuality raged long before claims he had an inappropriate relationship with boys.
From his childhood lived in a show business hyper-reality, his seeming asexuality while dating sought-after stars, a claimed passionate love affair with wife Lisa-Marie Presley and police raids over his activities with children – his sex life was anything but normal.
His friend of 40 years and biographer J Randy Taraborrelli has detailed Jackson’s bizarre relationships in the days after the King of Pop suddenly died of a suspected cardiac arrest.
Taraborrelli told London’s Daily Mail that even Jackson’s mother worried that he wasn’t much interested in girls when he was a teenager.
Later, when he dated a number of Hollywood stars, the biographer writes that: “No one believed he'd had romances with girls such as Tatum O'Neal or Brooke Shields, no matter how much he insisted he had.
O’Neal told a friend: “How can any girl have a relationship with him? When we're together, he's so shy he hardly says two words.
“I know he's a virgin. I wonder if he's afraid to have sex. He doesn't seem very interested.”
He might have been unsuccessful in building relationships many women, but Jackson prided himself on his closeness with children, saying on a number of occasions that he loved children and that he even had children sleeping in his bed.
This claims took on a much more sinister tone when Jackson was charged and his house searched by police after one child, Jordie Chandler, said that the singer had touched his penis.
During the search, police took away picture of Home Alone star Macaulay Culkin in his underwear along with a series of other similar images.
At the time the New York Post screamed: Peter Pan or Pervert?
It was a question that would continue to haunt the increasingly bizarre-acting star.
Seemingly moments after Jackson’s court case of the child sex claims came to an end – he was never charged – the star met his soul mate, fellow hyper-reality resident Lisa Marie Presely.
Both had been cocooned from the world from a young age, both were mistrustful of strangers and both soon fell in love, Taraborrelli writes.
He and Lisa appeared to have had an active sex life, Taraborrelli claims.
She told a friend that he was 'hot stuff in bed' and 'amazing' - and she should know, the friend added, because 'she's been around'.
But, some of his habits were a little odd.
'The first time, she went to turn on the lights afterwards, and he leapt out of bed and ran into the bathroom so she wouldn't see his body. He emerged 20 minutes later, in full make-up and wearing a silk robe. Then they went at it again.
'He liked her to wear jewellery in bed. They were into role-playing games, although Lisa would never say who was playing what kind of role.'
They were married at a secret ceremony in the Dominican Republic in May 1994, with no family or friends present. Priscilla Presley, Lisa's mother, was furious, convinced that Jackson was using her daughter to improve his image after the Jordie Chandler affair.
But that relationship too, struggled under the weight of their bizarre lifestyle, ending not long after Jackson asked his then wife to have his baby and Lisa-Marie turning him down.
Their physical intimacy had cooled as Jackson pushed to have children.
But Lisa-Marie said: 'I think we have to have sex in order for me to get pregnant,' she told him, 'and I ain't doin' it.'
The one day over breakfast, he told Lisa: 'My friend Debbie said she will have my baby. If you won't do it, then she will.'
Not long after that, the marriage was over.
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Lisa Marie Presley said he was a passionate lover. So what WAS the truth about Jackson's sexuality?



By J Randy Taraborrelli
Last updated at 7:52 AM on 01st July 2009

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They met as children and for 40 years, he was Michael Jackson's confidant. Now, in this deeply personal series, J. Randy Taraborrelli writes exclusively of the Michael Jackson he knew. Yesterday, he told the story of his friend's fall as he witnessed it first hand. Here, he examines Jackson's sexuality, investigating his questionable relationships with children - and providing a fascinating glimpse into a very passionate marriage with Elvis Presley's daughter, Lisa Marie...

Michael Jackson's personal maid dashed into his bedroom in the superstar's mock-Tudor mansion at Neverland, his ranch-cum-children's fairground, and frantically snatched up the sheets, pillows, bedspreads, towels and dirty clothes - anything that might implicate him.


Then she loaded all his make-up, eyeliner, lipstick, creams and gels into a box. 'My job was to hide all the bottles of women's perfumes. Michael only used female fragrances, not male, and I guess someone thought that might look bad.'


This was the night in 1993 when it emerged that Jackson, a global icon, was under investigation for the sexual abuse of 12-year-old Jordie Chandler.

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Jackson with Lisa Marie Presley at an MTV awards ceremony in New York. From their very first date, at a dinner party staged by a mutual friend, the pair hit it off


The police, armed with a search warrant, were on their way to look for evidence. Everything vaguely suspect was to be taken off the property. 'We couldn't get the stuff out fast enough,' the maid recalled.


As stacks of magazines and pictures were thrown into crates, one of the staff held up a photograph and asked: 'Is that Macaulay Culkin in his underwear?' It was.



The picture of the 13-year-old star of Home Alone was boxed, along with a lot of others of children similarly dressed down.



The maid heard a colleague mutter: 'This guy is nuts, isn't he?' The maid herself 'felt bad about the whole thing' - and soon the whole world would, too, as the lid came off Michael Jackson's bizarre private life.


Everyone had known the global superstar was weird. But now, it seemed, he was wicked, too, and in an area he had always claimed to be a total innocent - sex.


Jackson's sexual proclivities had been a matter of speculation since he was a teenager. Even his mother worried that he rarely went out with girls.


The dynamic sex appeal he generated when performing seemed to desert him in the real world with real people.


No one believed he'd had romances with girls such as Tatum O'Neal or Brooke Shields, no matter how much he insisted he had.


Tatum told a friend: 'How can any girl have a relationship with him? When we're together, he's so shy he hardly says two words.


'I know he's a virgin. I wonder if he's afraid to have sex. He doesn't seem very interested.'

What he was interested in, however, and was absolutely open about, was his love of children. He made no secret of his feelings.


'One of my favourite pastimes is being with children,' he explained. 'When I'm tired or bored, children revive me.'


He regularly visited sick youngsters. To the world at large, his interest seemed odd, but not necessarily inappropriate. It was part of the way he seemed to shun the world in favour of a fantasy lifestyle.

Mostly, where Michael's personal life was concerned, people felt a sense of sadness. He was an enigma: perplexing and eccentric, but essentially asexual.
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Jackson with Brooke Shields at a party in 1984. No one believed he'd had romances with girls such as Brooke or Tatum O'Neal, no matter how much he insisted he had



Nothing could have been more surprising, therefore, than his marriage to Elvis Presley's daughter, Lisa Marie Presley, in 1994. From my conversations with both Michael and Lisa, I am convinced this marriage was not a sham. And, according to Lisa herself, Jackson was a wonderful lover. He was, she said, 'very hot' in bed.


But the allegations being fired at him by Jordie Chandler and his family were like a bomb going off. 'Peter Pan or pervert?' asked a headline in the New York Post.


It was a question that would haunt him for the rest of his life.


He was a contradictory figure. From being the youngest who always had to do what he was told, he had taken a firm control of his career and even sacked his father as his manager.


He was now the adult in charge. But in every other area of his life, instead of growing up he seemed to be regressing: buying toys, playing childlike games and, for the first time, surrounding himself with children.


Young fans who gathered at the gates of the Jackson estate in Encino were invited to spend time with him.


Asked about the possibility of having children of his own, he shook his head. He might adopt, but he would not procreate. 'I don't have to bring my own into the world,' he said uneasily.


Instead, he began to develop friendships with young boys.

The first was with Emmanuel Lewis, a 12-year-old actor, just 3ft 4in tall, whom Michael liked to carry in his arms as if he were a toddler.



Scandal: Jackson and Jordie Chandler. His friendship with the youngster would make what Michael did or did not get up to with young boys everyone's business


They played cowboys and indians and rolled on the lawn. He seemed to be trying to live the childhood he believed he had missed because of his career.


Some found nothing wrong in Michael's behaviour. To his voice coach Seth Riggs, he was just a 'natural, loving person' who went gaga over kids.


Others were not so sure. Michael's manager, Frank Dileo, expressed concern after Michael gave a $100,000 Rolls-Royce to the parents of another friend, ten-year-old Jimmy Safechuck. Dileo was worried how the gift might look. Hurt, the singer told him to mind his own business.


His friendship with Jordie Chandler would make what Michael did or did not get up to with young boys everyone's business.


Whatever the truth about Jackson's sexuality, it was clear - to everyone but him - that, in so openly flouting convention and insisting people trust him, he was playing a dangerous game. He and Jordie had met when Jackson's car broke down in Beverly Hills.


The world's biggest-selling pop star, clad in black turban and veil, stood by the road feeling powerless and utterly alone. He normally had servants to solve this kind of problem - but today he'd left them at home.


The boss of a nearby car-hire business saw his plight and came to his aid.


He brought the star back to his office while the car was fixed and then rang his wife, June, urging her to bring Jordie, her son from her first marriage, to meet the VIP customer.


When the boy, dark-haired and bright-eyed, his face lean and angular, arrived, Jackson peered over his sunglasses at him. Jordie, a huge fan of Jackson, smiled - and his idol smiled back.


In the coming months, the star took the boy and his sister to a toy store and let them load $10,000 of toys into their shopping trolleys.


At Neverland, they all rode in a gondola to the highest point of the Ferris wheel and stopped.

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Michael and Lisa Marie during their honeymoon at Euro Disneyland Paris, where they stayed in the Sleeping Beauty Suite


'Do you know how much time I spend up here alone?' Jackson mused, looking out over his 2,000 acres, with a lake, statues inspired by Peter Pan and Disney music emanating from speakers disguised as rocks in flowerbeds. 'I have all this, yet I have nothing.'


'You have us now,' Jordie said, putting his arm round Michael's shoulder. Michael smiled. 'My new little family,' he beamed.


June, Jordie's mother, was happy to go along with this. 'I truly don't think there's a devious bone in Michael's body,' she said.


Nonetheless, she was worried one morning when she caught her son coming out of Jackson's room, where he had spent the night.


'Never do that again, Jordie,' she scolded. Reluctantly, Jordie agreed.


Later, he told Michael about his mother's concern, and the singer took her aside. 'How could you think I would hurt Jordie?' he asked.


He then told her his theory that children were sexually innocent until 'conditioned' by adults to be otherwise. It was his desire, he said, that Jordie remain pure and untouched by the adult world.


Then he quizzed the boy. 'Did Michael ever touch your penis?' he asked. Groggily, Jordie said that Michael had.

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June was appeased. She apologised and said she trusted Jackson. The next day, he gave her a $12,000 ruby-and-diamond bracelet from Cartier. 'It's nothing,' he said. 'I just love you.'


With Jordie, he had a pact to 'never grow up' and 'live with me in Neverland for ever'.

Even Jordie's natural father, dentist Evan Chandler, divorced from June, after initial suspicions about what was going on, was won over.


But as time went by he began to have second thoughts. It bothered him that his son was dressing in black hats and sunglasses, and that he and Jackson were always whispering together, sharing private jokes, then clamming up whenever anyone else entered the room.


One day, he had Jordie in his surgery to extract a troublesome tooth and put him under with the so-called truth drug, sodium amytal.


Then he quizzed the boy. 'Did Michael ever touch your penis?' he asked. Groggily, Jordie said that Michael had.


Chandler took his son to see a psychiatrist. In a gruelling three-hour session, the boy told of many incidents of masturbation and oral sex with Jackson.


Within hours, Jordie was being interviewed by the police, and the allegations of sexual activity between the world's biggest pop star and a 13-year-old boy swiftly flashed around the globe.


To try to calm the storm breaking, Jackson's advisers put up people to speak out on his behalf. The two 'friends' they chose were Brett Barnes and Wade Robson - aged 11 and ten!


Brett admitted that he and Michael had slept together on many occasions, but with no sexual overtones. 'He kisses you like you kiss your mother. It's not unusual for him to hug and nuzzle up to you.'


Wade also slept in the same bed as Michael dozens of times, but 'just as a friend and the bed was huge'.


Doubts were not stilled by their testimonies.



By September 1995, Michael was still pushing Lisa to get pregnant. She, however, was reluctant - sensing that the marriage was doomed


For Jackson, the strain of all this was immense. In pain from his heavy performance schedule and unable to sleep, he began taking increasing doses of painkillers and tranquillisers. He was soon seriously addicted.


To be fair to Michael, as his linen was washed in public and the pressure on him grew, his denials never wavered. The problem, he maintained, was people's dirty minds. 'There's nothing sexual going on. Why can't people just get that?' he said.


When Chandler confronted him, saying 'You and Jordie are having sex, aren't you? Just be a man and f***ing admit it', he stayed composed.


'That's preposterous,' he replied. 'It never happened.'


In the end, there was no police prosecution. Not one witness came forward to corroborate Jordie Chandler's story or to make similar accusations, and without other witnesses the case was weak.


Perhaps Michael had the undying loyalty of the youngsters with whom he'd had sex. Or, maybe, conceivably, he was innocent.


The issues were never aired in court. A civil case against Jackson was settled out of court with a $20million payment to Jordie.


It was not, Jackson's people emphasised, an admission of guilt but simply to draw a line under the whole tawdry affair.


What we do know is that when, 11 years later, in 2005, he stood trial on a series of child molestation charges involving other young boys, he was acquitted on all counts.


In the dark days of his humiliation over the Chandler affair, Michael forged an extraordinary new relationship with Lisa Marie Presley.


From their very first date, at a dinner party staged by a mutual friend, Michael and Lisa hit it off. Raised at her father's impregnable home, Graceland, she had much in common with the world's most famous pop star, cloistered away in Neverland.


Both had been sheltered from the real world, missed out on their childhoods and were mistrustful of outsiders. They believed they were soul mates.


Michael was openly flirtatious, and Lisa was impressed by his private candour and normality. As they talked, she began to feel she was seeing the real Michael, the man behind the mask.


His sexuality, admittedly, still seemed ambiguous, but he was soon kissing her fairly passionately. She was certainly attracted to him. Lisa liked strange guys, with an edge. And who had more of an edge than Michael?


The author, Randy Taraborrelli, with his friend Michael in the 1970s


Throughout the time of his obsession with Jordie Chandler, Jackson dated Lisa intermittently. After he was accused of abusing the boy, he sought her support in long, anguished phone calls.


'Yes, I started falling for him,' she explained. 'I wanted to help him, and I felt that I could.'


As he spiralled into drug addiction, she stood by him.


During one of their phone calls, he wanted to know how she would respond if he asked her to marry him. It could have been a joke but, without missing a beat, she replied: 'I would do it.'


A silence followed until Michael said: 'Hold on, I have to use the bathroom.' When he came back on the line, he acted as if everything was settled. Lisa was his fiance.


'My love for you is real,' he told her. 'Please believe me.'


At Neverland, the two walked hand in hand and then kissed at the top of the Ferris wheel.


She slept with him in his bedroom. For Michael, it was the first time he had experienced such chemistry with a woman, or with anyone.


He seemed unable to contain his laughter. 'I've never known a person like her,' he said.


He and Lisa appear to have had an intense and active sex life. She told a friend that he was 'hot stuff in bed' and 'amazing' - and she should know, the friend added, because 'she's been around'.


Nevertheless, some of his habits were a little odd.
'Michael liked her to wear jewellery in bed. They were into role-playing games, although Lisa would never say who was playing what kind of role.'



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'The first time, she went to turn on the lights afterwards, and he leapt out of bed and ran into the bathroom so she wouldn't see his body. He emerged 20 minutes later, in full make-up and wearing a silk robe. Then they went at it again.


'He liked her to wear jewellery in bed. They were into role-playing games, although Lisa would never say who was playing what kind of role.'


They were married at a secret ceremony in the Dominican Republic in May 1994, with no family or friends present. Priscilla Presley, Lisa's mother, was furious, convinced that Jackson was using her daughter to improve his image after the Jordie Chandler affair.


'Can't you see what he's up to?' she asked. 'It's so obvious.'


In fact, Jackson had an entirely different agenda. The man who had previously been adamant that he had no interest in procreation was desperate to have children.


The Chandler business had hurt him deeply, leaving the gnawing, empty space in his heart more terrifying than ever. He was determined to 'start living', he insisted, falling in love with a woman, marrying and having children of his own. He told me at the time: 'I love Lisa. Why won't people believe that? Why won't people let me be happy?'


When Lisa didn't become immediately pregnant, he expressed his disappointment.


'I thought we'd be expecting within a couple of weeks of making love,' he said. 'Lisa says it takes time, but I don't have time. I want it to happen now. I want children so badly.'


Meanwhile, Lisa was realising that her mission to save Michael was not going to be easy. She was amazed by his emotional repression and felt he was resisting her efforts to help. Perhaps, she pondered, he rather enjoyed wallowing in his own pain, playing the victim.


He was 'like a young boy, angry at the world', one of her friends noted, and his self-pity became a strain on the relationship.


'She had no patience at all with the lost childhood routine. "Who hasn't had a miserable childhood?" she would say.'


His moods and habits became infuriating. She clocked up the hours her husband spent in the bathroom, applying and removing cosmetics.


Throughout their marriage, she never saw him without his make-up. When they slept together, in the morning she'd find his pillow smeared with it.


'Lisa would try to surprise him by waking early and tapping him on the shoulder,' a friend recalled.



'He would shriek "No, don't look!" and scamper to the bathroom.'


Other aspects of his behaviour alarmed her. She did not believe that he was a paedophile, but it concerned her that he had not learned his lesson from the Jordie Chandler affair and still chose to spend time with young boys.


She squirmed as she sat beside him during a television interview, when he was adamant he was going to continue having boys come to his home for sleepovers.


It was after this that things started going bad. One of Lisa's friends said: 'The great sex continued but when they weren't in bed making love, they were fighting. Lisa started to wonder if she'd made a mistake in choosing him as a life partner.'


What finished off the marriage was the issue of children - and it happened, in true Michael Jackson style, in the most bizarre of ways.


He had one grown-up friend, Debbie Rowe. She had been a 'biker chick' in black leather when she was younger, swore like a sailor, drank beer and tequila and, despite having wealthy parents, was always penniless.
'When I imagined having a child with him, all I could ever see was the custody battle nightmare,' she said



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She was the nurse at his dermatologist's, and he had met her ten years earlier when his skin first came out in mysterious blotches and he was certain he had skin cancer.


He had been in touch with her again after he bleached his scrotum with a special cream and it burned him. Debbie attended to him, and to show his gratitude, he gave her a car.


By September 1995, Michael was still pushing Lisa to get pregnant. She, however, was reluctant - sensing that the marriage was doomed.

'When I imagined having a child with him, all I could ever see was the custody battle nightmare,' she said later.


Their physical intimacy had cooled. 'I think we have to have sex in order for me to get pregnant,' she told him, 'and I ain't doin' it.'


But Michael didn't mind. He had a plan. One day over breakfast, he told Lisa: 'My friend Debbie said she will have my baby. If you won't do it, then she will.'


Lisa was stunned. Life with Jackson had been weird from the start, but this was too much. She called his bluff. 'That's fine with me,' she said in a calm, controlled voice. 'Tell her to go ahead and do it.'


Michael got his way. Debbie would bear him two children, though whether they were ever intimate or underwent artificial insemination was never known for sure.


What was without doubt was that there was no future for him and Lisa. It had been the most improbable of marriages and it ended in divorce.


Michael was deeply upset. Never before had he felt uninhibited and physically intimate with anyone.


Despite the maddening friendships with boys and all of the rest of his eccentric behaviour, he was still a human being with emotions, feelings and a beating heart.


And Lisa Marie Presley had been the one to truly touch it.




A lesson in deceit from his philandering father



When they were touring, Marlon Jackson recalled his father, pictured, going off to bed with shapely beauties on both arms


Michael Jackson was never totally the unworldly innocent he liked to portray.


From an early age he had been exposed to sex, and his whole experience of life was shaped by it. But in such a way that it would not be surprising if his take on the subject was strange.


Aged four, he was singing with his elder brothers as the Jackson Five, egged on by their hugely ambitious father, Joseph.


In their early years, the brothers were booked into dives and strip joints.


Nine-year-old Michael watched from the wings as voluptuous women - and the occasional transvestite - stripped naked on stage.


Then he would go home to his mother Katherine, a devout Jehovah's Witness, who imprinted on her sons the belief that lust in thought or deed was sinful.


When they were touring, Marlon recalled his father going off to bed with shapely beauties on both arms and then hearing laughter coming from his room.


No one told their mother what was happening, and the secrecy and deceit led to more unhealthy anxieties for the boy. Michael was even more disturbed when his brothers showed that they had inherited their father's strong and selfish sex drive.


Aged 14, he intercepted a girl named Rhonda Phillips on her way to an after-show assignation with his brother, Jackie. 'Don't go,' Michael pleaded with her.


Rhonda asked why not. 'My brothers don't treat girls too good,' he responded. 'Don't go.'


Rhonda ignored his advice, went to Jackie's room anyway, had sex with him - and was ushered out less than half an hour later, feeling utterly used.


She was walking down to the street when a white Rolls-Royce pulled up. Michael got out and asked if she'd had sex with his brother. 'Yeah,' she answered and began to cry.


'Did he make you do it?' he asked. 'No,' she said. 'I wanted to.' 'You wanted to?' said an astonished Michael. 'But why would you want to?' Michael never followed his brothers' interest in groupies.


Extracted from Michael Jackson: The Magic And The Madness, by J Randy Taraborrelli, published by Pan, £8.99; J. Randy Taraborrelli. To order a copy, call 0845 155 0720.
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I truly believe that this is completely NONE of our business and I would even say that wanting to discuss it is not very friendly.
We are not the gossip toilet here and I personally find the topic to be off-topic completely.

Or would you like us to discuss your sex life?
Sorry, but I feel this is not the right place for such a subject.

Can we please STOP to put Michael under a microscope and judge every millimeter of his life? When I read stuff like this I have the impression that he'd better not come back as even the fans are not respecting him.

No, I wasn't trying to make gossip of it because I know the media likes to add alot of their views in it.

I didn't mean to offend anyone you don't have to read it.

I only typed the name of the article.

No, It is none of my business. It is just something else that they would make this man seem weird because he wore a silk robe!!

You know what?!

The man can wear a fur robe as far as I am concern. I put the article to hear just to show how silly the media is being by saying he is weird for dressing in a silk robe and wearing jewelry. A man can wear a robe. A man can wear jewelry. He can wear silk pajamas doesn't mean something is strange.

He wore rhinestone socks but I know MJ wasn't being a weirdo.

There is articles about his autopsy that of course none of us really want to see that people claim are out there.

Grace wrote:I truly believe that this is completely NONE of our business and I would even say that wanting to discuss it is not very friendly.
We are not the gossip toilet here and I personally find the topic to be off-topic completely.

Or would you like us to discuss your sex life?
Sorry, but I feel this is not the right place for such a subject.

Can we please STOP to put Michael under a microscope and judge every millimeter of his life? When I read stuff like this I have the impression that he'd better not come back as even the fans are not respecting him.

I totally agree. MJ's sex life is none of our business. I didn't even read the article...the headline was enough. I'm not trying to be mean here, so please don't take it that way. Just try to understand that sharing tabloid gossip of this type only helps to perpetuate it. The pages of this community show up in search engine results, so those words are being seen all over the Internet. Providing copies of articles such as these only helps to focus more negative attention on MJ--the kind of attention he never wanted and still does not need. So really it's best not to post them.

A lot of the articles we use in this forum come from tabloids, I´ve posted many from The Mirror, The Sun, TMZ etc. That doesn´t mean we believe them, we either use them in our investigation or we simply discuss them, trying to somehow understand how MJ must have felt like when they were bashing him like this. Even if I understand and agree with you, I don´t think it was OP´s intention to be disrespectful to MJ or his fans or whomever might be offended by this. She says she was trying to make a point and I see the point as being how low the tabloid trash can get. So can we please not make a big deal out of it and cut the girl some slack?

Thank you MJForeverandAlways!

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

MJForever-------------->> Miss Lady!! You got my point!

Geez!!

We post things in here all the time whether we agree with them or not!

My intentions was definitely not to put MJ down okay!! I am sure the man had his good and bad days. We all do!!


Man! You put something out here and folks are ready to stone you like the sadduccees.

LOL!!!

Christiana wrote:Just try to understand that sharing tabloid gossip of this type only helps to perpetuate it. The pages of this community show up in search engine results, so those words are being seen all over the Internet. Providing copies of articles such as these only helps to focus more negative attention on MJ--the kind of attention he never wanted and still does not need. So really it's best not to post them.

100% seconded.
I understand the wish to point out what others make out of MJ but copying and even distributing the words is only multiplying the harm and evil which is the intention of those authors anyway. They know that we would take it like a personal insult and discuss it.

Do not buy those trash papers, just ignore them, do not visit their homesites.
That's the only way to show them that they are not welcome.

I personally prefer to keep my house clean. Which means: don't allow trash to get in it at all.
I keep my eyes and my ears and thus my heart and my brains separated from trash as much as I can. And so I smile over them and have a great time in my precious life without this garbage (and don't even have to get my house in order after I let it in.)
This is indeed very much environmentally healthy to my mind and my personal decision every second of my life.

Harley,

I am on his side.

Besides, there are other posts besides the hoax. I posted this in another forum not in the hoax forum and if I did it again it was accidentally not intended to be included in the hoax post.

Secondly,

What I have noticed is that regardless of wherever you post whether it is related to the hoax or not. It could be general discussion not the hoax it's going to get noticed to be viewed and read.

xXx,

I agree and I definitely wasn't trying to make it out that in anyway. Just stating the point that they are being stupid about some of what they said that's all.

Like I said, the man can wear a fur robe if he wanted to. I sure wasn't planning going to find out what was going on in his bedroom. Just shows that they will do anything to make money and get attention.

For myself, I think that reading the good, the bad and the ugly help one form their own opinions about MJ because somewhere in the middle of it all lies the truth. I am not stating this in specific relative to his sex life just as an overall view on things.

The Taraborelli bio is good but it also has some wrong info. And while the tabloid stuff is full of trash, here and there, there is a smattering of truth. I have found that as I read more and keep in mind where the info is coming from it is helping me make up my mind about things and suss out what is the truth and what is not. just MHO.

Thanks for sharing City.Gal1 .

You are going to get that everywhere I don't care where you go. I don't watch alot of tv and even still there is junk still out there.

"His friend of 40 years and biographer J Randy Taraborrelli has detailed Jackson’s bizarre relationships in the days after the King of Pop suddenly died of a suspected cardiac arrest."

His friend???....When I talk about my personal life with my friends, I don't expect them to write a book about it....
This guy is just doing his job, but in NO way being a friend...!

infinitylady wrote:Harley,

I am on his side.

Besides, there are other posts besides the hoax. I posted this in another forum not in the hoax forum and if I did it again it was accidentally not intended to be included in the hoax post.

Secondly,

What I have noticed is that regardless of wherever you post whether it is related to the hoax or not. It could be general discussion not the hoax it's going to get noticed to be viewed and read.

OK, I am not saying you are not on his side and we all sometimes get carried away with our theories but to be honest even the title of the thread "the truth" about his sex life is inappropiate as no-one at all but Michael and whoever he was intimate with will know that and it is very very private. I would not dream of discussing my sex life and things of a personal nature even with a friend, there are things we need to respect and keep private.
All I am saying is in the future please can we all think twice before we post and ask ourselves if it is appropiate to invade privacy and appear to encourage crap like this from the media.
I am sure many of us on here have seen this crap anyway, die hard fans such as us like to absorb as much as we can regarding our hero but a true fan will probably not even reach the end of the article as it is quite simply tabloid trash and should be completely disregarded.
I do not mean any disrespect to you and is nothing personal as I know we think of all options in our quest for the truth but please can we show a little respect in things of a private nature.
BTW- my Gran is visiting and sat next to me, she says if we wrote about her sex life it would be a blank page!

infinitylady wrote:xXx,

I agree and I definitely wasn't trying to make it out that in anyway. Just stating the point that they are being stupid about some of what they said that's all.

Like I said, the man can wear a fur robe if he wanted to. I sure wasn't planning going to find out what was going on in his bedroom. Just shows that they will do anything to make money and get attention.

I know i agree i was basically saying the media should mind their own business when its something like that and it is stupid

[quoteBTW- my Gran is visiting and sat next to me, she says if we wrote about her sex life it would be a blank page!
][/quote]

That was too funny! I like that!


we call agree to disagree that there are many post on here and many to come that we all are not going to agree with.

infinitylady wrote:[quoteBTW- my Gran is visiting and sat next to me, she says if we wrote about her sex life it would be a blank page!
]

That was too funny! I like that!


we call agree to disagree that there are many post on here and many to come that we all are not going to agree with.[/quote]

Yes, we can agree to disagree but we have to keep a sense of humour eh?
Take care and I know you meant well.

infinitylady wrote:Thanks for sharing City.Gal1 .

You are going to get that everywhere I don't care where you go. I don't watch alot of tv and even still there is junk still out there.

That's exactly what I mean -- one has to sort out things, what makes sense what doesn't. Let's not forget, that as a whole, we are being spoonfed a lot of BS from the media with regard to all things -- political, etc. One has to try to get info from as many sources as possible.

EarthAngel:

The Makeup bit is interesting & running to the bathroom ..... IDK ... but Silk Robe Part - I kinda like that .... (don't ask) ..... & The Bedroom Parts - (blushing hard) ..... & "Hot Stuff in Bed" , "Amazing" .... (Blushing Harder) ... this is a interesting article to read ... leaves you wondering ... But The Media or People don't need to know about this .... That is Michael's Business ...

She says: but the Silk Robe Part- I kinda like....(don't ask) <------- I am almost falling out of my seat over here! Not that I am making fun of you. I can just imagine how you are saying it and I am just tickled. That's all.

Can we talk about PArisite Hilton's sex life ? she seems to plaster her's everywhere and even has a porn to show for it which she seems proud of.


Mj's sex life IS no ones beeswax. I did find the article interesting though...although I feel ashamed now if any of it is true. Lisa says thye had hot sex but yet later when MJ wanted her to be preggers she says "we have to have sex for that and I aint doin it"............so...did they boink or not?

I am so sick of people showing a thirt year old pic of Torbelli and Mj and acting like they were just bosom buddies...am I your friend if I repeat stuff like this? Am I your friend if I repeat embarrassing stuff others have said about you "I think he is afraid of sex". MJ had some serious issues about his looks -he hated how he looked and said it many times-this may have carried on into his very private life. and a "friend" of hers repeated it to a media source. I mean women tell each other all things but this "friend" either sold her out (b/c she never told stuff like this to her interviews-so glad I would dislike her more) or they made it up. Also Debbie Rowe has said that it was after their break up that she offered to have kids with him. Who knows? But it made me sick just skimming through this article.

Now see that is the part that bothers me. Now I know he mentioned somewhere on the tapes that he wanted children by her.

C'mon now! What husband wouldn't want to start a new family of children. A new generation of himself?! Are you kidding me?! He is just being the man who he is.

Man however is who God created to be a part of producing generations.

So, I can understand how he felt. That's sad. It really is so that would make a man feel below his belt...If I am saying it right.

I have read the book therefore I am familiar with the passages that were shared.

Question:
Which is more of a violation within this forum?
1)Pages and pages and more ...pages of pictures showing MJ wearing form-fitting gold pants that leave little to the imagination while he grabs his crotch

OR

2)An excerpt from a book that discusses MJ's love/sex life?

I'll let you guys provide a few responses before I offer mine.
Today's topic class: hypocracy.

neverland,

I don't doubt MJ had issues about how he look.

I mean, he was a nice looking guy. I thought he was definitely handsome in the early 80s and 90s. But unfortunately, I may have thought he was attractive and he didn't.

Honestly, as a wife I wouldn't have put my sex life business out there anyways because that just gave media more ammunition to publicize and make money on it that's all.

Are you trying to say "hit a man below his belt?"- refusing to have your husbands children? If that is what you meant then you are correct I believe.

Neverland, that is what I was trying to say.

Thanks for helping me with that. I was trying to say that.

I am typing a mile a minute at the same time read 4 other emails. LOL!!

Seriously,

I mean, I am not trying to preach but c'mon the man did want a family. He always said he wanted his own family.

infinitylady wrote:neverland,

I don't doubt MJ had issues about how he look.

I mean, he was a nice looking guy. I thought he was definitely handsome in the early 80s and 90s. But unfortunately, I may have thought he was attractive and he didn't.

Honestly, as a wife I wouldn't have put my sex life business out there anyways because that just gave media more ammunition to publicize and make money on it that's all.

I agree with you.
I think all the womans that said the didnt have sex with him, they said that cause the are being respectfull thorts mj, just like you said its nobody's busness.
And all the people who say he is shy when it comes to woman's and stuff like that did you see the live autograph footage off his invincible album???
He was asking a woman's number, and everybody could see it that doesnt sound like a very shy person to me, but talking about it in a interview is other stuff i think I would be SO embaressed myself i know that for sure my head would be like a tomato that red:P even if people ask me such personal stuff im so embaressed

Ohw and BTW he is HUMAN so why would he dont have SEX???

GirlSaturday wrote:I have read the book therefore I am familiar with the passages that were shared.

Question:
Which is more of a violation within this forum?
1)Pages and pages and more ...pages of pictures showing MJ wearing form-fitting gold pants that leave little to the imagination while he grabs his crotch

OR

2)An excerpt from a book that discusses MJ's love/sex life?

I'll let you guys provide a few responses before I offer mine.
Today's topic class: hypocracy.

Nice Girl Saturday!

Well, MJforever even if he was a virgin.

I mean, it's nothing wrong with that either.

I would want to wait to share myself with that the special person who is right for me and to tell you the truth from my experience in life I wish I did wait with all the drama happened in my life cause it sure could've waited.

Many guys who have been virgins get judged of being gay because they are not having sex or not having an interest in women. Now, when i added in the article about that, I remember him talking about the situation about his father's and brother's and how one of the brother's treated the girl. They may have really gave him an outlook on things.

infinitylady wrote:Well, MJforever even if he was a virgin.

I mean, it's nothing wrong with that either.

I would want to wait to share myself with that the special person who is right for me and to tell you the truth from my experience in life I wish I did wait with all the drama happened in my life cause it sure could've waited.

Many guys who have been virgins get judged of being gay because they are not having sex or not having an interest in women. Now, when i added in the article about that, I remember him talking about the situation about his father's and brother's and how one of the brother's treated the girl. They may have really gave him an outlook on things.

Agree with you soo much-men who are virgins ALWAYS get accused of being gay. It is so wrong.

Tell me about and the way the world is today. I would most definitely keep it in the pants.

Pics or it never happened.

neverlandprincess wrote:

infinitylady wrote:Well, MJforever even if he was a virgin.

I mean, it's nothing wrong with that either.

I would want to wait to share myself with that the special person who is right for me and to tell you the truth from my experience in life I wish I did wait with all the drama happened in my life cause it sure could've waited.

Many guys who have been virgins get judged of being gay because they are not having sex or not having an interest in women. Now, when i added in the article about that, I remember him talking about the situation about his father's and brother's and how one of the brother's treated the girl. They may have really gave him an outlook on things.

Agree with you soo much-men who are virgins ALWAYS get accused of being gay. It is so wrong.

I didnt mean everything with it i dont mind if he was/is a virgin i mean if you see how many girls/woman he can get and could get in his younger years, and still beeing a gentleman and ignore all that and not just .... them thats what i love about him (i know it sounds stupid, hope you know a little what i mean)
Im not realy a person who can talk about stuff like this (emotions and private stuff) and if i do it realy comes out of my thoes so here i go:P
I'm 19 and im glad that i can say that im still a virgin and i can say it with pride of you look at the youth these days, and im looking for that special PERSON now i can have sex if i want it but then i would feel so cheap, and used i think i would feel disgusted by myself
All those 15/16 year old little wh*res(sorry for saying)these days and the boys omg i hate it so bad. If the know each other 5 minutes the are well let me say it nice spreadind there legs it's a shame it realy is.

And with Michael, if he had sex or not with those womans it's something private.
It very hard to find a bf these days who doesnt only want one thing and dont have a mj additude , cause it's all abou tsex these days:P
Im very picky when it comes to men And if i like a guy i realy like him, i dont fall in love that easily,
Now i love the way mj handled those thing he didnt say nothing about his sexlife cause its private and it think he is a real gentleman and respect a womans wishes, MAN like that are VERY rare these days at my age.
There is a boy at my school and a lot of girls think he's gay because they asked him did you ever had a girlfriend or do you have one now(he's 18)and he said no, he said i dont have time for that and im not realy looking for it.
I know the guy and i can say hes not gay and it irritates me if people say that hes gay only cause hese not jumping on every girl he sees.
Now hes a very sweet, quite,relaxed guy not a big fashion geek but he's dressed well(his not my type ) but thats the type of guy i like.
Just a down to earth regular guys, But in these times it all about money, getting all the girls you can get, and having(GUCCI-PRADY-D&G and you name it) a lot of clothes.

Oke im sorry for the long post but thats how i feel about the youth these days, I HATE IT, i realy do and im not saying every man or woman it like that so if you feel offended its for a reason, sorry to say it like that
Pfoewh thats off my chest

I'm 19 and im glad that i can say that im still a virgin That is good to hear and believe me, miss lady, Wait! It's worth when its the one that is for you in due season, don't go rushing! I can say I wish I had of done the same and I am 34 year old single mother. No pun intended because I love my son who is now 11 years old and i can say it with pride of you look at the youth these days, Good keep that attitude, you will go along ways with it! and im looking for that special PERSON now i can have sex if i want it but then i would feel so cheap, and used i think i would feel disgusted by myself True, not worth it
All those 15/16 year old little wh*res(sorry for saying)these days and the boys omg i hate it so bad. This is because the parens in the household are not there, if you have the mother or father doing the same thing then look what happens, the children reflect who lead them in most cases. If the know each other 5 minutes the are well let me say it nice spreadind there legs it's a shame it realy is.

And with Michael, if he had sex or not with those womans it's something private. True.
It very hard to find a bf these days who doesnt only want one thing and dont have a mj additude , cause it's all abou tsex these days:P Girl, me and my friend were saying the same thing.
Im very picky when it comes to men And if i like a guy i realy like him, i dont fall in love that easily,
Now i love the way mj handled those thing he didnt say nothing about his sexlife cause its private and it think he is a real gentleman and respect a womans wishes, MAN like that are VERY rare these days at my age. Girl, that is the truth. After watching all of his private home videos and some of the rest of the videos that he did with Jessie Jackson and Steve Harvey on Youtube. Girl, I could just melt. Seeing how through all that he has been through he was a gentlemen and it is very,very rare to find men like this. I have to admit I have just imagined seeing a guy like him step to me and be this way. Girl, I would be like bunk the rest of them I found a rare gem!! LOL!!
There is a boy at my school and a lot of girls think he's gay because they asked him did you ever had a girlfriend or do you have one now(he's 18)and he said no, he said i dont have time for that and im not realy looking for it. That's the guy I am talking about. Sounds like this gentlemen is focus on making things happen real in his life. When he is ready, he will be. Very rare!!!
I know the guy and i can say hes not gay and it irritates me if people say that hes gay only cause hese not jumping on every girl he sees.
Now hes a very sweet, quite,relaxed guy not a big fashion geek but he's dressed well(his not my type ) but thats the type of guy i like. Those are the rare ones girl!!
Just a down to earth regular guys, But in these times it all about money, getting all the girls you can get, and having(GUCCI-PRADY-D&G and you name it) a lot of clothes. Yeah, true. Trust me. I am 34 and have dealt with the drama villains and after awhile, sweetie, you get tired of it.

Oke im sorry for the long post but thats how i feel about the youth these days, I HATE IT, i realy do and im not saying every man or woman it like that so if you feel offended its for a reason, sorry to say it like that MJFOREVER! Girl! You my Alright!! You ain't offended me at all. Tell the truth! It needs to be told!

I have to say MJ just had alot of toxic people in his life even though he had a good heart out of all that he been through. When you have toxic folks if you are not careful can lead you into the path of destruction and that can be anything, your name scandalized, been there! get physically harmed because of someone's else mess!
Pfoewh thats off my chest No need to be ashamed! I am glad to hear it! It makes a smile that you are willing to wait it out! As the old saying goes haste makes waste!

Testify! I have written a book about some parts of my life. It was uncomfortable but if it going to help someone. There are so many beautiful women and handsome young men lives destroyed because of the junk that is being portrayed out there about sex and about life. Everything is superficial and when you get on the other side of the grass you see that you wished you had've waited and listened to the ones who really were there to help!

I am sooo glad that this thread cooled down. I foresaw that a major and unnecessary disagreement was about to start.

Here's my comment... in the event that this comes up again and we find ourselves faced with a simillar scenerio.
Read or delete it as you see fit....

I am about to post a picture of MJ wearing gold pants. It is a rare one that shows an extreme close up of a rip in the groin area of those pants. Who wants to see it?
EVERYONE...!

When WE gaze at the luscious MJ wearing those yummy pants we are not thinking any of the following thoughts:
-I must remember to pick up the kids from school.
-I have to stop by the grocery store for bread.
-Do I need to charge my new shoes or can I pay cash?

Nope! we are gazing and wondering about that man's sexual capabilties and how we would love to have the opportunity to test those capabilitis for ourselves.

Soooo... tell me naughty girls, why do we suddenly become residents of a convent when an exerpt from a book is shared about MJ's sex life?

NO thread should ever be censored unless it becomes too profane or vulger in content. I would like to think that free speech still exists.

Food for thought...

Thanks for sharing your thoughts regarding my comment. Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

This is indeed a diverse group of people. We each come from many different cultures and life experiences. Some are more open while others are less. It is good to know that in the end that we can learn from one another.

Now I am going to the gold pants thread to see if you have ever left any naughty pictures or comments.


Have a great day sweetie!

Harleyblonde wrote:Yes free speech does exist but in this so called civilised society there are matters which unless appropriate should not be discussed openly. Michael never divulged his personal intimate details so what gives us the right? Why should we print tabloid ramblings of some overpaid and thoughtless journalist who would rather be rich and gain profit at the hurt and degradation of others than live a more frugal but honorable existence. I know we may have sensual thoughts at pictures such as the gold pants but that is entirely different than printing, writing about (supposedly!) and posting about someones sex life. I have lived in Africa which is as you will all know classed as third world but they will never ever talk or print things of this nature, nor will you see anything on TV (those that are lucky enough to have one) at any time of night that a child could not watch. They may be poor but are rich in respect. Who is in fact the more civilised? In my opinion threads like this should be locked and deleted.

LMP said the marriage was consumated. I watched her interview on ET 2003, she's answering the question then suddenly the interviewer showed MJ's statement saying "as a gentleman Michael Jackson refuses to comment". LMP looked taken aback. and also with brooke shields she said MJ proposed marriage to her MANY times. So I think it's safe to say that Michael is a heterosexual, regardless of his choice of fabric! And let me add taraborrelli is not his official biographer as he claims to be and his friend..eww complete BS.

GirlSaturday wrote:Thanks for sharing your thoughts regarding my comment. Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

This is indeed a diverse group of people. We each come from many different cultures and life experiences. Some are more open while others are less. It is good to know that in the end that we can learn from one another.

Now I am going to the gold pants thread to see if you have ever left any naughty pictures or comments.


Have a great day sweetie!

Harleyblonde wrote:Yes free speech does exist but in this so called civilised society there are matters which unless appropriate should not be discussed openly. Michael never divulged his personal intimate details so what gives us the right? Why should we print tabloid ramblings of some overpaid and thoughtless journalist who would rather be rich and gain profit at the hurt and degradation of others than live a more frugal but honorable existence. I know we may have sensual thoughts at pictures such as the gold pants but that is entirely different than printing, writing about (supposedly!) and posting about someones sex life. I have lived in Africa which is as you will all know classed as third world but they will never ever talk or print things of this nature, nor will you see anything on TV (those that are lucky enough to have one) at any time of night that a child could not watch. They may be poor but are rich in respect. Who is in fact the more civilised? In my opinion threads like this should be locked and deleted.

I know-I am a prude! Seriously though, I really don't think Michael would like think his fans were discussing topics of this nature about him on the internet-no one would but he was more of a private person than most especially for a guy and we should respect that. I especially think we should be entirely on his side and if all you guys say he wouldn't mind crap like I have read on this thread then clearly you should know him better. We do know he was a gentleman regarding private things so can we not be on his side and share and respect his privacy?

I do not care what MJ did for a sex life. And I think that is not our concern. This is a private matter.

i really do not think this is anybodys business but michaels and should not even be discussed

Yes, I agree with MISSYOUMUCH. If you guys want to talk about sex life, don't use Michael. Gee, what did he do to people to deserve this.

GirlSaturday wrote:I am sooo glad that this thread cooled down. I foresaw that a major and unnecessary disagreement was about to start.

Here's my comment... in the event that this comes up again and we find ourselves faced with a simillar scenerio.
Read or delete it as you see fit....

I am about to post a picture of MJ wearing gold pants. It is a rare one that shows an extreme close up of a rip in the groin area of those pants. Who wants to see it?
EVERYONE...!

When WE gaze at the luscious MJ wearing those yummy pants we are not thinking any of the following thoughts:
-I must remember to pick up the kids from school.
-I have to stop by the grocery store for bread.
-Do I need to charge my new shoes or can I pay cash?

Nope! we are gazing and wondering about that man's sexual capabilties and how we would love to have the opportunity to test those capabilitis for ourselves.

Soooo... tell me naughty girls, why do we suddenly become residents of a convent when an exerpt from a book is shared about MJ's sex life?

NO thread should ever be censored unless it becomes too profane or vulger in content. I would like to think that free speech still exists.

Food for thought...

Well said Girl!!
I didnt delete the thread for a reason. People can talk about what they want and since, like you said , you saw an unnecessary agreement....I did too, but I was waiting to see what happened. If it got bad I would have done something.
Shoot, I read the article and was glued to it. I feel bad that I read it sure, but its over now and Ive moved on.
the person who wrote this should be ashamed because it really is no ones business what MJ does in the bedroom, but we ARE curious are we not? LOL!! I know I was.

And I have seen that lovely ripped gold pants pic!!! Hubba!!

Well if we lock and delete one type of thread, I have a suggestion: Remove all threads of a sexual or suggestive nature. That includes gold pants, leather pants, pajama pants and the newly discovered ...orange pants. Let's wipe this forum clean of any references to MJ's body features i.e. lips, finger, and the ever popular...crotch grabbing ... completely.

Michael Jackson IS a gentleman and deserves to be treated as such. WE should behave as respectful ladies and treat him as a gentleman. He is not a piece of meat or a body part. He should not be reduced to the object of fantasies or the cure for cold lonely winter nights. He is a man who conducts himself with dignity, class and pride. He is a man who spent his entire life avoiding vulgarity and other people's pre-occupation with sexual thoughts as they gazed at pictures or watched him perform onstage. He is much more than his groin.

My point?
If we censor one area then let's not be... selective.

As odd as it may seem to some during my comments within this discussion, I am in total agreement with those who dislike the discussions about MJ's sex life. Surprised you didn't I? I am also one who finds the posting of pictures to stare at his genitals quite disappointing. Surprised you again didn't I?

I may disagree with an opinion or viewpoint BUT that opinion or viewpoint has a right to be voiced.

This has been a good exercise. I am glad that we can come together and share viewpoints in this manner. It is a stress buster as we go along our daily routines and during our efforts to solve the hoax.

Hugs to you all...and thanks for playing along.